PSL authorities, franchises and analysts concerned by the threat from IPL-backed emerging leagues

[Savak]

PCB confident PSL faces no threat from IPL-backed emerging leagues

Mir Shabbar Ali

Published

August 6, 2022 Updated a day ago

KARACHI: Alarm bells are ringing for the Pakistan Super League. But perhaps not loud enough for the Pakistan Cricket Board, which is still confident about the product it is selling. Analysts and those involved with the PSL, however, are thinking differently.

Until its last edition in January this year, Pakistan’s flagship T20 event was being dubbed as the ‘second-best league in the world’ after the Indian Premier League.

Fast forward six months, before the turn of the season, the PSL has two more competitors challenging for the place behind IPL; UAE’s International League T20 and the yet-to-be-named T20 league backed by Cricket South Africa.

While these are just two new T20 leagues on the outside, what makes the competition complicated for the PSL is the fact that nine of the total 12 franchises of both the ILT20 and the CSA league are owned by owners of IPL teams.

“This rules out the PSL as the second-best league in the world at least in terms of money,” a top official of a PSL franchise told Dawn.

The ILT20 is set to offer its best players a whopping USD 450,000 while the CSA league’s recruits will earn up to USD 350,000.

The PSL on the other hand, will manage to pay a maximum compensation of USD 200,000 to the top players of the league.

According to a sports management expert associated with the local cricket industry, what makes it trickier for Pakistan’s flagship cricket event is the scheduling of the leagues in the future cycles.

Following the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup — which runs from October 16 to November 13 — the two-month Australian Big Bash League will kick off from December, after which the Bangladesh Premier League, the ILT20 and the South African League will be held almost simultaneously from mid-January to mid-February.

The PSL runs into action in the last week of February and finds itself sandwiched between the said leagues and the IPL, which is set to be held from March to May.

But PCB chief executive officer Faisal Hasnain believes the PSL can rely on factors other than just money to find itself as a relevant product in the increasingly competitive T20 leagues market.

“Firstly, our objective/vision is for the Pakistan Super League to continue to be a world-class league in its own right without comparisons with any other league,” Faisal told Dawn.

“We don’t look at any league as our competitor because we consider the quality of our cricket and our organisational ability and fan following to be second to none.”

There are fears of the PSL’s dates clashing with the ILT20 and the South African league as it eventually expands to eight teams from the 2025 season. The clash might decrease the PSL’s demand in the international market but may not affect its viewership locally.

“Our partners back our league and players due to their quality and the value that we offer and we are confident that they will remain with us regardless of the emergence of any other league in any part of the world,” Faisal said.

While the PSL “quality” due to the level playing field it is known to maintain batters and bowlers, may well keep it among the top leagues in the world, what cannot be ignored at the moment is the money its competitors are ready to splash on the players.

CRICKET CALENDAR

The placement of the PSL in the cricket calendar also makes it susceptible to losing its importance.

“The talk in the market says the players will look to rejuvenate themselves in the PSL window after the BBL, South Africa league and the ILT20,” the franchise official said.

According to the expert, compared to the UAE and South Africa, Pakistan is not a favourable destination for the players due to the air-tight security arrangements which gave minimum freedom to players to move around or find avenues to entertain themselves while being away from home.

“Players aren’t able to move around freely while in Pakistan and that could become a much bigger challenge now,” he said.

“In comparison, some of these other destinations are very attractive tourist destinations.”

With IPL owners penetrating the franchise T20 industry, recent reports have revealed that they are “open to offering” yearly contracts to the most sought after players to tie them up for all the leagues their teams will feature in.

The PCB, according to the sports management expert, should do the same.

“One way to secure the PSL’s interest could be for the PCB to negotiate handsome longer-term contracts with some of the leading international players,” he said.

This could give the players a degree of security and comfort.

“PCB can invest in foreign player recruitment for the overall benefit of the PSL.”

Pakistan’s nose-diving economy triggered by the uncertain political climate and global recession, though, will pose a big challenge for the PCB to make a move as big as that.

While Faisal was confident that PSL’s global following and viewership figures will continue their upward trend and the tournament will earn more specially after securing record sponsorships and broadcast deals last year, the currency that fills the league’s central pool is the Pakistani rupee.

The payments that are made to the top foreign players — including the likes of Alex Hales, Jason Roy and Liam Livingstone — are in dollars, which makes it further complicated for the PSL to convince players to choose it over the other leagues.

In such an environment, ideally, the PCB is expected to take steps to save what it has built along with the main stakeholders — the franchises — in the last eight years.

Representatives of two different franchises expressed severe concerns over what they believed was lack of urgency by the PCB.

“We’re waiting for PCB to actually sit down and discuss it with us, but it’s not chairman’s priority,” one of them told Dawn. “PCB needs to start contacting and signing players before it’s too late, before every big player signs for another league.”

The last time the PCB called the PSL’s governing council’s meeting was back in September 2021.

“There had been zero engagement by the PCB regarding the issue,” said a representative of the other franchise.

The official said the franchises expected the PCB to invest more in the PSL rather than creating a brand new product in the Pakistan Junior League — a franchise-based T20 tournament for under-19 players.

DIFFERENT LENS

Faisal said the PCB looks at the PJL from a different lens.

“The Pakistan Junior League is a completely different concept and it is meant for the development of the game and should not necessarily be considered a commercial venture,” he said.

“The event will provide an opportunity for youngsters to showcase their talent and it is a part of the PCB’s pathway programme to encourage talent to provide a platform for them to graduate to national level.”

While the sports management expert believed that T20 leagues were “the new reality in cricket that boards need to coexist with” and that the PCB should just accept it, Faisal stressed that international bilateral cricket is here to stay.The ICC’s Future Tours Programme cycle for the 2024-2027 period will see T20 leagues take up a major chunk of the cricket calendar while a significant part of it will be occupied by the ICC events. This has raised questions over the future of international bilateral cricket.

“Each format of the game has its unique place within the cricketing structure and has added significantly to the spread of the game both commercially as well as in terms of innovation and this we believe is very good for the game,” said Faisal.

