[PICTURES] Who will replace Ravi Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja when they retire?

[tyron_woodley]

jadeja has about 5 years left and ashwin maybe 3. Does india have quality spinners as good as them with the ability to bat ? gowtham maybe and axar? It's going to be interesting to see how they replace these 2 great spinners. kuldeep can't bat. I think axar or gowtham would be the best bet.

Pace bowling is in excellent hands as they have some real quality depth right now.

 

[andy0204]

India's Anderson and Broad these two are.

 

[Ab Fan]

Axar is rubbish..Kuldeep is the alternative we have and he will do well. He can't bat but then we won't be able to find spinners who can bat like Jadeja and Ashwin.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Will be replaced seamlessly. Don't try to make them seem like Shane Warne or Muralitharan.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Too early to start worrying about it, they have some ways to go.

 

[saeed5646]

Jadeja will have long career than ashwin due to his superb fitness

 

[Babu Bhaiya]

jadeja has about 5 years left and ashwin maybe 3. Does india have quality spinners as good as them with the ability to bat ? gowtham maybe and axar? It's going to be interesting to see how they replace these 2 great spinners. kuldeep can't bat. I think axar or gowtham would be the best bet.

Pace bowling is in excellent hands as they have some real quality depth right now.

I’d disagree with the options you have suggested. As you rightly said Jadeja and Ashwin have at least 3 years of test cricket left in them unless there is a major dip in their form.

Gowtham is an excellent prospect but he is already 30. Should have been in playing eleven by now. By the time Ash and Jaddu retires, He’ll be 33-34 and you can’t expect more than couple years from him.

Axar is a very good batsman for a lower order and is just 25 but he is very limited bowler. Doesn’t have the kind of bowling required in Test matches. He is more like run container and T20s suits his game. He doesn’t spin the bowl, just darts in with variation in pace.

In my opinion, India should groom two spinners to replace Ash and Jadeja who are not more than 25-26 years old. One of them has to be an excellent spinner(like Kuldeep) even if he doesn’t bat much. Other one should be a good bowler and can bat a bit.

I honestly don’t know how W. Sundar bats but if he can hang around a bit with the bat then he and Kuldeep should be groomed for next spinning pair. Sundar bowls similar to Ashwin, whereas Kuldeep is a tradition leggie.

As far as other options are concerned, I don’t see Chahal as a test match material.

Two bowlers that caught my attention are Aditya Sarwate and D Jadeja. They are proper Batsmen and a very good left arm spinners. But again they both are already 29 so can’t say how good they’ll be at the age of 33-34.

Also keep an eye on Mayank Markande and Rahul Chahar. I’d be interesting to see how they develop as leggies.

 

[geraltofrivia]

What are you talking about? Spinners can go upto 40.

 

[Babu Bhaiya]

What are you talking about? Spinners can go upto 40.

I’m not saying they can’t. Even batsmen and in some cases fast bowlers can go upto 40. But those cases are exceptions.

Can they be as effective as a 30-32 year old. And you wouldn’t want an oldie running around the field being a liability as a fielder. True that their primary role is bowling but you have to field and bat as well. Everyone doesn’t have fitness level of Dhoni or Misbah.

 

[Chrish]

Not really an exception. Herath and Kumble played till 40. Murali and Warne were also over 37 iirc.

I wouldn't be worried about it just yet.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I’m not saying they can’t. Even batsmen and in some cases fast bowlers can go upto 40. But those cases are exceptions.

Can they be as effective as a 30-32 year old. And you wouldn’t want an oldie running around the field being a liability as a fielder. True that their primary role is bowling but you have to field and bat as well. Everyone doesn’t have fitness level of Dhoni or Misbah.

I agree my brothers. We are blessed to have such quality bowlers. Amazing both truly are. jaddu and ashwin have won ? 28 games out of 30. that is insane.

 

[Abhilash93]

5 years is a long time in sport, some talented spinner who is 18-19 yrs now may emerge as top pick till then.

Right now, among the younger lot (20-25 yrs), we have guys like Shreyas Gopal, Rahul Chahar, Markande, Anukul Roy etc who can be bowling allrounders. Kuldeep can improve his batting as well.

 

[Hasan123]

Ashwin and Jadeja may not finish as ATGs but I think they can finish in the bracket below ATGs.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

They will be hard to replace. Ashwin is India's biggest match winner at home.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I back Shreyas Gopal.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Both are ATG in Asian conditions, will easily make the all time India XI in Asia.

