Ravichandran Ashwin vs Nathan Lyon vs Ravindra Jadeja - Who is the better Test spinner?

[Ab Fan]

Undoubtedly the three best spinners of this generation. How do you rate them?

Ashwin - 507 wickets, Avg 24
Jadeja - 292 wickets, Avg 24
Lyon - 521 wickets, Avg 30

Ashwin

Format Format	M Matches	Inn Innings	B Balls Bowled	Mdn Maidens	Runs Runs Given	W Wickets	BB Best Bowling	Econ Economy Rate	Avg Average	SR Strike Rate	4W 4 Wicket Hauls	5W 5 Wicket Hauls
Test 2011–	99	187	26012	888	12127	507	7/59	2.79	23.9	51.3	24	35

Nathan Lyon

Format Format	M Matches	Inn Innings	B Balls Bowled	Mdn Maidens	Runs Runs Given	W Wickets	BB Best Bowling	Econ Economy Rate	Avg Average	SR Strike Rate	4W 4 Wicket Hauls	5W 5 Wicket Hauls
Test 2011–	127	238	32440	1034	15889	517	8/50	2.93	30.7	62.7	23	23

Ravindra Jadeja

Format Format	M Matches	Inn Innings	B Balls Bowled	Mdn Maidens	Runs Runs Given	W Wickets	BB Best Bowling	Econ Economy Rate	Avg Average	SR Strike Rate	4W 4 Wicket Hauls	5W 5 Wicket Hauls
Test 2012–	71	134	17119	703	7054	292	7/42	2.47	24.1	58.6	13	13

Discuss!

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ashwin ofcourse. Lyon is also good. But shade below. Lyon enjoyed the advantage of playing every match whether he is poor or not as he had no competition. India tactically is a different side. India wanted 4 seamers to win matches. India doesn't have fast bowling all rounder. So they sacrificed Ashwin. In Australia's case they do have a lot of fast bowling all rounders. Besides after Lyon there is virtually nobody in Australia to compete with him. In the matches Ashwin and Lyon played against each other in Australia, Both Jadeja/Ashwin bowled better than him.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

as a specialist bowler i will surely pick Nathan Lyon but if i want to extend my batting lineup then Jadeja is a better option.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Lyon in SENA, Ashwin in SC, WI. As an overall contributor, Jadeja, because of his fielding/batting.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Ashwin and Lyon on the same run of the ladder. Jadeja nowhere near them if considered only as a spinner.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Lyon in SENA, Ashwin in SC, WI. As an overall contributor, Jadeja, because of his fielding/batting.

Lyon never played much cricket in SC otherwise he could have surpassed murli too in terms of wickets.

 

[Buffet]

It's a myth that Lyon would have a better record if he had played more in SC.

Lyon's career Average: 30.6
Lyon's avg in Asia: 30.8

Lyon was outbowled by Ashwin and Jadeja both in Aus the last two times.

Ashwin is simply a better spinner.

 

[sweep_shot]

It's a myth that Lyon would have a better record if he had played more in SC.

Lyon's career Average: 30.6
Lyon's avg in Asia: 30.8

Lyon was outbowled by Ashwin and Jadeja both in Aus the last two times.

Ashwin is simply a better spinner.

I sometimes wonder whether you are an Indian national. You defend Indian players more than Indians themselves.

For the record, Ashwin played 59 Tests in India and Lyon played only 28 Tests in Asia.

If Lyon played 59 Tests in India, he probably would be having 600-650 wickets by now.

Point is Lyon is simply better.

 

[charlie007]

I sometimes wonder whether you are an Indian national. You defend Indian players more than Indians themselves.

For the record, Ashwin played 59 Tests in India and Lyon played only 28 Tests in Asia.

If Lyon played 59 Tests in India, he probably would be having 600-650 wickets by now.

Point is Lyon is simply better.

This argument is flawed. They play where they play, that’s the end of it. You can argue these hypotheticals for all players batting or bowling.
Also, if Lyon played those matches in India, then he wouldn’t be playing those matches elsewhere so you’ll have to remove those wickets out if those matches! Anyway, the premise of your argument itself is flawed.