“In fact, we believe that the new fans attracted by the shorter formats of the game will be attracted to the longer formats and therefore bilateral cricket between nations is here to stay.”

Published in Dawn, August 6th, 2022

Link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1703473

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

The CSA League and UAE league have been created with a purpose to rival PSL.
PSL though will still have mass following within 220 million people of Pakistan willing to pay for it so I guess PCB need not worry. As the Pakistani economy will grow the league will also grow.

 

[Savak]

The CSA League and UAE league have been created with a purpose to rival PSL.
PSL though will still have mass following within 220 million people of Pakistan willing to pay for it so I guess PCB need not worry. As the Pakistani economy will grow the league will also grow.

I am surprised that the BCCI has not thought about the impact on the IPL. There are now 5 leagues taking place right before the IPL ie big Bash, BPL, CSA, UAE and PSL. If you add up the pays of all these leagues, it will be $1,000, 000 which is too big an amount to pass on.

Also players are going to get tired, fatigued and might even get injured just before the IPL. If the BCCI allows the non contracted Indian players to play in the CSA, UAE then even they risk getting tired, fatigued and developing injuries running into the IPL which will hurt the IPL franchises and their plans for the IPL season.

 

[JaDed]

I am surprised that the BCCI has not thought about the impact on the IPL. There are now 5 leagues taking place right before the IPL ie big Bash, BPL, CSA, UAE and PSL. If you add up the pays of all these leagues, it will be $1,000, 000 which is too big an amount to pass on.

Also players are going to get tired, fatigued and might even get injured just before the IPL. If the BCCI allows the non contracted Indian players to play in the CSA, UAE then even they risk getting tired, fatigued and developing injuries running into the IPL which will hurt the IPL franchises and their plans for the IPL season.

Because in IPL it will be the city base that tunes in to watch their city llay, this is exact reason PSL ll not be impacted because IPL and PSL are the only genuine city based leagues.

 

[Shaddy86]

PCB should hold onto its main contacted players and not let them participate in these leagues. How would these leagues survive without Pakistani and Indian spectators? Especially the one in UAE.

 

[MenInG]

In the aftermath of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, Pakistani cricketers are not allowed to participate in the Indian Premier League. Eight players, which include the likes of Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Akhtar, Kamran Akmal, and Sohail Tanvir, participated in the inaugural edition of the cash-rich league. Since then they are not allowed to participate in the IPL, a tournament which involves a lot of money and attracts players from all over the globe.

In another major setback to the Pakistani players, they now won’t be able to play in the upcoming CSA and UAE T20 leagues as well, because the team owners, who are mostly the ones who have a team in the IPL, are not keen on having their services.
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According to a report in InsideSport, the IPL team owners fear retaliation from the Indian public and so they don’t want any Pakistani players' involvement in the league. And if it happens, then the likes of Babar Azam, Shaheen Shah Afridi, and Mohammad Rizwan, who are some of the best players in modern-day cricket, will sit out.

"We don’t want Pakistani players. First, it is hard to negotiate with the board for the NOCs. Then comes the backlash in India. I don’t think any Indian fans will be happy if Pakistani players play for us," a franchise official with teams in both the UAE and South African leagues told the news portal.

An IPL franchise official with the team in the UAE league said they are not considering any players from the neighboring country.

"A lot is at stake for the team as huge investment is involved. No one wants to hurt gthe sentiments of the fans back home. We have decided not to chase any player. They have some of the best players in the shortest format of the game, but it’s not in our best interest," the franchise official said.

As far as the participation of Indian players in overseas leagues is concerned, the Indian franchises have requested the BCCI to allow non-contracted Indian cricketers to play in overseas tournaments.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...n-csa-uae-t20-leagues-report-article-93404018

 

[Savak]

PCB needs to play its cards carefully, if it refuses NOCs for the Big Bash, CSA, UAE Leagues, the boards will retaliate by refusing NOCs for the PSL

 

[Titan24]

"We don’t want Pakistani players. First, it is hard to negotiate with the board for the NOCs. Then comes the backlash in India. I don’t think any Indian fans will be happy if Pakistani players play for us," a franchise official with teams in both the UAE and South African leagues told the news portal.

An IPL franchise official with the team in the UAE league said they are not considering any players from the neighboring country.

If I am not wrong, CPL teams Barbados Royals and Trinidad Tobago Knight Riders are owned by IPL franchise owners and they had Pakistani players playing in them.

Not that I want Pakistani players to keep playing random T20 leagues (When you are an established player you don't gain much in terms of development, yes young inexperienced players can gain but they want the big names generally) just pointing out the observed discrepancy in the said stance.

 

[anonymous_guy]

PCB needs to play its cards carefully, if it refuses NOCs for the Big Bash, CSA, UAE Leagues, the boards will retaliate by refusing NOCs for the PSL

South Africa and Australia never allow their players to play in PSL, apart from a very few exceptions.

Last year players like Rabada, Miller and Shamshi wanted to participate in PSL yet South Africa cricket board under Graem Smith refused NOC to them giving the excuse of local tournnament.

PSL directly clashes with first class tournament in South Africa and Australia they will NEVER allow their main/fringe players to take part in PSL leaving behind their first class league. PCB needs to hold tight for a couple of years and not release their main/fringe players to play in these leagues except for the retired one as SA and Australia does.

 

[Concerned]

BCCI could end PSL if they wanted with ease.

As soon as they introduce contracts which limits participation in only their leagues would end any decent players featuring.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

The CSA League and UAE league have been created with a purpose to rival PSL.
PSL though will still have mass following within 220 million people of Pakistan willing to pay for it so I guess PCB need not worry. As the Pakistani economy will grow the league will also grow.

Get over this victim mentality seriously. It is sad.

BCCI isn't behind this but IPL franchises. And they don't care about hurting PCB or PSL. They care about money. They're investing into leagues around the world. It started with CPL way back.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

BCCI could end PSL if they wanted with ease.

