Russia Leaves India Stunned By Backing 2000 Km China-Pakistan Business Corridor

[Abdullah719]

Russia's nebulous public position on its growing ties with Pakistan continues to give sleepless nights to Indian policymakers who have sought to isolate Islamabad on the issue of terrorism. After it officially denied reports that it had shown any interest in China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), Moscow has not just declared strong support for the China-funded project but also announced its intention to link its own Eurasian Economic Union project with CPEC.

CPEC, which will link Gwadar in Pakistan's restive Balochistan province to Xinjiang in China, remains a major bugbear for Indian foreign policy as it passes through the Gilgit-Baltistan region in Pakistan administered Kashmir claimed by India. Beijing has shown scant regard for India's concerns despite PM Narendra Modi himself having taken up the issue of Chinese involvement in the disputed territory with President Xi Jinping.

Moscow last month emphatically denied Pakistan media reports that it was looking to involve itself in CPEC by acquiring access to the port built by China at Gwadar . Russia's ambassador to Pakistan Alexey Y Dedov has now been quoted as saying that Russia and Pakistan have held discussions to merge Moscow's Eurasian Economic Union project with the CPEC.

Dedov said Russia "strongly" supported CPEC as it was important for Pakistan's economy and also regional connectivity.

The mixed signals emanating from Moscow, as strategic affairs expert Brahma Chellaney said, are injecting uncertainty in the direction of the Russia-India relationship whose trajectory long epitomized constancy and stability.

"It is as if Moscow no longer sees India as a reliable friend or partner. Indeed, by seeking common cause with India's regional adversaries — including by supporting the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor through internationally disputed territory and engaging with the Pakistan-backed Taliban — Russia is challenging India's core interests," said Chellaney.

India continues to officially maintain that it doesn't see any "downward trend" in relations with Russia even as it works behind the scenes to convince Moscow that Pakistan remained the fountainhead of terrorism in the region.

For India though, Russia further queered the situation in Afghanistan by declaring that it regarded Afghan Taliban as a national military-political movement. Russia is looking to engage the Taliban apparently to defeat IS but, as the MEA spokesperson warned last week, India wants any engagement with Taliban to respect the internationally recognized red lines, including giving up violence and severing ties with al-Qaida.

The comments made by Dedov are only the latest in a series of Russian doublespeak on Pakistan this year. As it officially conveyed to Moscow, India was disturbed by Russia's decision to hold its first ever joint military exercise with Pakistan days after Uri terror strike which left 19 Indian soldiers dead. The Russians justified it by saying that the exercise was meant to help Pakistan deal with terrorism.

At the Brics Goa summit in October, Russia chose not to help India publicly name Pakistan based terrorist outfits like Lashkar and Jaish in the official declaration in the face of Chinese resistance.

Russia continues to insist that its ties with Pakistan will not come at India's cost. Asked about the Russia-Pakistan military exercise though, at the recent Heart of Asia conference, Russia's presidential envoy to Pakistan Zamir Kabulov said Moscow didn't complain about India's close cooperation with the US and so India also shouldn't complain about "much low level" of cooperation between Russia and Pakistan. India may or may not complain, but it's certainly watching with eyes wide open.

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/indi...-china-pakistan-business-corridor-267711.html

 

[Slog]

More isolation

 

[Syed1]

Har din yeh isolation dekh ke mera dil buhat dhukta hai

 

[MenInG]

love the "restive" with Baluchistan!

 

[endymion248]

Russia continues to insist that its ties with Pakistan will not come at India's cost. Asked about the Russia-Pakistan military exercise though, at the recent Heart of Asia conference, Russia's presidential envoy to Pakistan Zamir Kabulov said Moscow didn't complain about India's close cooperation with the US and so India also shouldn't complain about "much low level" of cooperation between Russia and Pakistan. India may or may not complain, but it's certainly watching with eyes wide open.

Kawa chala hans ki chaal, apni bhi bhool gaya. Sadly for India, not everyone can balance relationships with the US, China and Russia like Pakistan does.

 

[troodon]

Russia is not a pet dog of any country. They will do whatever benefits their country.

Same with India. We have great relations with Myanmar which is pretty close ally of China.

There is no real friend in Geo politics.

 

[endymion248]

Russia is not a pet dog of any country. They will do whatever benefits their country.

Same with India. We have great relations with Myanmar which is pretty close ally of China.

