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[REPORT] BCCI to break away from ICC if 2021 CT, 2023 WC hosting rights taken away

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A lot has been spoken about the International Cricket Council's plan to take away the hosting rights of 2021 ICC Champions Trophy as well as the 2023 World Cup from India, in the wake of Indian government's resistance over giving the apex body a tax exemption. While the threat of losing the rights of the two major ICC events looms large, the BCCI has reportedly warned that it will invoke the Members Participation Agreement (MPA) if such a scenario becomes reality.

As per a TOI report, sources aware of the developments said: “Should the ICC use tax exemptions from Indian government as an excuse to make up for their own losses and propose the shifting of tournaments, it will lead to a disaster. India will pull out of all agreements.”

“The matter came up when the ICC board expressed their concern around the absence of tax exemption from the Indian Government for ICC events held in India, despite ongoing efforts from both the ICC and BCCI to secure the exemption which is a standard practice for major sporting events around the world,” the ICC statement had said after a meeting earlier this month.

ICC’s independent chairman Shashank Manohar, who is gearing up for a re-election to the chair in June this year, is said to have won the previous elections because of his resolve to do away with the financial model first dictated by India. Those speaking for the BCCI say that “now those numbers in the present cycle cannot be compensated so India’s tax laws can’t be used as an excuse”.

The TOI report further reveals that the ICC has not even applied for an exemption with the Indian government, considering they themselves would have to share their own revenue patterns and all related papers with the authorities in order to avail an exemption.

The BCCI, however, says ICC — despite Manohar at the helm — expects them to start a dialogue with the government and expects India to clear past tax dues, including the 2016 World T20. “This is a joke, unless, there are individuals doing this to protect their own chairs after projecting financial surpluses that now cannot be justified,” a source tracking the developments told TOI.

In the worst case scenario where the ICC decides to shift two major cricket tournaments outside of India, in order to compensate for their own losses of US$100m, the stand-off between them and the BCCI will surely get ugly.

“This time, the BCCI will not flinch in invoking its rights through the MPA. India’s losses in those newly proposed ICC revenues don’t mean a thing. The proposed loss is not even enough to make up for what the BCCI earns through a single bilateral or two (Star pays Rs 43 crore per match according to the present contract and the renewed one is expected to fetch more in the new bidding). To make up for the rest of the world, you can’t take a tournament of this magnitude away from India,” the source added while speaking about the matter.

India last hosted an ICC event in 2016 – ICC World Twenty20 – but a tax exemption was not given by the government. ICC’s latest decision to search for an alternative venue for both 2021 and 2023, however, has not gone down well with the Indian cricket board.

http://www.timesnownews.com/sports/...d-cup-hosting-rights-taken-away-report/199051
 
Good, don't forget to lock the door on the way out. Hope the ICC tells the BCCI to take a hike
 
ICC will die a pathetic death without BCCI. Can see a U turn coming from ICC soon.
 
Please please please ICC, take away these tournaments from BCCI. Millions of Indians would be grateful forever.

Someone needs to take the first step to break this nation-vs-nation concept monopolizing the sport we love!
 
That's some spine from ICC. :salute

Are Indian court appointed puppets still pulling the strings in BCCI? If so, I can see another shameful defeat for the Indian board.
 
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.


:salute :salute :salute
 
Meh. With invent of IPL and other leagues ICC gave up its power to these leagues.
 
Must take the fight to the BCCI i.e. compensation for defrauding, take away their hosting rights, prove to them that international cricket can survive without them.
 
Get ready for the mercenary Ice age in cricket.

BCCI will try to make IPL and Indian domestic cricket the biggest revenue in world cricket. You can already imagine lots of players not caring about pride and honour and instead opting to retire or dissacociate themselves from their countries to cash in on the IPL. You may even get some member boards also protesting In favour of BCCI and also cutting away. Will be interesting to see how all other boards handle their players and themselves if BCCI actually follows it's hollow threats for once
 
BCCI is too powerful at the moment. Probably BCCI will deal(bribe) with other boards and make a new ICC lol
 
Let them play IPL year round without many foreign players, as ICC would ban anyone who was playing for an unrecognised cricketing body.

Then we'll see how many people are thrilled by Kohli hitting sixes with his eyes closed to Unadkat's millionaire dibbly dobblers.
 
