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Sometimes these things need to be said - and no one better to say it then our own AJ!

If you want to hear it like it is - this is the post for you and its also the winner of our Post of the Week award

Congrats [MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION]


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...an-Different-mindsets&p=10080222#post10080222

Before the series most people expected South Africa to have to much firepower for Pakistan and would win the test series. The only wish a lot of Pakistan fans would have been is players show some heart, some skill and make the series at least competitive.

Listening to Pollock and KP on there thoughts during series there was massive disappointment the series wasn't even remotely competitive and they were right.

Lets look at SA player mindsets.

Amla - not in good form and some say on decline, did he go out and just flash his bat around hoping he would regain form? No he dug in during series and made important runs and showed heart, guts and desire to get his form back.

Faf - makes a pair in 1st test, wonders if he can still make a contribution. Come the 2nd test did he smile when he got off mark thinking he had done a job. There was a period in 2nd test runs came quick, did he get carried away and throw it away? Did he shy away from battling it through a tough period after and throw it away? No he made a vital 100, not a nice 40/50.

de Kock - again out of form, but in parts during series. 1st test and 3rd he showed focus to score vital runs when needed.

Application, heart and skill when required.

Now comes the selfish, gutless, pathetic side of it from Pakistan.

Azhar Ali gets out 4 times in same fashion. Once or maybe twice i can understand. You dont hook or pull well and your peppered with short ball. Where was the heart on wearing a few on the body and showing some heart. Happy to dead bat and bore the hell out of everyone in UAE but no stomach for the fight.

Then we get the odd flash of decent batting for 20 overs in each test from team. Shan, Sarfaraz, Asad, Babar all playing shots. All of a sudden SA get a break of a session and bowl differently did we get our batsmen showing grit now runs were hard to come by? No we got players playing as though it was a T20 game. Did they look at Amla, Faf and de Kock and think i need to stick around here as we need to atleast get on par with SA. Pathetic, gutless and selfish cricket.

You have Sarfaraz who gets a pair and sees getting of the mark in 2nd test as an achievement, then slashing at everything until your luck runs out. His dismissal in 3rd test 2nd inns summed it up, being fearful of the short ball to point where he was practically hiding behind stumps when he was clean bowled. Again wheres the bravery?

Then we get Asad king of soft runs. Played two significant inns according to our coach, when 1st inns runs were needed in series he was petting his ducks in dressing room, but then lets go out and throw the bat in 2nd inns as i cant lose my place. Against selfish and gutless batting. Am sure Asad's mentor Mohammad Yousuf is very proud as he was king of soft runs and selfishness in 1st hslf of his career.

No one expect miracles in series, but the gutless display of showing no heart and playing a few nice T20 knocks fooled no one.

The culture was bread by a captain backing his failed seniors, not taking responsibility himself either.

You have a coach who has excuses like "young batting group" & "best batsmen in changing room" - no matter how mediocre you are will back you.

No accountability, no pride in playing for the team, no pushing yourself to be better players.

Then Mr. Revolutionary (Inzi), no point picking back up players to push "complacent players" in team as its not allowed to upset senior players, as seniority is everything in Pakistani cricketing culture.

SA Through out series showed heart to push each other whether it was with bat or ball.

I knew we would lose series 3-0 due to lack of skill, but lack of heart and willingness to tough it out was not acceptable.

We are an average test side, but you can cause upset or compete if you show positive mindset and fight it out.

2 years, same rubbish results, same mistakes. Clearly homework wasnt done.

Gutless mindset running ripe through team at all levels - selection, captaincy and coaching.

Everyone sugar coating comments to save there own jobs. There's the difference in attitude.

No accountability in Pakistani cricket, every gutless coward for them self attitude.
 
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Decent analysis but Shafiq wasn't as bad. They weren't soft runs either. It's just unnecessary massive expectations from a guy who.was never consistent to begin with.

Azhar seems done. He can't play short ball.and will be a bunny on overseas tours. Haris should be back in his place when the test championship starts. Captaincy is another issue and Sarfraz had a poor series albeit a couple of iffy 50s. But he won't be going anywhere as there is no alternative.