 

[Buffet]

I sometimes wonder whether you are an Indian national. You defend Indian players more than Indians themselves.

For the record, Ashwin played 59 Tests in India and Lyon played only 28 Tests in Asia.

If Lyon played 59 Tests in India, he probably would be having 600-650 wickets by now.

Point is Lyon is simply better.

Why not debate the post and not the poster? Do you dispute the data point?

It seems you are not getting the math.

He could have played 30 fewer tests in Aus and 30 more in Asia, it won't change his wickets tally by much because his output is around 30-31 runs per wicket at home and also in Asia. The point about Lyon's record looking much better if he had played more tests in Asia is absurd and that's why I put the stats.

Lyon bowls differently and has adapted his game for bouncy surfaces. One of the best spinners to play for Aus.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I sometimes wonder whether you are an Indian national. You defend Indian players more than Indians themselves.

For the record, Ashwin played 59 Tests in India and Lyon played only 28 Tests in Asia.

If Lyon played 59 Tests in India, he probably would be having 600-650 wickets by now.

Point is Lyon is simply better.

How do you know lol He plays only in Indian series where dust bowls are offered for some SENA teams where even Kuneman, Murphy will outbowl Lyon. But Ashwin plays on flat pitches too. Lyon simply doesn't have the skill level of Ashwin. Lyon failed to remove Indian tail 3 or 4 times in a row in that famous serious against C string Indian side.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

It's a myth that Lyon would have a better record if he had played more in SC.

Lyon's career Average: 30.6
Lyon's avg in Asia: 30.8

Lyon was outbowled by Ashwin and Jadeja both in Aus the last two times.

Ashwin is simply a better spinner.

ashwin looks better only on spin tracks but becomes flatter where a bit of grass comes into play... Lyon can get u wickets even on grassy wickets too.

 

[Vikram1989]

ashwin looks better only on spin tracks but becomes flatter where a bit of grass comes into play... Lyon can get u wickets even on grassy wickets too.

Aswin got the wickets on the absolute grass field in 21 wtc finals.India leaves him out for the batting when compared to jadeja.He got smarter and better with time otherwise no spinner must have troubled smith in aus like that 20-21 series

 

[Romali_rotti]

Ashwin has been less effective in SENA, I don't think it is because of talent or skill, Ashwin just doesnt know how to use the conditions...

 

[BouncerGuy]

Ashwin and Jadeja edge out Lyon here. Both ashwin and jadeja can bat as well and they have already been taking wickets on pitches that do not support spinners.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Lyon never played much cricket in SC otherwise he could have surpassed murli too in terms of wickets.

Lyon hasn't been that great in SC. Good, but not much different to his record in Australia, his overspin is less effective in SC.

 

[Swashbuckler]

I sometimes wonder whether you are an Indian national. You defend Indian players more than Indians themselves.

For the record, Ashwin played 59 Tests in India and Lyon played only 28 Tests in Asia.

If Lyon played 59 Tests in India, he probably would be having 600-650 wickets by now.

Point is Lyon is simply better.

Not extra 100-150 wickets. Thing is if you give him 30 tests in SC at the expense of 30 from Aus, he will have to average less than 10 runs per wicket in SC to get to 600-650, that is simple math. His career stats aren't much different between SENA and SC.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Ashwin is the best amongst them
Then Lyon and then Jadeja.

Although overall Jadeja is the best out of them all

 

[Ab Fan]

I sometimes wonder whether you are an Indian national. You defend Indian players more than Indians themselves.

For the record, Ashwin played 59 Tests in India and Lyon played only 28 Tests in Asia.

If Lyon played 59 Tests in India, he probably would be having 600-650 wickets by now.

Point is Lyon is simply better.

Better to debate the post rather than poster here. One could argue the same about you too whether you are Pakistani national or Bangladeshi. So, let's not go there. Stick to the discussion as to how is Lyon simply better than Ashwin or Jadeja.

