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its funny how when Pakistan were fielding above aged players no one cared to point them out.

But now Afghanistan is doing it, now we are pointing fingers..

Also if you look at the situation of cricket in the country(be it Pakistan or Afghanistan), there is nothing wrong in my opinion to field over age players in u19 tournaments.

U19 tournaments are just tournaments made so that countries develops young players. No one plays it to win the championship, they play it to unleash new young players
 
its funny how when Pakistan were fielding above aged players no one cared to point them out.

But now Afghanistan is doing it, now we are pointing fingers..

Also if you look at the situation of cricket in the country(be it Pakistan or Afghanistan), there is nothing wrong in my opinion to field over age players in u19 tournaments.

U19 tournaments are just tournaments made so that countries develops young players. No one plays it to win the championship, they play it to unleash new young players

Please give examples.
 
its funny how when Pakistan were fielding above aged players no one cared to point them out.

But now Afghanistan is doing it, now we are pointing fingers..

Also if you look at the situation of cricket in the country(be it Pakistan or Afghanistan), there is nothing wrong in my opinion to field over age players in u19 tournaments.

U19 tournaments are just tournaments made so that countries develops young players. No one plays it to win the championship, they play it to unleash new young players

Read this sentence again and reflect on what exactly you wrote before it.......
 
I am happy with it. Let Afghanistan and other associate nations field little bit overage players but on the other side it is unfair to countries like Ireland where you can't cheat
 
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We can not judge people by their looks. I am in my late 20s but look 19/20. My brother is in his early 20s but looks older.
 
Many of the them are not U19s.... Rashid Latif has openly spoken about it.


ICC doesn't do anything it all depends on the board if they are enforcing any rule.
 
Rohail Nazir is 22-23 year old

It's just not Pakistan or Afghanistan but other teams do it as well.

Zeeshan Malik is on the end side of his 20s.........(27-29)
Nasir Nawaz, the recent u19 captain is above the 20s.

Many of the rawal pindi players who were playing u19 are way over age.

Adnan Mehmood another pindi player who played u19, is well in his 30s.
 
its funny how when Pakistan were fielding above aged players no one cared to point them out.

But now Afghanistan is doing it, now we are pointing fingers..

Also if you look at the situation of cricket in the country(be it Pakistan or Afghanistan), there is nothing wrong in my opinion to field over age players in u19 tournaments.

U19 tournaments are just tournaments made so that countries develops young players. No one plays it to win the championship, they play it to unleash new young players

I strongly disagree.

U19 WC is the name of the tournament. Being u19 is the basic criteria and should be followed. If anyone fields old players, thats dishonesty. And yes everyone plays to win the cup , not just to unleash players.
 
How do you know that?

My friend knows him, they played cricket together. Some other posters have pointed out this as well on Rohail Nazir threads.

Even Rashid Khan is an over-age cricketer, he was a class mate of my friend in Peshawar. If you don't want to believe me then don't. I don't know about others
 
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So Rohail is 7 years older than his stated age? Thats unbelievable.

no its not.


my coach use to gather the players and tell them to start getting their ages reduced to play u19 or u16 cricket........

THere are many tricks to get the age reduced.
 
My friend knows him, they played cricket together. Some other posters have pointed out this as well on Rohail Nazir threads.

Even Rashid Khan is an overage cricketer, he was a class mate of my friend in Peshawar. If you don't want to believe me then don't. I don't know about others

Bro - my friend knows him etc is not a statement of fact.
 
It is unfair to other U19 players.

ICC should take this matter seriously.

(No matter who is fielder older players be it Afganistan, Pakistan etc.)
 
no its not.


my coach use to gather the players and tell them to start getting their ages reduced to play u19 or u16 cricket........

THere are many tricks to get the age reduced.

You mentioned above that an u19 guy is well into his 30s. Thats simply unbelievable. I mean seriously? No one can hide so many years.
 
Bro - my friend knows him etc is not a statement of fact.

I can't do an investigation on him and go to the hospital where he was born to get a birth certificate :))

My friend wouldn't lie for the sake of it.
 
I strongly disagree.

U19 WC is the name of the tournament. Being u19 is the basic criteria and should be followed. If anyone fields old players, thats dishonesty. And yes everyone plays to win the cup , not just to unleash players.

easy to say such things behind a computer.

But you have no idea what the reality is in the country regarding cricket.

The problem in club cricket in Pakistan is that, once you are above the age of 19, you can't enter the professional circle of cricket easily.

Reason being, there arn't any tournaments in pakistan that are for u23, u25, or u30. Once you cross the 19 age, thats it.