Incredible players!

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Both are ATG in Asian conditions, will easily make the all time India XI in Asia.

Incredible players!

I would pick Ashwin over Kumble honestly. The way he picks up wickets on flat pitches is incredible. India averages 45 at home since 2015 yet Ashwin still demolishes opposing teams.

 

[big_gamer007]

They have 3-5 years left, by that time their replacements will be ready. We are good at producing spinners so I am sure we will get their replacements.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think Kuldeep and Chahal can replace them. These two can be deadly on turning pitches.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I think Kuldeep and Chahal can replace them. These two can be deadly on turning pitches.

Chahal is terrible in tests

 

[Mamoon]

India is an elite team. They will never struggle to replace any of their players collectively. Sure you won’t have a Tendulkar, Kohli, Rohit or Bumrah in every generation, but they will produce enough quality to remain a champion side.

 

[Pakhs]

They will be replaced easily - India never had a problem replacing spinners or Batsmen.

 

[jeetu]

I hope someone will step upto the plate. Jadeja was pretty poor till few years back. India was lucky to have high quality spinner from Veenu Mankad onwards. from 50 to late 79's India had Mankad , Gupte , Nadkarni , Bedi , Prasanna and Chandra.
The rut started from 80's where likes of Doshi , Maninder , Shivlal etc could not replicate the success of great spinners before them.
In 90's Kumble started. And home domination started largely due to him. He was followed by Harbhajan , Ashwin and Jadeja.

Indian spinners with atleast 50 home wickets

Player	Span	Mat	Wkts	Ave	Econ	SR	5W	10W
MH Mankad	1948-1959	23	103	26.53	2.11	75.4	4	2
SP Gupte	1951-1961	21	84	30.34	2.37	76.7	6	1
RG Nadkarni	1955-1966	25	53	27.86	1.59	105.1	3	1
SA Durani	1960-1973	21	55	34.47	2.41	85.5	3	1
EAS Prasanna	1962-1977	22	95	26.94	2.29	70.4	5	1
Chandrasekhar	1964-1979	32	142	27.69	2.56	64.6	8	1
Venkataraghavan	1965-1983	32	94	30.64	2.08	88	2	1
Bedi	1966-1979	30	137	23.99	1.89	75.8	8	0
DR Doshi	1979-1983	21	77	25.38	2.07	73.3	4	0
NS Yadav	1979-1987	28	77	34.1	2.68	76.3	2	0
RJ Shastri	1981-1990	38	73	38.93	2.28	102.3	1	0
Maninder Singh	1983-1993	18	62	30.61	2.33	78.5	3	2
SLV Raju	1990-2001	16	71	24	2.3	62.5	5	1
A Kumble	1993-2008	63	350	24.88	2.51	59.4	25	7
Harbhajan Singh	1998-2013	55	265	28.76	2.69	64.1	18	4
PP Ojha	2009-2013	20	101	27.51	2.59	63.5	7	1
R Ashwin	2011-2019	40	248	22.62	2.75	49.2	21	6
RA Jadeja	2012-2019	30	154	20.66	2.23	55.5	7	1

Indian team's home record across decades

Decade	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L
1930s	3	0	2	0	1	0
1940s	5	0	1	0	4	0
1950s	25	6	8	0	11	0.75
1960s	36	6	8	0	22	0.75
1970s	34	11	7	0	16	1.571
1980s	42	8	9	1	24	0.888
1990s	30	17	5	0	8	3.4
2000s	47	21	8	0	18	2.625
2010s	47	34	4	0	9	8.5

 

[jnaveen1980]

