Please don't rush Mohammad Abbas into ODI cricket just yet!

[deems]

Yes I know he's bowling well and has control etc. It's way too early. My biggest fear will be seeing his name in the ODI series against NZ.
If he does well in the NZ test series then may be select him for the SA ODI series.
Please share your thoughts and opinions.

 

[Zakaz]

So you think he wont be a valuable member of the team for the world cup 2019?

 

[DRsohail]

cab be tried in ODI as openeing bowler.

 

[deems]

So you think he wont be a valuable member of the team for the world cup 2019?

Yes he can be but expectations always get the better of our cricketers. I know he's hardworking and humble etc but our public, media and fans are impatient and will be asking for his removal after 1 poor series.

I want Abbas to enjoy his success at test cricket and slowly be phased in ODI cricket. I'd much rather have him tried in the SA series so that we have a better judgement of him after the full home season(including NZ tests)
He's been brilliant so far but our selectors have a tendency to rush players into different formats only to be dropped altogether after a poor series.
Shadab and Babar are examples I want to refer to where they have cemented a spot in the LOIs but lack experience and exposure for test cricket. I'm glad they stuck with these guys but I feel it's only because they have Arthur's backing. Ideally, you'd want them to play 1 full first class season at least and then be brought back but our selectors lack planning and vision. I still feel they need to go back to domestic cricket especially shadab because he's nowhere near ready for test cricket as a bowler.

 

[Madplayer]

Can someone tell us about his LA record.

Recently he wasnt too impressive in the county t20 stint. Was expensive.

 

[Zakaz]

Can someone tell us about his LA record.

Recently he wasnt too impressive in the county t20 stint. Was expensive.

literally no bowler can be consitent in t20s, first rule of thumb, never judge bowlers based on their t20 outings.

 

[Rayyman]

I think Abbas can be a decent bowler in ODIs. Problem is, he can't bat or field. Which is unfortunate as Pakistan are already carrying Junaid, Shaheen (both start in XI) and Usman who are the same.

 

[Shafi]

That's the problem with PCB. Most likely we will see him in ODI and even in T20. They intend to play same 15 players in all 3 formats

 

[SARJ_BD]

I think we should groom following bowlers for 2019 WC
1. M Amir
2. M Abbas
3. Junaid k
4. Usman Shinwari
5. Shaheen Shah Afridi
6. Hasan Ali
7. Waqas Maqsood

5 of them shall be selected based on upcoming 1 year performance

 

[mak36]

There is a reason Anderson isn't part of the ODI team!

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Shouldn’t be picked

Logic needs to prevail here

He should play county and tests plus get a good psl payday. Should also get an A contract

 

[Fahdi]

I agree. Abbas is a test specialist in my opinion. I'd rather he spend his time playing 4 day tournaments like county rather than the ODI team.

But he may be useful in ODIs in helpful conditions, what I don't want is him getting involved in T20s in any capacity. No PSL or anything.

 

[Madplayer]

Shouldn’t be picked

Logic needs to prevail here

He should play county and tests plus get a good psl payday. Should also get an A contract

Why cant people understand this? This guy is too important for tests and should be wrapped in cotton wool. Find somebody else for LOIs.

 

[topspin]

There is a reason Anderson isn't part of the ODI team!

Hit the nail on the head.

Abbas doesn't have the variety to be an ODI bowler.

 

[Fahdi]

Shouldn’t be picked

Logic needs to prevail here

He should play county and tests plus get a good psl payday. Should also get an A contract

No PSL as well. Keep him away from T20s. Compensate him with a few crores for it

 

[ARK Rafay]

Keep him away from LOs for now. We have too many T20 bowlers.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

No PSL as well. Keep him away from T20s. Compensate him with a few crores for it

Pcb is too cheap for that

 

[Hawkeye]

T20s are a big no.

ODIs, I will only start him in the World Cup 2019. Not before that!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Get him in the ODI team as a matter of urgency. A good bowler is a good bowler, it's not as if Pakistan's current picks are doing well in that format. In fact the new ball efforts have been awful in recent history, I would think Abbas could use it much better.

