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When do you expect a cure/vaccine for Covid-19 to be found?


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While the Italian woman admitted at the SMS Medical Collegehas already tested negative for coronavirus after over two weeks of treatment, her 69-year-old husband has "responded very well" to the treatment by the team of doctors despite a history of lung diseases, officials said.


When vaccine is not available then we have to use some cocktail to see if it works..
 
Coronavirus Pandemic : Search for cure/vaccine Thread

Germany tries to halt U.S. interest in firm working on coronavirus vaccine


BERLIN (Reuters) - Berlin is trying to stop Washington from persuading a German company seeking a coronavirus vaccine to move its research to the United States, prompting German politicians to insist no country should have a monopoly on any future vaccine.

German government sources told Reuters on Sunday that the U.S. administration was looking into how it could gain access to a potential vaccine being developed by a German firm, CureVac.

Earlier, the Welt am Sonntag German newspaper reported that U.S. President Donald Trump had offered funds to lure CureVac to the United States, and the German government was making counter-offers to tempt it to stay.

Responding to the report, the U.S. ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, wrote on Twitter: “The Welt story was wrong.”

A U.S. official said: “This story is wildly overplayed ... We will continue to talk to any company that claims to be able to help. And any solution found would be shared with the world.”

A German Health Ministry spokeswoman, confirming a quote in the newspaper, said: “The German government is very interested in ensuring that vaccines and active substances against the new coronavirus are also developed in Germany and Europe.”

“In this regard, the government is in intensive exchange with the company CureVac,” she added.

Welt am Sonntag quoted an unidentified German government source as saying Trump was trying to secure the scientists’ work exclusively, and would do anything to get a vaccine for the United States, “but only for the United States.”

German Interior Minister Horst Seehofer told a news conference that the government’s coronavirus crisis committee would discuss the CureVac case on Monday.

CureVac issued a statement on Sunday, in which it said: “The company rejects current rumors of an acquisition”.

CureVac’s main investor Dietmar Hopp said he was not selling and wanted CureVac to develop a coronavirus vaccine to “help people not just regionally but in solidarity across the world.”

“I would be glad if this could be achieved through my long-term investments out of Germany,” he added.

A German Economy Ministry spokeswoman said Berlin “has a great interest” in producing vaccines in Germany and Europe.

She cited Germany’s foreign trade law, under which Berlin can examine takeover bids from non-EU, so-called third countries “if national or European security interests are at stake”.

The privately-held company based in Tuebingen, Germany hopes to have an experimental vaccine ready by June or July to then seek the go-ahead from regulators for testing on humans.

On its website, CureVac said CEO Daniel Menichella early this month met Trump, Vice President Mike Pence, members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force and senior representatives of pharmaceutical and biotech companies to discuss a vaccine.

CureVac in 2015 and 2018 secured financial backing for development projects from its investor the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, working on shots to prevent malaria and influenza.

In the field of so-called mRNA therapeutics, CureVac competes with U.S. biotech firm Moderna and German rival BioNTech, which Pfizer (PFE.N) has identified as a potential collaboration partner.

Drugs based on mRNA provide a type of genetic blueprint that can be injected into the body to instruct cells to produce the desired therapeutic proteins. That contrasts with the conventional approach of making these proteins in labs and bio-reactors.

In the case of vaccines, the mRNA prompts body cells to produce so-called antigens, the tell-tale molecules on the surface of viruses, that spur the immune system into action.

Companies working on other coronavirus-vaccine approaches include Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) and INOVIO Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (INO.O).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-working-on-coronavirus-vaccine-idUSKBN2120IV
 
The first trial in people of a vaccine to protect against pandemic coronavirus is starting in the US later on Monday, according to reports.

A group of 45 healthy volunteers will have the jab, at the Kaiser Permanente research facility, in Seattle.

The vaccine cannot cause Covid-19 but contains a harmless genetic code copied from the virus that causes the disease.

Experts say it will still take many months to know if this vaccine, or others also in research, will work.

Scientists around the world are fast-tracking research.

And this first human trial, funded by the National Institutes of Health, sidesteps a check that would normally be conducted - making sure the vaccine can trigger an immune response in animals.

But the biotechnology company behind the work, Moderna Therapeutics, says the vaccine has been made using a tried and tested process.

Dr John Tregoning, an expert in infectious diseases at Imperial College London, UK, said: "This vaccine uses pre-existing technology.

"It's been made to a very high standard, using things that we know are safe to use in people and those taking part in the trial will be very closely monitored.

"Yes, this is very fast - but it is a race against the virus, not against each other as scientists, and it's being done for the benefit of humanity."

Typical vaccines for viruses, such as measles, are made from a weakened or killed virus.

But the mRNA-1273 vaccine is not made from the virus that causes Covid-19.

Instead, it includes a short segment of genetic code copied from the virus that scientists have been able to make in a laboratory.

This will hopefully prime the body's own immune system to fight off the real infection.

The volunteers will be given different doses of the experimental vaccine.

They will each be given two jabs in total, 28 days apart, into the upper arm muscle.

But even if these initial safety tests go well, it could still take up to 18 months for any potential vaccine to become available for the public.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51906604
 
Some disappointing facts :

We are still not sure how rapidly Covid-19 mutates. That's why i won't believe in any vaccine news yet. Vaccine, if rushed, can be a risky thing as it carries an outside risk of inducing mutations of Covid-19.

If rushed, I'm 110% sure, vaccine will be first dispatched for use (Trial) in underdeveloped countries of Africa/Asia to monitor the potential adverse effects. Thereafter if proved safe, only then it will be approved in Europe/USA. Sad, but that's how Pharma Industry operates.

In my clinical experience, I have seen patients overwhelmingly using "magical new drugs" , only to experience severe adverse effects later.

