[Report] ICC informs the PCB that India has refused to travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 [Updated Post #418]

[Rajdeep]

....but but but Pakistan are not rivals ...... and and and BCCI are super rich ..... yet yet yet India are desperate to play Pakistan for the readies.

The mentality of Indians/BCCI is the gift that keeps on giving.

Who said Pakistan is not rival? They are our rival but that is only due to politics. It is not a sporting rivalry. Lets be honest, teams like BD and Afg are better in present situation and capable of giving tougher competition to India than Pakistan. However, due to politics and to a certain extent for religion, people make this game special, broadcasters hype it up and earn money. It is a pure case of political exploitation...there is no sports here. On the field, these 2 teams are galaxies apart. Our sporting rivals are Australian side.

 

[Red-Indian]

I think if BCCI takes responsibility for refusing to travel to Pakistan, the sensible solution should be they foot the bill for lost revenue. That way they get to play politics as per their govt wishes, and it doesn't cost other teams through no fault of their own. India still gets what they wanted in terms of dealing Pakistan a PR blow and devaluing their brand.

I'm not saying that's a ridiculous viewpoint but as far as the BCCI is concerned, any agreements they would sign with the ICC on participation would contain a 'force majeure' clause. They are perfectly entitled to claim that being denied government permission is something they have no control over and therefore qualifies as such an event.

Of course, other countries could group together and force BCCI to accept the loss but that's a major burning of bridges with the biggest power in world cricket. I would bet most boards will just agree to take the loss. India, by virtue of getting the largest share of revenue will bear 40% of it anyway. I don't suppose even other large boards will lose more than a few million. For example, if the reduction is 20% of broadcasting fees, Pakistan will lose $7m or so. PCB ran a surplus of $10m in FY23. They can absorb the loss to maintain national pride.

 

[kingusama92]

I'm not saying that's a ridiculous viewpoint but as far as the BCCI is concerned, any agreements they would sign with the ICC on participation would contain a 'force majeure' clause. They are perfectly entitled to claim that being denied government permission is something they have no control over and therefore qualifies as such an event.

Of course, other countries could group together and force BCCI to accept the loss but that's a major burning of bridges with the biggest power in world cricket. I would bet most boards will just agree to take the loss. India, by virtue of getting the largest share of revenue will bear 40% of it anyway. I don't suppose even other large boards will lose more than a few million. For example, if the reduction is 20% of broadcasting fees, Pakistan will lose $7m or so. PCB ran a surplus of $10m in FY23. They can absorb the loss to maintain national pride.

I'm guessing the underlying concern is for the future.

What if they keep boycotting these matches moving forward? The broadcaster is going to be sweating bricks. It's one thing to boycott a CT match and another to boycott a WC match. Now imagine India doesn't do well in one or all of these tournaments and goes home early.

Two organizations are in a terrible spot right now - the ICC and the broadcaster.

PCB's concern might be a financial hit but they also have an upside with positive PR at home. There's absolutely no upside for the ICC or the broadcaster.

 

[ravisurya]

The tone reeks of fear. Indians are now bricking it.

This is great, the more Indians, Indian media, and the rest of the BCCI cult react, the better it is for Pakistan.

Let the cricketing world now witness the real KING MAKER in cricket, Pakistan.

Even in your wildest fantasy Pakistan is not the King.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Who said Pakistan is not rival? They are our rival but that is only due to politics. It is not a sporting rivalry. Lets be honest, teams like BD and Afg are better in present situation and capable of giving tougher competition to India than Pakistan. However, due to politics and to a certain extent for religion, people make this game special, broadcasters hype it up and earn money. It is a pure case of political exploitation...there is no sports here. On the field, these 2 teams are galaxies apart. Our sporting rivals are Australian side.

Ok.

Australia 6 (50 over) world cups
Day light.
West indies 2
India 2

Australia test world champions
T20 world cup.

Seems to me, daylight is the nearest rival to the Aussies lol

 

[emranabbas]

The tone reeks of fear. Indians are now bricking it.

This is great, the more Indians, Indian media, and the rest of the BCCI cult react, the better it is for Pakistan.

Let the cricketing world now witness the real KING MAKER in cricket, Pakistan.

Pakistan's got the upper hand right now, and India is clearly shitting bricks

Pakistan just needs to stay firm in its stance, yes Pakistan will take a hit so will everyone else

It's gotten so serious that broadcasters are talking about legal action, and sponsors might pull out if there's no Pakistan vs. India match.

Honestly, all the chest-thumping from Indian fans on these 23 pages is just hilarious.

Someone the Indians even disappeared since yesterday

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm not saying that's a ridiculous viewpoint but as far as the BCCI is concerned, any agreements they would sign with the ICC on participation would contain a 'force majeure' clause. They are perfectly entitled to claim that being denied government permission is something they have no control over and therefore qualifies as such an event.

Of course, other countries could group together and force BCCI to accept the loss but that's a major burning of bridges with the biggest power in world cricket. I would bet most boards will just agree to take the loss. India, by virtue of getting the largest share of revenue will bear 40% of it anyway. I don't suppose even other large boards will lose more than a few million. For example, if the reduction is 20% of broadcasting fees, Pakistan will lose $7m or so. PCB ran a surplus of $10m in FY23. They can absorb the loss to maintain national pride.

It's not about legal niceties at this point, or at least it shouldn't be. It is BCCI which has put the cricketing world in this position, regardless of the govt involvment. If Pakistan can absorb the loss to maintain national pride, surely the BCCI can absorb whatever losses are incurred by THEIR govt's actions...if anything as the richest board they can afford it far easier. I am sure you are reading the views of your compatriots bragging about BCCI riches and PCB bankruptcy.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why don't India put their money where their mouth is (if they have the money).

Just refuse to play in the CT and move on, no wait, the ghosts of CT17 must still haunt them!

 

[Rajdeep]

Ok.

Australia 6 (50 over) world cups
Day light.
West indies 2
India 2

Australia test world champions
T20 world cup.

Seems to me, daylight is the nearest rival to the Aussies lol

No point in looking entire history.

Last 3 ICC events, Ind and Aus played against each other in 2 finals with Aussie winning both of them.

Last 4 test series home and away, all won by India.

So there is a very healthy sporting rivalry between Ind and Aus.

Ind vs Pak match always turns into a one sided dissapointment. Take the politics and religion out, there is no rivalry. Also bcoz we dont play against each other often, that game gets a lot of eye balls and a cash cow for ICC.

 

[Red-Indian]

I'm guessing the underlying concern is for the future.

What if they keep boycotting these matches moving forward? The broadcaster is going to be sweating bricks. It's one thing to boycott a CT match and another to boycott a WC match. Now imagine India doesn't do well in one or all of these tournaments and goes home early.

Two organizations are in a terrible spot right now - the ICC and the broadcaster.

PCB's concern might be a financial hit but they also have an upside with positive PR at home. There's absolutely no upside for the ICC or the broadcaster.

Fair but as humans and organisations, we're pretty good at kicking the can down the road and letting the future take care of itself.

I suspect the broadcaster wouldn't mind using this as an opportunity to renege on the contract itself if it can away with it. Disney has issued several statements that indicate they believe they may overpaid and they could use this chance to force ICC to retender. This is particularly bad time for the new deal to be retendered. Competition in the Indian sports broadcasting and streaming market is very low after the DisneyStar acquisition by Jio and bids may be significantly lower than the current deal.

The ICC is nothing but a collection of members. When you say they're in a terrible spot, you mean all the members are in a terrible spot.

What may happen longer term is that other cricketing countries may be reluctant to have major tournaments in India or Pakistan in order to be able to keep the game and the revenue associated with it. The T20 World Cup is a risk but Sri Lanka is a co-host so I suppose the India-Pakistan game can be managed. After that, the next tournament with an issue is 2029. Let's worry about it then if the earth hasn't burnt down due to global warming.

We just have to get past this one tournament.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Fair but as humans and organisations, we're pretty good at kicking the can down the road and letting the future take care of itself.

I suspect the broadcaster wouldn't mind using this as an opportunity to renege on the contract itself if it can away with it. Disney has issued several statements that indicate they believe they may overpaid and they could use this chance to force ICC to retender. This is particularly bad time for the new deal to be retendered. Competition in the Indian sports broadcasting and streaming market is very low after the DisneyStar acquisition by Jio and bids may be significantly lower than the current deal.

The ICC is nothing but a collection of members. When you say they're in a terrible spot, you mean all the members are in a terrible spot.

What may happen longer term is that other cricketing countries may be reluctant to have major tournaments in India or Pakistan in order to be able to keep the game and the revenue associated with it. The T20 World Cup is a risk but Sri Lanka is a co-host so I suppose the India-Pakistan game can be managed. After that, the next tournament with an issue is 2029. Let's worry about it then if the earth hasn't burnt down due to global warming.

We just have to get past this one tournament.

I think it would be a good thing to take major tournaments out of India, and by association Pakistan. This will allow sponsors to budget accordingly and with confidence. TV revenues will still be guaranteed which will be the main concern, and it will avoid all the political grandstanding which comes from involving India in tournaments designated for Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

Pakistan's got the upper hand right now, and India is clearly shitting bricks

Pakistan just needs to stay firm in its stance, yes Pakistan will take a hit so will everyone else

It's gotten so serious that broadcasters are talking about legal action, and sponsors might pull out if there's no Pakistan vs. India match.

Honestly, all the chest-thumping from Indian fans on these 23 pages is just hilarious.

Someone the Indians even disappeared since yesterday

This might explain why my internet experience is faster this morning! I wonder if the global carbon footprint has dropped also. Has become colder of late.

As for excuses, what else where we expecting from a nation that has been playing victimhood since the sand-dial was invented.

We warned them, India stands to lose more.

Let them reap what the sow - the future is bright, the future is green!

 

[Red-Indian]

I think it would be a good thing to take major tournaments out of India, and by association Pakistan. This will allow sponsors to budget accordingly and with confidence. TV revenues will still be guaranteed which will be the main concern, and it will avoid all the political grandstanding which comes from involving India in tournaments designated for Pakistan.

Possibly. Or the alternative is to always force a co-host. Say Sri Lanka or Bangladesh are the most likely...maybe UAE at a stretch. The upcoming T20 World Cup is already co-hosted by SL so hopefully India and Pakistan can play their game there and Pakistan can play it's games there. 1 Semi each but the Final will be the big issue.

 

[zn426]

Pakistan's got the upper hand right now, and India is clearly shitting bricks

Pakistan just needs to stay firm in its stance, yes Pakistan will take a hit so will everyone else

It's gotten so serious that broadcasters are talking about legal action, and sponsors might pull out if there's no Pakistan vs. India match.

Honestly, all the chest-thumping from Indian fans on these 23 pages is just hilarious.

Someone the Indians even disappeared since yesterday

They can't ignore broadcasters who pay their bills. I guess all the arguments about revenue were correct-there is so much revenue on the line that India cannot back out without a price.

It's interesting how things have played out here.

I said months ago that if the revenue was truly negligible, then India should have no problem giving up the game and let Pakistan host all future group matches for tournaments hosted in India, and if a hybrid model for CT India should be hosting its own matches. That looks like it will be the final compromise unless broadcasters demand India tour Pakistan or reimburse losses.
I said that India as the party unwilling to tour they should be the ones paying the price, not Pakistan. Looks like that is very much coming to pass, whether they take hits in revenue distribution along with other members or if they have to pay the broadcasters' losses out of pocket.
I said that India must make a decision well before the tournament or risk suffering damages. They tried to back out three months before and well after funds had been awarded for hosting to Pakistan, after TV contract had been signed, and Pakistan had been making security arrangements for all teams participating including India. They're going to suffer.
I said that ECB would have Pakistan's back. I was right.

Some of you called me delusional.

In fact, I think the only thing I got wrong was the size of Naqvi's balls. Maybe you all are right and this is just dramabaazi for public consumption, but if he holds the line and forces India to choose their price (touring or paying up), it will have been the biggest win for Pakistan in a generation.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan's got the upper hand right now, and India is clearly shitting bricks

Pakistan just needs to stay firm in its stance, yes Pakistan will take a hit so will everyone else

It's gotten so serious that broadcasters are talking about legal action, and sponsors might pull out if there's no Pakistan vs. India match.

Honestly, all the chest-thumping from Indian fans on these 23 pages is just hilarious.

Someone the Indians even disappeared since yesterday

Pakistan should remain firm and not give in.

To make cricket great again, BCCI's monopoly over cricket needs to be reduced. Pakistan have a role to play.

 

[zn426]

There is a simple solution to this impasse - release Kulbhushan Jadhav as a gesture of good faith. That is the only way the Indian government will be convinced that their neighbour has turned a new leaf and hence allow the cricket team to go to PK.

Ball is in your court, Pakistan.

An Indian spy was caught inciting violence and terrorism, and an uprising in Pakistan and you think he should be released? India should do all they can to end Indian state-sponsored terror and not sponsor terror in Pakistan. They have a responsibility to not cause violence in Pakistan. They should cease from it and be a good neighbor.

I'll be the first to admit that the Pakistani military are a corrupt bunch of liars and thieves, especially the generals, but that doesn't excuse Jadhav coming in and causing trouble in Pakistan.

Leave Jadhav out of what is a cricketing discussion. He's in jail for a reason.

 

[Hitman]

Some people don't learn from previous humiliations. They seriously believe they can arm twist the BCCI to send their team to Pakistan.

 

[U$ofA]

Why don't India put their money where their mouth is (if they have the money).

Just refuse to play in the CT and move on, no wait, the ghosts of CT17 must still haunt them!

The ICC can just as easily replace Ind. with SL and move on. It clear up all this ongoing nonsense and the CT will be held in Pak. in its entirety.

This easy solution could have been implemented a long long time ago by the ICC. Also makes me wonder, if SL was the team doing this and Ind. was the one next in line, would the ICC/PCB have done the same things as they are now?

 

[emranabbas]

Pakistan should remain firm and not give in.


To make cricket great again, BCCI's monopoly over cricket needs to be reduced. Pakistan have a role to play.

This is the only uncertain part, but with Naqvi having direct links to the government, he could make it happen.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

And if India qualifies for Semi or Final then what? Should Pakistani fans be robbed off an opportunity to fitness a knockout game at home in a tournament where they are hosts?

Yes, they should.

 

[emranabbas]

Some people don't learn from previous humiliations. They seriously believe they can arm twist the BCCI to send their team to Pakistan.

We’re not trying to arm twist the BCCI into sending their team to Pakistan, and we couldn’t care less about India.

What we’re saying is that the Champions Trophy should be hosted by Pakistan, in Pakistan. It’s up to India whether they want to come or not.

Previously, Pakistan wasn’t given hosting rights for any ICC tournament so what previous humiliations you taking about?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Who said Pakistan is not rival? They are our rival but that is only due to politics. It is not a sporting rivalry. Lets be honest, teams like BD and Afg are better in present situation and capable of giving tougher competition to India than Pakistan. However, due to politics and to a certain extent for religion, people make this game special, broadcasters hype it up and earn money. It is a pure case of political exploitation...there is no sports here. On the field, these 2 teams are galaxies apart. Our sporting rivals are Australian side.

any evidence of that?

There has been no Test Cricket between two since 2007
last 5 T20Is Pak 2 Ind 3 .. Last 2 games one In Melbourne and One In New York India escaped Certain Defeats
Last 6 Odis Ind 4 Pak 1 no Result 1 . ok ODI performance of India has been better but 1 game Pak won was CT final > other 4 wins

 

[Hitman]

What we’re saying is that the Champions Trophy should be hosted by Pakistan, in Pakistan. It’s up to India whether they want to come or not.

Agreed. India should decide whether to travel to Pakistan or pull out of the tournament.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

The ICC can just as easily replace Ind. with SL and move on.

Who's going to pay for all the hundreds of crores that will be lost when the broadcaster comes after the ICC and sponsors pull out? PCB? Pakistani fans? Pakistan government? Do they have the money to make up for it? Not even close.

The game runs mostly on Indian money.

 

[emranabbas]

Agreed. India should decide whether to travel to Pakistan or pull out of the tournament.

Thank you very much

 

[emranabbas]

Who's going to pay for all the hundreds of crores that will be lost when the broadcaster comes after the ICC and sponsors pull out? PCB? Pakistani fans? Pakistan government? Do they have the money to make up for it? Not even close.

The game runs mostly on Indian money.

Obviously the Indians as it's them pulling out not pakistan how difficult is that to understand.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Possibly. Or the alternative is to always force a co-host. Say Sri Lanka or Bangladesh are the most likely...maybe UAE at a stretch. The upcoming T20 World Cup is already co-hosted by SL so hopefully India and Pakistan can play their game there and Pakistan can play it's games there. 1 Semi each but the Final will be the big issue.

yes Final is the issue even in CT 2025. Pakistanis dnt want Final in UAE if India qualifies and Indians would nt want final in Sri Lanka either if Pak qualified

 

[sweep_shot]

Who's going to pay for all the hundreds of crores that will be lost when the broadcaster comes after the ICC and sponsors pull out? PCB? Pakistani fans? Pakistan government? Do they have the money to make up for it? Not even close.

The game runs mostly on Indian money.

Do you think cricket would stop without India?

Are you saying cricket didn't happen before BCCI became influential?

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Obviously the Indians as it's them pulling out not pakistan how difficult is that to understand.

If the Indians pull out so do the Indian broadcasters and sponsors. How difficult is that to understand.

Either get your Pakistani broadcasters and sponsors to put up as much money as the Indian counterparts or agree to a hybrid model for India. Either way, it's Pakistan that is going to have to pay.

 

[emranabbas]

If the Indians pull out so do the Indian broadcasters and sponsors. How difficult is that to understand.

That's ICC's problem how difficult is it for you to understand that?

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Do you think cricket would stop without India?

Are you saying cricket didn't happen before BCCI became influential?

Do you think cricket would make anywhere near as much money without India playing it?

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

That's ICC's problem how difficult is it for you to understand that?

ICC's problem is going to be Pakistan's problem because ICC has the power to make decisions on ICC tournaments, not PCB. How difficult is it for you to understand that?

 

[sweep_shot]

That's ICC's problem how difficult is it for you to understand that?

Who watches TNA? It is worse than IPL.

These arrogant Indians seem to think cricket would stop without India.

 

[U$ofA]

Who's going to pay for all the hundreds of crores that will be lost when the broadcaster comes after the ICC and sponsors pull out? PCB? Pakistani fans? Pakistan government? Do they have the money to make up for it? Not even close.

The game runs mostly on Indian money.

Well, I guess you can't have the cake and eat it too!

 

[emranabbas]

ICC's problem is going to be Pakistan's problem because ICC has the power to make decisions on ICC tournaments, not PCB. How difficult is it for you to understand that?

When it becomes Pakistan’s issue, we’ll handle it no need for Indians to take depression over it.

The ball’s now in the ICC's court. Pakistan’s stance is clear "no hybrid model". Let’s see if the ICC goes ahead with a tournament without India, or if they strip Pakistan of the hosting rights.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

When it becomes Pakistan’s issue, we’ll handle it no need for Indians to take depression over it.

It's already Pakistan's issue now.

 

[emranabbas]

It's already Pakistan's issue now.

No, it's not. The tournament is organized by the ICC, not Pakistan we’re just the hosts.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

One day, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka might just boycott India, and then you’ll have nowhere to flex your muscles. You’ll be left playing the Asia Cup with Afghanistan and Nepal.

If Bangladesh and Sri Lanka had to choose between siding with Pakistan or India, they would choose India.

 

[emranabbas]

He doesn't have to be for the point to be true.


If Bangladesh and Sri Lanka had to choose between siding with Pakistan or India, they would choose India.

No they wouldn't that's delusional from you

 

[sweep_shot]

He doesn't have to be for the point to be true.


If Bangladesh and Sri Lanka had to choose between siding with Pakistan or India, they would choose India.

Don't bring in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka here. All teams are okay to come to Pakistan for CT (including BD). Sri Lanka also played in Pakistan not long ago.

It is only India that is having issues like a bunch of Barbie Dolls.

 

[Mesozoic]

Indophobes acting really paranoid on this thread probably because they too know their place in all this and know what's eventually going to happen come February 2025. Feel bad for them. If only they weren't as weak as they are in the outside world.

They know there's not going to be any ICC event without India. The Indian market literally feeds the other boards and their players alongside their families. And the ones getting fed are smart enough not bite the hands that feed them.

 

[U$ofA]

Obviously the Indians as it's them pulling out not pakistan how difficult is that to understand.

Not sure about that. Are BCCI legally bound? i don't know if any of us are privy to what BCCI or any of the boards are bound by.

If such a request/directive is made to BCCI, I am sure that issue will be dragged on for ever. But that will be fun filled and entertaining. So good in some ways.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

No, it's not. The tournament is organized by the ICC, not Pakistan we’re just the hosts.

It already became your problem with the PCB coming out making statements against India's decision to pull out and opposing the hybrid model.

No they wouldn't that's delusional from you

Lol they already sided with us when they agreed to ICC's Big 3 financial model and Pakistan was the only one that opposed it. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh need India and they have a lot more to gain by siding with India than siding with Pakistan.

 

[Mesozoic]

Lol they already sided with us when they agreed to ICC's Big 3 financial model and Pakistan was the only one that opposed it

It's honestly incredible to see the level of delusion among these bunch lmao . Time after time , they get shown the mirror but they just hit reset everytime and it all repeats once again.

 

[Red-Indian]

yes Final is the issue even in CT 2025. Pakistanis dnt want Final in UAE if India qualifies and Indians would nt want final in Sri Lanka either if Pak qualified

Yes I think we'll just have to leave the final in the main hosting country and see what happens. If the other doesn't qualify, that's fine. If not, they have a choice to travel or forfeit.

 

[Devadwal]

It already became your problem with the PCB coming out making statements against India's decision to pull out and opposing the hybrid model.

Lol they already sided with us when they agreed to ICC's Big 3 financial model and Pakistan was the only one that opposed it. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh need India and they have a lot more to gain by siding with India than siding with Pakistan.

there will voting for champions trophy by ICC if pakistan doesn't agree for Hybrid model .

Pakistan will only get ONE Vote and that is own vote .lol

They are living in parallel universe.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Don't bring in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka here.

I wasn't the one that brought them up in the first place. Maybe follow the discussion or don't join in if you don't know who's saying what.

And both would absolutely side with India over Pakistan.

 

[Giroux28]

Still no word from ICC? I guess they are wanting for Shah to make the official call on December 1st.

 

[zn426]

If the Indians pull out so do the Indian broadcasters and sponsors. How difficult is that to understand.

Either get your Pakistani broadcasters and sponsors to put up as much money as the Indian counterparts or agree to a hybrid model for India. Either way, it's Pakistan that is going to have to pay.

This is the same old statement. It's not PK's responsibility to pay for India's decision. India should pay for its own decisions. This is what mature, first-world countries do. Pay, India! Pay! Or you can tour. Pick one.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Yes I think we'll just have to leave the final in the main hosting country and see what happens. If the other doesn't qualify, that's fine. If not, they have a choice to travel or forfeit.

and ICC can shut up Broadcasters too coz they will get their round game . Thats is by far best option icc can give to both boards. it will be particularly hard for either board to forfeit final

 

[Devadwal]

This is the same old statement. It's not PK's responsibility to pay for India's decision. India should pay for its own decisions. This is what mature, first-world countries do. Pay, India! Pay! Or you can tour. Pick one.

 

[ravisurya]

Some people don't learn from previous humiliations. They seriously believe they can arm twist the BCCI to send their team to Pakistan.

This thread remind so much of the BCCI will have to pay, when PCB sued BCCI

 

[Devadwal]

This thread remind so much of the BCCI will have to pay, when PCB sued BCCI

PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee.

 

[FearlessRoar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859594013591871761

 

[sweep_shot]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859594013591871761

A complete mess.

ICC has been unprofessional ever since BCCI got the hold of it.

 

[Rajdeep]

Indians are focussed on BGT and IPL auction. No one is even talking about Champions trophy anymore. The ball is entirely on PCBs court to carry the discussion forward with ICC and other boards.

I think the tournament will be postponed indefinitely due to this cross road. India won't travel to Pak, Pak won't agree for Hybrid and ICC can't have a tournament without these 2 teams. So its a proper road block and unless one side budge I don't see this tournament happening at all. ICC and PCB will lose a lot of money though.

 

[FearlessRoar]

As per reports:

An International Cricket Council (ICC) delegation is expected to visit Pakistan soon, the visit could take place as early as next week with the visit believed to be a crucial step in preparations for the 2025 ICC Champions Trophy.

 

[Devadwal]

Indians are focussed on BGT and IPL auction. No one is even talking about Champions trophy anymore. The ball is entirely on PCBs court to carry the discussion forward with ICC and other boards.

I think the tournament will be postponed indefinitely due to this cross road. India won't travel to Pak, Pak won't agree for Hybrid and ICC can't have a tournament without these 2 teams. So its a proper road block and unless one side budge I don't see this tournament happening at all. ICC and PCB will lose a lot of money though.

Yes better to postponed this tournament forever.

No use of champion trophy when we have already ODI World cup.

 

[emranabbas]

As per reports:

An International Cricket Council (ICC) delegation is expected to visit Pakistan soon, the visit could take place as early as next week with the visit believed to be a crucial step in preparations for the 2025 ICC Champions Trophy.

fantastic news

so the tournament isn't going anywhere then

 

[Devadwal]

As per reports:

An International Cricket Council (ICC) delegation is expected to visit Pakistan soon, the visit could take place as early as next week with the visit believed to be a crucial step in preparations for the 2025 ICC Champions Trophy.

They are coming to tell the PCB "either accept the hybrid model or we are hosting in another country".

What is PCB choice??

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

It's not PK's responsibility to pay for India's decision. India should pay for its own decisions.

Dude, whether Pakistan likes it or not, they're the ones that are going to be pressured from all corners into accommodating India. You're going to have no choice but to go along with it.

 

[Rajdeep]

They are coming to tell the PCB "either accept the hybrid model or we are hosting in another country".

What is PCB choice??

PCB can simply accept the later i.e host in another country. However that doesn't solve the purpose as ICC want that Ind v Pak match. Star Sports (broadcaster) is forcing ICC to have this game so that they can hype it up as greatest rivalry, Jatin Sapru can go on and on about history between these 2 teams, Akash Chora will do non stop bhangra in hindi etc etc...basically paise hi paise honge for broadcaster. In a situation like this PCB has few cards in their sleeves. If they reject to play India, broadcaster may sue ICC. That is why I said, its a road block. Unless one party agree or budge, this tournament will be postponed. ICC may give some dhamki to PCB to check if they accept the demands.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

If they reject to play India, broadcaster may sue ICC. That is why I said, its a road block. Unless one party agree or budge, this tournament will be postponed. ICC may give some dhamki to PCB to check if they accept the demands.

The thing is, there's more to lose from no India than no Pakistan and/or no India vs. Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

Classic Psychology 101 - Indian fans and BCCI cannot accept rejection!

This is brilliant!

Well done PCB! This how you deal with 1Billion+ hit them where it hurts - money and rejection!

 

[Savak]

Just watched a statistic where the dependency on the ICC annual handouts by the top cricket boards was assessed. According to the table, the likes of BCCI, England and Australia annual revenues depended around 10-15-20% on the ICC handouts but the PCB in comparison depend on the ICC around 50-60% for their annual revenues.

Have no idea why the PCB is pro-longing the inevitable. It is very clear they will have no choice but to accept the Hybrid model. Why are they playing to the galleries unnecessarily?

 

[jnaveen1980]

We’re not trying to arm twist the BCCI into sending their team to Pakistan, and we couldn’t care less about India.

What we’re saying is that the Champions Trophy should be hosted by Pakistan, in Pakistan. It’s up to India whether they want to come or not.

Previously, Pakistan wasn’t given hosting rights for any ICC tournament so what previous humiliations you taking about?

Good I will appreciate if PCB takes such a stance. You thin they will do? Or will they cave to pressure and money

 

[jnaveen1980]

Just watched a statistic where the dependency on the ICC annual handouts by the top cricket boards was assessed. According to the table, the likes of BCCI, England and Australia annual revenues depended around 10-15-20% on the ICC handouts but the PCB in comparison depend on the ICC around 50-60% for their annual revenues.

Have no idea why the PCB is pro-longing the inevitable. It is very clear they will have no choice but to accept the Hybrid model. Why are they playing to the galleries unnecessarily?

You are the one of the few exceptions who is pragmatic about the situation although for once I want PCB to show some spine.

 

[Savak]

Just watched a statistic where the dependency on the ICC annual handouts by the top cricket boards was assessed. According to the table, the likes of BCCI, England and Australia annual revenues depended around 10-15-20% on the ICC handouts but the PCB in comparison depend on the ICC around 50-60% for their annual revenues.

Have no idea why the PCB is pro-longing the inevitable. It is very clear they will have no choice but to accept the Hybrid model. Why are they playing to the galleries unnecessarily?

Just to clarify the analyst also confirmed that had it not been for the Ashes and the privilege's of hosting India for Tests, ODI's and T-20's, hosting ICC events at home, ECB and Cricket Australia's dependency on the ICC would have been similar to the PCB at this point in time

 

[Savak]

You are the one of the few exceptions who is pragmatic about the situation although for once I want PCB to show some spine.

Rather than protest and react emotionally to withdraw from the CT, boycott, PCB should be smart enough to negotiate a deal in exchange for accepting the Hybrid model. I would have demanded the following from the ICC

- An increase in hosting fee for the PCB for the CT

- An increase in ICC revenue share for the PCB

- Adjustments in the FTP to allow more tours from the likes of England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa to Pakistan for additional test matches, ODI's and T-20's

- More ICC events in Pakistan going forward

The only card that the PCB has is the fact that the Indian broadcasters are demanding maximum Indo Pak contests in all ICC events going forward which means any ICC event cannot proceed without India or Pakistan.

Pakistan is hosting its first ICC event since 1996, that is a very long gap and our stadiums are not up to par yet. Host the existing CT via the hybrid model and use it as a platform to host future ICC events.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Just to clarify the analyst also confirmed that had it not been for the Ashes and the privilege's of hosting India for Tests, ODI's and T-20's, hosting ICC events at home, ECB and Cricket Australia's dependency on the ICC would have been similar to the PCB at this point in time

True. They made 300 million AU dollars in 2021 BGT series during pandemic a reason why they push for Test match between India and Pakistan in Australia. Same with SA. The recent T20 series between Indias next gen T20 vs SA was scheduled as an after thought. It earned SA cricket board 600 million Rands roughly 33 mil USD..

 

[Devadwal]

Rather than protest and react emotionally to withdraw from the CT, boycott, PCB should be smart enough to negotiate a deal in exchange for accepting the Hybrid model. I would have demanded the following from the ICC

- An increase in hosting fee for the PCB for the CT

- An increase in ICC revenue share for the PCB

- Adjustments in the FTP to allow more tours from the likes of England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa to Pakistan for additional test matches, ODI's and T-20's

- More ICC events in Pakistan going forward

The only card that the PCB has is the fact that the Indian broadcasters are demanding maximum Indo Pak contests in all ICC events going forward which means any ICC event cannot proceed without India or Pakistan.

Pakistan is hosting its first ICC event since 1996, that is a very long gap and our stadiums are not up to par yet. Host the existing CT via the hybrid model and use it as a platform to host future ICC events.

Only first option is possible,rest are no chance at all .

PCB Only can asked for increasing the hosting fee for CT .thats it .

 

[emranabbas]

Good I will appreciate if PCB takes such a stance. You thin they will do? Or will they cave to pressure and money

wish I could tell you there future and give you exact answer

 

[U$ofA]

A complete mess.

ICC has been unprofessional ever since BCCI got the hold of it.

Actually, it's the other way around. The ICC is the one kissing up to BCCI because of $$$ greed. They chose to.

ICC can chose to stand up and be the organization that runs the sport. Not an organization that sits back happily and lets the BCCI $$$ fall in its lap.

 

[Giroux28]

Rather than protest and react emotionally to withdraw from the CT, boycott, PCB should be smart enough to negotiate a deal in exchange for accepting the Hybrid model. I would have demanded the following from the ICC

- An increase in hosting fee for the PCB for the CT

- An increase in ICC revenue share for the PCB

- Adjustments in the FTP to allow more tours from the likes of England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa to Pakistan for additional test matches, ODI's and T-20's

- More ICC events in Pakistan going forward

The only card that the PCB has is the fact that the Indian broadcasters are demanding maximum Indo Pak contests in all ICC events going forward which means any ICC event cannot proceed without India or Pakistan.

Pakistan is hosting its first ICC event since 1996, that is a very long gap and our stadiums are not up to par yet. Host the existing CT via the hybrid model and use it as a platform to host future ICC events.

Do you really think ICC will give Pakistan hosting rights to ICC events in the future with the current drama created by India?

Hybrid model is the best option *IF

All future ICC events hosted in India are going to be in hybrid model;

Pakistan will also play all it's matches on neutral venue. *Including knockouts and the final, IF they qualify.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Jay Shah could take a page from his 'taau' Gautam Adani's playbook and offer a bribe to the ICC to settle this issue, urging them to punish the PCB for not falling in line like Afghanistan.

 

[zn426]

Dude, whether Pakistan likes it or not, they're the ones that are going to be pressured from all corners into accommodating India. You're going to have no choice but to go along with it.

Not Pakistan's problem. India is the one making the nakhray after being quiet for three years where they had the opportunity to work out a plan with Pakistan. They can work out a deal with the ICC since they don't want to come. Or perhaps the BCCI will be forced to kowtow to all the broadcasters who had money riding on Pakistan vs. India? They're the hand that feeds BCCI's mouth.

The suggestion I made months ago still stands. Pakistan doesn't tour India for ICC tournaments and gets to host group matches/semis in Pakistan for tournaments in India. India doesn't tour Pakistan and gets the same rights.
Only problem is, the TV deal will need to be renegotiated since it's the broadcasters who are screaming for Pakistan vs. India.

 

[Giroux28]

Not Pakistan's problem. India is the one making the nakhray after being quiet for three years where they had the opportunity to work out a plan with Pakistan. They can work out a deal with the ICC since they don't want to come. Or perhaps the BCCI will be forced to kowtow to all the broadcasters who had money riding on Pakistan vs. India? They're the hand that feeds BCCI's mouth.

The suggestion I made months ago still stands. Pakistan doesn't tour India for ICC tournaments and gets to host group matches/semis in Pakistan for tournaments in India. India doesn't tour Pakistan and gets the same rights.
Only problem is, the TV deal will need to be renegotiated since it's the broadcasters who are screaming for Pakistan vs. India.

Exactly. Hybrid model for both teams until they solve their political issues.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exactly. Hybrid model for both teams until they solve their political issues.

Pakistan doesn't mix political issues with sport and has not for some time, so there is no issue from their side. It is India which has the problem, up to them if they want to solve it. If not then ICC should just let other countries host the tournament.

 

[mb3407]

Pakistan doesn't mix political issues with sport and has not for some time

Joke of the century

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Joke of the century

When did Pakistan refuse to tour India in the last decade?