 

[hassan918]

I would go with Lyon because he has taken more wickets in away test matches while Ashwin took most of his wickets in India where pitches are made for the spinners and sometimes it becomes almost impossible to bat in the 3rd and 4th innings for most of the batters.

 

[Mamoon]

Ashwin is the GOAT off-spinner. He is clearly better than Lyon who is probably on par with Jadeja, but Jadeja brings 10x more value to the team than Lyon because of his all-round capabilities.

Jadeja is the GOAT Asian Test all-rounder.

 

[sweep_shot]

Lyon showed today why he has been the best spinner since Warne and Murali.

He now has 527 Test wickets.

 

[Vikram1989]

Lyon showed today why he has been the best spinner since Warne and Murali.

He now has 527 Test wickets.

Am.sure u have not even seen the pitch.it was like sub continent 5th day pitch with turn,bounce. average turn todays as per stats was 5.7 degrees. So any spinner would have fancied their chances there.phillips too got the 5 wicket haul in the previous innings.at one end it was 4.2 degrees of average turn and at another it was.5.7.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Lyon showed today why he has been the best spinner since Warne and Murali.

He now has 527 Test wickets.

Yea on a pitch Glen phillips looked unplayable lol Ashwin bowled only one innings in NZ in his entire career. HE took 3 wickets. Where was this Lyon when injured Ashwin and Vihari batted out 43 overs on a 5th day SCG pitch for a draw. Infact they would have won it had they bated another session.

 

[Vikram1989]

Yea on a pitch Glen phillips looked unplayable lol Ashwin bowled only one innings in NZ in his entire career. HE took 3 wickets. Where was this Lyon when injured Ashwin and Vihari batted out 43 overs on a 5th day SCG pitch for a draw. Infact they would have won it had they bated another session.

I would say even if vihari was fit enough to take singles and Jadeja was half fit,we must have won it.once target is in 50 runs even Aussies will not have attacked that much with close field.

 

[sweep_shot]

Ashwin got 70% of his wickets in India. He is generally a home track bully.

Lyon can take wickets everywhere.

For any SENA spinner, to get 500 wickets means a very big deal (considering they mostly play in SENA).

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ashwin got 70% of his wickets in India. He is a home track bully.

Lyon can take wickets anywhere.

For any SENA spinner, to get 500 wickets means a very big deal (considering they mostly play in SENA).

Not anywhere. He failed 3 back to back to tests against an under-strength India and India ended up winning in Australia. Also failed in that famous chase of Stokes.

 

[sweep_shot]

Not anywhere. He failed 3 back to back to tests against an under-strength India and India ended up winning in Australia. Also failed in that famous chase of Stokes.

You are still focusing on that old series. It happened a long time ago.

I wonder if you will still talk about it in year 2050.

Where were Ashwin and Jadeja last time India played Tests in New Zealand? They couldn't do much.

 

[Vikram1989]

You are still focusing on that old series. It happened a long time ago.

I wonder if you will still talk about it in year 2050.

Where were Ashwin and Jadeja last time India played Tests in New Zealand? They couldn't do much.

As per u, aus series in 2019,2021,2023 are older but series against nz in 2020 is new.aswin and jadeja played 1 match each on a green pitch.u may never know in nz, pitches for india it are green pitches and for aus its a batting pitch.so definitely a spinner can't be much help.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You are still focusing on that old series. It happened a long time ago.

I wonder if you will still talk about it in year 2050.

Where were Ashwin and Jadeja last time India played Tests in New Zealand? They couldn't do much.

We are talking about career. So obviously his failure has to be pointed out. Don't hide behind pitches for 30 average. In DRS era that is decent at best.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You are still focusing on that old series. It happened a long time ago.

I wonder if you will still talk about it in year 2050.

Where were Ashwin and Jadeja last time India played Tests in New Zealand? They couldn't do much.

Ashwin bowled just one innings. Took 3 for 99. So don't ask where was.

 

[Vikram1989]

Ashwin bowled just one innings. Took 3 for 99. So don't ask where was.

