Performances of SENA countries in Asia

[Nikhil_cric]

We all talk about performances of Asian countries in SENA. Let us keep track of the records of SENA countries in Asia.

Since 2015 the record is

England :- Won - 4 Lost - 7
NZ :- Won - 3 Lost - 5
Australia : Won- 2 Lost -7
SA : Won -0 Lost -7

Considering that they have played the weakest PAK and SL teams in history and BD being a very weak team in general, why are their records so poor in Asia? Why is it never highlighted how poor they are in unfamiliar conditions when performances are measured? Discuss.

 

[jnaveen1980]

High time they start talking about performances in IBUS countries.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

SA, if they lose this match, are the equivalent of BD in SENA. That's how rubbish they have been.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

SA, if they lose this match, are the equivalent of BD in SENA. That's how rubbish they have been.

That's just depressing.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

That's just depressing.

The decline of SA's test team in the last 4-5 years is shocking.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

The decline of SA's test team in the last 4-5 years is shocking.

You should see the state of our country. Just about everything is in decline... But that's a story for another time.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The decline of SA's test team in the last 4-5 years is shocking.

This is completely false. south africa aren't declining at all. They are rebuilding. They are an elite cricketing nation. They have a world class schooling system for cricket.

nortje rabada ngidi are fantastic bowlers.
They also have some batting talent coming through.

hamza, rudi second (old but gold), malaan and klaasen is decent.

They need to blood them in slowly. They are still a strong side. Saffers are never going to decline. Very proud cricketing nation.

Don't forget bosch looks like a good prospect too. linde has an excellent first class record. It's a rebuilding phase. It will take some time but they will get there. India is just on another level now. India are better than GRAEME Smith's saffers comfortably and that is hard to accept for some people. Unortunately that's the truth. This indian side makes other formidable teams look bad. I guarantee you this pace attack of saffers would beat many other nations easily especially in SENA countries.

 

[Mesozoic]

SENA teams don't really care much about their record in Asia. But we Asian fans (and teams) always give too much importance to SENA record for some reason.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This is completely false. south africa aren't declining at all. They are rebuilding. They are an elite cricketing nation. They have a world class schooling system for cricket.

nortje rabada ngidi are fantastic bowlers.
They also have some batting talent coming through.

hamza, rudi second (old but gold), malaan and klaasen is decent.

They need to blood them in slowly. They are still a strong side. Saffers are never going to decline. Very proud cricketing nation.

Don't forget bosch looks like a good prospect too. linde has an excellent first class record. It's a rebuilding phase. It will take some time but they will get there. India is just on another level now. India are better than GRAEME Smith's saffers comfortably and that is hard to accept for some people. Unortunately that's the truth. This indian side makes other formidable teams look bad. I guarantee you this pace attack of saffers would beat many other nations easily especially in SENA countries.

Elite cricketing nation or not, the lack of depth in cricketing talent out has been pointed out by a Saffer journalist , Firdose Moonda, herself. They won in Australia because they still had the likes of AB. If they tour Down Under now, they might get smashed. They have already lost in England and SL of all places.

 

[Hasan123]

Elite cricketing nation or not, the lack of depth in cricketing talent out has been pointed out by a Saffer journalist , Firdose Moonda, herself. They won in Australia because they still had the likes of AB. If they tour Down Under now, they might get smashed. They have already lost in England and SL of all places.

Lol AB didn’t play in Australia in 2016. They won the 1st test with 3 bowlers as Steyn went down with injury.

 

[Ab Fan]

We all talk about performances of Asian countries in SENA. Let us keep track of the records of SENA countries in Asia.

Since 2015 the record is

England :- Won - 4 Lost - 7
NZ :- Won - 3 Lost - 5
Australia : Won- 2 Lost -7
SA : Won -0 Lost -7

Considering that they have played the weakest PAK and SL teams in history and BD being a very weak team in general, why are their records so poor in Asia? Why is it never highlighted how poor they are in unfamiliar conditions when performances are measured? Discuss.

SA were brilliant in Asia between 2007-2014. But then they lost Kallis and Smith, Amla was done, AB didn't play much and Steyn got injured, Philander got exposed then. Now, they are very poor in Asia and decent outside Asia(those two series vs India and Australia changed because of AB's impact). The re-building will take time as a lot of things are going against them currently.

England have good record 4-7, were poor in India though. Overall they are inconsistent, don't have a quality spinner.