Ideally development of Covid-19 vaccine should take time and go through routine testing procedures. Another important factor is supervision of research. All this research should be under one authority that is WHO. Funded, supervised and delivered by WHO. Otherwise it will become a dirty game of Business and Geopolitics in an year or two.

45 volunteers getting vaccine trial ? This is a procedure in case of most drugs but I highly doubt this news in context of Covid-19. Just a news item to satisfy the world outside.

I will be much happier if proved wrong.
 
Vaccine can, and should, wait.

Right now we need diagnostic kits. Easily and widely available in affordable prices.
 
The vaccine already exists. The USA strategy in ridiculing China has backfired royally. USA tried it with currency, trade, companies, and now health - all in vain.

Welcome to globalisation, where cheap products are all in one basket.
 
Those(not all) with the infection can be cured in hospital.

I wouldnt take any vaccine at this stage. We dont know what the side effects will be.
 
12 - 18 months but who knows, scientists have more experience from previous pandemics and governments and business risk losing trillions of dollars so they may be able to produce a vaccine in 6 months and then roll it out to the public without many trials due to the urgency.
 
Australian researchers say immune response to coronavirus mapped

As scientists scramble to develop a vaccine, researchers at Australia's Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity said they had taken an important step in understanding the virus by mapping the immune responses from one of country's first coronavirus patients.

By examining the blood results from an unidentified woman in her 40s, they discovered that people's immune systems respond to coronavirus in the same way it typically fights flu.

The findings are an important step in developing a vaccine and treatment, the country's health minister said on Tuesday regarding the virus which has more than 168,000 people worldwide and killed at least 6,610.

While the bulk of those infected experience only mild symptoms, it is severe or critical in 20 percent of patients. The virus mortality rate is about 3.4 percent, the World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated.

The findings help scientists understand why some patients recover while others develop more serious respiratory problems, the researchers said.

"People can use our methods to understand the immune responses in larger COVID-19 cohorts, and also understand what's lacking in those who have fatal outcomes," said Katherine Kedzierska, professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Melbourne, which took part in the research.

COVID-19 is the disease caused by the coronavirus.

Accurate prediction

As researchers monitored the Australian patient's immune response, they were able to accurately predict when she would recover.

Researchers did not name the patient, but said she was an Australian citizen who was evacuated out of Wuhan the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak in China.

Health Minister Greg Hunt described the development as "world- leading" and a significant development in research on the disease.

"It's about fast-tracking a vaccine by identifying which candidates are most likely to be successful," Hunt told reporters. "It's also about fast-tracking potential therapies and treatments for patients who already have coronavirus."

At least a dozen drugmakers around the world are working on vaccines or antiviral and other treatments for the fast-spreading contagion.

But investment costs for vaccines could run as high as $800m in a process that, even if accelerated, will likely take more than a year until approval, according to executives from companies involved in the effort.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ponse-coronavirus-mapped-200317071025804.html
 
As far as treatment is concerned, according to French study, Most-Promising results so far have been from treatment with Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin.

My personal impressions is that eventually Covid-19 will be our new Flu, albeit more contagious.
 
Human trials have already started in the US but some experts say it normally takes 14 months to get enough results to determine success. The world doesn't have 14 months.

once this crisis is over we will talk about the time before the virus and the time after it. Stay safe people!
 
There will be a vaccine sooner rather than later. Most of the viral genome is mapped already.
 
All this research should be under one authority that is WHO. Funded, supervised and delivered by WHO. Otherwise it will become a dirty game of Business and Geopolitics in an year or two.

Your faith is UN bureaucracy is touching.
 
I personally feel there is just too much fear and panic. Statistically speaking people are actually dying from other diseases worldwide on a daily and annual basis compared to Corona Virus
 
Human trials have already started in the US but some experts say it normally takes 14 months to get enough results to determine success. The world doesn't have 14 months.

once this crisis is over we will talk about the time before the virus and the time after it. Stay safe people!

Human trial started without waiting for animal testing, that's an extreme measure, and it tells you the severity of the situation.

It will take at least 14-18 months.
 
I personally feel there is just too much fear and panic. Statistically speaking people are actually dying from other diseases worldwide on a daily and annual basis compared to Corona Virus

Apologies if this sounds harsh, but you sound like a typical uneducated person. There is a reason why this virus has the medical and scientific communities in a state of worry. Can these 'diseases' you speak of be transmitted as easily and in such a short period of time like Covid-19 can? Do they have the potential to overwhelm health services worldwide leading to thousands of avoidable deaths to the extent that Covid-19 can? When you don't have the appropriate knowledge about something it is best to follow scientific advice rather than trying to be a contrarian to come off as smart and win desi dinner party arguments.
 
World Health Organization Director General Tedros Adhanom Wednesday described the coronavirus pandemic as an unprecedented threat.

“This coronavirus is presenting us with an unprecedented threat. But it’s also an unprecedented opportunity to come together as one against a common enemy,” Adhanom told reporters.

The WHO chief described the trial for coronavirus vaccine as an incredible achievement in just two months after the outbreak began.

“The first vaccine trial has begun, just 60 days after the genetic sequence of the coronavirus was shared. This is an incredible achievement. We commend the researchers around the world who have come together to systemically evaluate experimental therapeutics”


He said the WHO needs strong evidence about treatments which help to save lives.

“Multiple small trials with different methods may not give us the clear, strong evidence we need about which treatments help to save lives. WHO and partners are organizing a study in many countries in which some of these untested treatments are compared with each other.”

Tedros Adhanom said he was hopeful that the world will eventually prevail over coronavirus.