Infact big joke is nz spinner bowled 6 overs in the first match and there were no spinner in the second match.

 

[kron]

How do you know lol He plays only in Indian series where dust bowls are offered for some SENA teams where even Kuneman, Murphy will outbowl Lyon. But Ashwin plays on flat pitches too. Lyon simply doesn't have the skill level of Ashwin. Lyon failed to remove Indian tail 3 or 4 times in a row in that famous serious against C string Indian side.

Was it indian cricket batting? It was indian cricket bowling sure

But kohli was in terrible form at the time.
Rahane is a joke of a batsman. Good captain though.
Sundar is quality and he played
Pant is elite
Mayank is rubbish. I agree with that.

Also gill played.

So batting was full strength barring 1 or 2 players.

Now indian batting looks better though. Get rid of guys like Rahul and patidar who are just timid cricketers then india can win again

 

[kron]

ashwin looks better only on spin tracks but becomes flatter where a bit of grass comes into play... Lyon can get u wickets even on grassy wickets too.

I will say Lyon is better in sen. Aswin in Asia and west indies.

In Australia ashwin outbowled Lyon last time and in 2018.

 

[kron]

Lyon needs rough imparted by starts footprints to be effective.
Quality spinner wirh great overspin. I would pick him over ash in sen pitches.
In Australia it's questionable as ash seems to have better performances.

In Asia and w.inides ash wins there.

 

[kron]

Ashwin is the GOAT off-spinner. He is clearly better than Lyon who is probably on par with Jadeja, but Jadeja brings 10x more value to the team than Lyon because of his all-round capabilities.

Jadeja is the GOAT Asian Test all-rounder.

Jadeja over imran ? No chance.
He is below kapil too

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja over imran ? No chance.
He is below kapil too

Imran is one of the best cricketer but not the greatest all rounder. His batting was Vettori level for 80% of his career and then in rest 20% of his career, he took his batting to next level but only on account of loss in bowling ( became a part timer).

Jadeja has his average to 36 even though he is batting and bowling both.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think both Ashwin and Lyon are on par with each other. Both have had their limitations but did great job to be integral member of the team and went on to pick 500+ test wickets.

Jadeja as a bowler is probably behind both. But as overall cricketer, better than both and quite comfortably the best test all rounder of this era and also in the league of 80s golden quartet and Kallis.

 

[Croma]

Statistically it's Ashwin.
He has 10 player of the Match awards which is the second highest ever in test history, just one behind the GOAT off -pinner Muralitharan.

If you deep-dive and nitpick, then Jadeja and Lyon might trump him in some stats

 

[Vikram1989]

I think both Ashwin and Lyon are on par with each other. Both have had their limitations but did great job to be integral member of the team and went on to pick 500+ test wickets.

Jadeja as a bowler is probably behind both. But as overall cricketer, better than both and quite comfortably the best test all rounder of this era and also in the league of 80s golden quartet and Kallis.

But aswin is a classical batsmen too .he got more hundreds than a certain Australian keeper batsmen.He saved sydney match,got a good century in chennai against eng ,tied a match against wi etc.Sydney save is even a proud thing for a batsmen and he completely outfoxed pak in mcg.Retiring himself out and mankading with out guilt are good ideas brought in t20s.He is definitely worth more than Lyon as a cricketer.

 

[Ab Fan]

But aswin is a classical batsmen too .he got more hundreds than a certain Australian keeper batsmen.He saved sydney match,got a good century in chennai against eng ,tied a match against wi etc.Sydney save is even a proud thing for a batsmen and he completely outfoxed pak in mcg.Retiring himself out and mankading with out guilt are good ideas brought in t20s.He is definitely worth more than Lyon as a cricketer.

As a cricketer, both Jadeja and Ashwin are better than Lyon obviously.

But this thread is about bowling only.

 

[Vikram1989]

As a cricketer, both Jadeja and Ashwin are better than Lyon obviously.

But this thread is about bowling only.

