Ricky Ponting or AB de Villiers - Who would you take in ODIs?

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not talking about Dhoni, also Dhoni is regarded as arguably the greatest finisher in ODIs, alongside Bevan. AB doesn't have that sort of pedigree or at least isn't mentioned as a great finisher.

Put it this way, in a big match, I would pick Ponting over AB to come in and take the game by the scruff of the neck and put his team in a dominant position.

All that's fine mate.

We were discussing about responsibility.

Coming down the order doesn't necessarily mean hiding. It may or may not. Depends on the intention.

Same way, your success or failure when you come down the order doesn't determine whether you were hiding or not. It may or may not. Again depends on intention.

That was my point.

 

[Haroon786]

All that's fine mate.

We were discussing about responsibility.

Coming down the order doesn't necessarily mean hiding. It may or may not. Depends on the intention.

Same way, your success or failure when you come down the order doesn't determine whether you were hiding or not. It may or may not. Again depends on intention.

That was my point.

I believe vehemently, that the best batsman should be batting in the top 3 in ODIs.

Kohli, Smith, Root and Williamson all bat in the top 3 for their respective teams and they are the best batsmen in their teams. Babar (separating his name in case some think I'm lumping him in with the fab 4) also bats at 3 for Pakistan.

AB should have been batting in the top 3 IMO at least 7-8 years back. Regardless, he's still top 10/ top 5 of all time though which signifies the destruction he's orchestrated in this decade.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Ponting has played 8 world cup finals and semi-finals. Only once, did he cross 50 and that was in the 2003 WC final. So, he failed 7 out of 8 times in the most important world cup matches. Devilliers, on the other hand, has played just 2 world cup semi-finals and has already performed in one of them. I will stick with Devilliers even in the world cups.

In matches won, Ponting has 25 100s in 262 innings. Devilliers already has 20 in half the number of innings (133) with an average difference of +26 and a strike rate difference of +24. Even, the era of flat tracks is not an excuse anymore.

Even, if I take extreme selective stats for AB by removing WI, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and all associates, the guy still averages 53+ at 97 SR with a 50+ average against all countries except England.

AB is a freak bat in ODIs no matter how you dissect his stats. Only Viv, Kohli, Tendulkar, and Bevan can claim to be better than him in ODIs.

 

[sajeebmcj]

Ponting has played 8 world cup finals and semi-finals. Only once, did he cross 50 and that was in the 2003 WC final. So, he failed 7 out of 8 times in the most important world cup matches. Devilliers, on the other hand, has played just 2 world cup semi-finals and has already performed in one of them. I will stick with Devilliers even in the world cups.

In matches won, Ponting has 25 100s in 262 innings. Devilliers already has 20 in half the number of innings (133) with an average difference of +26 and a strike rate difference of +24. Even, the era of flat tracks is not an excuse anymore.

Even, if I take extreme selective stats for AB by removing WI, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and all associates, the guy still averages 53+ at 97 SR with a 50+ average against all countries except England.

AB is a freak bat in ODIs no matter how you dissect his stats. Only Viv, Kohli, Tendulkar, and Bevan can claim to be better than him in ODIs.

you are trying hard mate. but you know any x,y,z is better than ab in pakpassion.

 

[Bilal7]

Ponting won those three World Cups due to the team he was playing for. Stick anyone in that team and they would end up with three WC winner's medals too.

ABD has a fantastic WC record; he almost single-handedly got South Africa so close to a win against Pakistan and New Zealand in the last WC. Besides, WC matches are simply one aspect of a player's career. If you look at their overall career numbers, ABD is better.

Furthermore, both of them bat at different positions so comparing them is pretty hard as it is. Ponting is the best ODI #3 while AB is the best ODI #5. Both are bonafide ATGs and AB is the best of his time.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

2 of the GOAT odi batsmen, who do you consider to be a better batsman ?

These are their stats, though keep in mind that they played in different eras with some overlap

Ricky Ponting :
Matches - 375
Runs - 13704
Average - 42.03
Strike Rate - 80.39

Ab de Villiers:
Matches - 228
Runs - 9577
Average - 53.50
Strike Rate - 101.09

 

[Hitman]

You can't compare players from the pre 2 ball era with the post 2 ball era. In the post 2 ball era, even someone like Babar Azam has an average of more than 50. ABD played more than half of his career in the post 2 ball era.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

You can't compare players from the pre 2 ball era with the post 2 ball era. In the post 2 ball era, even someone like Babar Azam has an average of more than 50. ABD played more than half of his career in the post 2 ball era.

True and I mentioned that in the thread but Abd averaged 46@91 in the pre 2 ball era

 

[DeadlyVenom]

2 of the GOAT odi batsmen, who do you consider to be a better batsman ?

These are their stats, though keep in mind that they played in different eras with some overlap

Ricky Ponting :
Matches - 375
Runs - 13704
Average - 42.03
Strike Rate - 80.39

Ab de Villiers:
Matches - 228
Runs - 9577
Average - 53.50
Strike Rate - 101.09

AB had the superior skillset without doubt.

But Pointing had a real steel and aura about him that I don't think AB had.

It's a difficult comparison. I'm inclined to pick Pointing because I feel he had more impact when batting. AB could really up the tempo and cash in but Pointing would take control of the game more imo.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

AB had the superior skillset without doubt.

But Pointing had a real steel and aura about him that I don't think AB had.

It's a difficult comparison. I'm inclined to pick Pointing because I feel he had more impact when batting. AB could really up the tempo and cash in but Pointing would take control of the game more imo.

AB is the most talented batter I have seen, but was mentally weak. It's not fair to call him a choker but he really should have won something with that saffer team

 

[Fanboy375]

Batsman+Captain than it is Ponting
But if one already has a captain than it is AB De Villiers

 

[Fanboy375]

De villers best impact comes from bi laterals bullying which granted in that era was taken seriously but he had zero impact in icc events.

Had SA failed but de villers was the sole outlier in the same way Sachin was in 2003 and 2007 it would have been a different story, but he himself had the exact same choker mentality. He was a part of that circus.

Infact qdk has better icc performances then him, QDK would typically choke in knockout stages while de villers would choke from the get go as soon as the tournament began.

One thing I will say is that an inform de villers is more dangerous and versatile then an inform Ponting. That I will agree on.

Problem with SA is that they were bi lateral giant but they under perform in world cup.But that is because except AB none from 2007-2015 played well.Look at this
You can see batsman who average more than 40 has 8 players from Aus and 7 from Ind during 2007-2015 era.SA had just 6.Which make sense since they are 3rd best team in those world cups from that era


Aus had the best win/lose followed by Ind and SA.If you look at first list you see only 3 players had better average than AB and if you count minimum 20 matches than there is only one.Hayden won world cups and so did Yuvraj.But Sanga lost 2 finals.AB team were underperforming team in world cup and it wasn't his fault.If AB is nothing special than why couldn't other world cup winning players overthrow him in performance.If only SA had 1 or 2 batsman being capable of pulling big score than SA could have change.I am ignoring SA bowling attack but they also underperformed compared to bi lateral series