“I continue to be inspired by the many demonstrations of solidarity from all over the world. The COVID19 Solidarity Response Fund has now raised over $43 million from more than 173 thousand individuals and organizations. I’d especially like to thank FIFA for its contribution of $10 million. “These and other efforts give me hope that together, we can and will prevail.

Around two lakh people have been affected by the virus and more than 8000 have died of it around the world. Countries such as China where it originate d, Iran and Italy have seen the largest casualties.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...us-pandemic/story-QciuDWcfyLTpGRU1ZHKV3H.html
 
We are using Hydroxychloroquin in moderately severe cases, non-ICU patients in hospital, its based upon a small study. For more sever cases we're using some experimental drugs, since its not the gold standard would not mention that.

Hydroxychloquin is cheap widely available anywhere in the word, mainly as anti-malaria drug, it has potential role as prophylactic meds also after an exposure. No one should take it without consulting his/her physician as like every medication it also has some side effect too.

There is huge competition among some pharma giants to develop a treatment or vaccine, hopefully will be available in 8-12 months , not longer.
 
We are using Hydroxychloroquin in moderately severe cases, non-ICU patients in hospital, its based upon a small study. For more sever cases we're using some experimental drugs, since its not the gold standard would not mention that.

Hydroxychloquin is cheap widely available anywhere in the word, mainly as anti-malaria drug, it has potential role as prophylactic meds also after an exposure. No one should take it without consulting his/her physician as like every medication it also has some side effect too.

There is huge competition among some pharma giants to develop a treatment or vaccine, hopefully will be available in 8-12 months , not longer.

Do you think various existing drug cocktails that have been used with some success against viral diseases like AIDS etc. have a chance of success?
 
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Do you think various existing drug cocktails that have been used with some success against viral diseases like AIDS etc. have a chance of success?

Its an off-labelled use, but yes we're using them ( Kaletra ) in some selected cases based upon some case reports and we're also using IL-6 inhibitor tocilizumab in some severe cases. Again this all off labelled treatment, based upon some positive but limited data.

Again this is experimental treatment cannot be recommended for general use, should be decided by ID and intentivist of the hospital on individual basis.
 
I personally feel there is just too much fear and panic. Statistically speaking people are actually dying from other diseases worldwide on a daily and annual basis compared to Corona Virus

You are overlooking the "Collateral Damage".

Corona itself may not be a disease with high mortality. Major concern is Corona Patients are taking up hospital beds/Ventilators that were otherwise available and potentially life savers for some patients of other major diseases.

Corona is eating up healthcare resources and this also means more deaths from other diseases too. This is a big reason for world to panic and that's why there is Panic.
 
I personally feel there is just too much fear and panic. Statistically speaking people are actually dying from other diseases worldwide on a daily and annual basis compared to Corona Virus

I had the same thinking 2-3 weeks ago, but as the fight against the covid-19 is heating up here in USA and my colleagues a I are at the forefront of the battlefield , I think there is not enough "panic and fear' about it as many people, particularly the young ones are not taking it serious enough, no wonder NYC mayor planning to impose a curfew like situation.

I have been an ICU doctor for some times now, but never imagined a situation like this . I'm most worried about the situation where I have to treat my colleagues and vice versa as we are treating some very sick covid-19 positive patients. We are short by two intensive care doctors due to symptoms and exposure, one is high risk and taking time off. I have almost isolated myself from my family for the time being, not take any chances , although I'm fine ATM.

So Covid-19 outbreak is the biggest global health and financial threat I have seen in my life time.

But we're positive, we will get over it. Please pray for each other.
 
I personally feel there is just too much fear and panic. Statistically speaking people are actually dying from other diseases worldwide on a daily and annual basis compared to Corona Virus

You are a highly educated guy.

Start reading up on this issue.

This is the kind of thinking why people are dropping dead.

Statistically none of the other diseases grow exponentially like corona.

So no...it's a false equivalence.
 
Still better than Pharma Giants.
However, my emphasis was about unified research from one joint platform.

Private pharma firms discovered anti-viral drugs such as sofosbuvir, velpatasvir, amantadine, rimantadine, rimantadine etc. which are used to treat deadly diseases such as Hep C and AIDS. Rather than a huge unaccountable bureaucracy like the WHO, I would place my faith on the private sector.
 
Its an off-labelled use, but yes we're using them ( Kaletra ) in some selected cases based upon some case reports and we're also using IL-6 inhibitor tocilizumab in some severe cases. Again this all off labelled treatment, based upon some positive but limited data.

Again this is experimental treatment cannot be recommended for general use, should be decided by ID and intentivist of the hospital on individual basis.

Thanks for your reply. I believe the drugs that are part of the AIDS cocktail are already being mass produced in India at a low cost. Newer drugs like Remdesivir developed by Gilead Sciences may be too expensive and not available in sufficient quantities to be available in the poorer countries.
 
Thanks for your reply. I believe the drugs that are part of the AIDS cocktail are already being mass produced in India at a low cost. Newer drugs like Remdesivir developed by Gilead Sciences may be too expensive and not available in sufficient quantities to be available in the poorer countries.

Unfortunately Kaletra did not show much benefit in recent trials other than a case report and AIDS cocktail might not be helpful. Remdesivir is expected to be beneficial, and NIH running trial at a rapid speed. The first participant in the new trial is a US citizen repatriated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship that was quarantined in Yokohama, Japan. You're right it will be very expensive. Its not available yet , but we are expecting to get some on compassionate ground.
 
Unfortunately Kaletra did not show much benefit in recent trials other than a case report and AIDS cocktail might not be helpful. Remdesivir is expected to be beneficial, and NIH running trial at a rapid speed. The first participant in the new trial is a US citizen repatriated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship that was quarantined in Yokohama, Japan. You're right it will be very expensive. Its not available yet , but we are expecting to get some on compassionate ground.