Yeah Ur rt.but I was not able to think aswin at others level.Aswin planned smith dismissals after watching 6 months of his batting videos .I don't think anyone now a days is so insane and single minded .Aswin after suffering such a disease was able to redeem himself and rose from the ashes.Aswin never missed an opportunity on the spinning pitches but Lyon missed it completely in the last series and the final say at gabba.

 

[happydavy]

Lyon is far superior to both Ashwin and Jadeja. Ash and jaddu have built their careers around the tailored made pitches for them to succeed in India and that's why they fail outside SC. Lyon on the other hand takes wickets everywhere and win matches all across the world. In terms of match winning performances across the world, Lyon has no competitor.

 

[happydavy]

Yeah Ur rt.but I was not able to think aswin at others level.Aswin planned smith dismissals after watching 6 months of his batting videos .I don't think anyone now a days is so insane and single minded .Aswin after suffering such a disease was able to redeem himself and rose from the ashes.Aswin never missed an opportunity on the spinning pitches but Lyon missed it completely in the last series and the final say at gabba.

Do u know how many times Ashwin feigned injuries on 4th inning wickets outside India when he couldn't take wickets. Why do you think Shastri dropped him and publicly humiliated him? Because whether in England or Aus, he was consistently failing and then pretending to be injured when couldn't take wickets. Lyon is twice the bowler Ashwin is, and 4 times better when it comes to taking wickets on not so helpful pitches in SENA.

 

[Vikram1989]

Do u know how many times Ashwin feigned injuries on 4th inning wickets outside India when he couldn't take wickets. Why do you think Shastri dropped him and publicly humiliated him? Because whether in England or Aus, he was consistently failing and then pretending to be injured when couldn't take wickets. Lyon is twice the bowler Ashwin is, and 4 times better when it comes to taking wickets on not so helpful pitches in SENA.

“The pain never really goes off” - Ravichandran Ashwin recalls struggle with injuries between 2017 and 2019

Team India’s seasoned off-spinner Ravichandran Ashwin has opened up on his battles with multiple injury issues between 2017 and 2019.

www.sportskeeda.com

U can go through about his fake injuries

 

[jnaveen1980]

Do u know how many times Ashwin feigned injuries on 4th inning wickets outside India when he couldn't take wickets. Why do you think Shastri dropped him and publicly humiliated him? Because whether in England or Aus, he was consistently failing and then pretending to be injured when couldn't take wickets. Lyon is twice the bowler Ashwin is, and 4 times better when it comes to taking wickets on not so helpful pitches in SENA.

Yea. guy who manfully batted through injury for 43 overs feighn injury. Lyon is nowhere close to the guile and variation of Ashwin. That is why he is averaging 30. Despite being a regular unlike Ashwin who for combination reason was left out Lyon performance in different countries. Not to mention India is greeted with tracks that don't break for 6 or 7 days. Australia gets a track that is not helpful for seamers.

IN Australia 31 avge
In England 30 avge
In India 27 avge
In Pakistan 44 avge
In SA 40 avge
In SL 32 avge
In UAE 53 avge

Ya "twice the bowler" lol

 

[Mamoon]

Jadeja over imran ? No chance.
He is below kapil too

Jadeja has surpassed both Imran and Kapil as Test all-rounders. His last 5 years have been GOAT level.

 

[Ab Fan]

But aswin is a classical batsmen too .he got more hundreds than a certain Australian keeper batsmen.He saved sydney match,got a good century in chennai against eng ,tied a match against wi etc.Sydney save is even a proud thing for a batsmen and he completely outfoxed pak in mcg.Retiring himself out and mankading with out guilt are good ideas brought in t20s.He is definitely worth more than Lyon as a cricketer.

Do u know how many times Ashwin feigned injuries on 4th inning wickets outside India when he couldn't take wickets. Why do you think Shastri dropped him and publicly humiliated him? Because whether in England or Aus, he was consistently failing and then pretending to be injured when couldn't take wickets. Lyon is twice the bowler Ashwin is, and 4 times better when it comes to taking wickets on not so helpful pitches in SENA.