As soon as they introduce contracts which limits participation in only their leagues would end any decent players featuring.

This will be a slippery slope though.

What stops CA/CSA/WICB from restricting NOCs? Also it won't be just them but the owners of the teams in IPL that wont allow BCCI to do any ** like that. As it will hurt their investments abroad.

BCCI knows it will have to in fact be a little more open now given in near future league cricket will take precedence in many countries and they won't take BCCI's monopoly lying down.

 

[Bewal Express]

BCCI could end PSL if they wanted with ease.

As soon as they introduce contracts which limits participation in only their leagues would end any decent players featuring.

No they cant, the PSL depends on PK talent and the overseas talent makes little or no impact. And the ones that did play like ABD and Gayle hardly set it alive. The PSL will survive because at its heart is PK players.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No they cant, the PSL depends on PK talent and the overseas talent makes little or no impact. And the ones that did play like ABD and Gayle hardly set it alive. The PSL will survive because at its heart is PK players.

If PSL is all about PK players and foreigners are not important, what was wrong with Faysal Bank T20?

No wonder the Franchisee are fighting to get more money from PCB and the broadcast deals are so low.

 

[Bewal Express]

If PSL is all about PK players and foreigners are not important, what was wrong with Faysal Bank T20?

No wonder the Franchisee are fighting to get more money from PCB and the broadcast deals are so low.

Its called branding. The EPL was the same as the old Division 1 but people preferred the EPL. More attention and razzmatazz. Unlike the IPL who rely on Foreign telent to make their league, ours is more organic will survive as long as the local fans buy into it and they do.

 

[Savak]

If PSL is all about PK players and foreigners are not important, what was wrong with Faysal Bank T20?

No wonder the Franchisee are fighting to get more money from PCB and the broadcast deals are so low.

As per reports, whatever Broadcast rights the PCB has got for the PSL is primarily due to the foreign players in the PSL, take the foreign players out and the Broadcast deal gets devalued.

If the PCB cannot compete in terms of money then they need to find a seperate PSL window where they are away from competing with 4 other leagues.

 

[AMSS]

How's the UAE or South African league ''IPL backed'' when BCCI wouldn't release Indian players for them? If anything, BCCI at this point might be considering a prohibition/non-compete clause to ensure IPL franchise owners do not own stake in leagues that compete with the IPL.

 

[zoeyfactor]

Rather than complain and be concerned, and if the "best" evaluation is measured by pay grades, improve the pay scales for players and compete in that level. Salary cap should be $3m with top players to be $500-600k.

 

[Nasty Naz]

PCB needs to play its cards carefully, if it refuses NOCs for the Big Bash, CSA, UAE Leagues, the boards will retaliate by refusing NOCs for the PSL

There's International games generally going on during those times so most of our players are unavailable anyways as is the case for most of Aussie/SA players at the time too.

I think most of these leagues will end up getting rubbish talent for the most part unless players simply start bowing out of international matches to play in these leagues. Outside of IPL and the new UAE league, I have a hard time seeing any of these leagues loaded with top international players.

 

[Savak]

How's the UAE or South African league ''IPL backed'' when BCCI wouldn't release Indian players for them? If anything, BCCI at this point might be considering a prohibition/non-compete clause to ensure IPL franchise owners do not own stake in leagues that compete with the IPL.

These Leagues are going to hurt the IPL, there are 5 leagues going into the IPL, the players involved will want to maximize the payouts and will risk injury, burnout going into the IPL. I cannot see how the BCCI will be happy with this, i predict after the aftereffects of the CSA, UAE League are seen on the IPL, the BCCI is going to tell the IPL owners who own teams in other leagues to choose b/w the others leagues or IPL

 

[Savak]

There's International games generally going on during those times so most of our players are unavailable anyways as is the case for most of Aussie/SA players at the time too.

I think most of these leagues will end up getting rubbish talent for the most part unless players simply start bowing out of international matches to play in these leagues. Outside of IPL and the new UAE league, I have a hard time seeing any of these leagues loaded with top international players.

Wasim, Waqar would sit out of Pak's international fixtures to play county cricket. I predict if the players get life changing sums of money, they will request the PCB to exclude them from inconsequential series or dead rubbers which is not a bad thing as Pakistan desperately needs to play and test its bench strength

 

[Nasty Naz]

Wasim, Waqar would sit out of Pak's international fixtures to play county cricket. I predict if the players get life changing sums of money, they will request the PCB to exclude them from inconsequential series or dead rubbers which is not a bad thing as Pakistan desperately needs to play and test its bench strength

I don't disagree but Pakistan's home calendar will be going on around the same time.

Certainly, Test series and matches vs big teams should be played at full strength but if it's Zimbabwe/Bangladesh etc touring around that time, Pakistan should definitely let their big players play if they want to assuming the workload is manageable.

Maybe the new FTP setup and these T20 leagues will force Pakistan's hand to play some of their bench players and get a rotation going which would certainly be a good idea and help manage their player's workload while giving the bench players an opportunity.

 

[JaDed]

Why would majority Indians watch UAE/SA league? Makes no sense.

Might as well make a North American league with Canadian, American teams atleast many Desis will show up as for city rivalry and get few American viewers too , would still be better than MLS lol.

 

[Savak]

Why would majority Indians watch UAE/SA league? Makes no sense.

Might as well make a North American league with Canadian, American teams atleast many Desis will show up as for city rivalry and get few American viewers too , would still be better than MLS lol.

Indians arent going to watch it if Indian players are not allowed to play these leagues. UAE has no audience for Cricket in the abscence of Indian, Pakistani players. Just watching random foreign players in the league is not going to attract fans, sponsors.

 

[introvert]

Why would majority Indians watch UAE/SA league? Makes no sense.

Might as well make a North American league with Canadian, American teams atleast many Desis will show up as for city rivalry and get few American viewers too , would still be better than MLS lol.

Major League cricket is coming in near future. Kkr is already on board as one of the investor and gonna build stadium in Los Angeles.

