Queen Elizabeth a descendant of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH), claims report

[karthikc]

Britain's Queen Elizabeth is a descendant of Prophet Muhammed, a Moroccan newspaper has claimed, attributing the bizarre finding to a study.

According to the Daily Mail, the findings were first published in 1986 by Burke's Peerage, a British authority on royal pedigrees. The Morrocan newspaper has claimed that 43 generations of Queen Elizabeth's family have been traced to produce the research finding that the Queen is a distant relative of the Prophet.

The study claims Elizabeth II's bloodline runs through the Earl of Cambridge in the 14th century, across medieval Muslim Spain, to Fatima, the Prophet's daughter.

The claim is disputed by some historians, but the genealogical records of early-medieval Spain support it. According to reports, Ali Gomaa, the former grand mufti of Egypt, also endorsed it.

"It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact," wrote Burke's publishing director, in a letter to then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in 1986.

The study by Burke's Peerage suggested that the Queen descended from a Muslim princess called Zaida, who fled her hometown Seville in the 11th century before converting to Christianity.

Zaida was the fourth wife of King Al-Mu'tamid ibn Abbad of Seville. She bore him a son, Sancho, whose descendant later married the Earl of Cambridge in the 11th century.

However, historians are divided over Zaida's origins. Some believe she was the daughter of a wine-drinking caliph descended from the Prophet, while others say she married into his family.

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[ManFan]

Any links to the report?

 

[karthikc]

Any links to the report?

I have given it at the very bottom of my post

 

[ManFan]

I have given it at the very bottom of my post

Thanks. Am going blind these days.

 

[Napa]

If you go back far enough, everybody has some common ancestors.

 

[Bosanquet]

If you go back far enough, everybody has some common ancestors.

Quite correct. Genetic studies have demonstrated that in any given population you only need to go back 35 generations and you will find that EVERYBODY alive at that time (who procreated) is the ancestor of EVERYBODY alive today!
And you need to go back just 100 generations (2500- 3000 years) to find the most recent SINGLE common ancestor to everybody alive in the world today. Just amazing data that.

 

[troodon]

Quite correct. Genetic studies have demonstrated that in any given population you only need to go back 35 generations and you will find that EVERYBODY alive at that time (who procreated) is the ancestor of EVERYBODY alive today!
And you need to go back just 100 generations (2500- 3000 years) to find the most recent SINGLE common ancestor to everybody alive in the world today. Just amazing data that.

So in 3000 years humans have again diversified into all these races?

 

[Napa]

So in 3000 years humans have again diversified into all these races?

Not quite, though [MENTION=143303]Bosanquet[/MENTION] is correct.

It is not only whether you share an ancestor. If you went back 35 generations, you have 2^35 or approximately 32,000,000,000 "ancestoral lines". There will be a lot of overlap, and your "race" is determined by percentages. While individual A 35 generations may the the end point of 10 ancestral lines for you, individual B could be the end point of 1,000,000,000 lines. So obviously the percentage of your genes from B would far exceed those from A, though A is indeed one of your ancestors.

The origin of modern "races" probably are endogamous populations that existed about 20,000 to 50,000 years ago.

 

[Bosanquet]

So in 3000 years humans have again diversified into all these races?

I don't think that follows automatically. This single human is likely to have had a number of offspring who then generation by generation spread through the known world populations mating with already established different regional groups. I avoid using the term "race" as there is no genetic basis for different "races". We are all the same race - homo sapiens.
The work itself was broadcast on a BBC program on statistics called "More or Less" (by an evolutionary biologist who specialises in computer modelling of populations - Yan Wong). I think you can still find it on the BBC science website.

 

[Bewal Express]

So in 3000 years humans have again diversified into all these races?

I read somewhere that its 30,000 years.

 

[TSA321]

Quite likely every Muslim in the world today descends from the Prophet Muhammad, c. 600 AD.
The Prophet is the proven ancestor of some Muslims alive today, hence probably ancestor of all of them.

Quite likely everyone in the West descends from the Prophet Muhammad, c. 600 AD.
There are also many known or suspected Muslim-Christian crossovers, in particular in medieval Spain. Even if specific ones, such as Zaida of Seville, are disproved, our model suggests that there will be others. The number of actual Muslim-Christian matings must be much higher than the few that we can suspect or prove. With the Muslim population of medieval Spain descended from the Prophet, it is almost impossible for the Christian population to stay separate. All we need is a tiny amount of interbreeding and fairly soon all the Christian population are descended from the Prophet too, and hence most or all of the West today. Religious barriers can't seriously push back the MRCA, only geographical barriers can.

It is interesting to think that the World Trade Centre attack was almost certainly some descendants of the Prophet killing other descendants of the Prophet.

Quite likely almost every Jew in the world today descends from the Prophet Muhammad, c. 600 AD.
By the same logic, there were Jews in medieval Spain, and it's hard to see them staying separate from the gradual descent of all of Muslim and Christian Spain from the Prophet. Again, all we need is a tiny amount of interbreeding for this to happen. And later the Jews of Spain were expelled, and are probably hence the ancestors of much or most of the world's Jews today.

It is interesting to think that every Palestinian suicide bombing attack on Israel is almost certainly some descendants of the Prophet killing other descendants of the Prophet.

Of course ultimately the whole world will descend from the Prophet. In fact, this may already be true!

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/ca.html

 

[Napa]

Quite likely every Muslim in the world today descends from the Prophet Muhammad, c. 600 AD.
The Prophet is the proven ancestor of some Muslims alive today, hence probably ancestor of all of them.

