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Turkey will continue its cooperation with Malaysia, Qatar and Iran over both regional and international issues President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said Friday, underlining the importance of unity in the Islamic world.

“(During the Kuala Lumpur summit) we had the chance to discuss the challenges that the Islamic world faces with the participation of the presidents of Turkey, Malaysia, Qatar and Iran as well as many other high-level representatives from various countries,” Erdoğan told Turkish media representatives before returning to Turkey, in Kuala Lumpur.

Underlining that the issues of development, research and improvement, science and technology, entrepreneurship and the defense industry were particularly discussed during the summit, the president said that “hopefully” the cooperation between the aforementioned countries will continue with similar summits on the way.

Erdoğan stated that within the scope of the summit, there were also many bilateral meetings with Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani.

“In order to solve our issues, we will continue to increase our cooperation and dialogue in the upcoming period as well,” the president underlined.

The Kuala Lumpur Summit held from Dec. 18 to Dec. 21 was a global platform for dialogue that brought together Muslim leaders, intellectuals and scholars to produce solutions to problems faced by Muslims.

It focused on issues such as development and sovereignty, integrity and good governance, culture and identity, justice and freedom, peace, security and defense, and technology and internet governance.

Expressing that the four leaders outlined goals during the event, Erdoğan said this will not be a process that is only being made up of this summit but will see further action as well.

“We will continue our work in a way that would involve the areas of science, art, the defense industry, economy, trade and culture,” Erdoğan said, adding that they, as the leaders, have taken all the notes needed to improve these areas.

“Thanks to this opportunity, we had the chance to ask why the Islamic world, which was the symbol of science, knowledge, culture, art and welfare, has come to this end. We need to sincerely ask these questions and answer them,” Erdoğan expressed, adding that despite huge potential hidden within Muslim countries, due to problems such as internal conflicts, ignorance, wars and bad management, this potential remains untouched.

The president also said the backwardness of the Muslim countries benefits no one.

“However, the Muslim countries themselves should pull themselves together,” he emphasized.

Regarding the absence of Pakistan and Indonesia at the summit, the president said he would have liked to have seen them present as well. When it comes to Saudi Arabia’s and United Arab Emirates' (UAE) effect in this absence, Erdoğan stated that this is not a first for the countries since they have the tendency to put pressure on other countries in doing or not doing things.

“Unfortunately, we see that Saudi Arabia pressures Pakistan. Now, there are promises that the country has given to Pakistan regarding the central bank. However, more than that, there are 4 million Pakistanis working in Saudi Arabia. They (threaten by saying that they) would send (Pakistanis) back and re-employ Bangladeshi people instead,” Erdoğan said, adding that the kingdom has also used similar threatening tactics regarding the central bank case by claiming that they would withdraw their money. According to Erdoğan, due to its economic difficulties, Pakistan had to obey such threats, while implying that Indonesia has also suffered from similar problems.

Somalia rises with assistance from Turkey

When one of the journalists mentioned that similar situations have also taken place in Iraq, Syria and Somalia, Erdoğan agreed that these are all similar cases.

“As you know, these (Saudi Arabia and the UAE) did not contribute to Somalia at all. However, Somalia, despite being in trouble (at the time) took a stance,” the president said, referring to the UAE’s intention of taking on initiatives in the country that were eventually canceled either by the UAE itself or denied by the Somalian government.

Erdoğan also pointed to the fact that “surprisingly” almost none of these supposed “bigger” countries have any embassies in Somalia.

“They have constructed something similar to a trailer near the airport, and they call it an embassy. Our biggest embassy in the world is in Somalia,” the president highlighted, adding that there are also many projects being conducted by Turkey in the African country that aim to assist the Somalian people.

“Right now, we are providing military training to Somalians and their training is taking place there. There are also health services and educational services (that are being provided by Turkey),” he expressed, adding that there are also many Somalian students in Turkey.

The president highlighted that these ties with Somalia will improve in the upcoming period, indicating that if one’s intentions are good, the end result would be good as well.

Turkey, under the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) government, launched a continental initiative to reach out to African countries whose relations with Turkey have been mostly limited since the early years of the Republic of Turkey.