 

[introvert]

Bcci has nothing to do with these leagues and probably can't control IPL Teams involvement outside of IPL window.

Worry for PSL is that foreign players will probably choose UAE and CSA league over PSL due to higher pay and location.

T20 guns for hire who are IPL regulars will probably skip PSL to stay fresh for IPL.

Obvious solution to this is moving PSL to different window or offering higher pay outside of draft to attract overseas T20 superstars. I think both should be done. PCB must need to attract much bigger broadcast deal than current one to bring higher franchise revenue and salary cap.

 

[arif_2021]

PSL would be fine.
The domestic market is huge compared to UAE and South Africa.

 

[Rana]

PSL would be fine.
The domestic market is huge compared to UAE and South Africa.

All it takes is 5-6 Indian players participating in these leagues and watch the value sky rocket. BCCI know very well that the market value of IPL lies solely in the star quality of the Indian players and not the foreign imports

 

[cricketjoshila]

PSL would be fine.
The domestic market is huge compared to UAE and South Africa.

Still broadcasters pay only 12mn usd for a season of PSL. Where is this huge market?

 

[arif_2021]

Still broadcasters pay only 12mn usd for a season of PSL. Where is this huge market?

Why don't you go watch the highlights of the last PSL matches conducted in Pakistan instead of asking me silly questions that you already know the answers to. I am talking about local market and viewership not broadcasters.

And I understand you bow your head to money, but there really is more to life than money. Not sure if this a religious or philosophical thing for you or were you deprived all your life.

I had an Indian patient the other day who came for a minor procedure that took 10 minutes. He refused to leave until his IV bag finished. He wanted a full 1 L of IV bag even though the procedure required 50-100 mls (its only connected to give medications). He said he wanted the whole bag because he paid for it. He was the laughing stock of the hospital. Thats what this attitude of always being money-centric does. I am seeing the same psychoses in you unfortunately.

Ambani is not going to take his billions in his grave. These are higher-level, spiritual topics that I am afraid you do not have any intelligence to comprehend, thats why every other sentence from your face is about money. It's actually quite sad and I feel pity for you.

Players like Babar and Rizwan and Shaheen are passionate and highly respected for this reason, not just by Pakistan but rest of the commentators including your own media. The fact that they have not played a single IPL game, yet would walk into any world T20 team throws your argument about money to your face. It's about passion and love of the game.

The fact of the matter is, PSL despite BCCI trying its best to isolate everything to do with Pakistan, has not only survived but thrived playing many seasons away from Pakistan. Beating India in UAE in a one-sided manner was the icing on the cake, back on CT 2017 performance. The WC2021 win put the idea that CT2017 was a fluke to bed.

PSL is a great product and according to all international players who have played in PSL, it is the best carnival for fast bowling. That is a specific quality that PSL has over any other league. PSL does not need to prove itself to anyone including BCCI. It has done well with forces working against it, and it will continue to do well.

All your billions and glamor did not earn you a title that really matters which all of you crave. Your legend captain is nowhere near the team and there are 30 guys trying to play for India that your selection is confusing and challenging to a point that you played 3 wicketkeepers in SF against NZ.

So, focus on your own problems. Right now, if I were you, I would focus on your own country's cricket, learn to actually read, and then respond carefully. You don't make any sense. You may be able to fool some of the posters on PP with your passive aggressive hypotheticals that seem to be inquisitive, but not me. Honestly, you come across as an unintelligent person raising basic points that can easily be googled.

Go watch the matches, look at the crowds. Look at viewership. That determines market, not just broadcast deal and money.

PSL has been like oxygen to Pakistan cricket. Those who have followed Pakistan cricket diligently for the past 30 years know this. Its here to stay as it is a means to showcase our talent and provide a stage.

And again, if I were PCB chairman, I would just extend the season and increase PSL 4 months, 4 month test season and 4 months for bilateral + international tours with SA/ENG/AUS and whoever wants to play us.

You don't want to play us or include us - no problem, we are used to it and we have survived and we will continue to survive.

 

[JaDed]

Still broadcasters pay only 12mn usd for a season of PSL. Where is this huge market?

It’s still an in-house product with loyal fan following for cities, there is no way UAE/SA would able to replicate that.

There is more chance of IPL with tier 2 cities making it big without Indian players than UAE/SA will.

 

[JaDed]

Why don't you go watch the highlights of the last PSL matches conducted in Pakistan instead of asking me silly questions that you already know the answers to. I am talking about local market and viewership not broadcasters.

And I understand you bow your head to money, but there really is more to life than money. Not sure if this a religious or philosophical thing for you or were you deprived all your life.

I had an Indian patient the other day who came for a minor procedure that took 10 minutes. He refused to leave until his IV bag finished. He wanted a full 1 L of IV bag even though the procedure required 50-100 mls (its only connected to give medications). He said he wanted the whole bag because he paid for it. He was the laughing stock of the hospital. Thats what this attitude of always being money-centric does. I am seeing the same psychoses in you unfortunately.

Ambani is not going to take his billions in his grave. These are higher-level, spiritual topics that I am afraid you do not have any intelligence to comprehend, thats why every other sentence from your face is about money. It's actually quite sad and I feel pity for you.

Players like Babar and Rizwan and Shaheen are passionate and highly respected for this reason, not just by Pakistan but rest of the commentators including your own media. The fact that they have not played a single IPL game, yet would walk into any world T20 team throws your argument about money to your face. It's about passion and love of the game.

The fact of the matter is, PSL despite BCCI trying its best to isolate everything to do with Pakistan, has not only survived but thrived playing many seasons away from Pakistan. Beating India in UAE in a one-sided manner was the icing on the cake, back on CT 2017 performance. The WC2021 win put the idea that CT2017 was a fluke to bed.

PSL is a great product and according to all international players who have played in PSL, it is the best carnival for fast bowling. That is a specific quality that PSL has over any other league. PSL does not need to prove itself to anyone including BCCI. It has done well with forces working against it, and it will continue to do well.

