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[PICTURES] Liton Das calls back Ish Sodhi after he was Mankaded

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In the second ODI between Bangladesh and the New Zealand, in the 46th over of the latter's innings, hosts' bowler Hasan Mahmud removed the bails at the non-striker's end with Ish Sodhi backing up too far. Though it was out, umpire Marais Erasmus sent it upstairs for the third umpire. Sodhi even started applauding sarcastically and started walking. But then, Bangladesh captain Litton Das talked with Erasmus and called back Sodhi. The two involved - Sodhi and Mahmud - t6hen hugged it out.
 
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In the second ODI between Bangladesh and the New Zealand, in the 46th over of the latter's innings, hosts' bowler Hasan Mahmud removed the bails at the non-striker's end with Ish Sodhi backing up too far. Though it was out, umpire Marais Erasmus sent it upstairs for the third umpire. Sodhi even started applauding sarcastically and started walking. But then, Bangladesh captain Litton Das talked with Erasmus and called back Sodhi. The two involved - Sodhi and Mahmud - t6hen hugged it out.
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That’s absolutely disgraceful send him packing it’s cheating.
 
MenInG said:
Lovely scenes but was it the right decision by BD captain?

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Liton really made the right call. But it's about time ICC looks to alter this rule someway. Every now and then we see mankad. Its pretty distasteful (depending upon the context of the game).

But all is perfectly within the laws of game. So nothing unethical or illegal. Just my opinion that it should be altered in some way.
 
Why? Sure you win hearts but why would you call back a batsmen for a legitimate dismissal? I have yet to see a captain calling back someone for catch/bowled/lbw/stumping/runout or even hitwicket. This is quite silly that this specific rule is frowned upon when utilized
 
Was the hugging necessary or was it just a dramatic stunt by the Bangladeshi team?
 
Is there any other situation in cricket where a batsman can be dismissed without the bowl being bowled?


Why can't ICC be smart about it and employ the thousands of cameras in the ground. If the non striker is backing up too far just consider it a short run and disallow the strike change. For someone to be runout the bowl has to be in play, the initiation of which is the bowler releasing the ball.
 
Too much stigma associated with this form of dismissal. Doubt anyone will be brave enough to try it in the World Cup. Ashwin did it in a random IPL group match 2 years ago but never attempted it in internationals or even future IPL games, players know the possible backlash. Which is a shame because rules must take precedence over imaginary spirit of cricket.

But because it is so much in news nowadays I think batsman are taking extra precautions to stay behind the crease during delivery stride, less chance of stealing runs in recent times.
 
Syed1 said:
Is there any other situation in cricket where a batsman can be dismissed without the bowl being bowled?
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Timed out. If next batsman doesn't come to the pitch within 3 minutes of previous dismissal, he/she is timed out, a very rare form of dismissal.

Sometimes if injured batsmen are required to bat (and that injury limits their movement, example calf or hamstring tear), they come out of the dressing room or dugout earlier and sit close to the boundary ropes. To minimize the time required to get to the pitch and be ready for play when a wicket falls.
 
He was out of the crease 99% of the times when a seamer bowled. So i say it is Bangladesh's stupidity to take it back. I feel for the bowler. When a guy is out of the crease 99 out of 100 times you run him out. You don't reward him.
 
Syed1 said:
Is there any other situation in cricket where a batsman can be dismissed without the bowl being bowled?


Why can't ICC be smart about it and employ the thousands of cameras in the ground. If the non striker is backing up too far just consider it a short run and disallow the strike change. For someone to be runout the bowl has to be in play, the initiation of which is the bowler releasing the ball.
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Yes, timed out.

Runout has nothing to do with the ball being bowled, main idea is to punish batsmen from stealing yards.
 
Some interesting takes on this from the players:


Tamim Iqbal:

"I don't see anything wrong in it,"

"The rule is there. If we get someone out, or one of us gets out in that manner, I don't think we should react the way people are reacting nowadays.

"I think it is a team decision, we will definitely talk about it after today's incident. If it is a team decision that we will take wickets in this way, we will. If we don't want to take it, we will not try it. I don't think it looks good to bring back a batter after getting him out. Either we take it, or we don't do it."

"I think he [Sodhi] also shouldn't have done that [left the crease early], he shouldn't be surprised too,"

"Whether we take it or not, it is the team's call. I was surprised by his reaction. It is now part of cricket.

"There's no need for a warning here. It is like a bowled out. Maybe the captain felt that we wouldn't take that wicket. So he called him [Sodhi] back. There's no right and wrong. Either you do it, or you don't do it. Nothing wrong with either. I think we should discuss as a team if we want to do it or not. Going forward, I think you will see a lot of teams taking advantage of this."


Ish Sodhi:

"I am not a very good batter but it was a nice gesture,"

"I would do the same thing as a bowler. I have played under some great captains for New Zealand in the past few years. I think they would have done the same thing. I think Litton Das was exceptional in the way he handled it. I hugged the bowler and gave Litton a bit of a handshake. We all respect the game of cricket very highly and really endeavour to keep the spirit intact.

"I think I was out by such a small fraction, it caught me off guard," he said. "I come from a bit of an old cloth when you give the batter a warning. I understand it is not the rules at the moment."

"I probably wouldn't throw a Mankad [running out the non-striker backing up] out there. I understand that it is part of the rules of the game now. You've seen it all over the world. It is a bit of a controversial issue.

"They could have easily let me walk off. They showed huge sportsmanship out there today. We are fortunate to be on the winning side but it is important to keep the spirit of the game alive, especially when we are playing such competitive cricket to win games for our country."
 
What a beautiful gesture it was from Bangladesh, Ashwin and Fazalhaq Faqooqi should learn some gaming ethics lessons from them.
 