Of course the icc will give the BCCI what they want but it would be brilliant if the icc stood upto them.
 
What the duck?

BCCI is hell bent on destroying IPL scouting infrastructure if this is remotely true.
 
Any nations government that that refuses its national team another nation(inc neutral venues) doesn't deserve to hold icc event
 
Nothing will hapoen. BCCI is throwing toys out the pram. ICC will bend over backwards to keep BCCI happy.
 
Let them play IPL year round without many foreign players, as ICC would ban anyone who was playing for an unrecognised cricketing body.

Then we'll see how many people are thrilled by Kohli hitting sixes with his eyes closed to Unadkat's millionaire dibbly dobblers.

80% of the foreign players would prefer playing for "unrecognized cricketing body" than playing for their national team.
 
80% of the foreign players would prefer playing for "unrecognized cricketing body" than playing for their national team.

Foreign players vis a vis Indian players are not paid very highly in the IPL and that may not compensate enough for missing out on playing for the national team, other domestic leagues and they may lose. Foreign players can also be unsold at the IPL auction.
 
Do not trust the TOI. But if this is an issue, its ICC vs GOI. Thats a battle ICC cannot win.

More its Shashank Manohar(backed by anti modi pawar) vs Modi supportive bcci.

If this is a issue.
 
Let them play IPL year round without many foreign players, as ICC would ban anyone who was playing for an unrecognised cricketing body.

Then we'll see how many people are thrilled by Kohli hitting sixes with his eyes closed to Unadkat's millionaire dibbly dobblers.

The indian govt will ban icc. No indian sponsors no telecast in india. Moreover hardly any country will support a sporting boycott of India, that has huge diplomatic repurrcussions beyond ICC.
 
Foreign players vis a vis Indian players are not paid very highly in the IPL and that may not compensate enough for missing out on playing for the national team, other domestic leagues and they may lose. Foreign players can also be unsold at the IPL auction.

Most top foreign players are highly paid. And bcci can simply jack up their prices.
 
Most top foreign players are highly paid. And bcci can simply jack up their prices.

I was under the impression that the IPL and BCCI were seperate entities. Isn't this the reason given for the non-participation of Pakistani players in the IPL where the BCCI says that the IPL franchise owners decide on the players they want and that the BCCI cannot be involved in the IPL? So the BCCI will jack up prices for all foreign players i.e. a minimum of $1,000,000 per season?

Would love to see it
 
It's pretty obvious that India were heading down this path anyways. They are financial giants and no other board comes close to them. They have just about found their excuse to do what they have been building up to do and they won't even be vilified for it because it can be argued that they were wronged by the ICC that's why they missed out
 
I was under the impression that the IPL and BCCI were seperate entities. Isn't this the reason given for the non-participation of Pakistani players in the IPL where the BCCI says that the IPL franchise owners decide on the players they want and that the BCCI cannot be involved in the IPL? So the BCCI will jack up prices for all foreign players i.e. a minimum of $1,000,000 per season?

Would love to see it

Your impressions are jokeworthy.You also thought Dubai courts can order icc to pay pcb money for a dispute with bcci.

IPL is run by bcci.

Yes owners can decide not to buy players in an auction just like they didnot buy Guptill or Root. And now even govt has said that pak players are not welcome in India when some pak players were picked for Kabbadi league.

Bcci can guarantee a minimum amount for players according to their worth. Most big name players are anyways picked up.
 
The indian govt will ban icc. No indian sponsors no telecast in india. Moreover hardly any country will support a sporting boycott of India, that has huge diplomatic repurrcussions beyond ICC.

What's with the victim mentality? It's your board that's giving the threat so why blame others if there is a 'sporting boycott'? I just don't understand the insecurity of Indian posters like you, especially when your board is powerful and rich
 
I don't think this will happen. Everything will be eventually sorted out. ICC has a lot to lose if India indeed pulls out of all agreements. Cricket is already a struggling sport and now they wouldn't want the biggest money spinning board to be out.
 
Remember back in the day when there were no politics and no mercenary T20 leagues and playing cricket was a matter of national pride?
 
Remember back in the day when there were no politics and no mercenary T20 leagues and playing cricket was a matter of national pride?



What age was this? Before ipl there was packer series. Money will always trump pride my friend, money is what feeds families not pride.