All your billions and glamor did not earn you a title that really matters which all of you crave. Your legend captain is nowhere near the team and there are 30 guys trying to play for India that your selection is confusing and challenging to a point that you played 3 wicketkeepers in SF against NZ.

So, focus on your own problems. Right now, if I were you, I would focus on your own country's cricket, learn to actually read, and then respond carefully. You don't make any sense. You may be able to fool some of the posters on PP with your passive aggressive hypotheticals that seem to be inquisitive, but not me. Honestly, you come across as an unintelligent person raising basic points that can easily be googled.

Go watch the matches, look at the crowds. Look at viewership. That determines market, not just broadcast deal and money.

PSL has been like oxygen to Pakistan cricket. Those who have followed Pakistan cricket diligently for the past 30 years know this. Its here to stay as it is a means to showcase our talent and provide a stage.

And again, if I were PCB chairman, I would just extend the season and increase PSL 4 months, 4 month test season and 4 months for bilateral + international tours with SA/ENG/AUS and whoever wants to play us.

You don't want to play us or include us - no problem, we are used to it and we have survived and we will continue to survive.

It still needs foreign players, please don’t act like PSL doesn’t need that.

 

[arif_2021]

It still needs foreign players, please don’t act like PSL doesn’t need that.

Yes, but there are PLENTY of foreign players. Premium players themselves don't play all the leagues. If you're saying PSL cant survive without foreign players, that is simply not true. As I mentioned, PSL brings a specific quality - such as fast bowling that many players are interested in facing.

Livingstone, Harry Brookes, etc were nowhere to be found 2-3 years ago. The league system have given them opportunities. They will continue to extract new talent.

 

[U$ofA]

Its called branding. The EPL was the same as the old Division 1 but people preferred the EPL. More attention and razzmatazz. Unlike the IPL who rely on Foreign telent to make their league, ours is more organic will survive as long as the local fans buy into it and they do.

All it takes is 5-6 Indian players participating in these leagues and watch the value sky rocket. BCCI know very well that the market value of IPL lies solely in the star quality of the Indian players and not the foreign imports

I am confused. Which is it?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why don't you go watch the highlights of the last PSL matches conducted in Pakistan instead of asking me silly questions that you already know the answers to. I am talking about local market and viewership not broadcasters.

Again. You talked about huge market. If there was market, broadcaster would pay more. Gate receipts make a very small percentage of the total revenues.

And I understand you bow your head to money, but there really is more to life than money. Not sure if this a religious or philosophical thing for you or were you deprived all your life.

All t20 leagues are made to make money for the board, be it IPL or PSL. That's how bills are paid.

Regarding by life, i can assure you my education allows me to be paid very well and if that was not the case, my family is extremely well off, well off enough to be sitting on the same table with some of india's biggest cricket officials at some point.

My religious or philosophy taught me that it is important to earn money to give your family and yourself a comfortable life. Living on other's money and then claiming it is your entitlement is not something i have learnt.

Problem is those who are not good enough to earn that money will try to make it look evil. Why because they couldn't do it.

I had an Indian patient the other day who came for a minor procedure that took 10 minutes. He refused to leave until his IV bag finished. He wanted a full 1 L of IV bag even though the procedure required 50-100 mls (its only connected to give medications). He said he wanted the whole bag because he paid for it. He was the laughing stock of the hospital. Thats what this attitude of always being money-centric does. I am seeing the same psychoses in you unfortunately.

I don't know why you would think its wrong to finish a 500ml or 1Lt of IV fluid unless it was contraindicated in the patient or would have caused fluid overload etc.

Here in India we don't start 500 ml or 1Lt IV fluids for a minor 10 mins procedure unless the patient is NPO(Which he shouldn't be in case of a minor procedure usually) or unless we are expecting some major loss of volume(Again unlikely in a minor procedure). If medicines are to be diluted they are diluted in much smaller IV bottles of 250ml or even less.

Would be very interested to know what medication was being diluted via 1Lt of IV fluid and then given only for 10 mins.

If he paid for it, its his right to have that bag, if it was not needed, why connect a large 1Lt bag and charge for it? Someone needs to audit the usage and wastage of the IV bags at your work place. If its a NHS hospital, some serious taxpayers money is being wasted.

There is a reason why Indians are usually near the top of the median household income in UK. Indians know how to conserve money, so that they don't have to leech off benefits.

Ambani is not going to take his billions in his grave. These are higher-level, spiritual topics that I am afraid you do not have any intelligence to comprehend, thats why every other sentence from your face is about money. It's actually quite sad and I feel pity for you.

He will not go to a grave. He will be cremated. He is doing his Karma and working and earning money. He is providing employment to 1000s and doing charity to many. Thats what karma chakra teaches us. Unfortunately this 5000 year old philosophy isnt for you.

Please dont be sad and pity me. I am quite happy with my life. I suggest that you worry about your own.

[/QUOTE]

Players like Babar and Rizwan and Shaheen are passionate and highly respected for this reason, not just by Pakistan but rest of the commentators including your own media. The fact that they have not played a single IPL game, yet would walk into any world T20 team throws your argument about money to your face. It's about passion and love of the game.

Are Babar and Shaheen more passionate then pakistani greats of the previous generations? Because i watched them play the ICL ditching the pakistan team. They would regularly skip pakistan matches to play county and before my time they also ran away to play packer series.

Again, getting selected in a world 11 has nothing to do with making money. World 11s change every season.

The fact of the matter is, PSL despite BCCI trying its best to isolate everything to do with Pakistan, has not only survived but thrived playing many seasons away from Pakistan. Beating India in UAE in a one-sided manner was the icing on the cake, back on CT 2017 performance. The WC2021 win put the idea that CT2017 was a fluke to bed.

If BCCI tried to isolate PSL they would do it in a blink of an eye. The only thing they need to say is that anyone associated with PSL wont get work with bcci. That would be enough.

But bcci is too big to be bothered by PCB and PSL unless ofcourse pcb wants to poke and start a confrontation.