Turkey's vast aid effort at the height of the 2011 famine endeared it to many Somali people, and it has continued to pour in aid, much of it from private companies.

It has built schools, hospitals and infrastructure and providing Somalis with scholarships to study in Turkey. President Erdoğan has visited Mogadishu twice since his visit to the war-ravaged country in 2011. He was the first non-African leader to visit the war-ravaged country in 20 years.

Rapidly growing trade between the two nations has followed. In 2010, Turkish exports to Somalia totaled just $5.1 million. In five years, this figure ballooned to $123 million. In the space of a few years, Turkey has gone from Somalia's 20th-largest source of imports to its fifth-largest.

Ankara does its best in Libya

As far as the developments in Syria and Libya are concerned, Erdoğan said both issues were some of the main topics in the summit.

“If this quadruple team embraces these issues (the situations in Syria and Libya) in the upcoming period and adopt a determined stance going forward, there might be some concrete results in the end,” the president said, expressing his hope for cooperation.

Underlining that Turkey will maintain its stance in both Libya and Syria, Erdoğan said the upcoming process will also be the one that has no place for a stance like “let sleeping dogs lie,” as it was before.

The president also responded to criticism questioning Turkey’s involvement in the Syrian and Libyan crises, saying that no one has questioned what coalition powers were doing in Iraq or what the UAE was doing in Libya.

“As you know, Haftar is not a legitimate politician. He is illegitimate. There are still some that are trying to provide him some legitimacy. Sarraj, on the other hand, is a legitimate leader, legitimate representative. They also try to overlook him,” Erdoğan explained, detailing the international involvement in Libya and indicating that the main countries involved in these issues were Egypt, the UAE, France and “even” Italy.

On Nov. 27, Turkey and the Tripoli-based, U.N.-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) signed two bilateral memoranda after a meeting between Erdoğan and GNA head Fayez al-Sarraj in Istanbul.

One enables Turkey to secure its rights in the Mediterranean while preventing any fait accompli maneuvers by other regional states. The other deal offers Turkish support for the establishment of a Quick Reaction Force for Libya's police and military, as well as enhanced cooperation in intelligence and the defense industry.

Following the military cooperation deal, Erdoğan said Ankara might consider sending troops to Libya if the Libyan government requested military assistance.

Libya has remained dogged by turmoil since 2011 when a NATO-backed uprising led to the ousting and death of former President Moammar Gadhafi after more than four decades in power.

Since then, Libya's stark political divisions have yielded two rival seats of power, one in Tobruk and another in Tripoli, as well as in-fighting by a host of heavily armed militia groups.

The military, pushed by Haftar's army, has allied with a parallel eastern administration based in Benghazi, marking a dangerous escalation in a power struggle that has dragged on since the vacuum following Gadhafi's death emerged. Haftar is not recognized by the international community, as the elected parliament of the country is centered in Tripoli.

Erdoğan also mentioned Russia as a country that, although it does not have a presence itself, uses a company, Wagner, to handle its business in Libya.

“As you know, the U.S. has many similar companies. For instance, in Afghanistan, there are companies founded by former U.S. soldiers. They are highly paid and as a result, they come and lead the war in Afghanistan in an illegitimate manner,” Erdoğan stressed.

Referring to Wagner, Erdoğan said the company works as if it is a “mercenary” of Haftar.

“The ones who pay for (this company) are obvious. In the face of such circumstances, it is not right for us (Turkey) to be a mere spectator of that. We have done what we can do so far, and we will continue to do so,” he said, adding that Turkey’s actions in Libya are appreciated by Libyans as well.

Turkey encourages academic work on 1915 events

Regarding the Armenian bill that the U.S. Senate issued recently, Erdoğan said Turkey has been challenging the international community on the issue for years – urging those who doubt it to check the archives – but has received little response.

“For a while, these issues have been on the agenda and yet, no one has opened their archives. They cannot open anything that does not exist,” the president stated, adding that there are small archives in Harvard University and France and yet, Armenia does not have such serious documentation.