Indian spinners with atleast 50 home wickets

Player	Span	Mat	Wkts	Ave	Econ	SR	5W	10W
MH Mankad	1948-1959	23	103	26.53	2.11	75.4	4	2
SP Gupte	1951-1961	21	84	30.34	2.37	76.7	6	1
RG Nadkarni	1955-1966	25	53	27.86	1.59	105.1	3	1
SA Durani	1960-1973	21	55	34.47	2.41	85.5	3	1
EAS Prasanna	1962-1977	22	95	26.94	2.29	70.4	5	1
Chandrasekhar	1964-1979	32	142	27.69	2.56	64.6	8	1
Venkataraghavan	1965-1983	32	94	30.64	2.08	88	2	1
Bedi	1966-1979	30	137	23.99	1.89	75.8	8	0
DR Doshi	1979-1983	21	77	25.38	2.07	73.3	4	0
NS Yadav	1979-1987	28	77	34.1	2.68	76.3	2	0
RJ Shastri	1981-1990	38	73	38.93	2.28	102.3	1	0
Maninder Singh	1983-1993	18	62	30.61	2.33	78.5	3	2
SLV Raju	1990-2001	16	71	24	2.3	62.5	5	1
A Kumble	1993-2008	63	350	24.88	2.51	59.4	25	7
Harbhajan Singh	1998-2013	55	265	28.76	2.69	64.1	18	4
PP Ojha	2009-2013	20	101	27.51	2.59	63.5	7	1
R Ashwin	2011-2019	40	248	22.62	2.75	49.2	21	6
RA Jadeja	2012-2019	30	154	20.66	2.23	55.5	7	1

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Strike rate of Ashwin is mind blowing. It is something you see with genuine fast bowlers. Given that the amount of overs spinners bowl it is staggering.

 

[jeetu]

Strike rate of Ashwin is mind blowing. It is something you see with genuine fast bowlers. Given that the amount of overs spinners bowl it is staggering.

Ashwin as of now is leading SR chart among all spinners with 100+ wickets at home. He has stiff competition from Yasir Shah.
Note for Pakistan's spinners neutral pitches were treated as home too.

Player	Span	Mat	Wkts	Ave	SR	5W	10W
R Ashwin (INDIA)	2011-2019	40	248	22.62	49.2	21	6
M Muralitharan (SL)	1992-2010	73	493	19.56	50.8	45	15
Yasir Shah	2014-2018	17	116	24.56	51.2	8	2
HMRKB Herath (SL)	1999-2018	49	278	23.65	51.3	26	7
SCG MacGill (AUS)	1998-2007	27	135	27.68	53.3	9	2
JC Laker (ENG)	1948-1958	29	135	18.08	54.7	7	3
RA Jadeja (INDIA)	2012-2019	30	154	20.66	55.5	7	1
MDK Perera (SL)	2014-2019	21	103	28.75	56.3	6	2
GP Swann (ENG)	2009-2013	32	120	28.94	56.9	7	1
A Kumble (INDIA)	1993-2008	63	350	24.88	59.4	25	7
SK Warne (AUS)	1992-2007	69	319	26.39	60.8	15	4
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)	2007-2019	37	142	31.08	61.5	13	2
GAR Lock (ENG)	1952-1963	28	104	19.51	62	6	2
Abdul Qadir (PAK)	1977-1990	40	168	26.82	62.2	12	4
PP Ojha (INDIA)	2009-2013	20	101	27.51	63.5	7	1
Harbhajan Singh (INDIA)	1998-2013	55	265	28.76	64.1	18	4
Chandrasekhar (INDIA)	1964-1979	32	142	27.69	64.6	8	1
CV Grimmett (AUS)	1925-1933	19	105	24.59	64.7	9	3
Saqlain Mushtaq	1995-2004	25	102	29.54	67.2	4	0
NM Lyon (AUS)	2011-2019	43	164	33.57	67.5	5	1
DL Underwood (ENG)	1966-1980	42	145	24.24	68.7	10	4
Danish Kaneria	2000-2010	31	122	34.5	69.7	6	2
Iqbal Qasim (PAK)	1977-1988	29	111	25.15	72.7	6	1
MH Mankad (INDIA)	1948-1959	23	103	26.53	75.4	4	2
Bedi (INDIA)	1966-1979	30	137	23.99	75.8	8	0
DL Vettori (NZ)	1997-2012	57	159	37.11	84.9	6	2
R Illingworth (ENG)	1958-1973	43	102	27.14	86	3	0
R Benaud (AUS)	1952-1964	29	104	30.74	86.9	5	0
LR Gibbs (WI)	1958-1974	32	126	29.65	88.1	6	0

 

[AMSS]

Strange thread in the sense neither Jadeja nor Ashwin are retiring anytime soon AND there is a veritable glut of spinners in India.

On the other hand, and with all due respect to Umesh Yadav's success in his latest test, BCCI would do well to groom some quicks like Saini. Not as optimistic about India's pace prospect as I was till a year ago.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kuldeep/Bishnoi and Sundar can replace them.

But in Ashwin, we have got a great test bowler and a Hadlee level test batsman.