There is no real friend in Geo politics.

But it seems there are real enemies when you see that India is so threatened by a prosperous Pakistan.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ind is desperate to be sitting at the big boys table but always getting the smallest chair.

 

[Syed1]

But it seems there are real enemies when you see that India is so threatened by a prosperous Pakistan.

Threatened?

They are crying hoarse that it is never going to happen.

 

[troodon]

But it seems there are real enemies when you see that India is so threatened by a prosperous Pakistan.

Just like China does not want to see a prospering India.

 

[troodon]

Countries do not want to see a prospering country in their neighborhood which can challenge their might.

This is the reason why China always tries to sabotage India's attempts to get into the big boys league.

What China does to India is what India does with Pakistan.

 

[HussainRx8]

I'm not sure why Indian policymakers are caught off-guard by this. They can't have close ties to the US without having their ties to Russia downgraded.

 

[petercat]

Russia: Hours after Russia’s envoy to Islamabad Alexey Y Dedov was quoted by Radio Pakistan as saying that “Russia strongly supports the China Pakistan Economic Corridor” the Russian Embassy in Islamabad has urged the media not to make its own conclusions and treat the report carefully.

Speaking to CNN-News18, the embassy’s press attaché Vyacheslav Sentyurin said, “There is no question of joining or investing in the CPEC corridor. We are not going to be a part of it, but we have our own projects which we could connect to it. These ideas are not new and the media has made its own conclusions. We don’t hide such things from India”.

Sentyurin said the press should refer to the Russian Foreign Ministry’s recent statement which said, “Pakistani media reports about secret negotiations between Russia and Pakistan on the implementation of projects as part of CPEC are not true to facts and that Moscow is not discussing the possibility of joining this project with Islamabad”.

While reports quoted the Russian Envoy as saying that Russia was thinking about merging the Eurasian Economic Corridor with CPEC, the embassy clarified that “in the interview with the ambassador it was the merging of the EAEU with Chinese project of Silk Road Belt that was under discussion. Recognising the importance of CPEC for Pakistan’s economy and regional connectivity, the ambassador made it clear that Russia doesn’t participate in it being engaged in realisation of its own large-scale bilateral project with Pakistan – that of “North-South” gas pipeline from Karachi to Lahore”.

Despite the clarification, recent developments have left Indian diplomats and foreign policy experts worried. After all, despite protests from India after the Uri attack Russia went ahead with army and navy drills with Pakistan and has been engaging with the Taliban as well. In fact on the 27th of this month Russia, Pakistan and China will be holding the next round of three way talks on counter terrorism in Afghanistan.

Strategic Affairs Expert Brahma Chellaney says, “India ought to be worried because India and Russia relations have always been stable and now there is an element of uncertainty. Recent developments seen together indicate that Moscow is signalling things which are not in conformity with India’s key interests”. Chellaney also said that the fact that China, Pakistan and Russia are engaging on Taliban shows that something fundamental is happening and India is being isolated as a result.

However, India’s former ambassador to Russia, PS Raghavan said, “There is no rethink on ties with India. In fact results of the recently concluded Indo-Russia summit were far better than expected”. Raghavan feels that Pakistani media reports tend to be exaggerated and the Russian foreign ministry’s statement denying involvement in CPEC is the most authoritative so far. The former envoy also stressed on the importance of President Putin’s recent speech in the Russian Parliament on foreign policy where he referred only to USA, China and India and spoke about the special and privileged strategic partnership with India.

The Indian foreign ministry has refused to comment on Ambassador Dedov’s statements but, sources say government officials are closely following Moscow’s statements on Pakistan.

http://www.news18.com/news/world/ru...china-pakistan-economic-corridor-1324977.html

Russia has again denied.Second time in a month Pakistani media claimed something about Russia and CPEC and second time Russia has come out and denied it.

Pakistan media doesnt understand that Russia and India has billions of dollars of investments in each others countries and lots of them strategic investments.The Russia-India relation isnt a zero sum game like the India-Pakistan relation.

The Indian govt didnt even see it fit to comment on this speculation by Pakistani media.

 

[Thivagar]

This has 0 impact on India.

 

[HussainRx8]

http://www.news18.com/news/world/ru...china-pakistan-economic-corridor-1324977.html

Russia has again denied.Second time in a month Pakistani media claimed something about Russia and CPEC and second time Russia has come out and denied it.