The team in the last test with Haris for Azhar, Shaheen for Faheem for overseas tours should be good. At home, Shadab should partner with Yasir. If Faheem learns how to bat well, he can replace Hasan

Overall a result that was expected. Pakistan fought well in every test. They were in a winning position in the first test. Fought well in the 2nd innings in 2nd and 3rd tests. It all came down to failure to score decent runs in the first innings in every test and the blame solely lies on Azhar for that as a senior pro. Bowling was good despite Abbas coming back from injury. Amir was great and Shaheen had a terrific series for a newbie. He will learn to control his ER as he gains experience.

Great positives from Babar who should bat at 4 and a great find in Shan.
 
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Decent analysis but Shafiq wasn't as bad. They weren't soft runs either. It's just unnecessary massive expectations from a guy who.was never consistent to begin with.

Azhar seems done. He can't play short ball.and will be a bunny on overseas tours. Haris should be back in his place when the test championship starts. Captaincy is another issue and Sarfraz had a poor series albeit a couple of iffy 50s. But he won't be going anywhere as there is no alternative.

The team in the last test with Haris for Azhar, Shaheen for Faheem for overseas tours should be good. At home, Shadab should partner with Yasir. If Faheem learns how to bat well, he can replace Hasan

Overall a result that was expected. Pakistan fought well in every test. They were in a winning position in the first test. Fought well in the 2nd innings in 2nd and 3rd tests. It all came down to failure to score decent runs in the first innings in every test and the blame solely lies on Azhar for that as a senior pro. Bowling was good despite Abbas coming back from injury. Amir was great and Shaheen had a terrific series for a newbie. He will learn to control his ER as he gains experience.

Great positives from Babar who should bat at 4 and a great find in Shan.

Well said ronny bhai. A lot of positives from this series. Should be a cracker in Australia.
 
Over the top criticism. Truth is many of our batsmen are not too good in these conditions and crack with pressure. It is not that they were not fighting but they are confused how to approach batting in different situations. In past they were trying to block every thing and 2ven scared to take singles, and having failed with that approach they tried to be more positive and started to hit ill advised strokes. It is a mental and talent issue with most of them. Shan has sorted his mental side a and technique but is not talented enough to be world beater. Babar is talented and has decent technique but needs to work more on his decision making during pressure situations and needs more grit to fight for longer. Too late for Azhar Or A sad to change anything, only A sad should remain in test team from the two as he is a much better player.
 
Pak bowlers bowled well overall despite questionable selection with Yasir and Abbass returning from injury.
 
Don't entirely agree with the post when it comes to the batting tactics, our batsmen did not have the technique to grind and survive by playing defensively on these wickets, we saw how those tactics worked out for Azhar Ali and how the approach worked for Misbah and the entire team on the 2013 tour, you have to attack and play aggressive cricket on these wickets because it is only a matter of time before you get a rip snorter which has your name on it, but what our players needed to do was to be smart about their shot selection i.e. avoiding pulling and hooking the ball on your first ball, paying more respect to the match situation i.e. Babar's hook shot immediately after Sarfaraz fell

Other than that good job
 
Decent analysis but Shafiq wasn't as bad. They weren't soft runs either. It's just unnecessary massive expectations from a guy who.was never consistent to begin with.

Azhar seems done. He can't play short ball.and will be a bunny on overseas tours. Haris should be back in his place when the test championship starts. Captaincy is another issue and Sarfraz had a poor series albeit a couple of iffy 50s. But he won't be going anywhere as there is no alternative.

The team in the last test with Haris for Azhar, Shaheen for Faheem for overseas tours should be good. At home, Shadab should partner with Yasir. If Faheem learns how to bat well, he can replace Hasan

Overall a result that was expected. Pakistan fought well in every test. They were in a winning position in the first test. Fought well in the 2nd innings in 2nd and 3rd tests. It all came down to failure to score decent runs in the first innings in every test and the blame solely lies on Azhar for that as a senior pro. Bowling was good despite Abbas coming back from injury. Amir was great and Shaheen had a terrific series for a newbie. He will learn to control his ER as he gains experience.