Favipiravir is said to be promising too.

Ultimately i believe it will be a combination of drugs that will be used.
 
Private pharma firms discovered anti-viral drugs such as sofosbuvir, velpatasvir, amantadine, rimantadine, rimantadine etc. which are used to treat deadly diseases such as Hep C and AIDS. Rather than a huge unaccountable bureaucracy like the WHO, I would place my faith on the private sector.

Even after they increase prices by like 5000% or 10000% percent overnight sometimes?
 
Private pharma firms discovered anti-viral drugs such as sofosbuvir, velpatasvir, amantadine, rimantadine, rimantadine etc. which are used to treat deadly diseases such as Hep C and AIDS. Rather than a huge unaccountable bureaucracy like the WHO, I would place my faith on the private sector.

About 2-3 years ago I explained it in another thread that was about animals use in drug trials.

Price of Sofosbuvir brand Sovaldi was $1000/pill in USA and $1 in Egypt. Sovaldi was approved by FDA as a one pill therapy. At the same time high Price in USA was to defer Americans from using it. FDA approval was a tag to lure poor countries in using Sovaldi and Egypt case eventually was Human Trials.

Today Sovaldi is not approved as a single pill therapy.

My field is Hepatology. Of those who used it as a single pill for Hepatitis, in Pakistan, many many have developed Hepatocellular Carcinoma.

Dynamics of Pharma Industry are confusing. What I would recommend is to not going crazy for 'Magical New Pills'.
 
Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.

Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients.

“It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment,” Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.

Patients who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, compared with a median of 11 days for those who were not treated with the drug, public broadcaster NHK said.

In addition, X-rays confirmed improvements in lung condition in about 91% of the patients who were treated with favipiravir, compared to 62% or those without the drug.

Fujifilm Toyama Chemical, which developed the drug – also known as Avigan – in 2014, has declined to comment on the claims.

Shares in the firm surged on Wednesday following Zhang’s comments, closing the morning up 14.7% at 5,207 yen, having briefly hit their daily limit high of 5,238 yen.

Doctors in Japan are using the same drug in clinical studies on coronavirus patients with mild to moderate symptoms, hoping it will prevent the virus from multiplying in patients.

But a Japanese health ministry source suggested the drug was not as effective in people with more severe symptoms. “We’ve given Avigan to 70 to 80 people, but it doesn’t seem to work that well when the virus has already multiplied,” the source told the Mainichi Shimbun.

The same limitations had been identified in studies involving coronavirus patients using a combination of the HIV antiretrovirals lopinavir and ritonavir, the source added.

In 2016, the Japanese government supplied favipiravir as an emergency aid to counter the Ebola virus outbreak in Guinea.

Favipiravir would need government approval for full-scale use on Covid-19 patients, since it was originally intended to treat flu.

A health official told the Mainichi the drug could be approved as early as May. “But if the results of clinical research are delayed, approval could also be delayed.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china
 
About 2-3 years ago I explained it in another thread that was about animals use in drug trials.

Price of Sofosbuvir brand Sovaldi was $1000/pill in USA and $1 in Egypt. <b>Sovaldi was approved by FDA as a one pill therapy. At the same time high Price in USA was to defer Americans from using it. FDA approval was a tag to lure poor countries in using Sovaldi and Egypt case eventually was Human Trials.</b>

Today Sovaldi is not approved as a single pill therapy.

My field is Hepatology. Of those who used it as a single pill for Hepatitis, in Pakistan, many many have developed Hepatocellular Carcinoma.

Dynamics of Pharma Industry are confusing. What I would recommend is to not going crazy for 'Magical New Pills'.

That certainly is a new conspiracy theory.

Were the Egyptian prices low because they were importing the drug from India?

Due to the high cost of sofosbuvir in the United States, as of 2016 increasing numbers of Americans with hepatitis C were traveling to India to purchase it. Similarly, increasing numbers of Chinese were also traveling to India to purchase sofosbuvir, which had not yet been approved for sale in China by the country's State Food and Drug Administration (SFDA).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofosbuvir#Medical_tourism

"Magical New Pills" have now saved millions or maybe even a billion lives that would have otherwise been lost to AIDS.
 
Even after they increase prices by like 5000% or 10000% percent overnight sometimes?

Market capitalization of J&J is $335 billion and that of Gilead Sciences is $100 billion. So yes, the pharma firms make huge profits. They also create new drugs that are hugely beneficial. I agree that some sort of price control should be exercised by the government.
 
That certainly is a new conspiracy theory.

Were the Egyptian prices low because they were importing the drug from India?


"Magical New Pills" have now saved millions or maybe even a billion lives that would have otherwise been lost to AIDS.

Egyptian prices were for same brand. Sovaldi, of Gilead.

Someday we will discuss it in another thread. Here we will derail this thread.

Market capitalization of J&J is $335 billion and that of Gilead Sciences is $100 billion. So yes, the pharma firms make huge profits. They also create new drugs that are hugely beneficial. I agree that some sort of price control should be exercised by the government.

Agreed.
Actual cost of ingredients is very very less as compared to drug price. But Drug development is a very expensive project. Sometimes you spend 80-90% of allocated budget, only to find someone else developing the same drug before you.
 
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Moderna Inc. is the company which made the vaccine and started human testing already (which I think is wrong, should have tested on animals first). They are on Nasdaq stock exchange as MRNA and their share price is fluctuating a lot.

Another company which created the vaccine is Inovio Pharmeceuticals Inc. Their human trials will start in April (they are taking the proper route I think). They also are on Nasdaq stock exchange as INO and their share price is also fluctuating a lot.
 
Market capitalization of J&J is $335 billion and that of Gilead Sciences is $100 billion. So yes, the pharma firms make huge profits. They also create new drugs that are hugely beneficial. I agree that some sort of price control should be exercised by the government.