Pakistan media doesnt understand that Russia and India has billions of dollars of investments in each others countries and lots of them strategic investments.The Russia-India relation isnt a zero sum game like the India-Pakistan relation.

The Indian govt didnt even see it fit to comment on this speculation by Pakistani media.

Your analysis is shockingly naive. Yes, it is a zero-sum game once you include the US. We're NOT living in a two-dimensional world. Even game theory models come in multiple dimensions.

You will know in the near future as Russia continues to inch towards Pakistan.

 

[endymion248]

http://www.news18.com/news/world/ru...china-pakistan-economic-corridor-1324977.html

Russia has again denied.Second time in a month Pakistani media claimed something about Russia and CPEC and second time Russia has come out and denied it.

Pakistan media doesnt understand that Russia and India has billions of dollars of investments in each others countries and lots of them strategic investments.The Russia-India relation isnt a zero sum game like the India-Pakistan relation.

The Indian govt didnt even see it fit to comment on this speculation by Pakistani media.

Russia will only help CPEC succeeding by linking up to it in Kashgar. It has no link to CPEC as such. *wink* *wink*

Does Russia really think Indians are such big lalloos that they can play games with it?

 

[petercat]

Your analysis is shockingly naive. Yes, it is a zero-sum game once you include the US. We're NOT living in a two-dimensional world. Even game theory models come in multiple dimensions.

You will know in the near future as Russia continues to inch towards Pakistan.

It is not.India has always had relations with NATO countries including US.India has never been a cold war treaty nation of either the Soviets or the US. The Russian President and the Indian PM reiterated the fact in Goa in October this year that relations with any other country will not be at the cost of Indo-Russian relations.Russians specifically mentioned Pakistan in one of the statements.

The Russians just invested 13bn USD in India and India ordered nuclear reactors,Nuclear Subs,S-400 ABM systems from Russia.

India was the only major country which didnot criticise the crimean annexation despite US urgings.India and Russia are both very aware about how to balance the relations so that the interests of others are not harmed.

 

[petercat]

Russia will only help CPEC succeeding by linking up to it in Kashgar. It has no link to CPEC as such. *wink* *wink*

Does Russia really think Indians are such big lalloos that they can play games with it?

Russia may only join the Silk Road and that has been in discussion for a long long period.Since the time the talk of OBOR started.

Everything isnt about Pakistan sir.

 

[endymion248]

Russia may only join the Silk Road and that has been in discussion for a long long period.Since the time the talk of OBOR started.

Everything isnt about Pakistan sir.

It seems Indians are actually that naive. Or maybe they have their heads in sand.

Joining CPEC or joining Silk Road is in effect the same thing. Russia doesn't have any border with Pakistan, neither do central asian nations. Saying ''we are going to join CPEC'' or ''We are going to link up with Kashgar'' is the same thing. And it has the same effect for India if it wants to see CPEC fail: diplomatic failure for India.

 

[enkidu_]

The single worst decision for Pakistan (or its crypto feudal bourgeoisie and reactionary military) was to have antagonized the Soviet union for the Great Satan, and accelerating its demise in neighbouring Afghanistan, as Brzezinski openly says that, even years before the war, the whole American plan was to trigger a Soviet invasion just to get rid off the main rival - because the power balance drastically deceased, the US had a free hand in showering its imperialism on the much prized Eurasian mass-lands (invasion of Afghanistan), a dream the "American empire" has continued where the British empire, with geopolitician Mackinder's Heartland theory, failed. The bogus Afghan jihad didn't only had long term toxic effects on Pakistan's economic policies and cultural ethos, but blocked its full geopolitical intensive expansion, which is the most tragic.

Now Pakistan should redeem itself to further cement its alliance with China - its core leader Xi Jinping's New Silk Road and OBOR projects are literally providential -, but also Russia, Iran and Japan - that's the future.

 

[HussainRx8]

It is not.India has always had relations with NATO countries including US.India has never been a cold war treaty nation of either the Soviets or the US. The Russian President and the Indian PM reiterated the fact in Goa in October this year that relations with any other country will not be at the cost of Indo-Russian relations.Russians specifically mentioned Pakistan in one of the statements.

The Russians just invested 13bn USD in India and India ordered nuclear reactors,Nuclear Subs,S-400 ABM systems from Russia.

India was the only major country which didnot criticise the crimean annexation despite US urgings.India and Russia are both very aware about how to balance the relations so that the interests of others are not harmed.