 

[Mainul]

Yes he can be but expectations always get the better of our cricketers. I know he's hardworking and humble etc but our public, media and fans are impatient and will be asking for his removal after 1 poor series.

I want Abbas to enjoy his success at test cricket and slowly be phased in ODI cricket. I'd much rather have him tried in the SA series so that we have a better judgement of him after the full home season(including NZ tests)
He's been brilliant so far but our selectors have a tendency to rush players into different formats only to be dropped altogether after a poor series.
Shadab and Babar are examples I want to refer to where they have cemented a spot in the LOIs but lack experience and exposure for test cricket. I'm glad they stuck with these guys but I feel it's only because they have Arthur's backing. Ideally, you'd want them to play 1 full first class season at least and then be brought back but our selectors lack planning and vision. I still feel they need to go back to domestic cricket especially shadab because he's nowhere near ready for test cricket as a bowler.

I fully agree with you. Abbas should play world cup 2019 but should be in the team after playing 1 more test series.

 

[Mamoon]

What is the downside to this?

We are a third class team with third class bowlers, what is the worst that can happen if a bowler in red hot form gets a chance?

 

[Madplayer]

What is the downside to this?

We are a third class team with third class bowlers, what is the worst that can happen if a bowler in red hot form gets a chance?

Abbas loses his form, fitness and confidence in Tests if he fails in ODIs?

 

[Mamoon]

Abbas loses his form, fitness and confidence in Tests if he fails in ODIs?

If that happens, it will mean that he is mentally weak who cannot fight back after setbacks. If that is the case, same will happen to him eventually in Tests as well when he inevitably goes through a lean patch at some point.

He has given no indications yet that he lacks confidence. Strike when the iron is hit and see what he is made of in ODIs. Our bowling attack is poor and it needs a shake up.

 

[sali]

Rush him to ODI and let him learn so he is ready before WC. Pakistan hardly play test cricket and unless he is playing against top team like NZ, how would h elearn!

 

[Justcrazy]

He should be promoted to A grade contract .

He should be played in all Test Matches , and some of the OD , not all .

 

[topspin]

If that happens, it will mean that he is mentally weak who cannot fight back after setbacks. If that is the case, same will happen to him eventually in Tests as well when he inevitably goes through a lean patch at some point.

He has given no indications yet that he lacks confidence. Strike when the iron is hit and see what he is made of in ODIs. Our bowling attack is poor and it needs a shake up.

I'm not sure Abbas has the variety in his bowling arsenal to take wickets in ODIs.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm not sure Abbas has the variety in his bowling arsenal to take wickets in ODIs.

He can use the new ball, which is more than you can say for a lot of the current options.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Abbas can be handy for Pakistan's WC19 chances, nothing wrong in having someone like him in an 18 member squad. He may lose bite after ball gets old but against top heavy batting orders like India/Australia he can alter the course of the match in his 1st spell. Think about it had Pakistan managed to dislodge Shikhar Dhawan and Rohit in the recent Asia Cup matches, they had a serious chance of defending the target in at least 1 out of those 2 encounters.

 

[MMHS]

Why not? Next WC is in UK, and if he can give such 6-7 overs with new ball, more often than not Amir-Abbas pair will get most teams 2-3 down within Power Play. However, ODI is played with different ball, and at his pace if machine stitched balls don't move that much, he'll go for plenty, because guy bowls a perfect inviting length/line to hit through the line. He doesn't bat at all & doesn't field that well - if he plays ODIs, it's a MUST that he'll be trusted for 10 overs almost every innings. Imran used to bowl out 8-10 overs at opening spell by Aaquib, and that worked.

Once again - that ZIM series has earned PCT some stats to boast, but it was a total wastage.

 

[msb314]

If that happens, it will mean that he is mentally weak who cannot fight back after setbacks. If that is the case, same will happen to him eventually in Tests as well when he inevitably goes through a lean patch at some point.

He has given no indications yet that he lacks confidence. Strike when the iron is hit and see what he is made of in ODIs. Our bowling attack is poor and it needs a shake up.