“As you know, currently, our armed forces have an archive filled with more than 1 million documents. We have called on many academicians (from Armenia) to come over and work on these documents,” he said, adding that all these callings have failed since no one welcomed the challenge.

According to the president, the reason why the Armenian side rejects such offers is that they know the end result would work against them.

Erdoğan further heralded that a team has been formed to work on the issue in the upcoming period, calling on the international community to participate and contribute to the work.

“We will turn the Turkish Historical Society into a much more active institution on this issue and by doing so, we will strengthen our works with documentation,” he said, adding that Turkey encourages academic work on the issue.

Turkey condemned the resolution adopted by the U.S. Senate last week on the events of 1915 calling it "a disgraceful example of the politicization of history" and "a damaging effort" aimed at harming the bilateral relations between the two countries.

The Foreign Ministry later summoned the U.S. Ambassador to Ankara, David Satterfield, over the Senate bill.

On April 24th, President Donald Trump commemorated Armenian Remembrance Day in a statement that honored “the memory of those who suffered in one of the worst mass atrocities of the 20th century.” It did not, however, use the term “genocide" in keeping with longstanding U.S. policy.

The Senate's action follows a vote by a Senate committee to impose sanctions on Turkey after its operation in Syria and purchase of a Russian S-400 missile system.

The resolution had been blocked several times in the Senate, even though the Democratic-led House of Representatives passed the resolution by an overwhelming 405-11 in late October.

The resolution asserts that it is U.S. policy to commemorate the 1915 events as "genocide."

Turkey's position on the events of 1915 is that the deaths of Armenians in eastern Anatolia took place when some sided with the invading Russians and revolted against Ottoman forces. A subsequent relocation of Armenians resulted in numerous casualties.

Turkey objects to the presentation of the incidents as "genocide" but describes the 1915 events as a tragedy in which both sides suffered casualties.

Ankara has repeatedly proposed the creation of a joint commission of historians from Turkey and Armenia as well as international experts to examine the issue.

Recognition of the 1915 events as "genocide" had stalled in Congress for decades, stymied by concerns regarding relations with Turkey.

The actions were the latest attempt by Congress to push Trump to take a harder stance against Turkey. Trump said last month that President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was “doing a fantastic job for the people of Turkey.''

S-400, F-35 done deal

As far as the steps regarding the S-400 system and the F-35s, Erdoğan reiterated that these are all done deals.

“We have finished this work. How many times have we said that? Now, without any shame, they say that they will sanction TurkStream. This is nothing but a violation of rights,” Erdoğan said, adding that as a response to these, Turkey would also take counter-steps through sanctions.

“We are not a country that will stand silently over such steps. This is Turkey,” the president said, indicating that the recent statement of the Turkish foreign ministry represents Turkey’s stance on the issue.

The Foreign Ministry condemned the U.S. Congress for exploiting the defense spending bill with anti-Turkey measures "for political interests," on Friday.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Hami Aksoy condemned the bill for being a tool exploited by U.S. politicians for short-term gains, causing permanent harm to bilateral relations with Turkey.

Aksoy noted that the bill damages not only the ties between the two countries but also the U.S.' own ties in the region. Washington will soon realize that such initiatives do not contribute to the stability and peace in the region, he added. Releasing an official statement, the Foreign Ministry said Friday that the draft appropriation bills regarding budget allocations for U.S. federal institutions in 2020, which were approved by the U.S House of Representatives and Senate, contain a "negative language targeting Turkey" and described it "the latest outcome of the agenda pursued by Members of Congress who are bent on damaging our bilateral relations by any means." Condemning the "exploitation of even an ordinary budgeting process for the sake of the short term political ambitions of U.S. politicians," the statement added that such initiatives are actually harming the U.S.’s own interests and not serving regional peace and stability.

The U.S. Senate overwhelmingly passed Tuesday a massive $738 billion defense spending bill that includes a handful of anti-Turkey measures.

The 86-8 vote now sends the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which is part of a two-piece package that includes a wider government spending bill, to U.S. President Donald Trump to be signed into law, which he is expected to do shortly. The House passed the legislation earlier Tuesday.