On the whole icc-bcci thing to me looks like a lot of posturing on both sides none of this going to happen. ICC will get an exemption and that will be that. World cup or ct not being in india after it being confirmed as host will be a slap on the face that even manohar can't afford because there will be non cricket repercussions for BCCI big wigs because one thing modi hates more than anything is bad publicity especially one where he isn't at fault.

ICC know that while manohar played blinder last time, this will basically be a bloodbath as shifting the tournaments won't benefit anyone other than ICC and the new hosting board. It's one thing standing up to someone lot more powerful than you for your own rights but for someone else's is expecting too much.
 
As I wrote last year, when Manohar moved from the BCCI to the ICC he took with him the information that BCCI spending is so out of control that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

The BCCI backed down on the Big Three model, but they still seem not to understand that the other Boards now very clearly understand that the BCCI is an economic basket case.
 
As I wrote last year, when Manohar moved from the BCCI to the ICC he took with him the information that BCCI spending is so out of control that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

The BCCI backed down on the Big Three model, but they still seem not to understand that the other Boards now very clearly understand that the BCCI is an economic basket case.

I would be very careful making statements as such without proper documentation. Conclusions based upon speculation just boils down to own's biased perspective/agendas rather than portraying the truth.
 
The TOI report further reveals that the ICC has not even applied for an exemption with the Indian government, considering they themselves would have to share their own revenue patterns and all related papers with the authorities in order to avail an exemption.

I'm sure this will expose the fact that from where majority of revenues are generated from and won't be eligible for any exemption.
 
As I wrote last year, when Manohar moved from the BCCI to the ICC he took with him the information that BCCI spending is so out of control that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

The BCCI backed down on the Big Three model, but they still seem not to understand that the other Boards now very clearly understand that the BCCI is an economic basket case.


Are the BCCI saving themselves for the IPL series?

India's home season from here on will be famously overloaded, with a number of IPL and other home games crammed into a full year, due to ICC's insistence on generating enough money to create handouts for all sorts of nations.

It's obviously practically impossible to play IPL and all these meaningless series in between.

Some series -Australia, England, New Zealand- are economically important due to the sale of Indian TV rights. The Indian public is supremely disinterested in other nations touring, as evidenced by the declining attendance for such Tests, although such secondary nation tours are important for BCCI to maintain its rankings.

But it was obvious that BCCI's attention has gone ahead to critical tournaments such as as the 2021 ICC Champions Trophy as well as the 2023 World Cup, with most other series being mere fillers. Players and BCCI are making no attempt to disguise the fact meaningless tournaments with 'filler' nations are just that- games by rote.

It has reached the point where BCCI is telling ICC - in an increasingly brazen and blatant style - that the world body cannot take away what was guaranteed to it, under any circumstances.
 
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Looks like good news for lot of anti-BCCI brigade today... Nothing will come out of this BCCI will host both tournaments and ICC will go back with tail between it's leg as usual, long before 2021 BCCI will get full control from COA and they know how to handle ICC when in full command :srini ... Money talks :ashwin
 
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As I wrote last year, when Manohar moved from the BCCI to the ICC he took with him the information that BCCI spending is so out of control that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

The BCCI backed down on the Big Three model, but they still seem not to understand that the other Boards now very clearly understand that the BCCI is an economic basket case.

I’m sure you were the first on Manohar’s speed dial when he was enroute to ICC.
 
It's laughable to believe that anyone would even think that those two tournaments will indeed be shifted away from India :))
 
Won't be surprised if BCCI have themselves recommended to the government to not issue any tax exemption to ICC events being hosted in India. This provides them the perfect cover to get rid of intrusive ICC scheduling.
 
If they took the world cup and CT from us ,we should boycott the tournament.Then watch as it becomes a financial disaster like in 2007 when we were knocked out early.
 
Won't be surprised if BCCI have themselves recommended to the government to not issue any tax exemption to ICC events being hosted in India. This provides them the perfect cover to get rid of intrusive ICC scheduling.

Also to take revenge with ICC for all the bad blood in last years revenue share stand-off. Lesson to ICC 'Don't kill your Golden goose !"...
 
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I don't think this will happen. Everything will be eventually sorted out. ICC has a lot to lose if India indeed pulls out of all agreements. Cricket is already a struggling sport and now they wouldn't want the biggest money spinning board to be out.

