[PICTURES] Why modern boxers like Tyson Fury,Andy Ruiz Usyk are too inferior to the heavyweight boxers of 1970s like Muhammad Ali, George Foreman etc?

[The Bald Eagle]

The first thing that comes in mind while hearing of a boxer is an excellent physique, six packs abdomen and great big biceps. But to surprise of many, a lot of modern heavyweight boxers don't have any of it. They look badly out of shape, with their burgeoning bellies and extra fatty muscles. So because of this poor attention to their physique modern boxers look extremely awful and don't have any agility at all to entertain the people around them.

While the things were diametrically different in 1970s when watching boxing was actually great fun. And then you had boxers with great physique and agility like Muhammad Ali, Kanny Norton, Joe Frazier and George Foreman etc

Modern Boxers

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Boxers of 1970s

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[sweep_shot]

I think it is because current generation athletes are more pampered and spoiled than previous generations (generally). Previous generations seemed to have better work ethics.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I think it is because current generation athletes are more pampered and spoiled than previous generations (generally). Previous generations seemed to have better work ethics.

Yep, you are right bro. And the current so called "undefeated champions" like tyson fury could not have even survived three rounds against Prime George Foreman.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Even Ali used to carry some extra weight during his fights in his later career. Not a lot, he was still in good shape but he wasn't sporting a six pack like Anthony Joshua. There's a modern theory around boxing that too much muscle can fatigue a boxer in later rounds.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yep bro, I know you are referring to Ali's matches post Ali vs Norton II. He was indeed out of shape then but never was his countenance as poor and awful as Fury's is these days. Even fury himself acknowledged recently in pre Ngannou fight that he looks like a "swine".

Also it was a big surprise that Joshua lost to likes of Andy Ruiz and Usyk. .

This shows modern boxing is DISGRACEFUL...!!

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The downfall of boxing as a whole and of modern boxers especially can be gauged from the fact that now amateur UFC boxers like Francis Ngannou are venturing their luck in boxing.

And was definitely the winner against Tyson Fury although he was robbed by judges. This shows how good are your current "UNDEFEATED CHAMPIONS"

 

[ghalib kichlu]

I cant ever remember Evan holyfield being fit and agile

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I cant ever remember Evan holyfield being fit and agile

Bro I guess you have forgotten his exceptional stamina that was the result of his excellent physique and which also made Mike Tyson bite the dust!

 

[KingKhanWC]

There are many reasons but the main reason imo , they fight for money and only pick and choose their fights.

There wasnt huge money in Ali's days esp the early days. Boxers had no choice but to fight the best because only by becoming World Champ would you become wealthy. Now you have youtubers who cant throw a straight right, making millions fighting some other youtuber bum.

Fury is good, Uysk is good but the rest are bums, no doubt about it. However Fury and Uysk wouldnt be champions imo in the 90s against the likes of Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield.. In the 50/60/70s, they would non existant, the quality of the HW in that era was on another level.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

There are many reasons but the main reason imo , they fight for money and only pick and choose their fights.

There wasnt huge money in Ali's days esp the early days. Boxers had no choice but to fight the best because only by becoming World Champ would you become wealthy. Now you have youtubers who cant throw a straight right, making millions fighting some other youtuber bum.

Fury is good, Uysk is good but the rest are bums, no doubt about it. However Fury and Uysk wouldnt be champions imo in the 90s against the likes of Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield.. In the 50/60/70s, they would non existant, the quality of the HW in that era was on another level.

Yeah completely agree with you. Also the likes of Sonny Liston and Earnie Shavers would have been too much for the boxers today.

Only the Klitschko brothers were some tough guys in modern times, Lennox Lewis was also fine. And the only exceptional lightweight boxer of modern times was Floyd Mayweather who just had exceptional technique.

 

[hassan918]

The kind of fitness equipment and machines we have these days were not existed a few decades ago. I think this is one reason why we are seeing modern boxers in better looking shape. Also, we have seen lots of development in sports nutrition as well in the last few decades so this could also be a factor.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Muhammad Ali speed in ring>>>>>Tyson fury’s speed in training

That is why Khabib Nurmegedov recently said that these days anybody could do boxing

 

[The Bald Eagle]

A punch on the face of modern boxing. Can you name any such example from past I'll wait.

And George Foreman at 45

 

[The Bald Eagle]

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I think it is because current generation athletes are more pampered and spoiled than previous generations (generally). Previous generations seemed to have better work ethics.

Bro can you name current wrestler who could give a tough time to boxing greats of past? Because after being pampered they are still awful.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are many reasons but the main reason imo , they fight for money and only pick and choose their fights.

There wasnt huge money in Ali's days esp the early days. Boxers had no choice but to fight the best because only by becoming World Champ would you become wealthy. Now you have youtubers who cant throw a straight right, making millions fighting some other youtuber bum.

Fury is good, Uysk is good but the rest are bums, no doubt about it. However Fury and Uysk wouldnt be champions imo in the 90s against the likes of Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield.. In the 50/60/70s, they would non existant, the quality of the HW in that era was on another level.

Lennox Lewis was a class fighter, very skilled for a big guy. Him and Holyfield are probably the last of the quality heavyweights of more recent times I can remember. I think even though Tyson lost some embarrassing fights in the later stages, I think he was gone by then. He looked a completely different fighter early on to the shambling mess he became later.

 

[sweep_shot]

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Bro can you name current wrestler who could give a tough time to boxing greats of past? Because after being pampered they are still awful.

Don't think there is any.

Then again, I do not follow boxing a lot (not as much as I follow cricket or soccer). I only know a few names.

 

[ElRaja]

the heavyweight division may be weaker than historic levels but that isn't true across the board, Terrence Crawford is an ATG freak of an athlete.

also mention for Naoya Inoue who pbly would have been world class in any era.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

the heavyweight division may be weaker than historic levels but that isn't true across the board, Terrence Crawford is an ATG freak of an athlete.

also mention for Naoya Inoue who pbly would have been world class in any era.

I think heavy weight division not may be but actually is weaker than historic standards and on Terrence Crawford and Naoya Inoue completely agree with you.

But I think it would be hard even for a boxing fan like yourself to name even a single ATG heavyweight boxer that is currently in business or was there in last 5 years.

 

[Itachi]

Nostalgia makes people make incorrect assumptions. We are driven by conformative bias.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Nostalgia makes people make incorrect assumptions. We are driven by conformative bias.

Yeah sometimes it sure does. But I'm sure not in the case of Heavyweight division comparison. For instance despite all your efforts, you can hardly name a modern time ATG. Although it is too easy to name half a dozen from 1970s, 80s era.

 

[ElRaja]

Nostalgia makes people make incorrect assumptions. We are driven by conformative bias.

fury has size going for him, in peak condition he would have been a massive problem for anyone IMO but despite being a fan i have to admit he did not fight consistently enough in his peak, and looked wildly undercooked vs nganou, and if that's him deteriorating his peak cv wouldn't stand up to the fighters of yesteryear. beyond that the last ATG level heavyweight, brains, brawns, speed, durability, evasiveness, adaptability, IMO, was lennox lewis.