No one is proposing that Russia will have adversarial relations with India. But the rapproachment between Russia and Pakistan is underway and it is more than obvious. It is acknowledged by every major foreign policy/ IR publication. Nowadays it doesn't take long for the strategic calculus to shift.

Russia has also significantly improved its relations with China. It is building relations with the Taliban. So, clearly India doesn't have the same leverage it had over Russia a decade ago. Russia can't be used against Pakistan anymore.

From Pakistan's perspective, it is a significant net positive. We have turned Russia from an adversary to a country whom we have growing economic and defense ties. Thanks to India, in part.

 

[Syed1]

http://www.news18.com/news/world/ru...china-pakistan-economic-corridor-1324977.html

Russia has again denied.Second time in a month Pakistani media claimed something about Russia and CPEC and second time Russia has come out and denied it.

Pakistan media doesnt understand that Russia and India has billions of dollars of investments in each others countries and lots of them strategic investments.The Russia-India relation isnt a zero sum game like the India-Pakistan relation.

The Indian govt didnt even see it fit to comment on this speculation by Pakistani media.

Actually this news story is carried by the Times of India which is not a Pakistani media organization.

So before making a fool out of yourself atleast abreast yourself of all the facts

 

[90MPH]

There is no doubt Modi is not happy about this project because he's already conveyed his "concerns" several times to the Chinese PM.

Anyway I have no doubt Russia will be interested but ultimately and most importantly I hope this project brings the benefits to Pakistan that is being promised.

 

[petercat]

Actually this news story is carried by the Times of India which is not a Pakistani media organization.

So before making a fool out of yourself atleast abreast yourself of all the facts

Before calling others fools its better to follow your own advise and abreast yourself with the facts.The story was originally from Radio Pakistan which was then reported by TOI.

 

[petercat]

No one is proposing that Russia will have adversarial relations with India. But the rapproachment between Russia and Pakistan is underway and it is more than obvious. It is acknowledged by every major foreign policy/ IR publication. Nowadays it doesn't take long for the strategic calculus to shift.

Russia has also significantly improved its relations with China. It is building relations with the Taliban. So, clearly India doesn't have the same leverage it had over Russia a decade ago. Russia can't be used against Pakistan anymore.

From Pakistan's perspective, it is a significant net positive. We have turned Russia from an adversary to a country whom we have growing economic and defense ties. Thanks to India, in part.

Russia and China has always had strong relations.A large percentage of Chinese military hardware is from Russia.There is nothing new in it.

Russia also used to supply military equipment to Pakistan,if you see history of PAF they have flown Antonovs,Illushins and MI 17s in the past.So this sale of non lethal hardware is not new either.Only the media attention is new.

Its a Pakistani propoganda that Russia is now a Pakistani ally and they are trying hard to sell a Pakistan-Russia-China axis which doesnot exists.

The Russians in last 6 months or so have thrice denied Pakistani claims of joining CPEC and the sale or even negotiation of sale of SU 35.

 

[petercat]

It seems Indians are actually that naive. Or maybe they have their heads in sand.

Joining CPEC or joining Silk Road is in effect the same thing. Russia doesn't have any border with Pakistan, neither do central asian nations. Saying ''we are going to join CPEC'' or ''We are going to link up with Kashgar'' is the same thing. And it has the same effect for India if it wants to see CPEC fail: diplomatic failure for India.

Joining Silk Road and Joining CPEC isnt the same.JUst like trading with China and trading with Pakistan isnt the same,unless you believe Pakistan is a colony of China.

 

[endymion248]

Joining Silk Road and Joining CPEC isnt the same.JUst like trading with China and trading with Pakistan isnt the same,unless you believe Pakistan is a colony of China.

Of course it's the same. Pakistan and Russia don't share a border. Anything imported by land to Russia from Pakistan must go through China first.

 

[PakLFC]

Why would Russia side with India, unconditionally? India is not the big daddy of the sub continent as it seems to think. Russia will not side by India to please them over the Kashmir crises or Indo-Pak exchange of fire at the LOC. The cold war is over, welcome to reality. The American's are right in saying that there are no permanent friends but only permanent interests. China, Pakistan and Russia have many similar interests, India is on the wrong side of history here. It's East versus West!

 

[HussainRx8]

Russia and China has always had strong relations.A large percentage of Chinese military hardware is from Russia.There is nothing new in it.