Did you know that in the US, the vast majority of the drug R&D cost is subsidized by the government, but these companies market themselves as if they do all the R&D and justify that as the reason for the highest cost?
 
Did you know that in the US, the vast majority of the drug R&D cost is subsidized by the government, but these companies market themselves as if they do all the R&D and justify that as the reason for the highest cost?

It is all part of the system. Universities where a lot of the initial research is done get grants from the NIH. That research is carried over to the private industry, either by universities licensing patents or faculty leaving their jobs to start firms. PhD students who go on to work for the firms are financed by grants etc.

So yes, the government finances a lot of the activity, and it gets back a lot in taxes too. It is not different from other hi-tech industries like defense, where the government simply pours in money. Government organizations are no better. NASA gave a contract to Boeing to build a SLS and that project has been consistently over budget.

Basically everything the Federal government touches becomes a boondoggle, but some boondoggles also produce great benefits.
 
A massive effort is under way to develop a UK vaccine for coronavirus within months and make it available to save lives before the end of the year, the Guardian has learned.

Researchers at Oxford University, led by Prof Sarah Gilbert, are planning a safety trial on humans of what is expected to be the UK’s first coronavirus vaccine next month. Provided that it goes smoothly, they will move directly into a larger trial to assess how effective the vaccine is at protecting against the infection.

The same vaccine will start animal trials next week at the Public Health England (PHE) laboratory at Porton Down near Salisbury. Normally, animal work must be completed before human trials can start, but because similar vaccines have worked safely in trials for other diseases, the work has been accelerated.

“We are conscious that a vaccine is needed as soon as possible and certainly by June–July, when we expect a big peak in mortality,” said Prof Adrian Hill, director of the Jenner Institute at Oxford.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/19/uk-drive-develop-coronavirus-vaccine-science
 
Chloroquine is a synthetic form of quinine, which has been used to treat malaria since the 1940s.

The drug has recently been used to treat coronavirus patients in China and in France, where some researchers said it showed great promise, though scientists agree that only more trials would determine if it really works and is safe.

The US is fast-tracking the anti-malarial drug for use as a treatment against the new virus, US President Donald Trump said on Thursday.

"We're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately, and that's where the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) has been so great," Trump told reporters.

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"They've gone through the approval process — it's been approved. They took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we're going to be able to make that drug available by prescription."

But the FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn later indicated that, while the drug has not yet been formally approved, access to it was being expanded so that authorities could gather more data.

This is known as "compassionate use".

"If there is an experimental drug that is potentially available, a doctor could ask for that drug to be used in a patient. We have criteria for that and very speedy approval for that," said Hahn.

"As an example, many Americans have read studies and heard media reports about this drug chloroquine, which is an anti-malarial drug.

"It's already approved, as the president said, for the treatment of malaria as well as an arthritis condition.

"That's a drug that the president directed us to take a closer look at, as to whether an expanded use approach to that could be done to actually see if that benefits patients."

Already in shortage, pharmacists say
The old malaria treatment, however, is in short supply as demand surges amid the fast-spreading outbreak.

The American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP), which maintains a list of drugs in shortage independent of the US Food and Drug Administration’s list, added the generic malaria drug chloroquine, or hydroxychloroquine, to its list on Thursday. Four out of eight manufacturers of the drug are currently in shortage, it said.

There are currently no vaccines or treatments approved for the disease, but researchers are studying existing treatments and working on experimental ones. At the moment, most patients can only receive supportive care.

Read: Coronavirus: How long before we have a vaccine?

Erin Fox, senior director of drug information at University of Utah Health, who maintains ASHP’s shortages list, said pharmacists are unable to get the drug or fill prescriptions in full.

Fox said that University of Utah’s 12 retail pharmacies are not filling prescriptions for prophylactic use, and are preserving their stocks for inpatient needs.

The FDA could not be reached for comment, but chloroquine is not currently on its drugs in shortage list.

Run on pharmacies
Fox and the FDA have been watching for drug shortages that could be due to supply chain issues with manufacturing in China and India. But surging demand in recent weeks is the issue with the malaria drug, which can also treat rheumatoid arthritis and lupus, according to online pharmacy, Honeybee Health.

Its co-Chief Executive Jessica Nouhavandi sent a letter to prescribers earlier this week, urging them to be aware of potential hoarding of the drug that could deprives those who really need it.

On Thursday, Nouhavandi said demand was its highest yet after Trump’s comments.

Jeff Bartone, who owns Hock’s Pharmacy in Vandalia, Ohio, said he purchased five bottles of hydroxychloroquine this morning, but within an hour the company that distributes it to his pharmacy had run out.

He said four backup prescription drug wholesalers were out of the drug as well.

Bartone said he does not typically stock large amounts of the drug because it is not widely prescribed.

Mylan NV, one of the manufacturers ASHP said was in shortage, said it was ramping up production of the drug and expects to be in a position to begin supplying it more broadly in mid-April.

It said with the raw materials on hand it can make 50 million tablets to potentially treat more than 1.5 million patients.

Bayer AG said it would donate 3 million tablets of Resochin, a closely related drug known generically as chloroquine phosphate. Chloroquine is also in shortage, according to the ASHP.

Online pharmacy Valisure said it too was unable to order any chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine as of Thursday from its four distributors.

Valisure Chief Executive David Light said other potential treatments are also becoming difficult to obtain.

“Kaletra and losartan are being rationed, meaning we are only allowed to order limited quantities at a time,” he said.