Great positives from Babar who should bat at 4 and a great find in Shan.

Am sorry but how was shafiq not bad? In the 1st test failed, 2nd inns came in with a platform of 100 odd only couple wickets down and failed.

2nd test when we needed runs in 1st inns failed when we needed big runs and same in 3rd test inns. He then scores runs in 2nd inns when we head towards defeat.

Hows that not soft runs? Or being bad?

How were pakistan competative? We barely looked like scoring 200 in 1st inns of games? In games abroad in bowler friendly cinditions more often then not you need to be atleast par score or have a 1st inns lead.

Look at most tests won in new zealand, SA, Aus nowadays and 1st inns leads are more crucial.

Scoring runs in final inns of games which you get no where near close to winning isnt competative.

I expected 3-0 but fact we basically rolled over with no fight was most dissapointing thing, not in a single point in any of 3 games did we look like oh we could win the game from here.

Until batting changes or improves we wont even beat teams like SL or WI never mind anyone else cant keep expecting bowlers to bail us out.
 
Thanks guys for nomination and award. Ive watched pakistan play since 1987 and this by far our worst test side ive seen play, worrying times ahead.
 
Well said ronny bhai. A lot of positives from this series. Should be a cracker in Australia.

You do realize the two test pakistan will play are in perth and adeilade (D/N)

Perth fast wicket in Australia, look at how india struggled there and our batting is alot worse and can play pace or bounce.

Adeliade is traditionally the flattest in Aus, however if its a pink ball test then grass is likely to be left on wicket.

You realistically think pakistans going to score heavily at either venue?

Add to that warner and smith will be back. Plus you need genuine quick bowlers to do damage in Australia.
 
Am sorry but how was shafiq not bad? In the 1st test failed, 2nd inns came in with a platform of 100 odd only couple wickets down and failed.

2nd test when we needed runs in 1st inns failed when we needed big runs and same in 3rd test inns. He then scores runs in 2nd inns when we head towards defeat.

Hows that not soft runs? Or being bad?

How were pakistan competative? We barely looked like scoring 200 in 1st inns of games? In games abroad in bowler friendly cinditions more often then not you need to be atleast par score or have a 1st inns lead.

Look at most tests won in new zealand, SA, Aus nowadays and 1st inns leads are more crucial.

Scoring runs in final inns of games which you get no where near close to winning isnt competative.

I expected 3-0 but fact we basically rolled over with no fight was most dissapointing thing, not in a single point in any of 3 games did we look like oh we could win the game from here.

Until batting changes or improves we wont even beat teams like SL or WI never mind anyone else cant keep expecting bowlers to bail us out.

Pakistan were 103 for 1 in 2nd innings in the first test. That was the moment where the first test slipped away. In a bowlers' series, there are no easy runs or soft runs. Infact 2nd innings runs are actually tougher to make with the pitches deteriorating. Shafiq averages 32 in the last two years. Did you expect him to avg 50 in SA on some of the tougher pitches? He did ok as per the recent record and expectations. He followed Babar's (team's?) strategy and decided to score before 'that' unplayable delivery. Babar was exciting, so was Shan. Azhar's role was to stay on the wicket so others play around him. He flopped.

Pak failed to score in the first innings of every test. That's where the series was lost. There are ingredients to build a good and exciting team in 8 months time. Bring in Haris for Azhar, play Babar at 4 and this team will be very competitive.
 
You do realize the two test pakistan will play are in perth and adeilade (D/N)

Perth fast wicket in Australia, look at how india struggled there and our batting is alot worse and can play pace or bounce.

Adeliade is traditionally the flattest in Aus, however if its a pink ball test then grass is likely to be left on wicket.

You realistically think pakistans going to score heavily at either venue?

Add to that warner and smith will be back. Plus you need genuine quick bowlers to do damage in Australia.

If i am not wrong, you guys will be playing at old WACA which has been very benign for a number of years now.
 
Hope these lessons are not forgotten in our happiness over 1 ODI win!
 
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