Russia also used to supply military equipment to Pakistan,if you see history of PAF they have flown Antonovs,Illushins and MI 17s in the past.So this sale of non lethal hardware is not new either.Only the media attention is new.

Its a Pakistani propoganda that Russia is now a Pakistani ally and they are trying hard to sell a Pakistan-Russia-China axis which doesnot exists.

The Russians in last 6 months or so have thrice denied Pakistani claims of joining CPEC and the sale or even negotiation of sale of SU 35.

Can't argue with someone if they keeps sticking his head in the sand. You can't possibly believe that Pakistan is putting out this voluntarily and without substantiation. As I mentioned, Russia's relations with China have IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY in the previous decade. No one is denying that they didn't have good relations before. Also, as covered by every major foreign policy publication, there are obvious signs of Russia-Pakistan rapproachment.

 

[HussainRx8]

An excerpt from the preeminent Eurasia Review by an Indian national security expert. Eurasia Review is a journal published by the Eurasia Group.

Russia used to be the traditional counterweight to the ‘China Threat’ and ‘Pakistan Threat’ to India. But with Russia not even pretending to be neutral between China and India after having moved into China’s orbit, and under Chinese influence Russia openly allying with Pakistan, India is left with no strategic counterweight to the dual China-Pakistan Axis Threats, but for the United States and its allies.

Russia has in the last two years has openly reversed its strategic preferences in South Asia by openly siding with Pakistan on issues like the Afghan Taliban to furtherance of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

India’s foreign policy challenge is 2017 is to devise diplomatic initiatives to offset Russia’s tilt to Pakistan and creating a complex strategic challenge for India in South Asia. In short Russia’s present moves in South Asia can no longer be viewed as India-friendly. India must forthwith reset its Russia-policy.

http://www.eurasiareview.com/20122016-indias-foreign-policy-challenges-for-2017-analysis/

So, I will side with the expert analysis here, over armchair, amateur analysis.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russia will still deal with India in a large scale when it's making money, why wouldn't it.

The geo-politics have changed, there is no denying this. India chose to get close to America which is why Russia moved to start ties with Pakistan. It was a very stupid move by India, the Americans don't care for them and it has only caused India to weaken it's partnership with Russia while Pakistan have benefited.

 

[petercat]

An excerpt from the preeminent Eurasia Review by an Indian national security expert. Eurasia Review is a journal published by the Eurasia Group.



So, I will side with the expert analysis here, over armchair, amateur analysis.

Dr.Kapila is a well known expert,there is no doubt.But Dr.Kapila has always been a advocate of India'sstronger relation with US and NATO.There is no doubt that what he writes about South Asia has a lot of credibility,but what he says about India's relation with US and Russia isnt very unbiased.

 

[petercat]

Can't argue with someone if they keeps sticking his head in the sand. You can't possibly believe that Pakistan is putting out this voluntarily and without substantiation. As I mentioned, Russia's relations with China have IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY in the previous decade. No one is denying that they didn't have good relations before. Also, as covered by every major foreign policy publication, there are obvious signs of Russia-Pakistan rapproachment.

Ofcourse Pakistan is putting this out for public consumtion so that Pakistanis like many on PP believe that Pakistan has support from China and Russia,when relations with US have gone downhill.Everytime Pakistan has made a statement of Russian support,Russia has officially come out and denied it.Putin and Russians dont mince words.

Pakistan and Russia had cordial relations before the Afghan war and at the start of the last decade relations again became cordial as evidenced by use of Russian non lethal military equipment by Pakistan.

Sir,Russia and China have always had very good relations,except for the time of the Sino-Soviet split.Most of Chinese military hardware is either Russian or copied from it.

 

[petercat]

Of course it's the same. Pakistan and Russia don't share a border. Anything imported by land to Russia from Pakistan must go through China first.

So what does Russia imports from Pakistan??

Why will Russia take the longer route via CPEC and China and not use the shorter NTSC through Iran?

 

[Romali_rotti]

I don't know why Indians would be shocked at this move, India just signed a major defence pact with the US making them practically allies. What do you expect the Russians to do ? sit there and say WELL DONE to India ............

 

[Varun]

Russia leaning toward Pakistan of late is surely troubling signs for our establishment. Better right the course in quick time or else our Vodka supplier will bid a permanent farewell sooner rather than later!