Even if there are any u23, u30 tournaments, the first class cricketers get the spots in the teams.

Which is why, reducing your are age and playing u16 and u19 allows you to be entered in to the professional cricketers circle.

You can't blame the players for this. Because they have no other way.

Many players who are playing Pakistan today would had not had played Pakistan had they not done this.

Guys like Nawaz, Shadab, these guys wouldn't have played Pakistan. The reason why these guys are playing Pakistan is because they first entered the cricekting circle through u16 tournaments.

WHen Zeeshan Malik was playing with his real age, he was 19 years old, and the guy couldn't get selected.. Eventually he got his age reduced, got selected in u19 and went on to make a career for himself.
 
I can't do an investigation on him and go to the hospital where he was born to get a birth certificate :))

My friend wouldn't lie for the sake of it.

But you can see the problem. We can only comment about what we see.

The picture in OP does not look like a U19 to the naked eye.
 
Zeeshan Malik is on the end side of his 20s.........(27-29)
Nasir Nawaz, the recent u19 captain is above the 20s.

Many of the rawal pindi players who were playing u19 are way over age.

Adnan Mehmood another pindi player who played u19, is well in his 30s.

Coaches tell them do it.

Rashid Latif has openly talked about overage cricketers in U19 level, he knows more about these kids than all of us.

There is no wrist testing by ICC at all.
 
easy to say such things behind a computer.

But you have no idea what the reality is in the country regarding cricket.

The problem in club cricket in Pakistan is that, once you are above the age of 19, you can't enter the professional circle of cricket easily.

Reason being, there arn't any tournaments in pakistan that are for u23, u25, or u30. Once you cross the 19 age, thats it.

Even if there are any u23, u30 tournaments, the first class cricketers get the spots in the teams.

Which is why, reducing your are age and playing u16 and u19 allows you to be entered in to the professional cricketers circle.

You can't blame the players for this. Because they have no other way.

Many players who are playing Pakistan today would had not had played Pakistan had they not done this.

Guys like Nawaz, Shadab, these guys wouldn't have played Pakistan. The reason why these guys are playing Pakistan is because they first entered the cricekting circle through u16 tournaments.

WHen Zeeshan Malik was playing with his real age, he was 19 years old, and the guy couldn't get selected.. Eventually he got his age reduced, got selected in u19 and went on to make a career for himself.

This makes a lot of sense
 
easy to say such things behind a computer.

But you have no idea what the reality is in the country regarding cricket.

The problem in club cricket in Pakistan is that, once you are above the age of 19, you can't enter the professional circle of cricket easily.

Reason being, there arn't any tournaments in pakistan that are for u23, u25, or u30. Once you cross the 19 age, thats it.

Even if there are any u23, u30 tournaments, the first class cricketers get the spots in the teams.

Which is why, reducing your are age and playing u16 and u19 allows you to be entered in to the professional cricketers circle.

You can't blame the players for this. Because they have no other way.

Many players who are playing Pakistan today would had not had played Pakistan had they not done this.

Guys like Nawaz, Shadab, these guys wouldn't have played Pakistan. The reason why these guys are playing Pakistan is because they first entered the cricekting circle through u16 tournaments.

WHen Zeeshan Malik was playing with his real age, he was 19 years old, and the guy couldn't get selected.. Eventually he got his age reduced, got selected in u19 and went on to make a career for himself.

Still dont see how its right.

Its sad and all but to overcome it by reducing age is still dishonesty.

A harder way, but the correct way would be mobilize all the aspirants and press for tournaments for other age groups. But nobody wants to take that way when corruption is rife and easier dishonest ways exist.
 

now i will tell you the reality of what takes place.

This is the process that i have witnessed here in Pindi.

When you go to u19 and u16 trials, you only bring 1 thing only with you. Your B Form. Also known as bay form in the local dialect.

Now let me explain you the typical Pakistani B form.

The B form is a single form that has all the family members name, date of birth, and id number mentioned.

Now here's the funny part. I could take 1 B form, and play on my brothers name(if my brother is under age). Simple as that.

As for the wrist age verification crap. The doctor doing the test is a local doctor. The Doctor and the regional presidents are all involved. Same party really.

Now if you want to get an age reduction, here are some simple ways.

1) If you have not got your Nadra ID Card(Nadra ID card takes your finger prints. This happens after the age of 18), then you could easily pay a Nadra official with bribe and get your age reduced.

2) Lets say you are above 18 years and have an ID card. You could file some case in court. I'm not sure about this process, but this could be tricky.

3) play on someone elses name on the B form. FOr example, younger brothers name.

4) don't have a B form? still wana play? Get a coach's backing. A coach with power in the region.