Australia were poor outside Australia, let alone inside SC because till 2016, they played some HTBs such as Burns, Voges, Khwaja and we're exposed in that 0-3 defeat in SL. But I think they have the team to beat Sri Lanka and Pakistan in subcontinent for sure.

New Zealand have done better as per their standards and won vs Pakistan and drew vs SL.

I think three teams will come good in SL and Pak as they are weak but SA will need some more time.

 

[The Viper]

Barring Smith and Latham, not much of them play spin that well.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Since 2015 SA is having a nightmare in the subcontinent.

Played 11, W 0, L 8, D 3

2 draws against Bangladesh in 2015 and both those matches were severely rain affected. In one of those tests Bangladesh had an almost match winning first innings lead on a turning pitch despite batting second, the other test didn't see even one completed innings. Another draw in Chinnaswamy the same year on a flat pitch, they were dismissed for 210 on day 1 and India were running away with the match at 80/0 after 22 overs. One can say the rain gods were merciful to the Proteas.

Some of the margins of defeats read: innings and 203, innings and 137, 337 runs, 278 runs, 208 runs, 199 runs.

This entire series they have struggled to even take 10 wickets. Half the Indian dismissals were just before declaration when the batsmen went gung-ho. Even in earlier tests, 20 wickets was an enormous challenge. SA skipper was mostly at the mercy of opponent captain, waiting and pleading for declaration. Some big names in the bowling ranks like Rabada, Steyn, Philander, Maharaj have been rendered completely toothless.

Batting average 18.5, just 3 100s
Bowling average 38, just 3 5fers

These numbers are shocking. It isn't just about this series, SA of last 4 years must be the worst ever visiting team to Asia. What has gone wrong after the highs of 2007-2015? This isn't just a losing record, this is annihilation. Any path to recovery? In the 2020-21 season they have an away series against Pakistan, 2 tests only. What steps must they take to stop this bleeding?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

What a pathetic performance by SA. Indian batters have exposed their trundler brigade. The quality of cricket was vast; like this rare bad performance of Australia vs Pakistan.

 

[Pakhs]

What a pathetic performance by SA. Indian batters have exposed their trundler brigade. The quality of cricket was vast; like this rare bad performance of Australia vs Pakistan.

It was even worst then Pakistan performances in Australia - Atleast Pakistan usually get into winning position in one of the 3 games this SA team was just losing from ball one to last all 3 games.

 

[Mamoon]

SENA teams don't really care much about their record in Asia. But we Asian fans (and teams) always give too much importance to SENA record for some reason.

That is because over the last two decades, Australia, England and South Africa have consistently been very strong sides and have managed to maintain their top teams status in spite of having temporary blips that they manage to recover from quickly.

New Zealand have also been strong in this decade but performances in New Zealand usually don’t matter much because they are not considered as big as India, England, Australia and South Africa.

On the other hand, Asian cricket is only relevant because of India. Pakistan have been the poster boys of mediocrity since the turn of millennium, Sri Lanka never managed to become a top side and have been reduced to near minnow level after the retirement of their senior players, Bangladesh are still poor in Test cricket and Afghanistan is a minnow.

If the likes of Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh were all proper sides like their non-Asian counterparts, Asian sides won’t care much about performing outside Asia just like non-Asian sides don’t really care about performing in Asia (except India).

As things stand, winning or losing in Pakistan/UAE, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have zero relevance for Australia, England, South Africa and even New Zealand. Even if they win in all these said countries but lose India, all the hard work will be undone.

Similarly, you can whitewash Pakistan in the UAE but it won’t mean anything if you follow it up by getting thumped in India.

For a team like India, beating Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh means nothing at all because there is no competition and the gulf in class is huge.

Unless Asian teams except India pick themselves up, Asian players/fans will always care more about performing outside Asia than non-Asian players will care about performing in Asia (except India).

 

[Markhor]

South Africa have some serious structural problems, which isn't helped by a stagnant economy which makes it harder to keep your best players away from the T20 circuit and county cricket. At some point the constant losses of talent to Kolpak was going to tell.

It's sad to see the decline in a country with a fierce sporting pride.

 

[leatherface58]

South Africa have some serious structural problems, which isn't helped by a stagnant economy which makes it harder to keep your best players away from the T20 circuit and county cricket. At some point the constant losses of talent to Kolpak was going to tell.

It's sad to see the decline in a country with a fierce sporting pride.

Also, the obsession with juicing up the home pitches as a home advantage turned out to be a disastrous decision in the long term. No one in the team wants to spend time at the crease even if they look ugly. They were dismissed regularly by Indian pacers in conditions good for batting. No temperament, no technique, no wins.