You are right. Nothing of this sort is going to happen. Things will get worked out. They always do.
 
As I wrote last year, when Manohar moved from the BCCI to the ICC he took with him the information that BCCI spending is so out of control that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

The BCCI backed down on the Big Three model, but they still seem not to understand that the other Boards now very clearly understand that the BCCI is an economic basket case.

You seem to live in an alternate reality or chose to bury your head in the sand. Let's assume that what you say about the "handout" is true (which I don't). Why does Manohar keep giving BCCI money when he has this inside information about BCCI. Manohar is heralded as some great, independent and fair guy. Yet he continues to give "disproportionate" $$ to BCCI. The ICC is the one that needs to be questioned by everyone.

By the way all this while the IPL/BCCI goes and signs a $2.6 billion deal all on their own, without ICC help.
 
I would be very careful making statements as such without proper documentation. Conclusions based upon speculation just boils down to own's biased perspective/agendas rather than portraying the truth.

I've got documentation to prove that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

It's in their own end-of-year financial statements for the last four years. They only balance the books by receiving ICC payments as big as any three other Boards combined.
 
The usual threat of the toys being thrown out of the pram.

Expensive toys I'll give you that, but nothing's gonna happen.
 
PCB and ICC are bullying BCCI!

First they take BCCI to court and then take away tournament hosting rights. Shameful from PCB.

And PPer's are defending and celebrating this injustice. Sad. :((
 
Mehh, no big deal, ICC will bend over like they always do and when all is said and done a news article will come out with a title similar to this: How BCCI & ICC consolidated to achieve a win win situation... Without India there is no money, the game will whither and die away quickly...
 
I've got documentation to prove that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

It's in their own end-of-year financial statements for the last four years. They only balance the books by receiving ICC payments as big as any three other Boards combined.

Plz share your insight from the book plz
 
I've got documentation to prove that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

It's in their own end-of-year financial statements for the last four years. They only balance the books by receiving ICC payments as big as any three other Boards combined.

It is not good to totally lose touch with reality. From another thread on PP:

BCCI set to earn over Rs 2000 crore from IPL, nearly 95% of the board's surplus
NEW DELHI: The Indian Premier League (IPL), which started as a sideshow by the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) in 2008, is now set to account for nearly 95 percent of the board’s surplus.

BCCI’s projections of its income and spending in the coming financial year suggest that the IPL will earn a surplus of Rs 2,017 crore, while the rest of the board’s operations - international fixtures as well as domestic - will contribute barely Rs 125 crore to its surplus.

What these projections mean is that BCCI will make 16 times more profit during the 45-day IPL window than it is likely to in the remaining 320 days of the year. This net surplus will accrue after BCCI’s expenditure on the game’s infrastructure and other heads, amounting to approximately Rs 1,272 crore against an income of Rs 3,413 crore.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ore-from-IPL-nearly-95-of-the-board-s-surplus
 
I've got documentation to prove that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

It's in their own end-of-year financial statements for the last four years. They only balance the books by receiving ICC payments as big as any three other Boards combined.

You mean in the same world where IPL broadcast deal for 5 years is more valuable than ICCs entire revenue from 2015 to 2023? Or is this your alternate universe where runs againist SL dont count or where SA lose series to save themselves for Aus or where Tendulkar was found not good enough for county cricket?
 
Meh - this will come to nothing.

It's all just talk, with each party just talking themselves up.

In the end they will reach an agreement which works for both parties.

ICC would not want to lose the support of India and India would not want to lose the support of the ICC.

I'm sure we went through a very similar series of 'threats' and 'trash talking' when the new ICC financial model was being agreed.
 
Meh - this will come to nothing.

It's all just talk, with each party just talking themselves up.

In the end they will reach an agreement which works for both parties.

ICC would not want to lose the support of India and India would not want to lose the support of the ICC.

I'm sure we went through a very similar series of 'threats' and 'trash talking' when the new ICC financial model was being agreed.

Yea true, its like Husband and Wife relation. Keep arguing all the time and finally agree on something and keep the relation going for sake of kids (no prize for guessing who the kids are) :ashwin
 
You mean in the same world where IPL broadcast deal for 5 years is more valuable than ICCs entire revenue from 2015 to 2023? Or is this your alternate universe where runs againist SL dont count or where SA lose series to save themselves for Aus or where Tendulkar was found not good enough for county cricket?