Kaletra, a combination HIV treatment and the generic blood pressure drug losartan, have been considered as potential treatments for the virus, although Chinese investigators reported this week that Kaletra failed to improve outcomes for seriously ill COVID-19 patients.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1542372/chloroquine-and-coronavirus-what-is-the-connection
 
Finding the cure may not be the real issue here, in about a year and half we are headed towards a 'super recession' if that happens a lot of people will lose their homes, jobs and lives.... Everyone it is best to not have any loans in a year and a half..
 
(CNN)The novel coronavirus presents an unprecedented challenge for scientists: The speed at which the virus spreads means they must accelerate their research.

But this is what the world's fastest supercomputer was built for.

Summit, IBM's supercomputer equipped with the "brain of AI," ran thousands of simulations to analyze which drug compounds might effectively stop the virus from infecting host cells.

The supercomputer identified 77 of them. It's a promising step toward creating the most effective vaccine.

Researchers at Oak Ridge National Laboratory published their findings in the journal ChemRxiv.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/19/us/fastest-supercomputer-coronavirus-scn-trnd/index.html
 
Pharmacies in Pakistan's major cities of Karachi and Lahore have run out of medicines having hydroxychloroquine phosphate, also known as cholroquine, it emerged on Friday, after news began circulating on social media that the drug was effective in treating patients who test positive for the novel coronavirus.

Several pharmacy chains in Karachi including Bin Hashim Pharmacy, Kausar Medicos, Nice Pharmacy and Newway Pharmacy confirmed they had run out of chloroquine drugs after a rush of customers in the past two days asking for either Plaquenil or Resochin – both of which are medicines available over the counter, include the said ingredient and are normally used to treat malaria.

“We are out of stock since yesterday,” said a sales person at Bin Hashim Pharmacy in the Federal B area of Karachi, when asked about the availability of Resochin – a drug manufactured by renowned pharma giant Bayer AG.

According to the salesman, there had been a surge in customers coming in to buy Resochin, which was being sold at Rs25 per packet (10 tablets) at the pharmacy before stocks ended. He said they were not selling Plaquenil at Bin Hashim.

A customer service employee at Kausar Medicos on Karachi's MA Jinnah road said they were out of both Resochin and Plaquenil.

In Lahore, renowned pharmacist Fazal Din and Sons were also out of stock. So was Mahmood Pharmacy in Defence Housing Authority.

Meanwhie, the Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan (DRAP) issued a notification earlier today, banning the sale of chloroquine medicines without prescription, while also directing that these be sold only by licensed pharmacies and drug stores.

The federal authority said it had received reports of hoarding of the said drugs by certain “elements”.

It also asked all pharmacies to maintain records of prescriptions of the said drugs and to note down the dosages prescribed by the physicians against which the medicines are sold.

When contacted, Sindh Health Department's media coordinator, Meeran Yousuf, said the issue of pharmacies running out of chloroquine medicines was brought to the government's notice today.

Advising against bulk buying and use of the medicine without consulting a doctor, Yousuf said there were side effects associated with the use of these drugs which could exacerbate existing health conditions in some patients.

She said the issue will be discussed during today's task force meeting of the Sindh virus response team, which is headed by Chief Minister Murad Ali Shah.

Does it really work?
The success of hydroxychloroquine in treating patients with the novel coronavirus is not completely unfounded. Recent studies have shown two drugs, remdesivir and chloroquine phosphate, efficiently inhibited the coronavirus in an experimental setting.

An article published on Feb 4, 2020 in the Cell Journal – a prestigious international journal in life sciences with a current Impact Factor of 17.848 – confirmed that both remdesivir and chloroquine had some success in treating the novel virus.

The research did emphasise that an overdose of chloroquine can cause acute poisoning and death.

A recent article, published on March 12 in the The Chinese Journal of Tuberculosis and Respiratory Diseases found that treating patients diagnosed as having the novel coronavirus pneumonia with chloroquine “might improve the success rate of treatment, shorten hospital stay and improve patient outcome”

After these findings, a group of researchers of the Department of Science and Technology in China's Guangdong Province in consultation with the province's health commission developed “expert consensus in recommending chloroquine phosphate tablet, 500mg twice per day for 10 days for patients diagnosed as mild, moderate and severe cases of novel coronavirus pneumonia”.

Meanwhile, the University of Minnesota said on March 17 it was launching a clinical trial to test hydroxychloroquine as a “post-exposure treatment for coronavirus COVID-19 disease” because “recent work shows that hydroxychloroquine is active in a laboratory setting against” the novel coronavirus.

The trial is designed to see if it translates into benefits for people, the university said.

On Thursday, United States President Donald Trump said the country is fast-tracking the drug for treating coronavirus.

During a White House press conference, Trump said: "[Chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine] has shown very encouraging early results [...] and we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately."

Umar, a resident of Karachi's Defence area, rushed to the nearest pharmacy at around midnight yesterday, hoping to get his hands on Plaquenil.

He said a close friend had forwarded him a message on WhatsApp, which said the anti-malarial medicine Plaquenil “effectively kills” coronavirus. “He [the friend] then called me and said ‘buy it now; people don’t know yet’,” Umar said.

But he was was disappointed when two pharmacies sent him back. They were out of stock.

“No one knew about Plaquenil till a couple of days ago,” a salesperson at a pharmacy in DHA's Seher Commercial area told him. “But so many have come to buy it in the last two days that we are out.”

Several reliable studies have noted that in the past years, due to infrequent utilisation of chloroquine in clinical practice, its production and market supply was greatly reduced in many countries, particularly in China. At least one pharmacy in Karachi's DHA said the medicine in question, Plaquenil, was low in supply for many years.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1542391/p...r-positive-outcome-of-covid-19-clinical-tests
 
Not sure about when vaccine/cure will be found but good news is that detection will become easier

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Korea finished developing the 10 minute Covid-19 diagnostic kit and is now ramping up production. They plan to export 300.000 test-kits per week - <a href="https://t.co/DpJCph9RT7">pic.twitter.com/DpJCph9RT7</a></p>— Florian Witulski (@vaitor) <a href="https://twitter.com/vaitor/status/1241337295606657033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Very happy, my first Covid-19 positive patients discharged from ICU and expected to be discharged to home on Monday. She was the only one of many who was not intubated ( did not need mechanical ventilation ) , she is also the youngest one ( 28 ).