After 30 years pakistan beat india in a WC match that. You are speaking as if pakistan has the upper hand in WC matches. Between that 2017 CT match and the 2021 match how many matches did India and Pakistan play and who won how many? May be that will tell you what's fluke.

PSL is a great product and according to all international players who have played in PSL, it is the best carnival for fast bowling. That is a specific quality that PSL has over any other league. PSL does not need to prove itself to anyone including BCCI. It has done well with forces working against it, and it will continue to do well.

Can you name some international bowlers of great repute or just international bowlers who have played the last 2-3 seasons of PSL?

All your billions and glamor did not earn you a title that really matters which all of you crave. Your legend captain is nowhere near the team and there are 30 guys trying to play for India that your selection is confusing and challenging to a point that you played 3 wicketkeepers in SF against NZ.

England hasn't won the WC in football for 50 plus years, yet EPL is a great league. Big Money.

Before 2010 Spain didn't win the fifa WC, yet La liga is a great league.

Dont confuse things.

Regards to team selection, there is reason why that group of selectors were called jokers by most fans. Unfortunately those selectors were hoisted on the bcci during a court appointed regime.

So, focus on your own problems. Right now, if I were you, I would focus on your own country's cricket, learn to actually read, and then respond carefully. You don't make any sense. You may be able to fool some of the posters on PP with your passive aggressive hypotheticals that seem to be inquisitive, but not me. Honestly, you come across as an unintelligent person raising basic points that can easily be googled.

Honestly i dont care what you think. You are not the authority to judge anyone's intelligence and certainly not mine.

You made a claim that PSL has a great market, i asked you a question, answer that. Why is the PSL broadcast value so low if the market is great? Why are you writing an essay on topics of spirituality, your patient, everyone's intelligence etc.

The question is very simple. Please answer it.

Go watch the matches, look at the crowds. Look at viewership. That determines market, not just broadcast deal and money.

The market determines the money. If there was a big market, there would be more money in PSL.

PSL has been like oxygen to Pakistan cricket. Those who have followed Pakistan cricket diligently for the past 30 years know this. Its here to stay as it is a means to showcase our talent and provide a stage.

Pakistani talent was there before the PSL as well and TBH it was far more. In the 90s the pakistani team had Anwar,Ijaz Inzy Waqar Wasim Saqi Razzaq, later Shoaib, Moyo etc. Thats talent. It would make even rivals stand up and appreciate.

And again, if I were PCB chairman, I would just extend the season and increase PSL 4 months, 4 month test season and 4 months for bilateral + international tours with SA/ENG/AUS and whoever wants to play us.

You don't want to play us or include us - no problem, we are used to it and we have survived and we will continue to survive.

PSL 4 months? Ok. Please do.

Yes you have survived. But others have thrived.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is good. People will eventually get bored of this tamasha cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

BCCI could end PSL if they wanted with ease.

As soon as they introduce contracts which limits participation in only their leagues would end any decent players featuring.

Pakistan had their own T20 league/tournament before IPL began. It was purely domestic without any drama, foreign players, cheerleaders, etc. and it was all about cricket. Even then pakistani fans used to watch those matches so why can't they watch now?

On the other hand IPL can't survive without cheerleaders, foreign players, tamasha, parties, bollywood etc. You IPL fans need to understand clearly that there was cricket before IPL began and there will still be enough cricket to watch after die hard IPL fans start getting bored from these leagues.

 

[Savak]

Again. You talked about huge market. If there was market, broadcaster would pay more. Gate receipts make a very small percentage of the total revenues.



All t20 leagues are made to make money for the board, be it IPL or PSL. That's how bills are paid.

Regarding by life, i can assure you my education allows me to be paid very well and if that was not the case, my family is extremely well off, well off enough to be sitting on the same table with some of india's biggest cricket officials at some point.

My religious or philosophy taught me that it is important to earn money to give your family and yourself a comfortable life. Living on other's money and then claiming it is your entitlement is not something i have learnt.

Problem is those who are not good enough to earn that money will try to make it look evil. Why because they couldn't do it.



I don't know why you would think its wrong to finish a 500ml or 1Lt of IV fluid unless it was contraindicated in the patient or would have caused fluid overload etc.

Here in India we don't start 500 ml or 1Lt IV fluids for a minor 10 mins procedure unless the patient is NPO(Which he shouldn't be in case of a minor procedure usually) or unless we are expecting some major loss of volume(Again unlikely in a minor procedure). If medicines are to be diluted they are diluted in much smaller IV bottles of 250ml or even less.

Would be very interested to know what medication was being diluted via 1Lt of IV fluid and then given only for 10 mins.

If he paid for it, its his right to have that bag, if it was not needed, why connect a large 1Lt bag and charge for it? Someone needs to audit the usage and wastage of the IV bags at your work place. If its a NHS hospital, some serious taxpayers money is being wasted.

There is a reason why Indians are usually near the top of the median household income in UK. Indians know how to conserve money, so that they don't have to leech off benefits.




He will not go to a grave. He will be cremated. He is doing his Karma and working and earning money. He is providing employment to 1000s and doing charity to many. Thats what karma chakra teaches us. Unfortunately this 5000 year old philosophy isnt for you.

Please dont be sad and pity me. I am quite happy with my life. I suggest that you worry about your own.

Are Babar and Shaheen more passionate then pakistani greats of the previous generations? Because i watched them play the ICL ditching the pakistan team. They would regularly skip pakistan matches to play county and before my time they also ran away to play packer series.

Again, getting selected in a world 11 has nothing to do with making money. World 11s change every season.







If BCCI tried to isolate PSL they would do it in a blink of an eye. The only thing they need to say is that anyone associated with PSL wont get work with bcci. That would be enough.

But bcci is too big to be bothered by PCB and PSL unless ofcourse pcb wants to poke and start a confrontation.

After 30 years pakistan beat india in a WC match that. You are speaking as if pakistan has the upper hand in WC matches. Between that 2017 CT match and the 2021 match how many matches did India and Pakistan play and who won how many? May be that will tell you what's fluke.