 

[shaz619]

They are not inferior, if anything, the belief in recent times has been quiet the opposite; how could the prior generation of Heavyweights competes with fighters now who are substantially bigger and heavier, especially when they can box a bit too. The images you post are of the fighters in their worst condition, we could probably pull up similar images from weigh-ins of past generations, heck Foreman came back in his 40’s looking like a blob and schooling a number of fighters but not always finding himself on the right side of the judges, it’s a specialist skills based sport, Mike Tyson was handicapped as a Heavyweight to he was about as tall as Waqar Younis let that sink in so ask yourself why he was succesful. Usyk though is proof that the smaller and leaner Heavyweights from the past would still compete at a high level now, and his dynamic boxing ability has clearly been a huge advantage. Fury is not in his best form now and towards the end of his career, but in his peak and in shape, he’s trouble for any Heavyweight in history because no man his size should move so well and have such a high boxing IQ. Lennox Lewis wasn’t in the best shape against Vitali and was lucky to escape with a TKO due to cuts, while it’s still debated what would have happened in a rematch it shouldn’t define his legacy and the same thing here.

There are varied approaches to Boxing conditioning, and from what I’ve seen over the years the best programs tend to be flexible. Some fighters may deceive the eye but employ old school’s of thought with heavy road work and sparring. Just lifting weights is not enough.

Ultimately skills will always be the be and end all for me. But I think I take your point but it can be rephrased to ‘why are the fighters not consistently in shape’ and the answer to that is business, politics and lack of activity. The prior generations of fighters practically lived in the gyms and fought more than a few times a year, the competition during the golden era of Heavyweight boxing is simply staggering.

 

[Mamoon]

Don’t know anything about boxing but it is interesting to see that boxing fans also suffer from the “past was better” syndrome.

It appears that this syndrome is universal among all sports.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

They are not inferior, if anything, the belief in recent times has been quiet the opposite; how could the prior generation of Heavyweights competes with fighters now who are substantially bigger and heavier, especially when they can box a bit too. The images you post are of the fighters in their worst condition, we could probably pull up similar images from weigh-ins of past generations, heck Foreman came back in his 40’s looking like a blob and schooling a number of fighters but not always finding himself on the right side of the judges, it’s a specialist skills based sport, Mike Tyson was handicapped as a Heavyweight to he was about as tall as Waqar Younis let that sink in so ask yourself why he was succesful. Usyk though is proof that the smaller and leaner Heavyweights from the past would still compete at a high level now, and his dynamic boxing ability has clearly been a huge advantage. Fury is not in his best form now and towards the end of his career, but in his peak and in shape, he’s trouble for any Heavyweight in history because no man his size should move so well and have such a high boxing IQ. Lennox Lewis wasn’t in the best shape against Vitali and was lucky to escape with a TKO due to cuts, while it’s still debated what would have happened in a rematch it shouldn’t define his legacy and the same thing here.

There are varied approaches to Boxing conditioning, and from what I’ve seen over the years the best programs tend to be flexible. Some fighters may deceive the eye but employ old school’s of thought with heavy road work and sparring. Just lifting weights is not enough.

Ultimately skills will always be the be and end all for me. But I think I take your point but it can be rephrased to ‘why are the fighters not consistently in shape’ and the answer to that is business, politics and lack of activity. The prior generations of fighters practically lived in the gyms and fought more than a few times a year, the competition during the golden era of Heavyweight boxing is simply staggering.

O come on@Shaz619. Be fair man do you really think that Fury in his prime would have beaten Muhammad Ali in his prime. Not even a 0.001% chance of that.

He even would have struggled against the second tier boxers of 1970s like Kenny Norton and Earnie Shavers let alone the big guys like foremon.

And yep Foremon was badly out of shape in his second coming but still managed to win a heavyweight title even in that shape. Lennox Lewis and Klitschko brothers, no doubt are great boxers but no way you can equate them with like of Anthony Joshua, Fury, Andy Ruiz etc. Fury was just lucky to face Wladimir Klitschko at the back end of his career otherwise he would have beaten the spook out of him.

Even if you want a neutral example from me to back my point then just look out the recent clash between a MMA guy Ngannou and Fury. Fury was favored unjustly by judges otherwise Ngannou was the clear victor from a neutral perspective.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Don’t know anything about boxing but it is interesting to see that boxing fans also suffer from the “past was better” syndrome.

It appears that this syndrome is universal among all sports.

Yep, that syndrome is universal but in case of boxing it's a no brainer because boxers in past were infact superior due to their better technique and better physique and anybody could second that

Just like anybody could acknowledge that the Arsenal side of 2004 comprising of likes of Thiery Henry and Robert Pires is better than the current lot.

 

[shaz619]

O come on@Shaz619. Be fair man do you really think that Fury in his prime would have beaten Muhammad Ali in his prime. Not even a 0.001% chance of that.

He even would have struggled against the second tier boxers of 1970s like Kenny Norton and Earnie Shavers let alone the big guys like foremon.

And yep Foremon was badly out of shape in his second coming but still managed to win a heavyweight title even in that shape. Lennox Lewis and Klitschko brothers, no doubt are great boxers but no way you can equate them with like of Anthony Joshua, Fury, Andy Ruiz etc. Fury was just lucky to face Wladimir Klitschko at the back end of his career otherwise he would have beaten the spook out of him.

Even if you want a neutral example from me to back my point then just look out the recent clash between a MMA guy Ngannou and Fury. Fury was favored unjustly by judges otherwise Ngannou was the clear victor from a neutral perspective.

I don’t believe I said he beats Ali did I, I said he gives trouble to any HW in history, in fact the one quality which the two share in my view is their shear will and mentality. In my humble opinion, no one beats the Ali who defeated Cleveland Williams in his peak, you watch that fight and it’s not violence, it’s poetry. When Ali lost his legs and some of his best years, I think there is a higher probability of competing with that man.

Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, Earnie Shavers, Lennox Lewis and Iron Mike + many others were all beaten, they’re not as invincible as you’re making them out to be. The likes of Oliver Mcall, Hashim Rahman, Buster Douglas and others caused upsets did they not, Fury is far more dynamic and versatile than these names.

I mentioned Foreman because you were fixated on the shape of these men, he had success partly because of his heavy hands but also his Jab, to have a great Jab you need to be fundamentally sound, so skills are pivotal in any era and fighters who respect their basic tools age better then reflex/explosive fighters.

It’s all narrow minded hindsight, Fury was the under dog and Wlad was unbeaten for 11 years or so. He struggled with the one name who could match him in size and exceed him in skill, he was the lineal champion and at his best, he simply got beat by the better fighter. It wasn’t a lucky punch or something like that, he got outboxed for 12 rounds and had no answer, in fact he almost beat Anthony Joshua at his best in his youth, but failed due to his lack of killer instinct during the fight. Wlad took great care of himself and he is one of the few fighters who got better with age and experience under the teaching of Emanual Steward and the Kronx gym, early in his career his stance was too square and his defence was leaky, he had a poor jab and couldn’t put any torque into his output.