We are treating her with Hydroxychlorquin, Intravenous Ascorbic acid ( Vit C) , zinc and Azithromycin.
 
Very happy, my first Covid-19 positive patients discharged from ICU and expected to be discharged to home on Monday. She was the only one of many who was not intubated ( did not need mechanical ventilation ) , she is also the youngest one ( 28 ).

We are treating her with Hydroxychlorquin, Intravenous Ascorbic acid ( Vit C) , zinc and Azithromycin.

Thank you for your service sir
 
Very happy, my first Covid-19 positive patients discharged from ICU and expected to be discharged to home on Monday. She was the only one of many who was not intubated ( did not need mechanical ventilation ) , she is also the youngest one ( 28 ).

We are treating her with Hydroxychlorquin, Intravenous Ascorbic acid ( Vit C) , zinc and Azithromycin.

So Hcqs plus zinc plus Azithromycin works.
 
Very happy, my first Covid-19 positive patients discharged from ICU and expected to be discharged to home on Monday. She was the only one of many who was not intubated ( did not need mechanical ventilation ) , she is also the youngest one ( 28 ).

We are treating her with Hydroxychlorquin, Intravenous Ascorbic acid ( Vit C) , zinc and Azithromycin.
Hi mate

Is Hydroxychlorquin the medication Trump said was being used as a Test agains COVID-19?

Looks like they were right
 
So Hcqs plus zinc plus Azithromycin works.

We hope so, our sample size is too small so far and most of the patients showing improvement are younger and with no PMH, not sure their own immunity or these medications making the difference, probably combination of both. I will be happier if our sicker and older patients start showing improvement.
 
^^ This combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin sounds promising albeit it's a very small sample so far and still needs subjecting to RCTs.

Good thing is that it's an already licensed drug, i.e. an off-the-shelf solution as opposed to waiting 12-18 months for either a new drug or a vaccine to be released.
 
Very happy, my first Covid-19 positive patients discharged from ICU and expected to be discharged to home on Monday. She was the only one of many who was not intubated ( did not need mechanical ventilation ) , she is also the youngest one ( 28 ).

We are treating her with Hydroxychlorquin, Intravenous Ascorbic acid ( Vit C) , zinc and Azithromycin.

Great work. Hope you are getting enough rest and will be ok going forward.
 
We hope so, our sample size is too small so far and most of the patients showing improvement are younger and with no PMH, not sure their own immunity or these medications making the difference, probably combination of both. I will be happier if our sicker and older patients start showing improvement.

Whats the sample size?

And will you be kind enough to keep the updates posted here?

Also what was the median time, from start of treatment to testing negative for Sars Cov 2?
 
Whats the sample size?

And will you be kind enough to keep the updates posted here?

Also what was the median time, from start of treatment to testing negative for Sars Cov 2?

Earliest trail which showed beneficial effect of hydroxychloquin had only 36 patients.

We did not repeat the test at the time of discharge. Pt was told to keep herself quarantine for 7 days if no fever or SOB developed , without the use of tylenol and her family for 14 days starting from their last contact with her.
 
New rapid Covid 19 test approved today, which will show the result in 45 minutes is the game changer we were waiting for , will be available to hospitals in a week.

I'm sure it will be a big help in "flattening the curve ".
 
Test - we've already made progress with the 45 minute kits. South Korea already has 7 minute test, so over the next few weeks, we'll be good on the testing front.

Cure/Vaccine - 6 months if I'm being very optimistic, 1 year realistically. The problem with whatever "cures" we have found so far using a mix of existing anti-virals is that they only seem to work in idiosyncratic cases. It will take months to come up with a formula that works broadly across the global population.
 
UK begins trial of HIV medicine, steroid as possible COVID-19 treatments

Scientists at Britain's Oxford University have started a clinical trial to investigate the effects of an HIV medicine and a steroid drug in UK patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 caused by the new coronavirus, Reuters reports.

The first patients have already been enrolled for the trial within the country's National Health Service, the researchers said on Monday.

It will test AbbVie's Kaletra — a combination of lopinavir and ritonavir which is normally used to treat the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) that causes AIDS — and the steroid dexamethasone, which is used to reduce inflammation in a wide range of conditions.

The researchers stressed that while it was possible some existing drugs such as these may be beneficial in the fight against COVID-19, there was no guarantee they would be.

https://www.dawn.com/live-blog/
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A great early result from a drug that will start tomorrow in New York and other places! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID%E3%83%BC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVIDー19</a> <a href="https://t.co/4F4Qk4WFtK">https://t.co/4F4Qk4WFtK</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242120391054757900?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A great early result from a drug that will start tomorrow in New York and other places! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID%E3%83%BC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVIDー19</a> <a href="https://t.co/4F4Qk4WFtK">https://t.co/4F4Qk4WFtK</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242120391054757900?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2020</a></blockquote>
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How many will be affected by Cardiac Arrthymias due to QT prolongation by HCQS? This is a dangerous thing to do.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A great early result from a drug that will start tomorrow in New York and other places! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID%E3%83%BC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVIDー19</a> <a href="https://t.co/4F4Qk4WFtK">https://t.co/4F4Qk4WFtK</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242120391054757900?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2020</a></blockquote>
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The chatter for chloroquine has been going around for a while.... I remember reading in Jan-Feb that the subsidairy of Bayer in Pakistan had transported 3 million tablets to China as it was seen to be showing good results.