Can you name some international bowlers of great repute or just international bowlers who have played the last 2-3 seasons of PSL?






England hasn't won the WC in football for 50 plus years, yet EPL is a great league. Big Money.

Before 2010 Spain didn't win the fifa WC, yet La liga is a great league.

Dont confuse things.

Regards to team selection, there is reason why that group of selectors were called jokers by most fans. Unfortunately those selectors were hoisted on the bcci during a court appointed regime.




Honestly i dont care what you think. You are not the authority to judge anyone's intelligence and certainly not mine.

You made a claim that PSL has a great market, i asked you a question, answer that. Why is the PSL broadcast value so low if the market is great? Why are you writing an essay on topics of spirituality, your patient, everyone's intelligence etc.

The question is very simple. Please answer it.




The market determines the money. If there was a big market, there would be more money in PSL.




Pakistani talent was there before the PSL as well and TBH it was far more. In the 90s the pakistani team had Anwar,Ijaz Inzy Waqar Wasim Saqi Razzaq, later Shoaib, Moyo etc. Thats talent. It would make even rivals stand up and appreciate.





PSL 4 months? Ok. Please do.

Yes you have survived. But others have thrived.[/QUOTE]

Others have thrived? Who are the other leagues apart from IPL which are thriving? Big Bash has been declining in the last few years. BPL hasn't really progressed since its inception and has been over taken by the PSL which was created after it, CPL is a surviving league, Natwest T-20 is another surviving league.

 

[arif_2021]

cricketkajoshila, again, there is nothing of substance for me to reply to. You continue to ask silly unintelligent questions that you can look up. Im not your teacher thats here to educate you every hour.

The fact that you are on a pakistani forum arguing with pakistanis who will never share your views organically, should be testament enough that you are an illogical person.

 

[arif_2021]

Savak, yes. Clearly, the survival of league depends on the population of that country. Sports market is a local phenomenon plus the interest in the sport. No one cares about NFL outside of USA for instance. However, cricket is a bit like soccer in that regard that international competition matters.

BCCI is trying to be like NFL, but the interesting thing is, they're DEPENDING on foreign talent LOL despite the billions.

So is PSL, but we do not have an issue with it. We know thats how things work. We are not hypocrites.

Pakistan has a population of 220 Million. It's the second largest country after India in terms of cricket viewership.

Next one is UK, then SA and Australia - but in SA cricket is viewed as a white man sport. Rugby and soccer is still the dominant sport. England, the dominant sport is again, soccer.

PSL by default is the second largest league because of viewership and interest. And keep in mind, it has not even been fully played in Pakistan for most of its time.

The brand needs time to grow and teams needed to be added.

Pakistan should focus on its own domestic and PSL and play cricket bilaterally with quality teams like AUS/SA/NZ/ENG.

The fact the Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen (and shadab and fakhar to a lesser degree) are top ranked players but dont play IPL is funny because IPL cannot by default have the best talent when it does not have the best players.

 

[Slim]

PSL might have issues in the first seasons of these leagues especially the UAE one if they happen to have clashing windows because those leagues are offering more money and hence international players might pivot for those.

However, in the longer term these leagues wont put more than a dent and would definitely fizzle out.

Reasons are simple:

Everything about UAE is artificial and inorganic. There's no local population to support their domestic league. Similar to how no one cares about Big Bash, CPL in Indo/Pak, no one is going to care about the UAE one. Lest if anyone is forgetting, this is not the first attempt on PSL. Does anyone remembers the Masters Champions League? It also came with big claims and literally bombed on the collective faces of the organizers. The saffer league will have domestic support but Saffer board is weaker than PCB and doubt would be able to put up much of an issue for PCB.

 

[Slim]

It’s still an in-house product with loyal fan following for cities, there is no way UAE/SA would able to replicate that.

There is more chance of IPL with tier 2 cities making it big without Indian players than UAE/SA will.

This is legit the biggest reason!

 

[Savak]

Savak, yes. Clearly, the survival of league depends on the population of that country. Sports market is a local phenomenon plus the interest in the sport. No one cares about NFL outside of USA for instance. However, cricket is a bit like soccer in that regard that international competition matters.

BCCI is trying to be like NFL, but the interesting thing is, they're DEPENDING on foreign talent LOL despite the billions.

So is PSL, but we do not have an issue with it. We know thats how things work. We are not hypocrites.

Pakistan has a population of 220 Million. It's the second largest country after India in terms of cricket viewership.

Next one is UK, then SA and Australia - but in SA cricket is viewed as a white man sport. Rugby and soccer is still the dominant sport. England, the dominant sport is again, soccer.

PSL by default is the second largest league because of viewership and interest. And keep in mind, it has not even been fully played in Pakistan for most of its time.

The brand needs time to grow and teams needed to be added.

Pakistan should focus on its own domestic and PSL and play cricket bilaterally with quality teams like AUS/SA/NZ/ENG.

The fact the Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen (and shadab and fakhar to a lesser degree) are top ranked players but dont play IPL is funny because IPL cannot by default have the best talent when it does not have the best players.

The problem being faced by the PSL is the disasterous state of the local economy which prevents it from achieving the Commercial Broadcast success it deserves based on the viewership it attracts and that will limit the amounts being paid to attract the top tier foreign players and coaches.

In this situation the PCB should search for a new window where it is far removed from the competition from the other leagues and should certainly not be held just before the IPL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are Babar and Shaheen more passionate then pakistani greats of the previous generations? Because i watched them play the ICL ditching the pakistan team. They would regularly skip pakistan matches to play county and before my time they also ran away to play packer series.

Again, getting selected in a world 11 has nothing to do with making money. World 11s change every season.







If BCCI tried to isolate PSL they would do it in a blink of an eye. The only thing they need to say is that anyone associated with PSL wont get work with bcci. That would be enough.

But bcci is too big to be bothered by PCB and PSL unless ofcourse pcb wants to poke and start a confrontation.

After 30 years pakistan beat india in a WC match that. You are speaking as if pakistan has the upper hand in WC matches. Between that 2017 CT match and the 2021 match how many matches did India and Pakistan play and who won how many? May be that will tell you what's fluke.