Yes, in 2018 and 2020 tours of Australia, Ashwin outperformed Lyon as Lyon failed to break through Indian batting lineup on day 5 wickets of Gabba and Sydney and costed Aussies that legendary series which was expected to be Australia's series of revenge of 2018.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

on Asian tracks i will pick Ashwin and in SENA countries Lyon.

 

[Ahmed216]

Best among them is Lyon. Ashwin's record outside of SC and west indies must be average. Jadeja can only bowl in India.
Lyon is lovely to watch too with that classical action

 

[Ab Fan]

Best among them is Lyon. Ashwin's record outside of SC and west indies must be average. Jadeja can only bowl in India.
Lyon is lovely to watch too with that classical action

Jadeja has good record in Windies and SL too. Both J&A have good record in Australia too.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I think Lyon is the best among them.

 

[W63L35]

 

[sweep_shot]

View attachment 142520

Thanks for the stats.

This image shows why Lyon is better than Ashwin.

 

[PakEngFan]

Lyon showed today why he has been the best spinner since Warne and Murali.

He now has 527 Test wickets.

He's taken a 10fer in SENA someone like Ashwin could only dream of taking a 5fer let alone a 10 fer.

 

[PakEngFan]

On custom made pitches Ashwin and jadeja anywhere else Lyon.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Lyon is superior in SENA. Ashwin is superior on subcontinent pitches.
Overall, as a bowler, Lyon has the edge over Ashwin. However, Ashwin is a better player than Lyon as he can contribute with the bat as well.

 

[jeetu]

Overall

Player	Span	Mat	Wkts	Ave	Econ	SR	5W	10W
Lyon	2011-2024	128	527	30.35	2.93	61.9	24	5
Ashwin	2011-2024	99	507	23.91	2.79	51.3	35	8
Jadeja	2012-2024	71	292	24.15	2.47	58.6	13	2

In India , Pakistan , SL , UAE

Player	Span	Mat	Wkts	Ave	Econ	SR	5W	10W
Lyon	2011-2023	26	118	33.88	3.05	66.5	8	1
Ashwin	2011-2024	65	392	21.35	2.78	46	30	7
Jadeja	2012-2024	45	224	21.32	2.41	52.9	12	2

In SENA

Player	Span	Mat	Wkts	Ave	Econ	SR	5W	10W
Lyon	2011-2024	95	366	30.57	2.93	62.5	12	3
Ashwin	2011-2023	25	71	39.36	2.81	83.7	0	0
Jadeja	2013-2024	21	52	37.23	2.66	83.7	1	0

In WestIndies and Bangladesh

Player	Span	Mat	Wkts	Ave	Econ	SR	5W	10W
Lyon	2012-2017	7	43	18.74	2.53	44.4	4	1
Ashwin	2015-2023	9	44	21.81	2.88	45.3	5	1
Jadeja	2016-2023	5	16	21.31	2.27	56.1	0	0

 

[jnaveen1980]

SENA filtee cannot be used at all as Indias bowling strategy is different. Unlike Australia Ashwin has a competition within his team due to batting and fielding. Despite being world.no.1 ranked bowler Ashwin did not play many overseas test because of this. Head to head Ashwin outbowles Lyon evening Australia.

 

[Croma]

View attachment 142520

Shahid Afridi has more 5 wickets hauls in ODI than Wasim Akram.

Is Shahid Afridi better than Wasim Akram?

 

[happydavy]

Reason i think Lyon is the best amongst them is that if Lyon plays all his matches in India or the same proportion of overall matches in India as Ashwin and Jadeja had esp. on the pitches we make, then he will end up with pretty much similar numbers as both of them. And it's true for many spinners. On our pitches, it doesn't matter even if Ashwin or Jaddu miss matches as even the likes of Axar Patel or Kuldeep or even Jayant Yadav win us matches easily. I am sure all of these cricketers would be at soem level jealous of Ashwin/Jaddu that they are milking records on favorable matches, while they could still do the same. Even a 21 yrs debutant kid like Todd Murphy took bucketfull of wickets, while in India last time. However, Ashwin and Jaddu can no way produce similar numbers to Lyon as he has produced in not so helpful conditions of SENA countries, and that to me is the reason why Lyon is far superior to them.