The defense spending bill was packed with additional measures aimed at Turkey that include a prohibition on the transfer of the fifth-generation F-35 joint strike fighter, or its parts, to Turkey over its purchase of the Russian S-400 anti-air missile system, and calls for Trump to implement sanctions on Turkey over the acquisition under the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.

It further provides the Pentagon with some $30 million to purchase the F-35 aircraft initially bought by Turkey.

Turkey's acquisition of the advanced Russian air-defense system prompted the Trump administration to remove Turkey from the F-35 program in July. The U.S. maintains that the system could be used by Russia to covertly obtain classified details on the jet and is incompatible with NATO systems.

Turkey, however, counters that the S-400 would not be integrated into NATO systems and would not pose a threat to the alliance.

The defense spending bill further lifts the U.S. arms embargo on the Greek Cypriot administration of southern Cyprus and imposes sanctions on vessels used to construct the Turkstream and Nord Stream 2 pipelines.

Turkey criticized the U.S. over threats to remove it from the F-35 program due to its purchase of the S-400 Russian air defense system.

"We remind once more that the language of threats and sanctions will never dissuade Turkey from resolutely taking steps to ensure its national security," the country's Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomac...alaysia-qatar-iran-will-continue-erdogan-says
 
As expected Erdogan won’t be easy to deal with .. unlike Mahathir.. [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] .. so Erdogan did purposefully miss the lip service towards Kashmir.
 
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As expected Erdogan won’t be easy to deal with .. unlike Mahathir.. [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] .. so Erdogan did purposefully miss the lip service towards Kashmir.

Its better to stay away from a megalomaniac who perhaps sees himself as Suleiman the Magnificent.

How poorly they have handled this and such a bad spot they have put pakistan in.

Imran took a good decision.
 
This is why neutrality in any inter-Islamic conflict is vital unless it directly affects Pakistan. You will always p*ss off someone by siding with their adversary.

Pakistan might be helpless here but hopefully Pakistan takes a more neutral stance once the economy is in a better condition.
 
It's a sorry situation but it is what it is. Money comes with conditions

This is what I always said. People can whinge about it, but money talks at the end of the day, especially with a heavily indebted country like Pakistan.
 
Imran, Erodgan, and Mahatir would have formed a great trio and could have led the ummah out of crisis.
Alas, we have to pay for the loot khasoot of Bhuttos and Shareefs.
 
The Saudi embassy in Islamabad on Saturday denied "information and fake news" broadcast by some media outlets that Saudi Arabia "pressurised and threatened" Pakistan to refrain from participating in the Kuala Lampur Summit.

The statement comes a day after Turkish newspaper Daily Sabah quoted Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan as saying Pakistan had decided to stay away from the recently concluded summit because of Saudi Arabia's threats of economic sanctions.

A press release issued by the Saudi embassy stated: "The embassy affirms that the relations between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Islamic Republic of Pakistan are superior to the language of threat.

"The brotherly relations between the countries are long-standing and strategic based on trust, understanding and mutual respect, and the two countries enjoy a consensus of views on most regional and international issues, especially the issues of the Islamic nation."

The statement added that Saudi Arabia has always with Pakistan in Pakistan during difficult times "based on fraternal relations".

"We strive always to stand with Pakistan to be a successful and stable country," the embassy added.

The meeting in Kuala Lampur was shunned by Saudi Arabia and criticised for allegedly undermining the bigger Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). Some analysts also suspected that Saudi Arabia's reluctance to attend stemmed from fear of being diplomatically isolated by regional rivals Iran, Qatar and Turkey, all of whom were attending the summit.

Saudi state news agency SPA also reported that on a call with Malaysian Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohammad, Saudi King Salman reaffirmed that such issues should be discussed through the OIC.

According to Daily Sabah, Erdogan, while speaking to Turkish media representatives, said that it was not the first time that Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates had put pressure on a country for doing or not doing certain things.

“Unfortunately, we see that Saudi Arabia pressures Pakistan. Now, there are promises that the country has given to Pakistan regarding the central bank. However, more than that, there are four million Pakistanis working in Saudi Arabia. They [threaten by saying that they] would send [Pakistanis] back and re-employ Bangladeshis instead,” Erdogan was quoted as saying. He added that the kingdom has also threatened to withdraw money it had deposited in the State Bank of Pakistan.

