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[PICTURES/VIDEO] Virat Kohli given out LBW in the 2nd Test versus Australia - Correct decision?

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Kuhnemann to Kohli, out Lbw!! Stunned silence at the Kotla as the home boy walks back. This is a big moment, a controversial moment, a moment that is going to dominate the post-match pressers. Virat Kohli out LBW when there is a chance he may have edged it, and also the wickets were only marginally hitting as per Hawk Eye. Kohli lbw b Kuhnemann 44(84) [4s-4]

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Question is - was it pad first?

In such cases, shouldn't the doubt be in the batters favour?
 
MenInG said:
Question is - was it pad first?

In such cases, shouldn't the doubt be in the batters favour?
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As per the newer rule, the doubt goes in favour of the decision given by umpire, not batter.
 
That is out my backside.

Ab absolute joke of a decision. The umpiring standards have gone to the dogs lately.
 
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The weightage given to the 'Umpire's call' does throw up some of these howlers.
 
From those still pictures it looks like pad first. Didn't see video of it which might say something else.

Bat is behind the pad and the pad will be struck first before the bat.

Seen it happen plenty before.
 
Ultra Edge detects a spike as the ball is close to bat. This seems tight, very tight. Was it pad first or bat first? Front-on replays suggest that it was pad first before Kohli snicked it. TV umpire Illingworth also reckons that it is indeed past first. The tracker returns umpire's call and Kohli drags himself off the field. He looked so assured until this moment. Falls six short of a half-century, with India still 128 behind
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Mind you an Indian commentator :))
 
Aman said:
From those still pictures it looks like pad first. Didn't see video of it which might say something else.

Bat is behind the pad and the pad will be struck first before the bat.

Seen it happen plenty before.
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Going by what I've read, same applies.

In these instances, 99% of the time it's pad first then bat. Only instances it isn't the case is when it hits the inside edge of the bat and then strikes the pad which doesn't appear to be the case here.
 
If you're using technology you shouldn't use umpires call thing, it's either out or not out, the decision shouldn't be favoured by umpires call..
 
Nikhil_cric said:
If this decision was against NZ you would have been crying yourself hoarse just like you did after the Wotld Cup final :rabada2
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Nah, I've seen this kind of dismissal plenty. Think it recently happened in the Pak-NZ series as well, can't remember who it was but same thing happened.

Always the same, bat is behind the pad and it brushes/strikes a part of the pad and then bat.

Only chance it isn't out is if you're inside edging it back onto the pad.
 
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Only reason this is getting such a debate is because it's Kohli and he's one of the biggest sulkers playing today :ronaldo
 
[MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION] does this look not out to you with those two angles?

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Bad news for India fans

Nitin Menon is officiating in all 4 Tests.
 
it seems that the ball struck the pad and pad at the same time. I would have given it not out.
 
Video of an upset VK added to post#1
 
Aman said:
Bro c'mon those pictures show it clearly lol.
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The pictures clearly show that it is not out. The ball is in contact with both the bat and the pad at the same time and therefore it is not out.

You don’t even need to use the Snicko because there is literally no gap between the bat and the ball. It is 100% clear that the bat and the ball are in contact.

This one of the worst decisions I have ever seen.
 
Mamoon said:
The pictures clearly show that it is not out. The ball is in contact with both the bat and the pad at the same time and therefore it is not out.

You don’t even need to use the Snicko because there is literally no gap between the bat and the ball. It is 100% clear that the bat and the ball are in contact.

This one of the worst decisions I have ever seen.
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Not debating contact, both hit it but you it has to hit pad first as shown in the pictures above as the bad is behind the pad. If it was bat first, then the ball would have deviated into the pad.
 
im going to use the Indian logic,.

Dekhay jee, if the leg was not there, the ball would had hit the wicket.
 
The area of the left pad where the ball grazed is in the same line as the inside edge of the bat hit by the ball. The bottom part of the bat being behind the pad does not matter at all, the ball did not strike there.
 
Abhilash93 said:
The area of the left pad where the ball grazed is in the same line as the inside edge of the bat hit by the ball. The bottom part of the bat being behind the pad does not matter at all, the ball did not strike there.
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Let's say it wasn't out, it makes little difference because India are still going to take a lead and win the match.
 
Seems out The pad is slightly ahead of the bat from the side shot So correct decision Nothing to moan about here
 
Mamoon said:
The pictures clearly show that it is not out. The ball is in contact with both the bat and the pad at the same time and therefore it is not out.

You don’t even need to use the Snicko because there is literally no gap between the bat and the ball. It is 100% clear that the bat and the ball are in contact.

This one of the worst decisions I have ever seen.
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A bit dramatic.

It was close and could have gone either way, but the worst you have ever seen..............
 
Well when you play with bat and pad close together thats the risk you take

Hes played it all wrong and paid the price

The best players of spin like younus khan always played with the bat well ahead of the pad so if there ever was a nick itd be clear and no doubt it
 
It is difficult to judge. But, it seems like it was bat-first.