 

[Advaith]

Reason i think Lyon is the best amongst them is that if Lyon plays all his matches in India or the same proportion of overall matches in India as Ashwin and Jadeja had esp. on the pitches we make, then he will end up with pretty much similar numbers as both of them. And it's true for many spinners. On our pitches, it doesn't matter even if Ashwin or Jaddu miss matches as even the likes of Axar Patel or Kuldeep or even Jayant Yadav win us matches easily. I am sure all of these cricketers would be at soem level jealous of Ashwin/Jaddu that they are milking records on favorable matches, while they could still do the same. Even a 21 yrs debutant kid like Todd Murphy took bucketfull of wickets, while in India last time. However, Ashwin and Jaddu can no way produce similar numbers to Lyon as he has produced in not so helpful conditions of SENA countries, and that to me is the reason why Lyon is far superior to them.

And yet Shane Warne, Muttiah muralidharan and others can't do whatever you are expecting from jayant Yadav or whoever..
In same logic bumrah shami and siraj must be better than all Sena bowlers ..If lyon can average 30+ and still better than 23+ Ashwin , our fast bowlers should be incomparable to Sena fast bowlers...
Anybody can ridicule any player but overall performance is what matters ..

 

[W63L35]

Shahid Afridi has more 5 wickets hauls in ODI than Wasim Akram.

Is Shahid Afridi better than Wasim Akram?

In my screen shot, I had highlighted 5 wickets hauls.
So, according to your logic.... Ashwin (Afridi) has 35 wicket hauls.... and Lyon (Wasim Akram) has only 24 5 wicket hauls....? Right?
Never mind the fact that Afridi got his 35 5 WI in only 4 countries whereas Wasim Akram got his 5 WI in 9 different countries.

 

[kron]

on Asian tracks i will pick Ashwin and in SENA countries Lyon.

Only in SA and nz I will.pick Lyon.
Ash outbowled Lyon in Australia. Ash is just as good in England.
Rest all would favour Ash. Pitches that is

 

[kron]

Jadeja has surpassed both Imran and Kapil as Test all-rounders. His last 5 years have been GOAT level.

Kapil played in a much weaker side and carried them single handedly. I disagree with that notion. Jadeja is inferior to kapil.

Certainly inferior to imran the bowler. As an AR, that's a tough one. I do feel imrans batting is better than jadejas batting exploits overseas except in Australia and west indies. But imran played a much tougher West indies side at the time.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Kapil played in a much weaker side and carried them single handedly. I disagree with that notion. Jadeja is inferior to kapil.

Certainly inferior to imran the bowler. As an AR, that's a tough one. I do feel imrans batting is better than jadejas batting exploits overseas except in Australia and west indies. But imran played a much tougher West indies side at the time.

Imran is much better than jaddu, no comparison between them

 

[pratiktc]

Ashwin is the all time greatest spinner from India. He walks into Indian ATG team and most likely into most other ATG teams as well

 

[pratiktc]

If he was English he would have played 150 tests have nearly 650 wkts and English management would have given him a blank check contract to stay on in intl cricket till 2025/26 Ashes

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Ashwin was on track to be close to Murali, but he doesnt get enough matches.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

If he was English he would have played 150 tests have nearly 650 wkts and English management would have given him a blank check contract to stay on in intl cricket till 2025/26 Ashes

150 matches?? He would have reached 750 wickets bhai.

 

[kron]

As a pure bowler overall
Ashwin
Lyon
Then jadeja

As an AR jadeja

 

[KP From India]

I sometimes wonder whether you are an Indian national. You defend Indian players more than Indians themselves.

For the record, Ashwin played 59 Tests in India and Lyon played only 28 Tests in Asia.

If Lyon played 59 Tests in India, he probably would be having 600-650 wickets by now.

Point is Lyon is simply better.

Do you know how many tests Murali had to play to get 600-650 Wkts?