RSS converts 53 families in drive to make block in Jharkhand ‘Christianity-free’

[Rafa]

Ateast 53 families in five tribal-dominated villages “returned to Hindu fold” in the last one month as part of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh’s “Christianity-free” block campaign in Jharkhand’s Arki, RSS workers have said.

These families live in villages that are part of the Sindri panchayat, which the RSS, the ideological parent of the BJP that is in power in the mineral-rich state, says has been “hijacked” by Christian missionaries over the last 10 years.

The alleged ghar wapsi, sources said, would continue throughout April.

“You cannot call it conversion. We are only bringing our lost brothers and sisters back to their religion,” said RSS Saiyojak Laxman Singh Munda, who is spearheading the campaign.

“We want a Christianity-free block. The villagers will soon return to their roots.”

The tribals were lured into Christianity by the missionaries, said Munda, who is also the BJP’s deputy president of Khunti district in which Sindri panchayat falls.

Ghar wapsi, the Hindi word for homecoming, is the proselytising campaign launched by some Hindu outfits to convert non-Hindus and “bringing them back into the fold of Hinduism”.

The RSS and its various affiliates have been accused of terrorising and forcing people into changing their religion.

On April 7, at least seven Christian families – including tribals and non-tribals — underwent a Shuddhikaran, or a purification ceremony in Kochasindhri village.

Sandalwood paste was smeared on their foreheads, their feet washed and a Tilak performed by local Hindu priests.

“You cannot call it conversion. We are only bringing our lost brothers and sisters back to their religion. We want a Christianity-free block. The villagers will soon return to their roots.” -- Laxman Singh Munda, who is spearheading the RSS campaign

http://m.hindustantimes.com/india-n...ianity-free/story-Um4Q7elItY4escQeynJHXM.html

Hinduization of India taking place under a " Secular " country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Conversion to any religion is legal in India.Next time read the article.

 

[Hornbill]

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Ateast 53 families in five tribal-dominated villages “returned to Hindu fold” in the last one month as part of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh’s “Christianity-free” block campaign in Jharkhand’s Arki, RSS workers have said.

These families live in villages that are part of the Sindri panchayat, which the RSS, the ideological parent of the BJP that is in power in the mineral-rich state, says has been “hijacked” by Christian missionaries over the last 10 years.

The alleged ghar wapsi, sources said, would continue throughout April.

“You cannot call it conversion. We are only bringing our lost brothers and sisters back to their religion,” said RSS Saiyojak Laxman Singh Munda, who is spearheading the campaign.

“We want a Christianity-free block. The villagers will soon return to their roots.”

The tribals were lured into Christianity by the missionaries, said Munda, who is also the BJP’s deputy president of Khunti district in which Sindri panchayat falls.

Ghar wapsi, the Hindi word for homecoming, is the proselytising campaign launched by some Hindu outfits to convert non-Hindus and “bringing them back into the fold of Hinduism”.

The RSS and its various affiliates have been accused of terrorising and forcing people into changing their religion.

On April 7, at least seven Christian families – including tribals and non-tribals — underwent a Shuddhikaran, or a purification ceremony in Kochasindhri village.

Sandalwood paste was smeared on their foreheads, their feet washed and a Tilak performed by local Hindu priests.

“You cannot call it conversion. We are only bringing our lost brothers and sisters back to their religion. We want a Christianity-free block. The villagers will soon return to their roots.” -- Laxman Singh Munda, who is spearheading the RSS campaign

http://m.hindustantimes.com/india-n...ianity-free/story-Um4Q7elItY4escQeynJHXM.html

Hinduization of India taking place under a " Secular " country.

What's your problem with villagers returning to their roots, If Christianity or islam can offer them better deal they will choose that path.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Lovely to see brothers coming back to their roots. I consider myself an atheist, but the beauty of Hinduism will probably make me give Ghar Wapsi a shot too.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lovely to see brothers coming back to their roots. I consider myself an atheist, but the beauty of Hinduism will probably make me give Ghar Wapsi a shot too.

I wonder what caste these brothers will be coming home to? Will they be fast tracked to Rajput status I wonder?

 

[Saeed]

If lost brothers and sisters don't want to comeback to their roots what happens to them?

 

[hafeezrocks]

If lost brothers and sisters don't want to comeback to their roots what happens to them?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_India

 

[troodon]

I wonder what caste these brothers will be coming home to? Will they be fast tracked to Rajput status I wonder?