In Jadeja, we have a very good test bowler and a Imran level batsman, so it will take something to make up for them

 

[ethan hunt]

Certainly not varun Chakraborty and Rahul chahar.
India should really have better bowlers with that massive population and playing base.

 

[Ab Fan]

Ravi Bishnoi is a solid prospect. Watch out for him when he debuts in international cricket. Also watch out for certain Indian poster who will start ridiculing him after a couple of international matches because that is only what he is capable of

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

India don't have another spinner like Ashwin in their domestic circuit.. Sundar is similar player but much like part timer..
Ravi Jadeja can be replaced by Axar Patel who is very accurate like Jadeja..
Ravi Bishnoi is excellent spinner and can be groomed for tests..
India have many good spinners ready for limited overs cricket but very few for tests.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Kuldeep/Bishnoi and Sundar can replace them.

But in Ashwin, we have got a great test bowler and a Hadlee level test batsman.

In Jadeja, we have a very good test bowler and a Imran level batsman, so it will take something to make up for them

Kuldeep is finished..
Bishnoi is certainly bright prospect

 

[ChennaiFan]

Ravi Bishnoi is a solid prospect. Watch out for him when he debuts in international cricket. Also watch out for certain Indian poster who will start ridiculing him after a couple of international matches because that is only what he is capable of

Ravi Bishnoi, from what I have seen in the IPL, mainly bowls googlies. Unless he adds additional skills to his bowling, he will not be successful in international cricket.

 

[Robert]

Strike rate of Ashwin is mind blowing. It is something you see with genuine fast bowlers. Given that the amount of overs spinners bowl it is staggering.

He’s up against a lot of batters who cannot play on turning surfaces.

The recent England series saw player after player bowled by the arm ball. They didn’t know what to do because they don’t learn the skills at home. Go back forty years and most England batters who were good players of spin. It’s a lost art due to changes in the County game.

 

[Robert]

Kuldeep/Bishnoi and Sundar can replace them.

But in Ashwin, we have got a great test bowler and a Hadlee level test batsman.

In Jadeja, we have a very good test bowler and a Imran level batsman, so it will take something to make up for them

He isn’t Imran level. Imran hit six test centuries. Jadeja has one, and his stats are heavily padded by red ink in home games.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He isn’t Imran level. Imran hit six test centuries. Jadeja has one, and his stats are heavily padded by red ink in home games.

Averages 34 with the bat and 25 with the ball. Thats as good as it gets .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Sky Sports did an excellent analysis some time ago with KP, Athers and Nasser. This idea that batsmen 40 years ago could have played modern test spinners with ease is more fantasy than fact.

DRS has made it extremely difficult for batsmen especially on surfaces where there is turn at pace. You throw in the added factor of accurate left arm spinner bowling 55 mph +(Jadeja /Axar) and it's near impossible to play them well for a right handed batsman.

 

[Ab Fan]

He isn’t Imran level. Imran hit six test centuries. Jadeja has one, and his stats are heavily padded by red ink in home games.

Imran's batting stats are heavily padded by not out too. Yes, he needs to hit a few more hundreds but an average of 34 with bat tells us that he was very capable with bat. His bowling stats are inflated, I never denied that.

 

[FearlessRoar]

India's deadly spin trio will be action again

R Ashwin averages 18.3 and has a strike-rate of 39.4 in this period at home. Who will bag the most wickets in coming series?

 

[AMSS]

Make it a quartet. Kuldeep was easily the best spinner against England at home.

 

[Bhaijaan]

India's deadly spin trio will be action again

R Ashwin averages 18.3 and has a strike-rate of 39.4 in this period at home. Who will bag the most wickets in coming series?

I’m rooting for Bapu

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Kuldeep Yadav and Ravi Bishnoi

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Kuldeep Yadav and Ravi Bishnoi

but they won't be able to fill the gap in the lower order batting that will be left by Ashwin and Jadeja's departure.

 

[shaz619]

Bashir and Hartley

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Bashir and Hartley

are they going to join indian team?

 

[shaz619]

are they going to join indian team?

Yes, after tearing them a new one

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yes, after tearing them a new one

I hope they continue doing that as long as the result is 4-1 in our favour.
Also hoping that they dont retire after the next ashes in Australia where there will be treated like the jobbers they are, should send two - three therapists along with these bunch of mentally fragile generation of English cricketers.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bishnoi and Axar probably.