The best of Junaids posts in My opinion are:

1. Tendulkar not intelligent enough to make the best of his talents.
2. Tyson and Thommo the fastest bowlers ever who could bowl > 170KPH

:facepalm:
 
I am conflicted as much as I would like to bash bcci I don't think any of the parties are in the wrong. Indian government has the right not to give a tax break if they don't want to. As most global sports tournaments get tax breaks Icc has the right to hold a profitable tournament and move somewhere else. Bcci is stuck in the middle.
 
India should seriously take its share of the revenue and go play on its own.
 
Let’s see where this goes it’s ICC vs GOI.. If GOI gives exemption media and opposition might tear into bjp.. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] do you know if exemptions were given during congress time?
 
Let’s see where this goes it’s ICC vs GOI.. If GOI gives exemption media and opposition might tear into bjp.. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] do you know if exemptions were given during congress time?

Yes. 2011 WC was exempted from Tax.
https://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-56029620110331

Thing is that Manohar is a Pawar man and he is anti of the bjp ruled Bcci. Icc hasnt even applied for tax exemption.
 
Yes. 2011 WC was exempted from Tax.
https://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-56029620110331

Thing is that Manohar is a Pawar man and he is anti of the bjp ruled Bcci. Icc hasnt even applied for tax exemption.

Oh wow so it’s nothing at the moment once they apply for exemption they might as well get it.. Making too much hue and cry over it then.. Was 2016 T20 WC exempted as well? It happened during BJP rule so if that was exempted then this one should be as well once ICC applies..

Pawar is a the top 5 most corrupt politician of India if only BJP grows balls and takes action against politicians like him..
 
ICC needs to sort out the tax issues with GOI rather than throwing the toys out of the pram. I as an Indian citizen would definitely oppose the tax exemption.

BTW ICC earn so much, what's the need for tax exemption?
 
Year long IPL is my ultimate dream.

Maybe BCCI should hold some IPL games here in Toronto. Indo-Canadian fans like me are craving for Cricket.
 
Oh wow so it’s nothing at the moment once they apply for exemption they might as well get it.. Making too much hue and cry over it then.. Was 2016 T20 WC exempted as well? It happened during BJP rule so if that was exempted then this one should be as well once ICC applies..

Pawar is a the top 5 most corrupt politician of India if only BJP grows balls and takes action against politicians like him..

Go through the OP. Icc have not applied for exemption. Likely because Manohar feels his lies regarding the revenues will be caught and the votes he bought will be gone.
 
The ICC should take the $70 million from the ICC BCCI share and give to the PCB, next they should be strict with the BCCI with regards to the ICC events in India. Must take the fight to the BCCI and other boards should follow suit.
 
The ICC should take the $70 million from the ICC BCCI share and give to the PCB, next they should be strict with the BCCI with regards to the ICC events in India. Must take the fight to the BCCI and other boards should follow suit.

Taking away $$ is never going to happen. Things don't work that way. At least not without due process. At this time the ICC do not want to even touch the $70 million case with 10 foot pole.

With regards to taking the fight to the BCCI, I am all for it. But I do not see it happening any time soon. Similar sentiments have been expressed on this very forum for a decade or so, but nothing has changed. Neither do I see it changing.
 
The ICC should take the $70 million from the ICC BCCI share and give to the PCB, next they should be strict with the BCCI with regards to the ICC events in India. Must take the fight to the BCCI and other boards should follow suit.

If only your wishes were law.
 
The ICC should take the $70 million from the ICC BCCI share and give to the PCB, next they should be strict with the BCCI with regards to the ICC events in India. Must take the fight to the BCCI and other boards should follow suit.

:)) What would the ICC get by handing over $70 million to the PCB just for the heck of it? Who'll come in to save them from the BCCI's backlash? The PCB?
 
Yeah but I'd argue that they shouldn't get it.

Its all about leverage, "you tax us, we move out" . Big business do it everywhere. But in this case ICC cannot afford to lose the Indian market. BCCI can create its own league without help from ICC. SL, Zimbabwe, NZ, WI cannot survive without an India series. A world cup without India would generate less than half the revenue. (remember the disaster that was 2007 WC)
 
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