It was a glorified exhibition and if you understand boxing and its rules, Ngannu never won that, and that was Fury in his worst shape and form in years, I believe Usyk has decent odds in Feb due to the lack of activity and poor conditioning of Fury. But anyway we don’t judge Lewis on Hashim Rahman or Iron Mike on Douglas or Ali on Antonio Inoki do we.

I think this era of HW boxing is not appreciated, it would be if you followed the Klitchko era.

With that being said the golden era and 90’s boxing was enthralling, I’m not saying every single fighter active would be champion in those periods but the likes of Fury, AJ, Usyk and Wilder in their peak form would compete with the very best.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I don’t believe I said he beats Ali did I, I said he gives trouble to any HW in history, in fact the one quality which the two share in my view is their shear will and mentality. In my humble opinion, no one beats the Ali who defeated Cleveland Williams in his peak, you watch that fight and it’s not violence, it’s poetry. When Ali lost his legs and some of his best years, I think there is a higher probability of competing with that man.

Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, Earnie Shavers, Lennox Lewis and Iron Mike + many others were all beaten, they’re not as invincible as you’re making them out to be. The likes of Oliver Mcall, Hashim Rahman, Buster Douglas and others caused upsets did they not, Fury is far more dynamic and versatile than these names.

I mentioned Foreman because you were fixated on the shape of these men, he had success partly because of his heavy hands but also his Jab, to have a great Jab you need to be fundamentally sound, so skills are pivotal in any era and fighters who respect their basic tools age better then reflex/explosive fighters.

It’s all narrow minded hindsight, Fury was the under dog and Wlad was unbeaten for 11 years or so. He struggled with the one name who could match him in size and exceed him in skill, he was the lineal champion and at his best, he simply got beat by the better fighter. It wasn’t a lucky punch or something like that, he got outboxed for 12 rounds and had no answer, in fact he almost beat Anthony Joshua at his best in his youth, but failed due to his lack of killer instinct during the fight. Wlad took great care of himself and he is one of the few fighters who got better with age and experience under the teaching of Emanual Steward and the Kronx gym, early in his career his stance was too square and his defence was leaky, he had a poor jab and couldn’t put any torque into his output.

It was a glorified exhibition and if you understand boxing and its rules, Ngannu never won that, and that was Fury in his worst shape and form in years, I believe Usyk has decent odds in Feb due to the lack of activity and poor conditioning of Fury. But anyway we don’t judge Lewis on Hashim Rahman or Iron Mike on Douglas or Ali on Antonio Inoki do we.

I think this era of HW boxing is not appreciated, it would be if you followed the Klitchko era.

With that being said the golden era and 90’s boxing was enthralling, I’m not saying every single fighter active would be champion in those periods but the likes of Fury, AJ, Usyk and Wilder in their peak form would compete with the very best.

It seems you have a great knowledge of boxing. Really amazed by your knowledge but you should know bro, Klitschko were great and Tyson is average solely because he do a lot of grappling like Ali used to do in the fag end of his career when he did not have much left in the tank. Never seen fury to be bold enough to take on the opponent with his offensive like Ali used to do during his first stint as champion with no defense and hand always lying low instead of being in a defensive position.

 

[shaz619]

It seems you have a great knowledge of boxing. Really amazed by your knowledge but you should know bro, Klitschko were great and Tyson is average solely because he do a lot of grappling like Ali used to do in the fag end of his career when he did not have much left in the tank. Never seen fury to be bold enough to take on the opponent with his offensive like Ali used to do during his first stint as champion with no defense and hand always lying low instead of being in a defensive position.

Klitchko’s used the clinch to, jab, grab, right hand; he dominated an era like that against the weakest set of HW’s in history. Part of being a good fighter is knowing how and when to clinch. You would see a dramatic increase in KO’s if you think fighting with your hands low is a good tactic. No Boxing gym will ever encourage that because you risk blood clot in the brain. Gifted boxer’s with natural ability, great reflex’s and excellent footwork can employ such tactics, I’ve seen Fury fight like that many times, he keeps his jab loose so he can feint and counter, he adapted his style to fight more defensively that way until he joined the Kronx gym and began to sit more on his punches, and the second fight with Wilder should highlight that and his ability to adapt. Anyway, it’s futile comparing anyone to peak Ali skill for skill because he had it all, but what we can discuss is who would be able to compete with him in their best form and what would they need to have.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

but what we can discuss is who would be able to compete with him in their best form and what would they need to have.

So who in your sight are ones that could give him a run for his money in his peak? You can quote boxer from any era.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Don’t know anything about boxing but it is interesting to see that boxing fans also suffer from the “past was better” syndrome.

It appears that this syndrome is universal among all sports.

It exists in a lot of sports

Nobody better than Babe Ruth in baseball

Nobody better than Wayne Gretzky in ice hockey

I think tennis is free of it, somewhat.

I don't remember anyone having an issue with calling Federer GOAT and he was easily accepted by tennis fans as such.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

The current era in the heavy weight division is the worst I've seen hands down.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Fury can box but his resume is weak. He beat Klitc at the end of his career, but it was a good performance. He beat Wilder x 3, who only has a right hand and nothing else, as saw v Parker recently.

I think Ali beat around 20 world champions. In sport you are only as a good as the opposition you beat.

 

[ElRaja]

Fury can box but his resume is weak. He beat Klitc at the end of his career, but it was a good performance. He beat Wilder x 3, who only has a right hand and nothing else, as saw v Parker recently.

I think Ali beat around 20 world champions. In sport you are only as a good as the opposition you beat.

but once the usyk fight is done then it cant be said that hes really dodged anyone. also pre covid wilder was another beast, this wilder has lost that belief, also wilder was never fast but hes even slower now, i dont think parker could have beaten peak wilder.

his resume is not amazing but its not fair to compare him to ali, that was a completely different era, i dont think hes a top 5 atg heavyweight, but as ive said before, peak fury would have been a problem for lots of historic fighters across the eras, but guys like foreman, listen, lennox, etc would pbly have him.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don’t know anything about boxing but it is interesting to see that boxing fans also suffer from the “past was better” syndrome.

It appears that this syndrome is universal among all sports.

Past was better as far as boxing is concerned. There was one world champ then if you wanted to be the champ you had to beat him.

 

[topspin]

Yep, that syndrome is universal but in case of boxing it's a no brainer because boxers in past were infact superior due to their better technique and better physique and anybody could second that

Just like anybody could acknowledge that the Arsenal side of 2004 comprising of likes of Thiery Henry and Robert Pires is better than the current lot.