According to Erdogan, Pakistan had to comply with the Saudi wishes "due to its economic difficulties".

While not directly addressing the Turkish president's statement, the Foreign Office in response to questions from the media said that Pakistan did not participate in the Kuala Lumpur summit because "time and efforts were needed to address the concerns of major Muslim countries regarding possible division in the Ummah".

"Pakistan will continue to work for the unity and solidarity of the Ummah, which is indispensable for effectively addressing the challenges faced by the Muslim world," the FO spokesperson said in a brief statement.

'No representation from Pakistan at summit'
Pakistan was one of the first countries with which Malaysian Prime Minister Dr Mahathir had shared his plans for holding the summit when he met Prime Minister Imran along with Erdogan on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session in New York in September.

Later, Imran Khan formally conveyed his acceptance of the invitation for attending the summit when Deputy Foreign Minister of Malaysia Marzuki Bin Haji Yahya called on him in Islamabad on November 29.

Last week, however, reports of Prime Minister Imran cancelling his trip to Malaysia started making rounds. After his visit to Saudi Arabia on Saturday, the premier decided to stay away from the Kuala Lumpur summit. According to reports, he withdrew due to pressure exerted by the kingdom, which had extended a helping hand to the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government during its early days to stave off an economic crisis.

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi had on Tuesday confirmed that there would be no representation from Pakistan at the summit of some 20 Muslim countries, which started in Kuala Lumpur on Wednesday.

Qureshi confirmed that Saudi Arabia and the UAE had concerns about the summit, saying the two countries were worried that the event could cause “division in Ummah” and lead to setting up of an organisation parallel to the existing Saudi-dominated OIC.

In view of the reservations about the summit, Qureshi said, it was decided that Pakistan would seek to bridge the gap between Riyadh and Kuala Lumpur and if that did not work there would be no participation in the summit.

Prime Minister Imran’s trip to the kingdom was aimed at bringing Saudi Arabia and Malaysia closer and not for getting permission to attend the summit, the minister said at the time.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1523518/s...ing-pakistan-to-withdraw-from-malaysia-summit
 
No one has in this mess has come out looking good. Saudis have come across as bullies, Erdogan as a petulant loudmouth who decided to put Pakistan on the spot, and Pakistan as naive and incapable of making its own decisions. Mahatir is the only one who has maintained any semblance of dignity.
 
Imran, Erodgan, and Mahatir would have formed a great trio and could have led the ummah out of crisis.
Alas, we have to pay for the loot khasoot of Bhuttos and Shareefs.

Coward doesn’t make a great leader in making. As per the article, Imran Khan proved to be the most coward and pushover in the history of Pakistan’s politics as the indicator is there as well as confirmed by the article. What worlds are you living at?
 
Coward doesn’t make a great leader in making. As per the article, Imran Khan proved to be the most coward and pushover in the history of Pakistan’s politics as the indicator is there as well as confirmed by the article. What worlds are you living at?

Childish taunts like 'cowards' have no meaning in geopolitics and it only exposes either your bias or lack of analytical ability. Erodogan has clearly mentioned that Khan could not attend because of country's economic plight that is being taken advantage of by Saudis. No points in guessing who are responsible for bringing us to near economic collapse.
Erodogan is actually criticizing Saudis not Khan, which is fair imo.
 
Imran, Erodgan, and Mahatir would have formed a great trio and could have led the ummah out of crisis.
Alas, we have to pay for the loot khasoot of Bhuttos and Shareefs.

I was waiting for someone to dump Imran’s puppet show on Nawaz and Zardari.

How would you explain the ex-COAS Raheel Sharif working for the Saudi government?

How is it justified to have an ex army chief, with all his state secrets, lead the military alliance of a foreign state?
 
I was waiting for someone to dump Imran’s puppet show on Nawaz and Zardari.

How would you explain the ex-COAS Raheel Sharif working for the Saudi government?

How is it justified to have an ex army chief, with all his state secrets, lead the military alliance of a foreign state?

How is it justified for sitting PM to have a work permit of UAE?
 