Now the guys who get their age reduced, you know the biggest advantage they have got? THey don't have any matric or fsc qualification.
Thing is, when you get your age reduced or anything of such, your degrees get void.
Many of these guys who get their age reduced, have to give up their matric or rare cases fsc degree...
 
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Still dont see how its right.

Its sad and all but to overcome it by reducing age is still dishonesty.

A harder way, but the correct way would be mobilize all the aspirants and press for tournaments for other age groups. But nobody wants to take that way when corruption is rife and easier dishonest ways exist.

lol correct way.

Its easy to point the wrongs and rights on the computer, but you have to look at the ground realities and adopt to them.

Its easy for us to say thats wrong, thats right. But what about that guy who has the talent, but can't get a professional contract only because there arn't any tournaments for his age group.
 
Coaches tell them do it.

Rashid Latif has openly talked about overage cricketers in U19 level, he knows more about these kids than all of us.

There is no wrist testing by ICC at all.

Gul Cricket Club, thats the club i use to play for. ANd the coach their use to tell us time to get age reduced to all the players, when ever the trials were near.

wrist testing does take place. But the person doing wrist testing is a local doctor who is also in the scam along with the regional presidents.

The regional presidents and coaches could get any player cleared and any player removed due to overage issue... If Shakil SHeikh wanted to get his son selected but saw that their are other players who could take his place. The guy could easily get the competitors over aged and removed :)

Sabih Azhar use to scold his u19 guys for not being clean shave on trial day :))
 
lol correct way.

Its easy to point the wrongs and rights on the computer, but you have to look at the ground realities and adopt to them.

Its easy for us to say thats wrong, thats right. But what about that guy who has the talent, but can't get a professional contract only because there arn't any tournaments for his age group.

Nothing you say can make it the right way. Its wrong and will stay wrong. Anyway, you do realize this corruption is one of the reasons why deserving players are kept out. If a couple of deserving players benefit from it, there would be 10 undeserving players who come into the system along with them.
 
It is unfair to other U19 players.

ICC should take this matter seriously.

(No matter who is fielder older players be it Afganistan, Pakistan etc.)

If ICC start acting serious on such matters, many pakistani youngsters today would had not been playing for Pakistan.

Unless ICC forces all its boards to have u23, 25,u30 tournaments in the country for uncapped players(players who haven't played first class or grade 2), ICC shouldn't bother with this.

And getting such tournaments played, i doubt ICC could force this.

I would liek to study the sri lankan cricket structure. I wonder if over their players who are over age have an equal chance or not as their domestic cricket is not region based. Its club based
 
Nothing you say can make it the right way. Its wrong and will stay wrong. Anyway, you do realize this corruption is one of the reasons why deserving players are kept out. If a couple of deserving players benefit from it, there would be 10 undeserving players who come into the system along with them.

like i said, look at the ground realities first........ easy to say whats right and wrong..

Cricket is a poor man's sport in Pakistan. Poor man being, someone with no degree, or someone who could forego his degree to play professional cricket.

An educated person cannot play cricket in Pakistan.

Its one of the reasons why i admire Misbah. The guy ended up playing for Pakistan with such a system in place.

Misbah should not had played for Pakistan. Forget Pakistan, he should not had played first class. The guy never played u19. Yet, he got till international level.

But that is just one case only. Everyone cannot not have a fairytale career.
 
Zeeshan Malik is on the end side of his 20s.........(27-29)
Nasir Nawaz, the recent u19 captain is above the 20s.

Many of the rawal pindi players who were playing u19 are way over age.

Adnan Mehmood another pindi player who played u19, is well in his 30s.

That sounds quite doubtful. To the naked eye, both Rohail and Zeeshan (while he was playing u19) looked the stated age. On the other hand, this player and the wicket-keeper of AFG u19, do not seem to be under the age of 19.
 
Firstly I'm shocked that home board has been made responsible I thought ICC for its designated tournaments World Cup, ICC processes the players documentation themselves.

If someone is making excuse that most of Pakistan players would not have played if there was more strict enforcement. There have been many instances players from U16 and U9 have been dropped or removed from squad due to age issues, most recent example is Moin Khan's son Azam Khan. PCB since NAsim Ashraf has ensured that players undergo relevant tests so not to embarrass the country, ICC treats Pakistan little differently if someone remembers how Shadab Khan was made to give dope test after his performance in ICC match. ICC should'nt selectively treat other nationalities.

When it comes to corruption and other dubious practices Afghanistan is pretty much ahead.