Spot on. ( You Nailed it)

 

[KingKhanWC]

but once the usyk fight is done then it cant be said that hes really dodged anyone. also pre covid wilder was another beast, this wilder has lost that belief, also wilder was never fast but hes even slower now, i dont think parker could have beaten peak wilder.

his resume is not amazing but its not fair to compare him to ali, that was a completely different era, i dont think hes a top 5 atg heavyweight, but as ive said before, peak fury would have been a problem for lots of historic fighters across the eras, but guys like foreman, listen, lennox, etc would pbly have him.

No comparison to Ali, its impossible to do so. Ali was so good he would be HW champ in 1860, 1960 or 2060 or any era born in.

Fury for such huge guy is very nimble on his feet, can move his head quick and decent speed. It would be interesting to watch him in a different era but in the past fights would continue even with huge punishment, those guys could take serious beatings. Im not sure Fury has been tested like this at all atm.

Uysk is a great technical boxer but lacks serious power. Whoever lands the most shots will win this fight on points. I think it could be a split decision in Uysks favour.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

No comparison to Ali, its impossible to do so. Ali was so good he would be HW champ in 1860, 1960 or 2060 or any era born in.

Fury for such huge guy is very nimble on his feet, can move his head quick and decent speed. It would be interesting to watch him in a different era but in the past fights would continue even with huge punishment, those guys could take serious beatings. Im not sure Fury has been tested like this at all atm.

Uysk is a great technical boxer but lacks serious power. Whoever lands the most shots will win this fight on points. I think it could be a split decision in Uysks favour.

Ali is the GOAT and totally agree on your forecast on Usyk vs Fury.

 

[ElRaja]

No comparison to Ali, its impossible to do so. Ali was so good he would be HW champ in 1860, 1960 or 2060 or any era born in.

Fury for such huge guy is very nimble on his feet, can move his head quick and decent speed. It would be interesting to watch him in a different era but in the past fights would continue even with huge punishment, those guys could take serious beatings. Im not sure Fury has been tested like this at all atm.

Uysk is a great technical boxer but lacks serious power. Whoever lands the most shots will win this fight on points. I think it could be a split decision in Uysks favour.

all boxers in that era took more punishment, they didnt have a lot of money, unless you got lots of fights and lots of wins you were not well off, they also had much less idea about the long term damage from concussive hits, so they were more fearless.

usyk is evasive and technical, but fury will just lean on him for 6 or 7 rounds then try to pummel him with body shots, refs will be pro fury so he'll pbly get away with some sneaky blows too, i reckon fury wins a late KO.

 

[shaz619]

but once the usyk fight is done then it cant be said that hes really dodged anyone. also pre covid wilder was another beast, this wilder has lost that belief, also wilder was never fast but hes even slower now, i dont think parker could have beaten peak wilder.

his resume is not amazing but its not fair to compare him to ali, that was a completely different era, i dont think hes a top 5 atg heavyweight, but as ive said before, peak fury would have been a problem for lots of historic fighters across the eras, but guys like foreman, listen, lennox, etc would pbly have him.

I think the resume is outstanding, facing Wilder 3x in his peak form alone surpasses what any other HW has accomplished this era, we’re talking one of the biggest punchers of all time who was largely avoided by other so called champions who were busying padding their record with tailor made opponents. In about a few months he’d have fought Wladmir, Wilder and Usyk in their peak form. When he fought Wilder it was no.1 v no.2, and that too after a long lay off and abuse of his body / spirit taking years off his prime. The third fight with Wilder was brutal, the punishment both sustained was going take its toll, Wilder is done and I think Usyk is got his best chance against Fury now more than ever.

 

[shaz619]

No comparison to Ali, its impossible to do so. Ali was so good he would be HW champ in 1860, 1960 or 2060 or any era born in.

Fury for such huge guy is very nimble on his feet, can move his head quick and decent speed. It would be interesting to watch him in a different era but in the past fights would continue even with huge punishment, those guys could take serious beatings. Im not sure Fury has been tested like this at all atm.

Uysk is a great technical boxer but lacks serious power. Whoever lands the most shots will win this fight on points. I think it could be a split decision in Uysks favour.

Under Peter Fury and Ben Davison he fought a lot more defensively and further developed his lateral movement / use of his boxing IQ. I believe the athleticism was always there based on his talent from the amateurs, but he coasted through the domestic scene with his size/weight and durability, he could afford to do it because he was overlooked for Team GB. Training with the Kronx gym he has been sitting on his punches a lot more and planting his feet, they didn’t have him fighting that way, he took the tactics to the best gym for developing some of the hardest hitters in Boxing history, it takes some talent to have that vision. His achilles heel is discipline, motivation and conditioning, with all that talent and ability nobody can teach him Boxing better than him, in excellent ring condition he doesn’t give anybody a hard night and that mental resilience is up their with the best imo Emmanuel Steward saw it from a single camp with him.

Comparing different era’s is always difficult but it’s easy to make a case for Ali’s invincibility in his best form

 

[shaz619]

all boxers in that era took more punishment, they didnt have a lot of money, unless you got lots of fights and lots of wins you were not well off, they also had much less idea about the long term damage from concussive hits, so they were more fearless.

usyk is evasive and technical, but fury will just lean on him for 6 or 7 rounds then try to pummel him with body shots, refs will be pro fury so he'll pbly get away with some sneaky blows too, i reckon fury wins a late KO.

They did but the toughness, mental fortitude, chin and self belief of Ali was almost inhuman, nobody else took the level of punishment he did past his best, and towards the end he was fighting on with Parkinsons.

Ali was never beaten in his peak and that was purely on his technical and athletic superiority.

But it’s when he came back from suspension that truly cemented his greatness because you took away his physical tools, yet he still found a way.

I don’t want to make direct comparisons but Fury being written off similarly and coming back to be champion again is vastly overlooked, he should have been finished. If there was a quality somewhat comparable between the two it’s the self belief.

 

[ElRaja]

I think the resume is outstanding, facing Wilder 3x in his peak form alone surpasses what any other HW has accomplished this era, we’re talking one of the biggest punchers of all time who was largely avoided by other so called champions who were busying padding their record with tailor made opponents. In about a few months he’d have fought Wladmir, Wilder and Usyk in their peak form. When he fought Wilder it was no.1 v no.2, and that too after a long lay off and abuse of his body / spirit taking years off his prime. The third fight with Wilder was brutal, the punishment both sustained was going take its toll, Wilder is done and I think Usyk is got his best chance against Fury now more than ever.

its excellent for this era, its short of the standards of the golden era, also the paucity of fights is annoying, id like to think a top boxer should have at least 40 fights through his prime, fury might have had 15 and hes already looking like hes distracted and focusing on his post fight career.

 

[shaz619]

its excellent for this era, its short of the standards of the golden era, also the paucity of fights is annoying, id like to think a top boxer should have at least 40 fights through his prime, fury might have had 15 and hes already looking like hes distracted and focusing on his post fight career.