They are tribals and that is what they will remain. Hindu Tribals.

 

[troodon]

If lost brothers and sisters don't want to comeback to their roots what happens to them?

They will be lured until they give up. Money is a magnet.

I am sure Missionaries from US and Europe will come up with a better offer and the fear of eternal hell fires.

Tribals will be the winners.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They are tribals and that is what they will remain. Hindu Tribals.

Is Hindu tribals considered

a) high caste
b) intermediate
c) low caste

 

[Specialisttailender]

Is Hindu tribals considered

a) high caste
b) intermediate
c) low caste

Yes. High castes don't oppress low castes anymore, it is the intermediate castes that do that. The upper-middle castes are the worsts. More frequent in rural areas in South India and can't speak for rest of India but it is usually a bit worse.

 

[troodon]

Is Hindu tribals considered

a) high caste
b) intermediate
c) low caste

Tribals do not have a caste just like Dalits. They are Panchams. They are outside of Caste System. Hence they were barred from entering Temples and cities/towns for centuries as they were considered impure.

Dalits and Tribals are the original inhabitants of Subcontinent.

Over centuries, they got slowly absorbed into Hinduism. But the stigma of being not part of caste system stayed and they were treated like outsiders in their own land. Things are slowly changing. It will take many more decades before the whole whole caste system becomes a thing of the past.

 

[santos11]

Converting and then reconverting. Life goes on

 

[srh]

Is Hindu tribals considered

a) high caste
b) intermediate
c) low caste

you forget option d) no caste aka Shouder which means the 3 types of hindus (high, intermediate, low) can do whatever they want with you and its all fair

 

[Musakhel]

Tribals do not have a caste just like Dalits. They are Panchams. They are outside of Caste System. Hence they were barred from entering Temples and cities/towns for centuries as they were considered impure.

Dalits and Tribals are the original inhabitants of Subcontinent.

Over centuries, they got slowly absorbed into Hinduism. But the stigma of being not part of caste system stayed and they were treated like outsiders in their own land. Things are slowly changing. It will take many more decades before the whole whole caste system becomes a thing of the past.

Cool so that is 40% of the Indian population who are outside the caste system considering Indian posters say that vast majority of Indian muslims were dalit converts.

 

[Saeed]

They will be lured until they give up. Money is a magnet.

I am sure Missionaries from US and Europe will come up with a better offer and the fear of eternal hell fires.

Tribals will be the winners.

From Tribal people's point of view it is a positive thing. They can make a lot of money if they could keep conning both sides. So much win for them it's tremendous.

 

[troodon]

Cool so that is 40% of the Indian population who are outside the caste system considering Indian posters say that vast majority of Indian muslims were dalit converts.

Indian Muslims were converted from all castes. From what I read,

Rajputs became Khans. Some kept titles Raja/Rana etc.
Brahmins became Syeds (Cunning)
Kayastha became Qureshis?
jatts/Gujjars... Free names. You choose, you take.. They probably retained their surnames.

Then there are Dalit Muslims.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Tribals do not have a caste just like Dalits. They are Panchams. They are outside of Caste System. Hence they were barred from entering Temples and cities/towns for centuries as they were considered impure.

Dalits and Tribals are the original inhabitants of Subcontinent.

Over centuries, they got slowly absorbed into Hinduism. But the stigma of being not part of caste system stayed and they were treated like outsiders in their own land. Things are slowly changing. It will take many more decades before the whole whole caste system becomes a thing of the past.

So from an acceptance point of view it seems pointless to convert to Hinduism. They are not going to be considered equal to other Hindus so 'ghar wapsi' is a misleading term since most highly regarded Hindus wouldn't want these people anywhere near their homes.

 

[troodon]

So from an acceptance point of view it seems pointless to convert to Hinduism. They are not going to be considered equal to other Hindus so 'ghar wapsi' is a misleading term since most highly regarded Hindus wouldn't want these people anywhere near their homes.

Even if they convert to Christianity or Islam, its the same story. Other Christian/Muslim converts from Brahmins/Rajputs/Gujjars/Jatts... will not accept them and treat them as equals. You have to declare who you are during weddings.

That is why Ambedkar pushed for Dalits to join Buddhism. Not many Buddhists in India and Dalits will pretty much be the only Buddhists. No chance of discrimination.