Agree - Hassan and Shadab both need to be booted out for the time being.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

He is a line & length type of bowler. in Odi batsmen will attack him by coming down the track and with unorthodox shots. it might disturb his bowling style.

 

[Hawkeye]

What is the downside to this?

We are a third class team with third class bowlers, what is the worst that can happen if a bowler in red hot form gets a chance?

Umm.

There's a reason Hazlewood, Cummins, Siddle don't play ODIs.

You need Test specialists and Abbas is one.

 

[MMHS]

Umm.

There's a reason Hazlewood, Cummins, Siddle don't play ODIs.

You need Test specialists and Abbas is one.

True - but have you noticed, Aussies have picked Lyon in T20 series and I am sure he'll play some ODI before WC as well. Aussies have sensed that they do need a wicket taking spinner in middle overs and has picked an offie, who doesn't bat at all, at this age after playing handful of ODIs in like 7-8 years, and probably never played any T20I.

Abbas is strictly for WC19, that too because WC is in UK- 9 confirmed & may be 10-11 games and then he can retire from ODI. Bowling picks must be horses for courses basis, and the way he tamed Aussie left-handers, he'll trouble every bating lineup which has like 1-2 leftis in top 3.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There is a reason Anderson isn't part of the ODI team!

Jimmy has taken 269 ODI wickets at an average of 29. England changed their strategy of playing bowlers who could bat too.

Abbass is a wicket taker, wickets win you matches in any format. Pakistan need to bring in him ASAP, in the next ODI. All this talk of him losing form, injured is nonsense, we have the world cup coming up and need to look into any avenue to help us win it!

 

[Savak]

Pakistan needs wickets with the new ball. Abbas will be the answer and since the WC will be played in England, more crucial to quickly get him into the mix.

 

[Minnowbasher]

He would get smashed in odis. I can already picture Jason Roy hitting six 6s against him in an over.

 

[Hasan123]

May as well give him a chance. We are struggling to pick up wickets with the new ball. We can just use him with the new ball, he may have issues at the death and at the end of the innings but no harm in using him as a new ball specialist.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

He is not good enough for ODIs, at his pace he will be smashed all around the ground.

 

[Kroll]

Don't knock it till you try it.

 

[alized]

He would get smashed in odis. I can already picture Jason Roy hitting six 6s against him in an over.

You can't be serious. You've gotta be kidding.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ishant was hitting wonderful channel. Then IPL happened. Asif wasn't exactly a great ODI bowler. If anything batsmen will target him. It is best to keep him as a specialist Test bowler. He could mix up both and ruin his career.

 

[Mamoon]

Umm.

There's a reason Hazlewood, Cummins, Siddle don't play ODIs.

You need Test specialists and Abbas is one.

Hazlewood and Cummins are not Test specialists. They are both fixtures in Australia's first-choice ODI attack. In fact, Hazlewood (5th ranked at the moment) was the top ranked ODI bowler last year if I am not mistaken.

Siddle was dropped early in ODIs because he was very poor. The only reason he is playing this Test series is because Hazlewood and Cummins are not there, and he can bowl long spells.

If the likes of Amir and Hasan were taking wickets, there would have been no point in testing Abbas in ODIs. However, the former two cannot buy a wicket to save their lives, and Abbas cannot stop taking them these days. Pakistan should cash on his great form.

If he can nip the ball off the seam with the length that he is bowling, he will be a real handful in ODIs as well and will be hard to hit. However, if he fails, he fails - not a big deal, it is not as if our current bowlers in ODIs are not failing anyway.

I think he should play at the World Cup and bowl 7 overs up-front. If he can do that by taking a couple of wickets and economy rate a shade below 5, we can restrict teams below par totals. Amir cannot take wickets and Hasan gets smashed when he cannot find them, and perhaps Abbas can do both.

It is worth noting that we have no chance of winning the World Cup, but that does not mean that we should not play our best playing XI.

 

[Cric1234]

Hazlewood and Cummins are not Test specialists. They are both fixtures in Australia's first-choice ODI attack. In fact, Hazlewood (5th ranked at the moment) was the top ranked ODI bowler last year if I am not mistaken.