That’s a wider problem and money is at the heart of it, the game is a business more than ever and the politics are dangerous. Otherwise someone like a Crawford wouldn’t be sat on the couch after a landmark legacy win, he has expressed his frustrations many times and was willing to veto every advantage to make the biggest fight of 2023. Some of this is self inflicted across the sport, but the general activity levels are underwhelming on the whole.

 

[ElRaja]

That’s a wider problem and money is at the heart of it, the game is a business more than ever and the politics are dangerous. Otherwise someone like a Crawford wouldn’t be sat on the couch after a landmark legacy win, he has expressed his frustrations many times and was willing to veto every advantage to make the biggest fight of 2023. Some of this is self inflicted across the sport, but the general activity levels are underwhelming on the whole.

crawford is old school, wish there were more like him, dude seems like he has his head screwed on the right way. the Americans still have a higher work rate than this side of the pond, some of these guys work rates is a joke.

bivol, usyk and biterbiev averaging 2 fights a year. i know they have amateur pedigree but still. the saudis need to knuckle down and make a proper boxing league, get everyone fighting each other multiple times

take away the stigma of taking an L which is just stupid.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Under Peter Fury and Ben Davison he fought a lot more defensively and further developed his lateral movement / use of his boxing IQ. I believe the athleticism was always there based on his talent from the amateurs, but he coasted through the domestic scene with his size/weight and durability, he could afford to do it because he was overlooked for Team GB. Training with the Kronx gym he has been sitting on his punches a lot more and planting his feet, they didn’t have him fighting that way, he took the tactics to the best gym for developing some of the hardest hitters in Boxing history, it takes some talent to have that vision. His achilles heel is discipline, motivation and conditioning, with all that talent and ability nobody can teach him Boxing better than him, in excellent ring condition he doesn’t give anybody a hard night and that mental resilience is up their with the best imo Emmanuel Steward saw it from a single camp with him.

Comparing different era’s is always difficult but it’s easy to make a case for Ali’s invincibility in his best form

Its interesting Fury is changing trainers, esp who have different fighting styles. Im assuming due to his vast experience and knowledge of boxing , Fury doesn't really need to be coached but wants the small details to be perfect. I think Fury is now able to adapt and change technique or fighting style to what is required against the opponent at the time.


The undisputed is a huge fight, the biggest HW fight in a long long time. In your view, will Fury go aggressive , try to knock out Uysk or will want to dominate the ring, use his defence and counter him? Or a bit of both?

 

[shaz619]

Its interesting Fury is changing trainers, esp who have different fighting styles. Im assuming due to his vast experience and knowledge of boxing , Fury doesn't really need to be coached but wants the small details to be perfect. I think Fury is now able to adapt and change technique or fighting style to what is required against the opponent at the time.


The undisputed is a huge fight, the biggest HW fight in a long long time. In your view, will Fury go aggressive , try to knock out Uysk or will want to dominate the ring, use his defence and counter him? Or a bit of both?

It’s like Floyd with Roger or his father, he knows what he is capable of but aligned himself with coaches/family who share his stylistic vision, and for his style he didn’t need to go nowhere else when you look at how his family fought. Yes and it’s a bit similar to football with him to some extent, sometimes a change can energise you like bringing in a new manager. Am afraid he’s at that point now where his relationship with Kronx is a bit stale, and with his more Hollywood obligations he has spent way too much time out the gym, and the lack of activity plays a part massively, because otherwise fighters of today (Terence Crawford aside) wont stay in the gym; during Ali’s suspension he was still training hard and getting high quality sparring, nobody can beat father time so his legs were bound to go and his reflex’s were going to decline, I get goosebumps thinking about his comeback which cemented his undisputed greatness. But going back to Fury now again, the time out the ring and doing reality, plus the tough trilogies with Wilder have taken their toll.

I think Fury is going to fight similar to Wilder 2/3, I hope it’s more 2 than 3. Use his jab to measure Usyk and press forward with it, and target the body. You’re right he could box off his back foot but it would surprise me for a man his size, he could employ those tactics and coast if he feels his form and fitness isn’t there, but I think he presses forward. Usyk is very shrewd and one of the dirtiest fighters out there because he knows the rules so well, and so does Fury. In Fury’s past form I’d have Fury as a big favourite but I think this genuinely a 50/50 now because I don’t think Fury is in the best form and the decline, I could be wrong, I have it as a 50/50 because I wont doubt his mental resilience

 

[The Bald Eagle]

There are many reasons but the main reason imo , they fight for money and only pick and choose their fights.

There wasnt huge money in Ali's days esp the early days. Boxers had no choice but to fight the best because only by becoming World Champ would you become wealthy. Now you have youtubers who cant throw a straight right, making millions fighting some other youtuber bum.

Fury is good, Uysk is good but the rest are bums, no doubt about it. However Fury and Uysk wouldnt be champions imo in the 90s against the likes of Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield.. In the 50/60/70s, they would non existant, the quality of the HW in that era was on another level.

That’s a wider problem and money is at the heart of it, the game is a business more than ever and the politics are dangerous. Otherwise someone like a Crawford wouldn’t be sat on the couch after a landmark legacy win, he has expressed his frustrations many times and was willing to veto every advantage to make the biggest fight of 2023. Some of this is self inflicted across the sport, but the general activity levels are underwhelming on the whole.

Guys it appears that Usyk is going to avenge the loss of Vladmir Klitschko against Fury like Mike Tyson avenged Ali loss against Larry holmes
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Usyk On Fury: “I Have Been Preparing For Him Since I Started Professional Boxing”

After nine years of studying, a student should be able to pass the exam, the test……if he has the tools to do so. And so it is with Oleksandr Usyk, who has revealed how he has been studying and preparing for Tyson Fury for nine long years, since the day Fury upset Usyk’s countryman Wladimir Klitschko to become world heavyweight champion. 0 seconds of 1 minute, 55 secondsVolume 0% Loading ad Usyk, speaking with just three weeks to go until he and Fury will finally meet, this with all four heavyweight belts on the line, the fight to take place in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, says he began preparing to fight both Fury and Anthony Joshua in 2015. “I’ve been preparing for this fight for a few years now, since he beat Wladimir,” Usyk said of the upcoming, historic fight with Fury. “He didn’t know about me back then because I wasn’t famous in the world of boxing, but I have been preparing for him and Anthony Joshua from the very beginning.

Since I started professional boxing.” If this is indeed the case – and there really is no reason to doubt Usyk, who said even before he had won a world title at cruiserweight that his goal was to become world heavyweight champion – the southpaw from Ukraine should know Fury, 34-0-1(24) like the back of his hand. Usyk, a man with a proven boxing IQ, a superior boxing IQ, will have a game plan (or game plans) in place for how to beat Fury, his vast homework having seen to it that he knows all of Fury’s moves and techniques. But here’s the thing – has Usyk got the physical tools needed to beat Fury? Simply put, is Usyk physically big enough for the task at hand? Read: Another Mike Tyson Comeback? Fight With MMA Star Fedor Emelianenko Supposedly Under Discussion It really is a fascinating match up and we fans have waited so long to see it happen.