Another reason is, Dalits and especially Tribals cannot really relate to Christianity or Islam. Especially the historic places mentioned in their holy books. Buddhism is born in India. They have sacred places in India. They can easily relate to them and do the pilgrimage if they want to.

Funny thing is, even among Dalits, they have sub divisions and rivalries. In Andhra Pradesh, Dalit Castes (Mala and Madiga) are bitter rivals. They do not intermarry and the quota in reservations(Affirmative action) is a big deal for them. Dalits have a long long history and they are slightly different to each other.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Even if they convert to Christianity or Islam, its the same story. Other Christian/Muslim converts from Brahmins/Rajputs/Gujjars/Jatts... will not accept them and treat them as equals. You have to declare who you are during weddings.

That is why Ambedkar pushed for Dalits to join Buddhism. Not many Buddhists in India and Dalits will pretty much be the only Buddhists. No chance of discrimination.

Another reason is, Dalits and especially Tribals cannot really relate to Christianity or Islam. Especially the historic places mentioned in their holy books. Buddhism is born in India. They have sacred places in India. They can easily relate to them and do the pilgrimage if they want to.

Funny thing is, even among Dalits, they have sub divisions and rivalries. In Andhra Pradesh, Dalit Castes (Mala and Madiga) are bitter rivals. They do not intermarry and the quota in reservations(Affirmative action) is a big deal for them. Dalits have a long long history and they are slightly different to each other.

That may well be true, but if they are Christian or Muslim, at least from a religious point of view they can regard themselves as equal or better. There's not much they can do to change the culture of a society, but that isn't necessarily the point of religion for the individual.

 

[troodon]

That may well be true, but if they are Christian or Muslim, at least from a religious point of view they can regard themselves as equal or better. There's not much they can do to change the culture of a society, but that isn't necessarily the point of religion for the individual.

Its all about how your fellow followers treat you. Its about respect. They will not get that in Christianity or Islam.

Rules look good on paper. But realities are different. A Syed or Pathan or Rajput Muslim will not marry a Dalit Muslim (if they know his/her caste).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its all about how your fellow followers treat you. Its about respect. They will not get that in Christianity or Islam.

Rules look good on paper. But realities are different. A Syed or Pathan or Rajput Muslim will not marry a Dalit Muslim (if they know his/her caste).

That sort of cultural baggage only holds in the Indian subcontinent where it originated. It doesn't last long once the same people move abroad. Status comes with earning potential, a dalit could earn as much as a brahmin theoretically in the UK.

 

[ahmedzee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE8p9-rtHkY

Was watching this Al Jazeera documentary. This article reminded me of that.

 

[Madplayer]

They are tribals and that is what they will remain. Hindu Tribals.

The term "hindu" tribals is basically a forced one on these poor defenceless tribals. I might be misinformed here but i think the tribals of jharkand like mundas, oraons etc or any tribals for that matter like todas or bhils etc believe in non-hindu dieties. Some of them even perform polyandry. Correct me if i'm wrong but nobody asked any tribals in any part of india whether they would like to be categorised as hindus. They were just dumped along with all other hindus. Many modern day tribal revolts took place because they believed that the power went from british colonialists to Indian (mainstream) colonialists. Both tried to "civilize" the poor fellows by various exploitative schemes.

 

[santos11]

The term "hindu" tribals is basically a forced one on these poor defenceless tribals. I might be misinformed here but i think the tribals of jharkand like mundas, oraons etc or any tribals for that matter like todas or bhils etc believe in non-hindu dieties. Some of them even perform polyandry. Correct me if i'm wrong but nobody asked any tribals in any part of india whether they would like to be categorised as hindus. They were just dumped along with all other hindus. Many modern day tribal revolts took place because they believed that the power went from british colonialists to Indian (mainstream) colonialists. Both tried to "civilize" the poor fellows by various exploitative schemes.

The tribal beliefs have been widely assimilated within Hinduism,. Problem with conversion to Islam and Christianity is that these Tribals would haven to give up their old traditions.

These trials can worship Sun or Rain God and still remain Hindu, but cannot do that by being a Muslim or Christian.

 

[Madplayer]

The tribal beliefs have been widely assimilated within Hinduism,. Problem with conversion to Islam and Christianity is that these Tribals would haven to give up their old traditions.