Not a fan of this spirit of the game type of thing anymore for this specific rule.

I think teams need to flip the way they think about this and normalize the Makand. Non strikers need to understand that by stepping out of the crease before the bowler has bowled a ball puts the bowling team at a disadvantage by essentially 'cheating' (even if not intentioned). In this respect the bowler should have every right to Makand.
 
In a meaningless bilateral, this spirit of the game stuff is fine. I wonder if Das would have done the same thing in a crucial WC match.
I'm sure we will see some heated makand's in India this WC
 
First of all why do so many have a problem with this rule?

This Mankand "against the spirit" stuff needs to stop.

The reason why I think this rule is great is the following:

When a bowlers lands even a little bit ahead of the crease line, its a no-ball, free-hit. When a bowler bowls a full toss that is even just a little bit about waist height, then its a no-ball, free-hit.

Similarly, a batsman needs to also be accountable for staying behind crease at delivery, otherwise its unfair and that is where the "spirit of the game" is broken.
 
And also:

So now you can just negotiate who and who not to bring back after a batsman is dismissed in a completely legal way??

That needs to sorted out, otherwise it could turn out to be yet another rule that ruins a major cricket match.
 
I think a warning should be given first. If batter does it again, running him out is okay.
 
If the batsman speeds out of the crease and is not in the picture before the bowler reaches the crease then sure, run him out.

But starting your runup with the intention to mankad for being 0.1 cm out of your crease is a cheap and stupid method of getting someone out. It's legal yes, but weak.
 
Not sure why this is even an issue. The batter gets an unfair advantage with close run outs. In that case why do they appeal for stumping - ite only half an inch right?? Big deal? The more bowlers do it the more batters will stay put. Just hoping somebody does it in the indo-pak WC game. A Pak bowler doing it to an Indian batter would be best. Indians can't complain as Ashwin is the lead advocate for it. Will help in removing the stigma
 
Imran Khan called back Kris Srikanth after he was dubiously ruled out LBW. I already had huge respect for Imran and this incident reinforced his image.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think a warning should be given first. If batter does it again, running him out is okay.
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He did that 24 out of 25 times when the pacers bowled. When the spinners bowled he was a bit more careful. So he was tactically doing that. Basically consciously cheating lol This spirit of sportsmanship can easily be exploited by opposition knowing fully well you have taken a stance you will look foolish if you go against that.
 
deltexas said:
Not sure why this is even an issue. The batter gets an unfair advantage with close run outs. In that case why do they appeal for stumping - ite only half an inch right?? Big deal? The more bowlers do it the more batters will stay put. Just hoping somebody does it in the indo-pak WC game. A Pak bowler doing it to an Indian batter would be best. Indians can't complain as Ashwin is the lead advocate for it. Will help in removing the stigma
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Let India lose the WC final this way and mankad will be made illegal in a heartbeat. Ashwin will change his stance as if it never happened
 
So even more funny thing was that Ish Sodhi was caught behind but didnt walk so bangladesh had to use drs to get him out eventually. See thats exactly why this spirit of cricket is nonsense. If India lose a final by being stupid - they deserve it. It's a law of the game .
 
ABdV's comments on this incident:

“Something that is irritating me at the moment is the rule of the run out when the batter is leaving the crease. Ish Sodhi was called back by the captain and I think, this is a little all over the place. I looked at the footage. If I get bowled, the captain can't feel sorry for me and call me back. Right? So, why would this rule allow the batters to be called back?”

“Where I am going with this is, I want the ICC to bring it into the rule that you can't call batters back. Make it a fair dismissal. There are too many grey areas. When you leave grey areas, it can be really sore on the eyes for the fans, and I find it really irritating and hurtful towards the game.”

“My advice would be, take the rule away that you can't call a batter back. If a bowler wants to run the batter out, take the dismissal off the rule book. If you are caught on the boundary, you are out. These are the rules of the game. You can't say, ''ah, he is my friend, call him back'. I don't see this as sportsmanship, I'm sorry. It's a fair dismissal, it's out. Walk off the field,”
 
The ICC Anti-Corruption Unit should look into this matter to make sure that there is no fishy things going on the behind.
 
MenInG said:
ABdV's comments on this incident:

“Something that is irritating me at the moment is the rule of the run out when the batter is leaving the crease. Ish Sodhi was called back by the captain and I think, this is a little all over the place. I looked at the footage. If I get bowled, the captain can't feel sorry for me and call me back. Right? So, why would this rule allow the batters to be called back?”

“Where I am going with this is, I want the ICC to bring it into the rule that you can't call batters back. Make it a fair dismissal. There are too many grey areas. When you leave grey areas, it can be really sore on the eyes for the fans, and I find it really irritating and hurtful towards the game.”

“My advice would be, take the rule away that you can't call a batter back. If a bowler wants to run the batter out, take the dismissal off the rule book. If you are caught on the boundary, you are out. These are the rules of the game. You can't say, ''ah, he is my friend, call him back'. I don't see this as sportsmanship, I'm sorry. It's a fair dismissal, it's out. Walk off the field,”
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Completely agree with Abdv. When the bowler has mankaded and taken the wicket in a legitimate manner, why should the batter be called back? Either you mankad him or you dont, but once legally dismissed why should the teams get the onus to call the batsman back.

Also the issue why should the captain unilaterally decide on his own that he should be calling the batter back? Did he consult with the bowler and the whole team before something like this happens?

Mankad is such a grey area - it forces the bowling team to uphold the ‘spirit of the game’ when the batting team clearly gets away from not doing so. To avoid controversies, ICC should just do away with this dismissal and simply impose a compulsory 5 run penalty on the batting team every time a non-striker steps out of the crease before the ball delivery is completed. Watch everybody fall in line.
 
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