Finally it’s here, and Usyk more than anyone will be relieved to be in that ring with Fury at long last. Some people believe intense prep work and hard training for a fight is harder than the actual fight itself. If this is the case here, Usyk, 21-0(14) will win hands down. But there could, in fact there almost certainly will be more to this fight than which of the two rival champions prepared the best. The closer this fight gets, the more the fans and experts seem to have changed their opinion on who wins and how. It is so tough to pick a winner here, as it is tough predicting just HOW the winner prevails. Will we see a distance fight or will one guy get stopped, or even quit? Three weeks today we will be just a few hours away from getting our answer(s

Source: Boxing News 24/7

 

[shaz619]

Guys it appears that Usyk is going to avenge the loss of Vladmir Klitschko against Fury like Mike Tyson avenged Ali loss against Larry holmes
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Usyk On Fury: “I Have Been Preparing For Him Since I Started Professional Boxing”

After nine years of studying, a student should be able to pass the exam, the test……if he has the tools to do so. And so it is with Oleksandr Usyk, who has revealed how he has been studying and preparing for Tyson Fury for nine long years, since the day Fury upset Usyk’s countryman Wladimir Klitschko to become world heavyweight champion. 0 seconds of 1 minute, 55 secondsVolume 0% Loading ad Usyk, speaking with just three weeks to go until he and Fury will finally meet, this with all four heavyweight belts on the line, the fight to take place in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, says he began preparing to fight both Fury and Anthony Joshua in 2015. “I’ve been preparing for this fight for a few years now, since he beat Wladimir,” Usyk said of the upcoming, historic fight with Fury. “He didn’t know about me back then because I wasn’t famous in the world of boxing, but I have been preparing for him and Anthony Joshua from the very beginning.

Since I started professional boxing.” If this is indeed the case – and there really is no reason to doubt Usyk, who said even before he had won a world title at cruiserweight that his goal was to become world heavyweight champion – the southpaw from Ukraine should know Fury, 34-0-1(24) like the back of his hand. Usyk, a man with a proven boxing IQ, a superior boxing IQ, will have a game plan (or game plans) in place for how to beat Fury, his vast homework having seen to it that he knows all of Fury’s moves and techniques. But here’s the thing – has Usyk got the physical tools needed to beat Fury? Simply put, is Usyk physically big enough for the task at hand? Read: Another Mike Tyson Comeback? Fight With MMA Star Fedor Emelianenko Supposedly Under Discussion It really is a fascinating match up and we fans have waited so long to see it happen.

Finally it’s here, and Usyk more than anyone will be relieved to be in that ring with Fury at long last. Some people believe intense prep work and hard training for a fight is harder than the actual fight itself. If this is the case here, Usyk, 21-0(14) will win hands down. But there could, in fact there almost certainly will be more to this fight than which of the two rival champions prepared the best. The closer this fight gets, the more the fans and experts seem to have changed their opinion on who wins and how. It is so tough to pick a winner here, as it is tough predicting just HOW the winner prevails. Will we see a distance fight or will one guy get stopped, or even quit? Three weeks today we will be just a few hours away from getting our answer(s

Source: Boxing News 24/7

I listened to the interview, it’s not like that. But Usyk does take fight jibes to heart, I think we will see the best version of him and he will be prepared for 12 rounds, but will press for the stoppage late. Fury has a care free attitude towards this fight he is hard to read at times but a I do feel deep down he is underestimating Usyk, and his last fight approach and lack of professionalism was not ideal either. In his best form be runs through these guys, how can you get out the silk sheets to be more motivated. But maybe the recent criticism will somewhat help change the mindset

 

[The Bald Eagle]

My heart says Usyk will win but my mind says it would be Fury.

I listened to the interview, it’s not like that. But Usyk does take fight jibes to heart, I think we will see the best version of him and he will be prepared for 12 rounds, but will press for the stoppage late. Fury has a care free attitude towards this fight he is hard to read at times but a I do feel deep down he is underestimating Usyk, and his last fight approach and lack of professionalism was not ideal either. In his best form be runs through these guys, how can you get out the silk sheets to be more motivated. But maybe the recent criticism will somewhat help change the mindset

 

[shaz619]

My heart says Usyk will win but my mind says it would be Fury.

I don’t think one is overwhelming favourite, and Fury’s last performance has tilted the scales a bit. In any case you have to admire both, it has taken 24 years to get here if you’re into the alphabet titles, though I considered Fury/Wilder to be for the lineal HW championship which goes back to your Ali, Jack Johnson, Joe Louis and John L Sullivan; but this fight is for all the marbles, a rarity, the belts will be split again after this so we should relish the moment

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I don’t think one is overwhelming favourite, and Fury’s last performance has tilted the scales a bit. In any case you have to admire both, it has taken 24 years to get here if you’re into the alphabet titles, though I considered Fury/Wilder to be for the lineal HW championship which goes back to your Ali, Jack Johnson, Joe Louis and John L Sullivan; but this fight is for all the marbles, a rarity, the belts will be split again after this so we should relish the moment

Finally they are going to fight this month

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Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk's fight for the undisputed heavyweight title will be broadcast live on Sky Sports Box Office on Saturday February 17.

The 'Ring of Fire' fight will take place at the Kingdom Arena in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and is the biggest fight that can be made in boxing.

Between them, Fury and Usyk hold all four of the major heavyweight world titles, making this the most anticipated fight in 25 years.

The winner stands to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion since Lennox Lewis beat Evander Holyfield in November 1999.

Sky Sports Managing Director, Jonathan Licht, said: "Sky Sports is the undisputed home for sports fans, and with our long history of broadcasting the biggest bouts in boxing history, it's only right we're bringing the most anticipated fight in 25 years to our customers.

"With Fury v Usyk, as well as two further world championship fights on the card, it's set to be a truly momentous occasion and we can't wait to watch."

Source: Sky Sports

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Tyson Fury's undisputed world heavyweight title fight against Oleksandr Usyk has been postponed after the Briton sustained a "freak" cut in training.

Fury, 35, was cut in sparring at his training camp in Saudi Arabia on Friday in preparation for the bout on 17 February in Riyadh.

The injury needed "urgent medical attention" and "significant stitching".

In a statement,, external Fury said he was "absolutely devastated".

Fury is the WBC champion with Ukraine's Usyk, 36, holding the WBA, WBO and IBF belts.


BBC

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Fury would be good in every era despite of his physique and Ali would be the top guy in every era as well.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Fury has milked this shocking era. Not in my top 10 of all time. No chance

 

[KingKhanWC]

Tyson Fury's undisputed world heavyweight title fight against Oleksandr Usyk has been postponed after the Briton sustained a "freak" cut in training.

Fury, 35, was cut in sparring at his training camp in Saudi Arabia on Friday in preparation for the bout on 17 February in Riyadh.