This is what I always said. People can whinge about it, but money talks at the end of the day, especially with a heavily indebted country like Pakistan.

This situation is cringeworthy and I feel embarrased for Imran .. no way can Saudis talk to Pakistan like this and threaten their immigrants unless MBS has zero respect for Pakistan's leader and his country.

Imran should shed his giant ego and learn some humility. For starters, resume bilateral trade relations with India. Everyday I read some story about vital medicines being smuggled illegally across the border for very ill patients in Pakistan.
 
This situation is cringeworthy and I feel embarrased for Imran .. no way can Saudis talk to Pakistan like this and threaten their immigrants unless MBS has zero respect for Pakistan's leader and his country.

Imran should shed his giant ego and learn some humility. For starters, resume bilateral trade relations with India. Everyday I read some story about vital medicines being smuggled illegally across the border for very ill patients in Pakistan.

So India wasted money in the fence? Should have thought about spending on the declining economy under fascist Hindu leader.
 
So India wasted money in the fence? Should have thought about spending on the declining economy under fascist Hindu leader.

Trade can resume between the two countries, whether border fence exists or not lol.

Your PM has banned trade between the two countries in August because of his giant ego. Now pak social media is full of horror stories about vital medicinal shortage or important books missing in Pak institutions/universities, that are usually published in India.

Now even the Saudis are bullying him. What a mess Imran has created.
 
I think Mahathir deserved a lot of credit and respect for his behavior.

He was one of the few leaders that supported Pakistan’s fake narrative on Kashmir.

A few days ago, he gifted Imran a car and also spent a lot of money on plastering his face all over Kuala Lumpur to welcome him for the summit, but all he got was a spit in the face because the Saudis didn’t allow Imran to come.

In spite of that, he hasn’t expressed his disappointment like Erdogan has. In fact, he tried to cool things down when Imran was getting bashed by the media, and today he has once again supported Imran on Kashmir.

Truly a gracious and generous man.

Speaking of Saudi’s, I wonder if our ghazi, the former Army Chief Raheel Sharif, who is now working for the Saudis with Pakistan’s state secrets, could have done something to prevent Imran’s humiliation.

Surely as the commander of the invisible ummah army, he can exert some degree of influence.
 
Indians are desperate for trade these days. Pakistan must be doing something right.
 
Childish taunts like 'cowards' have no meaning in geopolitics and it only exposes either your bias or lack of analytical ability. Erodogan has clearly mentioned that Khan could not attend because of country's economic plight that is being taken advantage of by Saudis. No points in guessing who are responsible for bringing us to near economic collapse.
Erodogan is actually criticizing Saudis not Khan, which is fair imo.

You do realize that Zardari came into the powers through the deal with Musharraf upon the assassination of Benazir Bhutto thus plunged Pakistan’s economy into darkness in form of bankruptcy and Terrorist-outfit aka TTP attacked everywhere in Pakistan with the support of Imran Khan who wanted official capacity for TTP which to the extent was official offices as well. Same Imran Khan who kept General Kiyani at bay when military operation was badly needed.

Then recovery started under the government of Nawaz Sharif from bankruptcy and military operations needed funds therefore huge loans are borrowed to support military operations on the large scale - all the way to Karachi. Then some investments were made on public transports, CPEC projects including expansion of routes. Those were the silver lining at the time when Pakistan was done big time.

As soon as the economy was stabilized, selective accountability happened and then Imran Khan came to the power - already undoing the efforts made to stabilize the economy in the recent past.
Not to mention, he is proven to be clueless as he is plunging the economy down the drain with no clear plans to carry on from the stabilized position. And it is getting worse as we speak.
 
You do realize that Zardari came into the powers through the deal with Musharraf upon the assassination of Benazir Bhutto thus plunged Pakistan’s economy into darkness in form of bankruptcy and Terrorist-outfit aka TTP attacked everywhere in Pakistan with the support of Imran Khan who wanted official capacity for TTP which to the extent was official offices as well. Same Imran Khan who kept General Kiyani at bay when military operation was badly needed.