These trials can worship Sun or Rain God and still remain Hindu, but cannot do that by being a Muslim or Christian.

I get what you are saying but Assimilation is not accomodation. They still have to give up a lot of beliefs of their which are prohibited by hindu law. My point remains, if they "convert" to Islam or christianity, it will be by their choice. Grouping them with mainstream hindus without their consent is unfair to them. In many places, their land was grabbed and they were made to languish and live a life they werent used to.

 

[PakLFC]

Only about 300 million more to convert before 2021. We should also convert Hindu's to Islam in Middle Eastern countries where they come to work. Preach the word of Allah to them beautifully and peacefully as they need it for sure.

 

[troodon]

Only about 300 million more to convert before 2021. We should also convert Hindu's to Islam in Middle Eastern countries where they come to work. Preach the word of Allah to them beautifully and peacefully as they need it for sure.

Most people working in Middle East are Malayalees and Hyderabadis. Many are already Muslim.

 

[PakLFC]

Most people working in Middle East are Malayalees and Hyderabadis. Many are already Muslim.

There are many non Muslims as well. We all know that.

 

[troodon]

There are many non Muslims as well. We all know that.

When you said we should also convert Hindus to Islam, who are we there?

Arabs already did a wonder job of converting a major chunk of Subcontinent to Islam.

If Arabs pay poor christians and Hindus a couple of lakhs each, they might think of converting or at least pretend they are Muslims while they are in Middle East.

 

[PakLFC]

When you said we should also convert Hindus to Islam, who are we there?

Arabs already did a wonder job of converting a major chunk of Subcontinent to Islam.

If Arabs pay poor christians and Hindus a couple of lakhs each, they might think of converting or at least pretend they are Muslims while they are in Middle East.

We are the Muslim's. I think the Arab's originally bought Islam to the subcontinent planting the faith but other communities like the Turks and Afghans did much of the preaching as well. No! Islam can not be forced on anyone at all so if they pay poor Hindu's then it should not be to convert them at all. There is no need for them to pretend, if given the money they can take it whilst remaining Hindu. No problem.

 

[troodon]

We are the Muslim's. I think the Arab's originally bought Islam to the subcontinent planting the faith but other communities like the Turks and Afghans did much of the preaching as well. No! Islam can not be forced on anyone at all so if they pay poor Hindu's then it should not be to convert them at all. There is no need for them to pretend, if given the money they can take it whilst remaining Hindu. No problem.

The first generation might pretend. But the next generation will not. They will see Islamic literature, pray in mosque and they will become Muslims. It happens with a lot of Christians in India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Conversion to any religion is legal in India.Next time read the article.

The topic isn't whether conversion is legal or not but why is the RSS trying to create a 'Christianity-free block'.

Can you explain what the ideology of the RSS is and what does a 'Christianity-free block' mean?

 

[PakLFC]

The first generation might pretend. But the next generation will not. They will see Islamic literature, pray in mosque and they will become Muslims. It happens with a lot of Christians in India.

What is your point? As I said in Islam there is a concept called Zakat where money is given to the poor irrespective of faith. It is not in exchange for converting people or anything like that which many Christian organisations do. Islam grew because Allah wanted it to yet it has it's apostates as well. I have no problem with that, it's for Allah not anyone else to judge them.

 

[troodon]

What is your point? As I said in Islam there is a concept called Zakat where money is given to the poor irrespective of faith. It is not in exchange for converting people or anything like that which many Christian organisations do. Islam grew because Allah wanted it to yet it has it's apostates as well. I have no problem with that, it's for Allah not anyone else to judge them.

What is my point?

You are the one who said Arabs should convert Hindus working in Gulf to Islam. Hence my comments. Looks like you lost track of what you initially said.

 

[czar]

Even the RSS can claim of bringing the misguided followers on the right track of Hinduism.

 

[troodon]

Even the RSS can claim of bringing the misguided followers on the right track of Hinduism.

Every deluded person thinks his belief is the right one. Wonderfully, they back it up with zero proof except for instilling fears of eternal fire and torture (that too they have no proof).

 

[PakLFC]

What is my point?

You are the one who said Arabs should convert Hindus working in Gulf to Islam. Hence my comments. Looks like you lost track of what you initially said.

No you just did not answer properly. I said that Muslim's not Arab's should preach Islam to Hindu's as well. What's wrong with that?