The injury needed "urgent medical attention" and "significant stitching".

In a statement,, external Fury said he was "absolutely devastated".

Fury is the WBC champion with Ukraine's Usyk, 36, holding the WBA, WBO and IBF belts.


BBC

The cut looks pretty deep, not sure what gloves were being used or if it was a head clash. I would say at least 6 week delay, which is a real shame as this is the biggest HW clash in decades.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Here is the footage from Seconds Out media.

The short uppercut got through the head guard. Surprised the cut was so deep but can happen.

 

[shaz619]

Here is the footage from Seconds Out media.

The short uppercut got through the head guard. Surprised the cut was so deep but can happen.

It would appear there was a short elbow in there.

Don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist but personally, I wasn’t confident it would happen. I just didn’t feel Fury had enough time, given how he has spent the past 12 months idle. His father on the record has said he needs one more camp, I hope they use this time to their advantage.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It would appear there was a short elbow in there.

Don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist but personally, I wasn’t confident it would happen. I just didn’t feel Fury had enough time, given how he has spent the past 12 months idle. His father on the record has said he needs one more camp, I hope they use this time to their advantage.

Yes it does seem to be an elbow, hence the deep cut. I get your point, he's up against a P4P great but Fury was making his biggest purse to date, some saying upto $50 million. As you know anything can happen in this sport, Uysk could get injured by April/May, the war could expand in the middle east etc, it could be a big risk.

How long do you think he would need to recover from this cut and be ready to fight?

Ive heard the undercard could still go ahead, I wonder if the Saudis are angry enough to offer someone else the title shot v Uysk. It would be tough with only 2 weeks to go but you never know.

Overall a real shame for boxing fans, was excited for this HW undisputed fight.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Very exciting ad this is for a much anticipated battle between Fury and Usyk.

 

[shaz619]

Yes it does seem to be an elbow, hence the deep cut. I get your point, he's up against a P4P great but Fury was making his biggest purse to date, some saying upto $50 million. As you know anything can happen in this sport, Uysk could get injured by April/May, the war could expand in the middle east etc, it could be a big risk.

How long do you think he would need to recover from this cut and be ready to fight?

Ive heard the undercard could still go ahead, I wonder if the Saudis are angry enough to offer someone else the title shot v Uysk. It would be tough with only 2 weeks to go but you never know.

Overall a real shame for boxing fans, was excited for this HW undisputed fight.

Yes, the money on the line certainly would make you think they’d do all they can to make sure it happens at all costs. At the same time I think they are fully aware of where Fury is at currently and what they’re up against, I am actually a little more hopeful and optimistic for Fury’s chances providing they use their time wisely.

Usyk - Terrific fighter, but he’s not the gentleman he makes out to be, he’s as dirty as they come, part of being a high IQ fighter is being dirty within the confines of the rules and he fully exploited them against Dubois, and I can’t stand the Ukraine narrative and doing it for my country blah blah.

I would say absolute minimum would be 2 months, he can still body spar and other non-contact drills. In the 3rd month I’d expect a plan in place for sparring to resume.

I was starting to get more interested in it myself, but at the same time am hoping for a more competitive fight now, but as the old saying goes I”ll believe it when I see them in the ring.

There’s talk of giving Hrgovic his mandatory shot but I agree it would be an emotional reaction, they will be very upset the saudis but they have a good working relationship with Fury, he’s done stuff with them well before the Boxing came about through the WWE. Team Fury have done the right thing ino they getting a lot of stick, but it’s a huge fight, you need to be in a position to say you trusted your prep.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk: Heavyweight fight rescheduled for May 18 after Brit suffered cut in sparring​

'Ring of Fire' fight to crown undisputed heavyweight champion was postponed after Tyson Fury suffered a cut in sparring; Fury had been due to meet Oleksandr Usyk on Saturday February 17; the bout will now take place in Saudi Arabia on May 18​

Tyson Fury's undisputed heavyweight world title clash with Oleksandr Usyk has been rescheduled for May 18 after the fight was postponed because of a cut to the British boxer.

Source : Sky Sports

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Carl Froch is sceptical that Tyson Fury will be ready to face Oleksandr Usyk in May after suffering a nasty cut in training.

The pair were due to meet to become the undisputed heavyweight champion on February 17.
However, a large cut Fury sustained in sparring forced the bout to be cancelled.

The fight, which is taking place in Saudi Arabia, was quickly moved to a date in May - just over a three month delay. The Gypsy King will need the cut to heal in order to get back to full training and Froch told talkSPORT that the new date should be taken with a pinch of salt.

He said: “The date they’ve announced is really convenient. Everybody's upset, infuriated and deflated that this undisputed everywhere title fight's not happening. So what do they do? They come out with a date of May 18.

Saudis tells Fury and Usyk exactly how much they will forfeit if they pull out

Usyk's promoter finds old Fury tweet in which he ripped into Haye when cut postponed fight
“Take that with a pinch of salt. They're giving us something to think about. They're giving us something to talk about and to keep the dream alive and keep all the fans intrigued.

“That date is something that's been plucked out of the air and I think we're being paid lip service because you can't say May 18 because you don't know what Fury is going to be doing now for the next two months and how that eye's going to heal.

“It's nice that they've got a date and they've put it in there and they still want it to happen but, to be honest, I don't get excited when I hear that.”

Froch also expressed concerns over Fury in recent fights and thinks he is 'on the slide'.

Source: talkSPORT

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Usyk’s Sacrifice Fuels Fury Fight Fire: “Scared Or Injured?"

Unified heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk says he missed out on his daughter’s birth last January due to his training to battle WBC champion Tyson Fury, who was injured and couldn’t face him on the February 17th date. 566.9K Top 10 Action Movies Based on Real-Life Events Sacrifice and Suspicion Usyk says he believes the 35-year-old Fury is “scared” of fighting him, which is the general belief that fans have, too. Oleksandr says he doesn’t believe Fury was injured by an elbow from his sparring partner.

He says the video shows Fury being hit with an uppercut with the fist landing, not the elbow. There’s fan speculation that the video doesn’t show the instant Fury was injured, as there’s no blood or closeups. It looked like Fury got hit with a big shot and needed a timeout because he got clocked at close range by the short but powerful sparring partner. The Fury-Usyk undisputed heavyweight clash has now been rescheduled for May 18th at the Kingdom Arena in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and the hopes are that Fury (34-0-1, 24 KOs) doesn’t suffer yet another injury, spoiling the hard work and sacrifice IBF/WBA/WBO champ Usyk is making.

Usyk Camp Erupts: Klimas Unleashes Fury Insults After Postponement “Scared” Accusations and Fan Sentiment “It was a punch with a fist. You can see the direction of the elbow. It was following the fist afterward, but it’s difficult to read it from the video,” said Oleksandr Usyk to Boxing King Media when asked if he thinks an elbow caused Tyson Fury’s cut. Fury looked in good shape in the video, so it is clearly recent footage, but there’s a lot of doubt about this being where the injury occurred. Also, Fury’s cut has moved from the right side to the left side of his eye, making some fans wonder whether the initial photo was doctored.