Both are young and have done well in patches.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Ashwin and Jadeja as a bowler might be replaceable but their contributions as a batter are still unmatchable by anyone atm.

Axar is a guy who is doing fine though but they still have nobody to replace ashwin.

 

[shaz619]

I hope they continue doing that as long as the result is 4-1 in our favour.
Also hoping that they dont retire after the next ashes in Australia where there will be treated like the jobbers they are, should send two - three therapists along with these bunch of mentally fragile generation of English cricketers.

Cry me a river, the rookies bent the so called GOAT’s on the same pitches exposing their careers. I think they and their fans need a doc to help with the delusional and mental deterioration after getting spanked.

 

[Devadwal]

Bishnoi and Axar probably.

Both are young and have done well in patches.

Bishnoi is not a test level bowler only useful for t20

 

[shaz619]

Bashir apparently idolised Ashwin to, the true successor to the so called GOAT

 

[Bhaijaan]

What a duo.

We had a decade of success thanks to their services. Their consistent run will be hard to replicate.

We must consider ourselves lucky to have their services.

 

[Monday Morning]

These two are peerless, but India have a decent crop of upcoming spin allrounders.

Axar is the obvious deputy for these two, but Shams Mulani and Tanush Kotian could be handy test cricketers too.

Washington Sundar is too brittle to be a test match player sadly.

 

[MP2011]

Bishnoi is not a test level bowler only useful for t20

You won't know that unless you play him in tests. If Sky can play tests, anyone can.

 

[Devadwal]

You won't know that unless you play him in tests. If Sky can play tests, anyone can.

one wrong decision doesn't justify another wrong decision .

Ravi bishnoi doens't even play first class cricket as he only played 5 so far.

He is a not test cricket bowler from what I have seen so far .he firstly needs to play first class cricket to even consider for test cricket .

 

[MP2011]

firstly needs to play first class cricket to even consider for test cricket .

This I agree with.

 

[AMSS]

Nobody ever replaced Kapil and India never had a test opener as good as Gavaskar but India is still a stronger test team now than it was during their time.

India does *not* need to replace Ashwin and Jadeja when they eventually leave.

 

[maha3us]

jadeja has about 5 years left and ashwin maybe 3. Does india have quality spinners as good as them with the ability to bat ? gowtham maybe and axar? It's going to be interesting to see how they replace these 2 great spinners. kuldeep can't bat. I think axar or gowtham would be the best bet.

Pace bowling is in excellent hands as they have some real quality depth right now.

Who will replace Ashwin and Jadeja? The point to be noted is players come up. Some players give excellent performance and become known as great players. But then every great player retires. As he gets to the point of retirement, questions come up like 'who will replace them?'. It is not necessary the team needs to get an exact replacement player when an excellent player retires and this is because cricket is a team game and the other players in the team who become more and more experienced can compensate for the loss of a retired great player. That is how it goes on with a good team. Have we got the exact replacement of the players like Bradman, Lindwall, Sobers, Imran Khan, Akram, Lillee, Hadlee, Kapil Dev, Tendulkar or name anyone. Now Travais Head is an excellent performer with bat in Australia. Do we know whose replacement is he? Can the England team just get an exact replacement of Anderson and Broad? For Indian team itself, earlier the question was 'Who will replace the duo Anil Kumble and Harbhajan Singh'? Though there was no immediate replacement, players already present raise their capability and new players slowly emerge.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Are they home-track bullies?

 

[Savak]

Axar Patel, Kuldeep Yadav. India has plenty of back up. Nothing to worry about.

 

[kron]

Axar Patel, Kuldeep Yadav. India has plenty of back up. Nothing to worry about.

None are of ash and jadeja in terms of overall quality with both bat and ball combined though

 

[jnaveen1980]

Are they home-track bullies?

India uses 4 fast bowlers overseas. They win matches differently as they roll out seamer friendly pitches. Check his record in Asia in general and Windies where they don't alter the pitch to suit exclusively seamers. Besides he did well in Australia on those flat pitches. Jadeja has a terrific record in Australia as well.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Axar Patel, Kuldeep Yadav. India has plenty of back up. Nothing to worry about.

They can't match these two. The amount of times they stepped up in crunch moments, amount of times they ran through sides both individually and as combination. Greatest match winning pair in Indian history.

 

[AMSS]

If Kuldeep gets a consistent run, I'd back him to be the most successful Indian spinner in SENA after Chandra.