In the link, the video they say Korea has used it successfully as well.

Indian doctors also recently announced that they saw good result with the drug.


If so many people are saying it then there might be some truth to the chatter.
 
How many will be affected by Cardiac Arrthymias due to QT prolongation by HCQS? This is a dangerous thing to do.

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Few weeks ago we were going no where. With HCQ we are at least moving forward.

Expect very much to counter LQTs with modified dosing, may be SR-doses.

At least we are moving forward.
 
The chatter for chloroquine has been going around for a while.... I remember reading in Jan-Feb that the subsidairy of Bayer in Pakistan had transported 3 million tablets to China as it was seen to be showing good results.

In the link, the video they say Korea has used it successfully as well.

Indian doctors also recently announced that they saw good result with the drug.


If so many people are saying it then there might be some truth to the chatter.

It's known for many many years that CHLOROQUINE blocks the entry of SOME VIRUSES into the cell.
 
The chatter for chloroquine has been going around for a while.... I remember reading in Jan-Feb that the subsidairy of Bayer in Pakistan had transported 3 million tablets to China as it was seen to be showing good results.

In the link, the video they say Korea has used it successfully as well.

Indian doctors also recently announced that they saw good result with the drug.


If so many people are saying it then there might be some truth to the chatter.

Few weeks ago we were going no where. With HCQ we are at least moving forward.

Expect very much to counter LQTs with modified dosing, may be SR-doses.

At least we are moving forward.

Indian ICMR today approved HCQS as prophylaxis to those who get exposed or treating Covid 19 patients.
 
Few weeks ago we were going no where. With HCQ we are at least moving forward.

Expect very much to counter LQTs with modified dosing, may be SR-doses.

At least we are moving forward.

A French trial says Azithromycin and HCQS used together showed good results.

Have to be very careful with the dosage here.

Hear that some cases in India have been treated with HCQS Azithromycin and Oseltemavir. Waiting for their results.
 
How many will be affected by Cardiac Arrthymias due to QT prolongation by HCQS? This is a dangerous thing to do.

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If we go by the mechanism how chlorquine slows the virus replication inside the cell ( by increasing PH ) , it requires much higher dose, but higher dose would increase the risk for prolonging QTC , particularly in combination with Azithromycin, so the current dose 400 mg twice first day and then 200 mg twice daily for 4 more days is a compromised dose but its quite safe at this dose, not 100 % safe but " reasonably" safe. In some young patients we use higher dose while monitoring QTC.
 
A French trial says Azithromycin and HCQS used together showed good results.

Have to be very careful with the dosage here.

Hear that some cases in India have been treated with HCQS Azithromycin and Oseltemavir. Waiting for their results.

Key is in diagnosing it early before viral load becomes too high.
 
If we go by the mechanism how chlorquine slows the virus replication inside the cell ( by increasing PH ) , it requires much higher dose, but higher dose would increase the risk for prolonging QTC , particularly in combination with Azithromycin, so the current dose 400 mg twice first day and then 200 mg twice daily for 4 more days is a compromised dose but its quite safe at this dose, not 100 % safe but " reasonably" safe. In some young patients we use higher dose while monitoring QTC.

This. But we don’t combine hydroxychloroquine with Azithromycin because of the risk of QT prolongation.
 
Indian ICMR today approved HCQS as prophylaxis to those who get exposed or treating Covid 19 patients.

From what i heard, Though no evidence based guidelines or clinical trials yet, there is no harm in taking Cq or HCq at recommended doses, especially for the risk groups. But should be made available only on prescription.

Have to watch out for drug interactions, as most individuals in the risk group may also be on medications like statins which should not be used along with HCQ or CQ due to high incidence of neural complications. Also switching from CQ to HCQ or combination with Azithromycin May result in cardiac complications.

We are going to see lots of cases of toxicity and adverse effects as the medicine is freely available in India. Hence caution is advised.

Tbh,The recommendation of the Task force seems to be more from desperation rather than solid evidences. We need more studies to recommend CQ or HCQ as prophylaxis for Covid 19 on a wide scale.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arizona man dies after ingesting chloroquine in an attempt to prevent coronavirus. <a href="https://t.co/BG4xyZnKFv">https://t.co/BG4xyZnKFv</a> <br><br>There are no drugs approved to try to prevent or treat the new coronavirus. Self-medicating to prevent the coronavirus can be dangerous and possibly deadly.</p>— NBC News (@NBCNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1242212084647104514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2020</a></blockquote>
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How many will be affected by Cardiac Arrthymias due to QT prolongation by HCQS? This is a dangerous thing to do.

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Depends on comorbidity and drug interaction. Very very dangerous drug . shold be prescribed where you have to the facility to look for QT prolongation regularly. If All things clear then not a bad choice but again would mot help much if prescribed after 48 hrs.
 
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From what i heard, Though no evidence based guidelines or clinical trials yet, there is no harm in taking Cq or HCq at recommended doses, especially for the risk groups. But should be made available only on prescription.

Have to watch out for drug interactions, as most individuals in the risk group may also be on medications like statins which should not be used along with HCQ or CQ due to high incidence of neural complications. Also switching from CQ to HCQ or combination with Azithromycin May result in cardiac complications.

We are going to see lots of cases of toxicity and adverse effects as the medicine is freely available in India. Hence caution is advised.

Tbh,The recommendation of the Task force seems to be more from desperation rather than solid evidences. We need more studies to recommend CQ or HCQ as prophylaxis for Covid 19 on a wide scale.
Just to share an internal thing from my hospital, My supervisor told us to prescribe it off the record as it not FDA approved and we can face legal problems if something goes against us.
 
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