Then recovery started under the government of Nawaz Sharif from bankruptcy and military operations needed funds therefore huge loans are borrowed to support military operations on the large scale - all the way to Karachi. Then some investments were made on public transports, CPEC projects including expansion of routes. Those were the silver lining at the time when Pakistan was done big time.

As soon as the economy was stabilized, selective accountability happened and then Imran Khan came to the power - already undoing the efforts made to stabilize the economy in the recent past.
Not to mention, he is proven to be clueless as he is plunging the economy down the drain with no clear plans to carry on from the stabilized position. And it is getting worse as we speak.

You leave out how those "investments" were actually made in Sharif's offshore bank accounts :))
 
You leave out how those "investments" were actually made in Sharif's offshore bank accounts :))

Those investments are called military projects [military operations including Karachi], energy sectors [solar..], CPEC and its expansion, transport projects including metro projects and beyond. They cost real money.

We don’t really have exact informations on how much investments are acquired and spent since it is confidential projects so we can only assume.

But in Zardari’s case, there was no investments at all which could be argued in regards to investments doing maths.

Now Imran Khan runs the government and the investment on Peshawar appears to the standstill. On the top of higher taxes, and no investments are made on the nation so far indicates plains clear on where the investments are going if not on the betterment of the nation.

Keep in mind that Imran Khan took over the government after the situation in Pakistan has been stabilized to made room for the growth and beyond. Unfortunately, that is no longer the case as Imran Khan proved to be clueless in taking the stability to the next forward.
 
You do realize that Zardari came into the powers through the deal with Musharraf upon the assassination of Benazir Bhutto thus plunged Pakistan’s economy into darkness in form of bankruptcy and Terrorist-outfit aka TTP attacked everywhere in Pakistan with the support of Imran Khan who wanted official capacity for TTP which to the extent was official offices as well. Same Imran Khan who kept General Kiyani at bay when military operation was badly needed.

Then recovery started under the government of Nawaz Sharif from bankruptcy and military operations needed funds therefore huge loans are borrowed to support military operations on the large scale - all the way to Karachi. Then some investments were made on public transports, CPEC projects including expansion of routes. Those were the silver lining at the time when Pakistan was done big time.

As soon as the economy was stabilized, selective accountability happened and then Imran Khan came to the power - already undoing the efforts made to stabilize the economy in the recent past.
Not to mention, he is proven to be clueless as he is plunging the economy down the drain with no clear plans to carry on from the stabilized position. And it is getting worse as we speak.

Nice story. Military operations were being conducted way before PMLN's government. PML-N also talked with TTP, remember Chaudry Nisar's anguish on the death of TTP leader Hakimullah Mehsud by drone strike during negotiations ? But your selective criticism of Imran Khan in this instance is only exposing your bias.
Imran Khan keeping Kayani at bay meant nothing, he wasn't in power. You are actually supporting these people, read

https://www.dawn.com/news/862632/shahbaz-s-plea-to-spare-punjab
 
Geez this guy is the Turkish Trump. Imran was already in a tough spot after being summoned to Saudi and being told not to attend the KL summit. And he chooses to embarrass him further by openly calling it out.

He is doing good from the perspective of the non-Muslim world by openly being anti-Saudi. Just another fault line to exploit.
 
Trade can resume between the two countries, whether border fence exists or not lol.

Your PM has banned trade between the two countries in August because of his giant ego. Now pak social media is full of horror stories about vital medicinal shortage or important books missing in Pak institutions/universities, that are usually published in India.

Now even the Saudis are bullying him. What a mess Imran has created.

lol, mess?

No mess has been created.

Last time I checked, people were losing lives on Indian street due and around protest at the hands of government official and RSS/BJP goons.

Now that is a mess worth fixing it, don't you think? lol
 
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If the Saudis wouldn’t have come in our way, we would have heard a bombastic speech by Imran Khan in the summit.

How would have taken the world by storm like he did at the UNGA.
 
Trade can resume between the two countries, whether border fence exists or not lol.

Your PM has banned trade between the two countries in August because of his giant ego. Now pak social media is full of horror stories about vital medicinal shortage or important books missing in Pak institutions/universities, that are usually published in India.

Now even the Saudis are bullying him. What a mess Imran has created.