One can easily calculate their age through examining the long bones of the body, or the collar bone. There are techniques available. Its not only third world system issue, South Africa played players for their blind cricket team who were later caught that they did not meet the standard of playing the blind cricket team.
 
i think it's naive to judge someone's age based on their appearance. No one has the right to claim that someone is lying about their age without facts. A lot of people from war torn countries look a lot older than they actually are. It's the ICC or the respective boards responsibility to select only those players for an u19 wc on which it's tested they are below u19.
 
its funny how when Pakistan were fielding above aged players no one cared to point them out.

But now Afghanistan is doing it, now we are pointing fingers..

Also if you look at the situation of cricket in the country(be it Pakistan or Afghanistan), there is nothing wrong in my opinion to field over age players in u19 tournaments.

U19 tournaments are just tournaments made so that countries develops young players. No one plays it to win the championship, they play it to unleash new young players

Breaking or evading the rules is never right whichever way you look at it. Whichever country does that, it will always be wrong. It is a common practice in Pakistan to reduce the age by 1 year, plus in rural and remote areas, kids are given date of birth randomly by "tukka" while in urban areas, some people love to have their children's age reduced. Afghanistan has taken that to a whole new level.
Coming to cricket and u19, it deprives other real under 19 guys a deserving opportunity to represent and develop their game. It is also cheating the system by fielding over age players.
 
Age cheating is disgraceful and there should be no excuses or justifications.Doesn’t matter which country you are from(Pak,Afg,Nepal etc).You are harming the chances of someone who is actually below 19.It is also not fair to the opponents who are playing against others that are more physically and mentally developed than them.
 
I think the Afghans have mistook the under 19 bit as anyone born before the 1999.
 
I like how you all complain regarding age and all.

Always remember one thing, it was because of amir's reduced age that he was tried as a juvenile
 
I'm 26 and I get carded all the time, specially when I'm clean shaven. How old you are and how old you look aren't always the same.
 
I know this used to be a problem while back; lot of players mainly from the subcontinent were not under 19. Other countries/people complained to the ICC so the ICC started doing wrist tests which would give the players age, give or take year or two. Has the ICC stopped doing this?

I don't care what country the players are from, this is an official tournament and all the players should be under 19, no matter what. Some players in other teams don't look U19 to the naked eye but they might as well be U19. However, quite a few Afghanistan are certainly not U19. ICC needs to do tests before the tournament to make sure the players are within the age rage.
 
This guy is a fourteen year old.. easily looks mid 20s. Not everybody ages at the same rate.

 
Dwayne Johnson in his teenage:

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Zeeshan Malik is on the end side of his 20s.........(27-29)
Nasir Nawaz, the recent u19 captain is above the 20s.

Many of the rawal pindi players who were playing u19 are way over age.

Adnan Mehmood another pindi player who played u19, is well in his 30s.

Zeeshan is 27-29 :)))
 
If at all any country is cheating with players ages, what do they get by doing so? Playing aged players against teenagers will not help the country nor the players career.
Sure they can cheat players age and win the tournament. But those players will never succeed against real big guys. Playing lesser competition will never help the players career.
 
Played with some of these guys. Know their friends and all.

You have no idea the age reduction that goes around in this country.

I would have believed you if you said 22-24.... but no way in hell is he 27-29.
 
If at all any country is cheating with players ages, what do they get by doing so? Playing aged players against teenagers will not help the country nor the players career.
Sure they can cheat players age and win the tournament. But those players will never succeed against real big guys. Playing lesser competition will never help the players career.
As an overaged player you will be bigger and stronger and you are right that against the men you will be found out, but from their point of view
At worst case scenario you get seen and noticed by scouts of T20 leagues and hence the reason they do it.
 
The naked eye can be very deceiving. I can pinpoint so many 23-24 year olds who look much older, aged out versus 35-36 years old.

Just look at photos of Imran Khan in early to mid 30's. Looked way better compared to his 20's.
 
We can not judge people by their looks. I am in my late 20s but look 19/20. My brother is in his early 20s but looks older.

The guy in the picture - if he is Under 19, then Shahid Afridi is still 16.

By the way, some of the Pakistan Under 19 squad also do not look 19 or under.
 
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Tariq Stanikzai is 22,5 years old. He isn’t in the team on merit but on a free ticket. He is related to Afghan Board’s CEO, Shafiqullah Stanikzai. I have been told that Andy Moles was very much against his inclusion. But he couldn’t do anything. Same goes with the selectors who does each other favors when needed.

When Andy coached the senior side, he was sacked because he wanted to drop Asghar Stanikzai, the current captain and few other seniors.

Am also being told that Afghanistan lost to Ireland by purpose in order to avoid playing India.