Benefit of doubt should go to batter but ICC gives preference to umpire's call.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Mark Waugh: 9 out of 10 times, most umpires would have given that 'Not Out'.
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Well, then this was that one time.

Had this same decision been given against Labuschagne or Smith, many Indians here would be cheerleading in the support of the umpire for a calling a perfectly fair decision.

But either way. Look at pics.
More than half of the ball is hitting the pad, it’s pad first, IMO.
 
The second day of the second India-Australia Test in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy in Delhi saw when controversial moment as Virat Kohli was given LBW while he was on 44. The former India captain looked solid while wickets kept on falling at the other end, but off Test debutant Matthew Kuhnemann left-arm spin, Kohli was given out. The bone of contention was whether the ball had the the bat first or not. The on-field umpire gave him out and Kohli went for a DRS.

Replays showed that the bat and pad were too close to each at the point of impact. Ultra Edge even detected a spike when the ball was close to bat. The ball-tracker showed umpire's call - as the ball was clipping leg stump. However, the replays were not conclusive enough to overturn the on-field umpire's decision. Hence, Kohli had to depart leaving India reeling.

After the day's play, Gavaskar gave his take on the decision. "I thought it was out because if the ball had not hit the bat, because he had been hit on the inside part of the front leg...The ball even if it had turned marginally towards the off-stump, it would have hit the leg-stump. If it would have hit him on the outside part of the left leg, then it would have probably missed the leg-stump. The only question at that particular point of time was where was the impact, whether the ball hit the bat first. Because the bat and pad were so close to each other. It was umpire's call which in my view what the decision was," Gavaskar said on Star Sports.

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Video may give some indication

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looks like hes jammed em both together, what does the law say abt the bat and pad hitting at the same time?
 
When Nitin gives something out it is generally not out. This time he got lucky with umipre's call. Rubbish umpire.
 
Saw several replays when watching live and it was a really close call. Unlucky imo, but umpires call did him in
 
MenInG said:
Video may give some indication

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Clear out without a shadow of a doubt.
 
Major said:
im going to use the Indian logic,.

Dekhay jee, if the leg was not there, the ball would had hit the wicket.
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Colorblind Genius said:
Clear out without a shadow of a doubt.
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PakEngFan said:
Clearly pad first. Kholi should use his bat to play not his pads.
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MenInG said:
Video may give some indication

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Well from that video it looks like bat first

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The picture suggested to me it was out but looking at the vidoe it definitely looks like it hit the bat.
 
shamaan said:
The picture suggested to me it was out but looking at the vidoe it definitely looks like it hit the bat.
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Noones debating the ball hit the bat

The debate is whether it hit the pad first before it hit the bat hence if lbw was the right decision

Im still pretty sure looking at the side view the ball hit the pad first
 
Mamoon said:
The pictures clearly show that it is not out. The ball is in contact with both the bat and the pad at the same time and therefore it is not out.

You don’t even need to use the Snicko because there is literally no gap between the bat and the ball. It is 100% clear that the bat and the ball are in contact.

This one of the worst decisions I have ever seen.
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Looks like your eye sight is seriously bad, no shock after the last 2 weeks you have had ;)

it was pad 1st and out LBW.

calling it worst decision ever is typical hysteria that you like to generate from your post which is comedy gold.
 
This wasn’t a glaringly obvious umpiring mistake and you could argue both ways. So not sure what the fuss is about.
 
This was paid first even if it is nanosecond earlier. Not sure why it is so confusing.
 
Thats not out, if the ball is touching pad and bat at same time, this means there isn't conclusive evidence that ball didn't touch the bat and therefore not out.
 
Team India's star batter Virat Kohli was dismissed in a rather controversial manner on Day 2 of the second Test against Australia. Kohli was given out lbw by the on-field umpire Nitin Menon off debutant Matthew Kuhnemann and a review declared it too close to judge whether the ball hit the bat or pad first, before tracking suggested it was hitting leg stump. Third umpire Richard Illingworth upheld the decision, much to the surprise of Kohli, who went back unhappy and was seen animated while watching replays in the pavilion.

Kohli's frustration, however, didn't seem to end there. When India returned to take the field for Australia's second innings, Kohli was seen having a detailed chat with Nitin Menon. The crowd soon realised that the two were conversing as Kohli followed Menon towards the square leg umpire's position, and cheered on for the India batter.

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Smbhayi said:
Well from that video it looks like bat first

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[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION]

Please watch this video and book an appointment with your nearest Specsavers.

It is 100% not out - the ball did not hit the pad first. It is a farcical decision.
 
^ The front view makes it clear that the ball was not in contact with the bat and the pad at the same time. It clearly hit the bat first.

As I said in my first post, it is easily one of the worst decisions in history especially when you consider the fact that umpires today have all the technology available.
 
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