Siddle was dropped early in ODIs because he was very poor. The only reason he is playing this Test series is because Hazlewood and Cummins are not there, and he can bowl long spells.

If the likes of Amir and Hasan were taking wickets, there would have been no point in testing Abbas in ODIs. However, the former two cannot buy a wicket to save their lives, and Abbas cannot stop taking them these days. Pakistan should cash on his great form.

If he can nip the ball off the seam with the length that he is bowling, he will be a real handful in ODIs as well and will be hard to hit. However, if he fails, he fails - not a big deal, it is not as if our current bowlers in ODIs are not failing anyway.

I think he should play at the World Cup and bowl 7 overs up-front. If he can do that by taking a couple of wickets and economy rate a shade below 5, we can restrict teams below par totals. Amir cannot take wickets and Hasan gets smashed when he cannot find them, and perhaps Abbas can do both.

It is worth noting that we have no chance of winning the World Cup, but that does not mean that we should not play our best playing XI.

The wickets in England are flat these days he'll be carted around with the new white ball bowling medium fast with little help from the pitch.

 

[MenInG]

The wickets in England are flat these days he'll be carted around with the new white ball bowling medium fast with little help from the pitch.

Strange - heard that Abu Dhabi and Dubai pitches were 'roads' etc

 

[Cric1234]

Strange - heard that Abu Dhabi and Dubai pitches were 'roads' etc

There's more pace and bounce in English pitches the batsmen will be more attacking the white ball will come onto the bat nicely it's a different mindset to bowl in these conditions than UAE on slow wickets with batsmen looking to defend.

 

[Pak force]

He would get smashed in odis. I can already picture Jason Roy hitting six 6s against him in an over.

1 six and the next ball is a inswinger and that is goneeeeee!!!!! Middle stump!!!!

 

[Muhammad Saad]

General rule of thumb, if a bowler can bowl well on roads he will probably bowl better in somewhat more helpful conditions irrespective of the format. Try him now in other words.

 

[Pak force]

The wickets in England are flat these days he'll be carted around with the new white ball bowling medium fast with little help from the pitch.

The pitches in uae were also flat and we all saw what happened. A bowler who uses his mind while bowling and has proper control over his bowling ll succeed in any condition and he ll succeed in odi's mark my words.

 

[jeetu]

He is not a teenager who needs shielding. He is nearing 29 age. He needs to be tried in ODI asap.

 

[Hawkeye]

Hazlewood and Cummins are not Test specialists. They are both fixtures in Australia's first-choice ODI attack. In fact, Hazlewood (5th ranked at the moment) was the top ranked ODI bowler last year if I am not mistaken.

Siddle was dropped early in ODIs because he was very poor. The only reason he is playing this Test series is because Hazlewood and Cummins are not there, and he can bowl long spells.

If the likes of Amir and Hasan were taking wickets, there would have been no point in testing Abbas in ODIs. However, the former two cannot buy a wicket to save their lives, and Abbas cannot stop taking them these days. Pakistan should cash on his great form.

If he can nip the ball off the seam with the length that he is bowling, he will be a real handful in ODIs as well and will be hard to hit. However, if he fails, he fails - not a big deal, it is not as if our current bowlers in ODIs are not failing anyway.

I think he should play at the World Cup and bowl 7 overs up-front. If he can do that by taking a couple of wickets and economy rate a shade below 5, we can restrict teams below par totals. Amir cannot take wickets and Hasan gets smashed when he cannot find them, and perhaps Abbas can do both.

It is worth noting that we have no chance of winning the World Cup, but that does not mean that we should not play our best playing XI.

Overall, I agree that he should bowl in the world cup. But, before that will be like wasting him.

Surprise and novelty factor plays a significant role. Even now, I'm worried how he's going to overcome batsmen preparing against his bowling.

 

[Hawkeye]

The wickets in England are flat these days he'll be carted around with the new white ball bowling medium fast with little help from the pitch.

In general you're right. The typical UAE flat wickets are vastly different from good flat batting surfaces of ODIs in England and in general Australian pitches.