The rest of the Afghans are all around 19 or below, expect Baher who is 20. Baher has been to several trails in his native province Kunar. Done very well each time but been avoided and twice asked for bribe if he wanted to play domestic cricket.

Last year he tried again in neighboring Nangarhar province, where he impressed the local coaches but none of them expected him to be first class material, therefore he was told to resgister underage so that he could get a chance at u19 doesmtic tournaments.
 
I would have believed you if you said 22-24.... but no way in hell is he 27-29.

he is.

you should look at Adnan Mehmood, another player from Rawal pindi who went onto play pakistan u19. I dont know the guys real age, but he looks to be in his 30s. Guys cricinfo age is 24.
 
Last year he tried again in neighboring Nangarhar province, where he impressed the local coaches but none of them expected him to be first class material, therefore he was told to resgister underage so that he could get a chance at u19 doesmtic tournaments.

THis is why pakistani players switch ages...

easy for the others to comment and judge, no one knows the reality.
 
easy to say such things behind a computer.

But you have no idea what the reality is in the country regarding cricket.

The problem in club cricket in Pakistan is that, once you are above the age of 19, you can't enter the professional circle of cricket easily.

Reason being, there arn't any tournaments in pakistan that are for u23, u25, or u30. Once you cross the 19 age, thats it.

Even if there are any u23, u30 tournaments, the first class cricketers get the spots in the teams.

Which is why, reducing your are age and playing u16 and u19 allows you to be entered in to the professional cricketers circle.

You can't blame the players for this. Because they have no other way.

Many players who are playing Pakistan today would had not had played Pakistan had they not done this.

Guys like Nawaz, Shadab, these guys wouldn't have played Pakistan. The reason why these guys are playing Pakistan is because they first entered the cricekting circle through u16 tournaments.

WHen Zeeshan Malik was playing with his real age, he was 19 years old, and the guy couldn't get selected.. Eventually he got his age reduced, got selected in u19 and went on to make a career for himself.

Totally agree with this. Some of the posters saying things like "this is unbelievable" haven't seen what the club/academy scene is like in the country. I've played club cricket in Peshawar and I have seen players reduce their age by 8 years.
 
I once had a Pakistani international player phone me in the middle of the night and ask me how he could reduce his age by a few years in all cricketing records and with the PCB :)
 
I once had a Pakistani international player phone me in the middle of the night and ask me how he could reduce his age by a few years in all cricketing records and with the PCB :)

Hahaha. Wow! Smart fella. I like how you tease us with nuggets like these, and not tell us the name.
 
I once had a Pakistani international player phone me in the middle of the night and ask me how he could reduce his age by a few years in all cricketing records and with the PCB :)

Considering every adult should know that calling someone in the middle of the night is extremely inconsiderate and rude, I'd say the player in question was definitely acting as an adolescent.
 
Considering every adult should know that calling someone in the middle of the night is extremely inconsiderate and rude, I'd say the player in question was definitely acting as an adolescent.

Not for the first time in his career.

He got into some trouble during his career.
 
I once had a Pakistani international player phone me in the middle of the night and ask me how he could reduce his age by a few years in all cricketing records and with the PCB :)

does PCB reduce age for players who are in the senior team?

Because i think Misbah's age on cricketing records is fake, this i deduced as he accidentally did spill his age on one show....

Plus, he would need a strong body to get his age reduced as you wouldn't want the degrees to go to waste.
 
It is unfair to other U19 players.

ICC should take this matter seriously.

(No matter who is fielder older players be it Afganistan, Pakistan etc.)
this.

we have cheated the u19 system too, so this post is hypocritical, still doesn't justify afghanis fielding over 25+ old players. Money is involved in this World Cup
 
Totally agree with this. Some of the posters saying things like "this is unbelievable" haven't seen what the club/academy scene is like in the country. I've played club cricket in Peshawar and I have seen players reduce their age by 8 years.

exactly.

people who have played club cricket in Pakistan, know what takes place. ANd there are good reasons for them aswell.
getting your age reduced by 8-10 years is nothing.
 
does PCB reduce age for players who are in the senior team?

Because i think Misbah's age on cricketing records is fake, this i deduced as he accidentally did spill his age on one show....

Plus, he would need a strong body to get his age reduced as you wouldn't want the degrees to go to waste.

I don't think PCB does, but the players definitely do.
 
Face still looks young. Body can always be built. The maturity in face always gives away the real age.

There is no way anyone can look at that face and say it belongs to a 15 year old.

Like it has been said before, no one has their age written on their face. Lots of people I know look younger/older than they actually are.
 
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