Last I checked 16 people had died on the streets of India after your terrorist government robbed them of their citizenship. Perhaps you should care about that rather running your mouth in things you don't know about.
 
Nice story. Military operations were being conducted way before PMLN's government.

Military cannot conduct operations without authorization of the government. General Kiyani was General under Zardari. General Kiyani proposed military operation to the government but the growing support was with Imran Khan and sided with Imran Khan hence military operations couldn’t be conducted especially when the nation lost love for Army thanks to Musharraf and his blunders.

Until then, the government of Nawaz Sharif authorized to General Raheel after Imran Khan vouched for TTP and its peace treaty was nowhere to be found when TTP broke the promise once again.

It was Imran Khan who countered the military proposal of General Kiyani in COAS meetings.


PML-N also talked with TTP, remember Chaudry Nisar's anguish on the death of TTP leader Hakimullah Mehsud by drone strike during negotiations ? But your selective criticism of Imran Khan in this instance is only exposing your bias.

The governments wanted military operation whether it was Zardari and Nawaz Sharif and botb didn’t want to lose voting banks hence played diplomatic - catering to the voting banks that were in favour of Imran Khan and his peace treaty of TTP.

Imran Khan was in second line in terms of voting banks that could be beaten Nawaz Sharif in 2013 and maybe he did hence the allegations of election engineered aimed at General Kiyani while the same election engineered happened in 2017 and that is where Imran Khan was missing once again.

Military operations happened because patience of the nation was tested enough hence pressurized the government to authorize the military project with General Raheel. Even then Imran Khan wasn’t in fsvor of military operations but as for the ownership of promises, Imran Khan was nowhere to be found.

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Imran Khan keeping Kayani at bay meant nothing, he wasn't in power. You are actually supporting these people, read

https://www.dawn.com/news/862632/shahbaz-s-plea-to-spare-punjab[/QUOTE]

You need to read a lot of articles and some records of COAS and Imran Khan’s allegations towards General Kiyani while Imran Khan’s fonds for TTP and its official capacity of recognition.

Clearly you are being selective with singling out one article that suits you even though the context behind the article is missing whereas you have just accused me of selective criticism .

Ironically, Imran Khan coming into the powers was based on the selective accountability and the election engineered which were reek of hypocrisy and compromised morality.
 
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Saudi planning OIC meeting to discuss J&K: Pak media

Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) for a discussion on the situation in Jammu and Kashmir. This was conveyed by the Saudi foreign minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al-Saud during a meeting with Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi in Islamabad, reported local media.

Prince Faisal was on a day-long visit to Pakistan. Qureshi reportedly briefed Saud on the situation in Kashmir in the aftermath of India’s August 5 move to nullify Article 370 that gave special status to J&K. He also reportedly spoke about the recently amended citizenship law and the National Register for Citizens in India.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/saudi-planning-oic-meeting-to-discuss-j-k-pak-media/story-dBz1GJyX4vHveIXYCpKlQN.html
 
Imran played it well, he knew Malaysia and Turkey's lip service would mean nothing although Saudi saying anything wouldn't mean anything either..but monetary wise that could mean something.
 
Imran played it well, he knew Malaysia and Turkey's lip service would mean nothing although Saudi saying anything wouldn't mean anything either..but monetary wise that could mean something.

Unless there is some monetary benefit involved, the rest is just eye wash. The 'planned oic summit on Kashmir' is 4-5 months away. The sense of urgency among our Arab friends astounding, it is like giving a wounded person a hospital appointment for a date 5 months in future. SA and UAE have decided to take a neutral stance on Kashmir so the best Pakistan can hope for is continued economic help and an occasional statement to keep appearances.
 
Two injured men among 110 Pakistanis deported by Turkey

The two injured deportees, Sialkot resident Rehmat Javaid and Islamabad resident Zubair Hussain, were admitted to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (Pims) because their condition was described as critical.

A Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) official said both men were tortured in detention and injured. The number of Pakistanis held in Turkish detention centres is not known, but the official said there were “a lot of people”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1525174/two-injured-men-among-110-pakistanis-deported-by-turkey
 
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