“You can see there was a clear uppercut [from Fury’s sparring partner], but whether it caused the cut, we don’t know. I don’t know if he wants to fight me or not, but the fact that he’s scared is real,” said Usyk when asked if he thinks Fury is a coward and doesn’t want to fight him. “A huge gratitude for Mr. Turki for what he’s doing and what he’s sacrificing to make this huge fight happen,” said Usyk, reacting to being told that His Excellency is putting off his treatment for his illness in order to make the Fury-Usyk event happen on May 18th.

Source: Boxing News 24

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I don't know why but it appears that Fury is afraid of Usyk and Joshua. Multiple times in the past he has dodged them and is still avoiding them on different pretexts.

 

[shaz619]

I don't know why but it appears that Fury is afraid of Usyk and Joshua. Multiple times in the past he has dodged them and is still avoiding them on different pretexts.

It’s ridiculous to suggest that, he fought the most dangerous puncher in the division three times, and if you watched the last one they had it was barbaric brutality. When Joshua was champion he ducked no.2 and delayed undisputed. Wilder gets stick for his resume but a lot of these top names didn’t want to face him. Joshua and his team have largely berated Fury and never gave him the time of day, now the shoe is on the other foot and they have no leverage so unless the landscape changes or they want to do him a charity he has not earned, it is futile to bring him in the conversation. As for Usyk they are fighting soon, Fury has fought the number uno on multiple occasions and is the lynch pin of the division

 

[NishanKonar]

Tbf the greatest team ever would definitely be the w.indies side between 1976 to 87 88


4 pronged attack was untouchable. In saying that, there are great teams in every era.

This like comparing Mike tyson vs tyson fury or usyk all over again.all great fighters of their era. Would do well in any era. H2h we have no idea about how things will unfold. You are a product of your time. I do think Aussies of 2000 to 2008 are a tad bit overrated. W indies of 80s were more dominant.

This is the point. Muhammad Ali was GOAT of his era but he wud be cruiserweight in the 2020s. Can u imagine Muhammad Ali at 6ft 3 & 220 pounds vs 6ft 9 Tyson Fury at 275 pounds. It wud be walkover for Fury

 

[kron]

This is the point. Muhammad Ali was GOAT of his era but he wud be cruiserweight in the 2020s. Can u imagine Muhammad Ali at 6ft 3 & 220 pounds vs 6ft 9 Tyson Fury at 275 pounds. It wud be walkover for Fury

Tbf Ali would give him a tough fight imo. Those guys in 80s were nuts. Iron chin. Will power and top tier mental strength. It will be close.

 

[NishanKonar]

Tbf Ali would give him a tough fight imo. Those guys in 80s were nuts. Iron chin. Will power and top tier mental strength. It will be close.

A 6ft 9in guy weighting 275 pounds can never be over powered by a 6ft 3 in 220 pounds guys

Its simply not possible. Just like a welter weight will never get overpowered by a flyweight. Thats why we have different weight classes

In today's era Ali wud be in cruiserweight category - along with Frazier & Foreman. They are 3-4 inch shorter & atleast 40-50 pounds lighter than modern day heavyweights

 

[kron]

A 6ft 9in guy weighting 275 pounds can never be over powered by a 6ft 3 in 220 pounds guys

Its simply not possible. Just like a welter weight will never get overpowered by a flyweight. Thats why we have different weight classes

In today's era Ali wud be in cruiserweight category - along with Frazier & Foreman. They are 3-4 inch shorter & atleast 40-50 pounds lighter than modern day heavyweights

Ah nha man. Usyk isn't a big guy himself. Only 105 kg. Around the same as prime tyson. He is about 6'2.
He is easily top 2 right now.

Size after a certain point doesn't matter. A top heavyweights weight operates best around 235 to 250 lbs if you judge by history. There are some exceptions to the rule.

And furry is fat at 275. Lean he is now where near that weight. 255 Max.

Also, Foreman was a monster dude. He was huge. Easily close to 250 260 in his peak. He would destroy many fighters of current era.

 

[NishanKonar]

Ah nha man. Usyk isn't a big guy himself. Only 105 kg. Around the same as prime tyson. He is about 6'2.
He is easily top 2 right now.

Size after a certain point doesn't matter. A top heavyweights weight operates best around 235 to 250 lbs if you judge by history. There are some exceptions to the rule.

And furry is fat at 275. Lean he is now where near that weight. 255 Max.

Also, Foreman was a monster dude. He was huge. Easily close to 250 260 in his peak. He would destroy many fighters of current era.

George Foreman wud probably make the cut. But I have doubts over Frazier & Ali

Usyk is more of a cruiserweight who beat Joshua ( who is - lets be honest - more hype than substance) but I wud want to see his fight against Tyson Fury before passing a judgement

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Nope prime Ali would also have flattened him.

George Foreman wud probably make the cut. But I have doubts over Frazier & Ali

Usyk is more of a cruiserweight who beat Joshua ( who is - lets be honest - more hype than substance) but I wud want to see his fight against Tyson Fury before passing a judgement

 

[The Bald Eagle]

To watch prime Ali fight is no less than a treat.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Its USYK Vs TYSON today, predict your winner guys!

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Usyk late stoppage or majority points win.

 

[Bewal Express]

Great fight. Two warriors and neither deserved to lose

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well done Little Rabbit middleweight - well deserved

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Usyk wil totally school him in rematch

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Usyk beats Fury by split decision

There is so much respect being shown between the pair now as they are interviewed in the ring.

We'll bring you all the top lines.

Usyk was undisputed at cruiserweight and he is now undisputed at heavyweight.

Does he go down as one of the best pound-for-pound boxers of a ll time?

Source: BBC

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oleksandr Usyk's incredible CV

Olympic Gold Medalist
World Championships Gold Medalist
WBO World Cruiserweight Title
WBA World Cruiserweight Title
WBC World Cruiserweight Title
IBF World Cruiserweight Title
Ring Magazine World Cruiserweight Title
World Boxing Super Series Cruiserweight Title
WBO World Heavyweight Title
WBA World Heavyweight Title
WBC World Heavyweight Title
IBF World Heavyweight Title
Ring Magazine Heavyweight Title

One of the best to ever do it

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Oleksandr Usyk's incredible CV

Olympic Gold Medalist
World Championships Gold Medalist
WBO World Cruiserweight Title
WBA World Cruiserweight Title
WBC World Cruiserweight Title
IBF World Cruiserweight Title
Ring Magazine World Cruiserweight Title
World Boxing Super Series Cruiserweight Title
WBO World Heavyweight Title
WBA World Heavyweight Title
WBC World Heavyweight Title
IBF World Heavyweight Title
Ring Magazine Heavyweight Title

One of the best to ever do it

His footwork is incredible. Add that with his ring I.Q. Top performer