Can you name some international bowlers of great repute or just international bowlers who have played the last 2-3 seasons of PSL?






England hasn't won the WC in football for 50 plus years, yet EPL is a great league. Big Money.

Before 2010 Spain didn't win the fifa WC, yet La liga is a great league.

Dont confuse things.

Regards to team selection, there is reason why that group of selectors were called jokers by most fans. Unfortunately those selectors were hoisted on the bcci during a court appointed regime.




Honestly i dont care what you think. You are not the authority to judge anyone's intelligence and certainly not mine.

You made a claim that PSL has a great market, i asked you a question, answer that. Why is the PSL broadcast value so low if the market is great? Why are you writing an essay on topics of spirituality, your patient, everyone's intelligence etc.

The question is very simple. Please answer it.




The market determines the money. If there was a big market, there would be more money in PSL.




Pakistani talent was there before the PSL as well and TBH it was far more. In the 90s the pakistani team had Anwar,Ijaz Inzy Waqar Wasim Saqi Razzaq, later Shoaib, Moyo etc. Thats talent. It would make even rivals stand up and appreciate.





PSL 4 months? Ok. Please do.

Yes you have survived. But others have thrived.

Others have thrived? Who are the other leagues apart from IPL which are thriving? Big Bash has been declining in the last few years. BPL hasn't really progressed since its inception and has been over taken by the PSL which was created after it, CPL is a surviving league, Natwest T-20 is another surviving league.[/QUOTE]

BBL and the Hundred have very big tv rights deals.

BPL is actually no league at all, lets not even mention it.

TBH i dont quiet follow CPL so no idea.

 

[cricketjoshila]

cricketkajoshila, again, there is nothing of substance for me to reply to. You continue to ask silly unintelligent questions that you can look up. Im not your teacher thats here to educate you every hour.

The fact that you are on a pakistani forum arguing with pakistanis who will never share your views organically, should be testament enough that you are an illogical person.

Because you have no reply.

You claimed that PSL has a great market, yet you cannot answer why its value is low.

After going into spiritual ideas to my personal life, then making some story about some patient now your next stop is " This is a Pakistani forum, here most wont agree with your views, hence they are illogical".

You educate yourself regarding why PSL has such low broadcast deals when according to you it has great market.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The problem being faced by the PSL is the disasterous state of the local economy which prevents it from achieving the Commercial Broadcast success it deserves based on the viewership it attracts and that will limit the amounts being paid to attract the top tier foreign players and coaches.

In this situation the PCB should search for a new window where it is far removed from the competition from the other leagues and should certainly not be held just before the IPL.

By his logic 220mn pakistanis make PSL the second biggest league. So some 180mn Bangladeshis must make it the 3rd biggest one. No?

Why even bother about BBL and Hundred?

Value of a product is determined by the market and the market has determined a 12mn per year tv rights value for PSL. Thats same as UAE league.

 

[Saj]

This is going to become a battle between PSL and the UAE League.

Open competition between the two with backers of the UAE League hoping that they can break the back of the PSL.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[Savak]

By his logic 220mn pakistanis make PSL the second biggest league. So some 180mn Bangladeshis must make it the 3rd biggest one. No?

Why even bother about BBL and Hundred?

Value of a product is determined by the market and the market has determined a 12mn per year tv rights value for PSL. Thats same as UAE league.

Actually value of a product is determined by the size and conditions of the economy. Big Bash and Natwest have respectable tv rights deals because of the high growth rate economy they operate it even if the craze of Cricket and the viewership for the product is not as high vis a vis IPL and PSL.

PSL unfortunately is handicaped by a bankrupt, struggling Pakistani economy which reflects in the underwhelming tv rights deals regardless of the high viewership interest.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is going to become a battle between PSL and the UAE League.

Open competition between the two with backers of the UAE League hoping that they can break the back of the PSL.

Interesting times ahead.

Arent Emirates board and PCB on very good term?

 

[Savak]

The UAE League is a Pvt league. Emirates Cricket Board gave their go ahead to it but they have no ownership rights

 

[MenInG]

MI Emirates delighted to announce five promising talents for the inaugural season of ILT20

Dubai, 28 December, 2022: MI Emirates, today announced the signing of five dynamic young players Lorcan Tucker (Ireland), McKenny Clarke (West Indies), Daniel Mousley (England), Thomas Lammonby (England) and Craig Overton (England) who will join the #OneFamily ahead of the inaugural ILT20 season in January.

Reinforcing on Mumbai Indians’ philosophy of identifying, developing and nurturing young talents to unlock their true potential. The MI Emirates will give the players one of the finest platforms to express and explore their capabilities under the experienced players and also compete against some of the best international players.

New Players:

Lorcan Tucker, Ireland, 26-year-old batter wicketkeeper has represented Ireland, Ireland A and Ireland U19s
McKenny Clarke, West Indies, 19-year-old plays A list cricket and has represented West Indies U19 squad
Daniel Mousley, a batting all-rounder from England who has represented his country in U19 team, made his first-class debut in July 2019

Thomas Lammonby, represented England U19 and has played in T20 leagues around the world
Craig Overton, England born bowling all-rounder is one of the fast-bowling twins who was selected in the England’s 2017-18 tour to Australia. He represented England, England U19 and more teams in his career so far

MI Emirates also recently signed four local UAE players Mohammed Waseem, Basil Hameed, Zahoor Khan and Vriitya Aravind for the much awaited inaugural ILT20 season.

The young guns of MI Emirates will play alongside experienced international players like Kieron Pollard, Dwayne Bravo, Nicholas Pooran, Imran Tahir and Trent Boult. Furthermore, they will train under tutelage of Shane Bond (Head Coach), Parthiv Patel (Batting Coach), R Vinay Kumar (Bowling Coach) and James Franklin (Fielding Coach).

MI Emirates led by Kieron Pollard will play their first game on Saturday, 14th January, 7:30 p.m. IST at the Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi