[Report] ICC informs the PCB that India has refused to travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 [Updated Post #418]

[sweep_shot]

However, the constant bravo and superiority complex from India is an impediment to progress. We get BCCI is strong and we are tired of hearing all the time everywhere. Have some grace.

Indian cricket fans and grace generally don't go together.

 

[arunp]

India derives no meaningful benefit from refusing to travel to Pakistan, except for the potential of boosting domestic political popularity.

Given India-Pak relationship, not helping Pak economy is of significant strategic value to India.

 

[emranabbas]

Yes. That will happen. Else Pakistan will forfeit the game and someone else will play it.

Who’s going to play then? Broadcasters and sponsors are already wetting their pants because there’s no India vs. Pakistan matchup.

 

[emranabbas]

That's pretty long ago and the new deal is huge. The Indo-Pak game is one of the pillars that holds it up. Not the only pillar like a few on the forum believe but a key pillar.

What other pillars are there? The fact is, without Pakistan, ICC tournaments are just a glorified version of the IPL.

 

[arunp]

Who’s going to play then? Broadcasters and sponsors are already wetting their pants because there’s no India vs. Pakistan matchup.

No broadcasters are wetting their pants. They have been trying to find a way to renege on their contract and hence the noises. Pakistan does not figure in Indian revenue calculations. Case in point: ICT fans in USA travelled to SA to support India A t20 team.

 

[emranabbas]

Nah it's impossible they'll go that far. At the most, they'll refuse to play the India game in the UAE. Say a 20% loss across the board (midpoint of your estimate). They'll lose $7m. It'll hurt but they'll survive.

Don’t underestimate Pakistan our TikTok influencers make more than that in a month.

 

[arunp]

That's pretty long ago and the new deal is huge. The Indo-Pak game is one of the pillars that holds it up. Not the only pillar like a few on the forum believe but a key pillar.

I am not sure I agree. Currently BGT, Ashes and India-England are slowly forming to be the fulcrum of World cricket.

 

[Red-Indian]

What other pillars are there? The fact is, without Pakistan, ICC tournaments are just a glorified version of the IPL.

Glorified IPL would be huge. It's sad but each game in the IPL is possibly worth twice each game in an ICC tournament.

It would be a very difficult choice for the IPL to do without an India-Pakistan game but if there's no other choice each country will have to accept a 20ish % cut in it's share of ICC revenue.

 

[offstump]

I am not sure I agree. Currently BGT, Ashes and India-England are slowly forming to be the fulcrum of World cricket.

So basically three teams will play each other over and over then the same players will come together to do Bhangra in IPL for 3 months? The future of cricket is bleak.

 

[HalBass9]

Given India-Pak relationship, not helping Pak economy is of significant strategic value to India.

India’s refusal to play cricket in Pakistan isn’t causing Pakistan to go broke, as the country was already dealing with financial challenges. Despite these issues, Pakistan’s cricket team has continued to perform quiet well.

The real reason behind refusing to play is clear, to sustain the Hindutva narrative.

 

[Red-Indian]

I am not sure I agree. Currently BGT, Ashes and India-England are slowly forming to be the fulcrum of World cricket.

Nah all of those are still pretty low value to a broadcaster compared to an IPL or ICC tournament game.

 

[emranabbas]

Glorified IPL would be huge. It's sad but each game in the IPL is possibly worth twice each game in an ICC tournament.

It would be a very difficult choice for the IPL to do without an India-Pakistan game but if there's no other choice each country will have to accept a 20ish % cut in it's share of ICC revenue.

It might be good for business, but not for cricket. Without a wider audience, it’ll just end up being another game mostly watched by Indians and played by indians and one day you will get bored of playing by yourself and will start begging pakistan again to play with you

 

[ChennaiFan]

India’s refusal to play cricket in Pakistan isn’t causing Pakistan to go broke, as the country was already dealing with financial challenges. Despite these issues, Pakistan’s cricket team has continued to perform quiet well.

The real reason behind refusing to play is clear, to sustain the Hindutva narrative.

The previous congress led government also did not allow the BCCI to send their team to pakistan. The main reason is to reduce the pakistan government's ability to fund islamic terrorism.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

ICC to hold emergent meeting on Champions Trophy on Tuesday

The International Cricket Council will hold an emergent meeting of its board on Tuesday to take a final call and resolve the deadlock around the 2025 Champions Trophy in February-March next year in Pakistan. The meeting, during which a final verdict on the fate of the tournament is likely to be given, will be held virtually.

Amongst the attending members will naturally be the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), which has expressed its inability to send Team India to Pakistan citing lack of government permission, and the Pakistan Cricket Board, which has remained firm that it will host the entire tournament in Pakistan itself, thus ruling out the hybrid model, which would perhaps see India playing its matches in Dubai.

The impasse between the cricket boards of India and Pakistan has seen the delay of the announcement of the schedule of the 2025 Champions Trophy, which was supposed to be announced with 100 days left for the tournament.

ICC to hold emergent meeting on Champions Trophy on Tuesday | Cricket News - Times of India

Cricket News: The International Cricket Council (ICC) will convene for an emergency meeting on Tuesday to address the stalemate surrounding the 2025 Champions Troph

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nah it's impossible they'll go that far. At the most, they'll refuse to play the India game in the UAE. Say a 20% loss across the board (midpoint of your estimate). They'll lose $7m. It'll hurt but they'll survive.

Will ICC accept this playing condition?

I say this because,

If Pakistan forfeits the match, there is zero revenue.

If Pakistan is replaced by SL or WI, there will still be a large amount of revenue generation.

So if Pakistan is going to forfeit, their presence makes no monetary sense.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

So basically three teams will play each other over and over then the same players will come together to do Bhangra in IPL for 3 months? The future of cricket is bleak.

It will be like watching paint dry.

 

[HalBass9]

The previous congress led government also did not allow the BCCI to send their team to pakistan. The main reason is to reduce the pakistan government's ability to fund islamic terrorism.

That’s not true. If the Pakistani establishment wanted to fund terrorism in India, they’d find a way, it doesn’t take a lot of resources for either country.

This is more about a PR move tied to Hindutva ideology. If you look back, a lot of Hindutva supporters have pointed out that the Modi government didn’t perform well in the last elections because they felt it wasn’t Hindutva enough.

I don’t think this government will ever let the Indian cricket team go to Pakistan unless Pakistan’s establishment fully accepts India as the dominant power in the region. The government has built its whole narrative around that idea. The previous government, on the other hand, cut cricket ties purely as a form of protest.

 

[Mohraheem]

its the awaaam that’s uneducated lol send them to USA and Canada .. they will see how Pakistani’s and Indians treat each other ..

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistan should be willing to take the financial hit by refusing to play any of their matches outside Pakistan and continuing to boycott games in India during ICC tournaments. It might be tough in the short term, but in the long run, broadcasters care more about ‘money’ than Modi.

 

[AAli98]

India only sends its team to Pak when martial law is imposed look at the history.. truly a despicable nation.

 

[RexRex]

I don’t think this government will ever let the Indian cricket team go to Pakistan unless Pakistan’s establishment fully accepts India as the dominant power in the region.

I see .. so the BJP wants the Pak army to give it in writing that India is the dominant power in the region ?

 

[offstump]

I see .. so the BJP wants the Pak army to give it in writing that India is the dominant power in the region ?

Yes because otherwise some Indian will come on here and say “Vhare is proof?”

 

[Technics 1210]

It will be like watching paint dry.

Even watching paint dry is better than watching the F&L sponsored cheerleaders at the IPL.

 

[Technics 1210]

Indian cricket fans and grace generally don't go together.

They don't go together with anything.

 

[HalBass9]

I see .. so the BJP wants the Pak army to give it in writing that India is the dominant power in the region ?

I don’t think you’re that naive or unaware of how diplomatic supremacy operates.

 

[Technics 1210]

Jay Shah is acting as the BCCI Secretary while engaging with ICC officials,

but some people are making it seem like he’s already the ICC chairman.

Funny enough, Indian news is saying something completely different.

Wait, another Indian caught fabricating the facts? Who'd have thought it!

 

[Technics 1210]

Real power is walking away but leaving a little something on the table.

Well PCB did walk away, and left a bread crumb.

Cue Jay Shah, now begging for a meeting with the PCB. Remember, it was just a bread crumb!

PakPower!

 

[arunp]

So basically three teams will play each other over and over then the same players will come together to do Bhangra in IPL for 3 months? The future of cricket is bleak.

I specified fulcrum. Needless to add more!!

 

[arunp]

India’s refusal to play cricket in Pakistan isn’t causing Pakistan to go broke, as the country was already dealing with financial challenges. Despite these issues, Pakistan’s cricket team has continued to perform quiet well.

The real reason behind refusing to play is clear, to sustain the Hindutva narrative.

Well, PCB is already suffering. Rubbing PCB's face in the sand day in and day out will hopefully force PCB to boycott BCCI and ICC.
Meanwhile, I agree there is no need to cede an inch to Pakistan and by extension PCB.

 

[arunp]

Nah all of those are still pretty low value to a broadcaster compared to an IPL or ICC tournament game.

I am willing to be corrected. But you have not presented numbers and I am too lazy to search for them right now. So let's agree to disagree!!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

One way or another, this circus will be over soon. ICC is expected to give a final decision on November 26.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Nah it's impossible they'll go that far. At the most, they'll refuse to play the India game in the UAE. Say a 20% loss across the board (midpoint of your estimate). They'll lose $7m. It'll hurt but they'll survive.

Glorified IPL would be huge. It's sad but each game in the IPL is possibly worth twice each game in an ICC tournament.

It would be a very difficult choice for the IPL to do without an India-Pakistan game but if there's no other choice each country will have to accept a 20ish % cut in it's share of ICC revenue.

Nah all of those are still pretty low value to a broadcaster compared to an IPL or ICC tournament game.

Its comical how you seem intent on peddling your WKK view point couched in "logic".

Bad news. both sides have hardened their stance both at cricket board level and government level and will look like complete idiots if they change course without a significant trigger.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Manmohan Singh was a fanatic leader who faced Indian media. Modi hasn’t taken a single press conference and completely dominates the media narratives.
The corruption has likely increased, but because the media is less independent, the scandals are not getting to the surface.

he was a spineless clown who took dictation from Sonia.

 

[topspin]

Modi BJP have done a number on you. Haven't they?

Yes bc they have done a number on me .

On a serious note, the whole thread is laughing at you. Even if I was a BJP and Indian cricket supporter, I would get second hand embarrassment if a fellow Indian of mine had their head stuck in Modi's and Jay Shah's backside 24/7.

 

[Devadwal]

ICC to hold emergent meeting on Champions Trophy on Tuesday

The International Cricket Council will hold an emergent meeting of its board on Tuesday to take a final call and resolve the deadlock around the 2025 Champions Trophy in February-March next year in Pakistan. The meeting, during which a final verdict on the fate of the tournament is likely to be given, will be held virtually.

Amongst the attending members will naturally be the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), which has expressed its inability to send Team India to Pakistan citing lack of government permission, and the Pakistan Cricket Board, which has remained firm that it will host the entire tournament in Pakistan itself, thus ruling out the hybrid model, which would perhaps see India playing its matches in Dubai.

The impasse between the cricket boards of India and Pakistan has seen the delay of the announcement of the schedule of the 2025 Champions Trophy, which was supposed to be announced with 100 days left for the tournament.

ICC to hold emergent meeting on Champions Trophy on Tuesday | Cricket News - Times of India

Cricket News: The International Cricket Council (ICC) will convene for an emergency meeting on Tuesday to address the stalemate surrounding the 2025 Champions Troph

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

As i said earlier ,If PCB doesn't agreed for hybrid model than there will be voting by all the boards to decide where will be champion trophy held.

Pakistan/ PCB is now in mess .

 

[rpant_gabba]

You were wise to put question marks after both of those as pretty sure it is an attempt to pass off both disputes as Pakistan-led rather than BCCI.

Only an uninformed **** brained idiot woudl see it as anything else.

 

[kingusama92]

Only an uninformed **** brained idiot woudl see it as anything else.

He's not wrong. 2018 Asia Cup was not Pakistan-led.

I already provided the source in this thread where the Indian government said Pakistan can't come.

"The event was originally scheduled in India with BCCI playing the hosts but Pakistan’s participation was an issue considering the prevailing political situation between the neighbouring countries. The BCCI couldn’t procure relevant clearance from government security agencies to host Pakistan."

 

[arunp]

It might be good for business, but not for cricket. Without a wider audience, it’ll just end up being another game mostly watched by Indians and played by indians and one day you will get bored of playing by yourself and will start begging pakistan again to play with you

Not if you ask the Australians, English, South Africans..... They have promoted BGT and forgot to promote Aus-Pak. Someone pointed out he knew there was an Aus-Pak ODI only when he drew past MCG!!!
Cricket is more widely played than before. Just that Pakistan failed to build a sustainable economy and a cricket economy at that, does not mean it is bad for cricket.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Plz stick to the topic and avoid political discussion here

 

[jnaveen1980]

What i want is

A) CT should continue without India

B) India should schedule a 5 match T20I series with West Indies at the same time.

 

[Devadwal]

What i want is

A) CT should continue without India

B) India should schedule a 5 match T20I series with West Indies at the same time.

Not going to happen that's why ICC to hold emergency metting on 26 November .

All the cricket board will order PCB to accept the hybrid model if PCB doesn't agree than voting right to be used to decide the next steps.

I can see entire champions trophy move from Pakistan if they will not agree with hybrid model.

Chale to stand lene ab champion trophy bhi hath se jayegi or beijjati bhi hogi wo alag.

 

[rpant_gabba]

He's not wrong. 2018 Asia Cup was not Pakistan-led.

I already provided the source in this thread where the Indian government said Pakistan can't come.

"The event was originally scheduled in India with BCCI playing the hosts but Pakistan’s participation was an issue considering the prevailing political situation between the neighbouring countries. The BCCI couldn’t procure relevant clearance from government security agencies to host Pakistan."

would you mind providing the source?

couple of things stick out. a) Pak played in 2016 in India. b) Najam Sethi bragged about how PCB managed to shift 2018 Asia cup out of India.

WC23 was plain as day. a) Wasim Khan wanted WC23 to be hybrid model similar to ASia cup. b) didn't want to play in Ahmedabad. c) delayed agreemnt to participation (until forced into a corner) which delayed the scheduling.

Bottomline is post 2018 DRC proceedings at ICC, there is little to no goodwill between the boards and there is no sign of diplomatic thaw at government level.

I don't. expect things to change any time soon

 

[kingusama92]

would you mind providing the source?

couple of things stick out. a) Pak played in 2016 in India. b) Najam Sethi bragged about how PCB managed to shift 2018 Asia cup out of India.

WC23 was plain as day. a) Wasim Khan wanted WC23 to be hybrid model similar to ASia cup. b) didn't want to play in Ahmedabad. c) delayed agreemnt to participation (until forced into a corner) which delayed the scheduling.

Bottomline is post 2018 DRC proceedings at ICC, there is little to no goodwill between the boards and there is no sign of diplomatic thaw at government level.

I don't. expect things to change any time soon

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/asia-cup-2018-bcci-hands-over-hosting-rights-to-emirates-cricket-board-5312229/

That was the source.

Najam was just boasting for no reason because he was the head back then.

World Cup 2023 was a result of India not coming for the Asia Cup. This was once again led by India. Basically a similar situation to what's going on with the CT.

 

[nuttyprof]

would you mind providing the source?

couple of things stick out. a) Pak played in 2016 in India. b) Najam Sethi bragged about how PCB managed to shift 2018 Asia cup out of India.

WC23 was plain as day. a) Wasim Khan wanted WC23 to be hybrid model similar to ASia cup. b) didn't want to play in Ahmedabad. c) delayed agreemnt to participation (until forced into a corner) which delayed the scheduling.

Bottomline is post 2018 DRC proceedings at ICC, there is little to no goodwill between the boards and there is no sign of diplomatic thaw at government level.

I don't. expect things to change any time soon

Najam Sethi acted like a petulant child(his mental and intellectual age) on Indian news channels and threatened BCCI to play hybrid in wc 2023 and told they were not gonna visit Amdavad. PCB had full intent, not the horse power to get BCCI to do so. I hope Modi is not bitten by the virus and doesn’t become a WKK.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The whole drama should just end now. 2 months away now and still there is no news about the schedule. How many times have we seen such things happen before??
This whole drama was created because INDIA refuse to come for an ICC event.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is not about discussing economies here. Stay on topic

 

[Pakpak]

Thread is not about discussing economies here. Stay on topic

I have to salute your patience lol

But everything for Pakistan and India comes down to politics, economics and past history. Its the sole reason for the current impasse.