Quite likely everyone in the West descends from the Prophet Muhammad, c. 600 AD.
There are also many known or suspected Muslim-Christian crossovers, in particular in medieval Spain. Even if specific ones, such as Zaida of Seville, are disproved, our model suggests that there will be others. The number of actual Muslim-Christian matings must be much higher than the few that we can suspect or prove. With the Muslim population of medieval Spain descended from the Prophet, it is almost impossible for the Christian population to stay separate. All we need is a tiny amount of interbreeding and fairly soon all the Christian population are descended from the Prophet too, and hence most or all of the West today. Religious barriers can't seriously push back the MRCA, only geographical barriers can.

It is interesting to think that the World Trade Centre attack was almost certainly some descendants of the Prophet killing other descendants of the Prophet.

Quite likely almost every Jew in the world today descends from the Prophet Muhammad, c. 600 AD.
By the same logic, there were Jews in medieval Spain, and it's hard to see them staying separate from the gradual descent of all of Muslim and Christian Spain from the Prophet. Again, all we need is a tiny amount of interbreeding for this to happen. And later the Jews of Spain were expelled, and are probably hence the ancestors of much or most of the world's Jews today.

It is interesting to think that every Palestinian suicide bombing attack on Israel is almost certainly some descendants of the Prophet killing other descendants of the Prophet.

Of course ultimately the whole world will descend from the Prophet. In fact, this may already be true!

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/ca.html

There are probably many individuals in the past couple of thousand years who may have many descendants today. It is the mathematical nature of exponential growth. An individual may have a stable percentage of his genes in future populations, yet have his descendants grow at an exponential number.

In terms of percentage of genes in populations, Genghis Khan may be the leading contender. Charlemagne is up there too.

 

[DeadBall]

]Quite likely every Muslim in the world today descends from the Prophet Muhammad, c. 600 AD.[/B]
The Prophet is the proven ancestor of some Muslims alive today, hence probably ancestor of all of them.

Quite likely everyone in the West descends from the Prophet Muhammad, c. 600 AD.
There are also many known or suspected Muslim-Christian crossovers, in particular in medieval Spain. Even if specific ones, such as Zaida of Seville, are disproved, our model suggests that there will be others. The number of actual Muslim-Christian matings must be much higher than the few that we can suspect or prove. With the Muslim population of medieval Spain descended from the Prophet, it is almost impossible for the Christian population to stay separate. All we need is a tiny amount of interbreeding and fairly soon all the Christian population are descended from the Prophet too, and hence most or all of the West today. Religious barriers can't seriously push back the MRCA, only geographical barriers can.

It is interesting to think that the World Trade Centre attack was almost certainly some descendants of the Prophet killing other descendants of the Prophet.

Quite likely almost every Jew in the world today descends from the Prophet Muhammad, c. 600 AD.
By the same logic, there were Jews in medieval Spain, and it's hard to see them staying separate from the gradual descent of all of Muslim and Christian Spain from the Prophet. Again, all we need is a tiny amount of interbreeding for this to happen. And later the Jews of Spain were expelled, and are probably hence the ancestors of much or most of the world's Jews today.

It is interesting to think that every Palestinian suicide bombing attack on Israel is almost certainly some descendants of the Prophet killing other descendants of the Prophet.

Of course ultimately the whole world will descend from the Prophet. In fact, this may already be true!

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/ca.html

The Prophet is the proven ancestor of some Muslims alive today, hence probably ancestor of all of them.

Just .

Also how can "almost likely" every Jew be a descendant of Muhammad when they were there thousands of years before his birth and are the founders of the Abrahamic religions? Another .


Btw the site also says that quite likely almost everyone in the world descends from Confucius so nvm.

 

[TSA321]

The Prophet is the proven ancestor of some Muslims alive today, hence probably ancestor of all of them.

Just /facepalm

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/ca.math.html#some.means.all

Also how can "almost likely" every Jew be a descendant of Muhammad when they were there thousands of years before his birth and are the founders of the Abrahamic religions? Another .
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It's obviously talking about the Jews that are alive today, not the ones that were alive before Muhammad was born. Anyway I'm not saying I agree with everything that site says, just thought I'd share it.

 

[Markhor]

Well she's got the disapproving Asian aunty look down so maybe this report isn't such a stretch...

 

[DeadBall]

It's obviously talking about the Jews that are alive today, not the ones that were alive before Muhammad was born. Anyway I'm not saying I agree with everything that site says, just thought I'd share it.

Very selective sharing to be honest. Not even going to discuss how a people who were born before a certain person are now all "almost likely" descendants of said person.

 

[DonJee]

Found this on facebook yesterday, and now I find this thread on PakPassion...

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

this has been around for a while, and her claim is actually one of the better ones, there is a clear timeline that supports it


However this means nothing, its only in some subcultures we treat Sayyids like another class of people

 

[Shutdown Corner]

And you need to go back just 100 generations (2500- 3000 years) to find the most recent SINGLE common ancestor to everybody alive in the world today. Just amazing data that.

You are talking about the MRCA or most recent common ancestor. He's surely far more distant than just 100 generations ago, although wikipedia is saying its possible he/she lived 3000 years ago. I just feel thats way too recent. 20,000 years at the earliest would be my guess, but I'm not an expert by any means.

 

[Pakistanian]

When Brown people make these claim they get insulted but when the Queen of England does the same then it's cool smh.