Abbas can very well struggle on those - difficult to generate seam movement, and batsmen will also be going after you.

However this Abu Dhabi pitch was not the typical dead and low Dubai pitch. It had good bounce from day one.

Some hope, but mostly concerned .

 

[shariqnoor]

Sometimes I believe "Hype" is Pakistan's national sport.

Why can't we just let Abbas play his cricket without this added focus on him? He takes 1 10-for in all of his career and the whole country now thinks he's the second coming of McGrath. We do this with literally every player who does something incredible in his first few matches. The case of Umar Akmal and Mohammed Amir ranks top. Our players who have debuted post-2000 have all been mentally weak and have let success go through to their head. Who says Abbas won't go the same way?

Right now everyone is clamoring for him to be a part of the World Cup when he has played precisely 0 ODIS in international cricket. Seriously? What makes him qualify to play the World Cup? Just the fact that he has 50 odd wickets in his first 10 tests and just took a 10-for? At least wait for the NZ series. Australia said that they were caught offguard by Abbas as they prepared for spin in this Test series. NZ won't make that mistake. They'll prepare heavily for Abbas and there's a good chance Abbas could be blunted by them and he ends with 10 wickets in the whole of the series. What then? The same people who are putting him on a pedestal will be the ones saying how pathetic he's become. There will be threads on how Abbas is in decline. Some will even start discussing having Amir back in the Test team in place of Abbas.

So please, everybody should just calm down. Abbas was magnificent against Australia but let him perform for a couple of years at this high level before we can safely say that yes he is indeed a world class bowler. We have seen this play time after time with Pakistani players that they come off brilliantly in their first few international matches before they fade into oblivion.

Abbas' real test comes now. The whole world has stood up and taken notice of him. Batting teams, starting with NZ in a couple of weeks, will study him and try to blunt his effectiveness. Will Abbas be able to confront that and come out on top? That will be his true success. Till then, calm down everyone!!!!

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

He is nearly 29. Should be in ODI squad. He has 4 years left. He is a late bloomer. We should be bringing in a pacer of this calibre at 20.

 

[Nasty Naz]

His List A track record is mediocre and nothing special and his track in T20's is pretty horrible.

So, maybe lets not. He is a fantastic bowler in Tests and that is the only format he should be used in.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

The wickets in England are flat these days he'll be carted around with the new white ball bowling medium fast with little help from the pitch.

If that had been the case Junaid wouldn't have been crucial in Pak's CT17 campaign.

If Junaid can do it then why not Abbas? Abbas has even better control.

 

[CricVet]

A new white ball swings more than red. He can be tried as an ODI bowler in S.A. He should be tried out in some ODIs. Asif did pretty well in ODIs in his first spell. I f you look at Asif's bowling against Ind in Pak 2005/6 ODI series and against Eng in Eng in 2006 summer, he took wickets with low avg.

Since the introduction of 2 new balls in ODIs, in my opinion Abbas can do better in Eng in his first spell. There is no harm in trying. He should not be playing every ODI but some. NO T20 for sure.

 

[Kroll]

He is not a teenager who needs shielding. He is nearing 29 age. He needs to be tried in ODI asap.

It's pretty sad and appalling that some of our best players are not given an opportunity to play for the national side earlier so that the so called seniors and their friends can hog the places.

 

[jeetu]

It's pretty sad and appalling that some of our best players are not given an opportunity to play for the national side earlier so that the so called seniors and their friends can hog the places.

I am with you on that , there are quite of few bowlers in Pakistan's FC with low averages and were never ever given a run. Atleast selectors should let them fail before discarding them. Some were never even given a chance at international level. I consider that a great injustice to not only players but against country itself.

 

[ind_win]

I would like to see him bowling in SA vs the current SA batting line up. I think by the time the series is completed he will among the top 3 bowlers from both the sides.

 

[mesmerizer85]

I think its the best time to try Abbas for the Australia and England ODIs. Who knows he may turn out to be our next strike bowler next to Shaheen Afridi. Shinwari has been pathetic as seen from the SA ODI