 

[petercat]

I don't know why Indians would be shocked at this move, India just signed a major defence pact with the US making them practically allies. What do you expect the Russians to do ? sit there and say WELL DONE to India ............

Russia leaning toward Pakistan of late is surely troubling signs for our establishment. Better right the course in quick time or else our Vodka supplier will bid a permanent farewell sooner rather than later!

please read post 13.Russia has already denied this.#3rd time in 6 months that Russia has officially denied Pak claims.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The Russians in last 6 months or so have thrice denied Pakistani claims of joining CPEC and the sale or even negotiation of sale of SU 35.

The sale of SU-35 I doubt will happen, Pakistan doesnt have the money, Russians wont just give you weapons on line of credit or anything like the US. If you dont give them the money, you get NOTHING from them..

 

[Romali_rotti]

Russia leaning toward Pakistan of late is surely troubling signs for our establishment. Better right the course in quick time or else our Vodka supplier will bid a permanent farewell sooner rather than later!

No they wont, Pakistan has no money, you think Russians will just drop India and the billions of defense deals for a practically bankrupt Pakistan ? Not gonna happen, India Russia relations will always be stable, it will have its hiccups but they will always be closely connected to each other.

 

[endymion248]

So what does Russia imports from Pakistan??

Why will Russia take the longer route via CPEC and China and not use the shorter NTSC through Iran?

Because CPEC will have better infrastructure thus shorter travel times.

What does Russia import from Pakistan? The possibilities are infinite, Russia doesn't have any deep water port that doesn't freeze.

 

[petercat]

Because CPEC will have better infrastructure thus shorter travel times.

What does Russia import from Pakistan? The possibilities are infinite, Russia doesn't have any deep water port that doesn't freeze.

I suggest you have a look at geography before suggesting all this.The western border of China and Russia is very small and have no infrastructure at all.The terrain is very tough.All the transport infrastructure is on the eastern side.So no Russia has no advantage importing through Pakistan,instead of through NSTC which is already functional.

Russia has 3 all the year round ports,Sevastopol,Novorossiysk and Vladivostok.This propoganda that Russia needs ports from Pakistan was used by PA in 1980s to muster support for Afghan war.Its a lie.

Even if it was true why will Russia not import from the Chinese ports on the Eastern side and use the 3 existing transport corridors?Why will it not use the Iranian ports and import via NSTC?The NSTC is already up and running and is in Russia's sphere of influence.

 

[petercat]

The sale of SU-35 I doubt will happen, Pakistan doesnt have the money, Russians wont just give you weapons on line of credit or anything like the US. If you dont give them the money, you get NOTHING from them..

There was no discussion at all.It was a propoganda fed by Pakistanis to show that Russia is with Pakistan.The Russians outrightly denied that such an offer even exists.

 

[endymion248]

I suggest you have a look at geography before suggesting all this.The western border of China and Russia is very small and have no infrastructure at all.The terrain is very tough.All the transport infrastructure is on the eastern side.So no Russia has no advantage importing through Pakistan,instead of through NSTC which is already functional.

Russia has 3 all the year round ports,Sevastopol,Novorossiysk and Vladivostok.This propoganda that Russia needs ports from Pakistan was used by PA in 1980s to muster support for Afghan war.Its a lie.

Even if it was true why will Russia not import from the Chinese ports on the Eastern side and use the 3 existing transport corridors?Why will it not use the Iranian ports and import via NSTC?The NSTC is already up and running and is in Russia's sphere of influence.

That's the whole point here, China is building that infrastructure through one belt one road and CPEC. NSTC can't compare with China's infrastructure.

Sevastopol is not a russian port and it can be blocked by NATO. Vladivostok and Novorossyisk within freezing waters.

 

[petercat]

That's the whole point here, China is building that infrastructure through one belt one road and CPEC. NSTC can't compare with China's infrastructure.

Sevastopol is not a russian port and it can be blocked by NATO. Vladivostok and Novorossyisk within freezing waters.

Sevastopol is a Russian Port after Russia annexed Crimea.Its the home of Russian Baltic fleet good luck to NATO for even trying to block it.

Both Vladivostok and Novorossiysk are used round the year.

If NATO comes to blocking Russian ports you believe Gwadar and Pakistan has a chance of defying them?

The OBOR doesnt pass through the Western border of Russia,it uses the Eastern side.

Why will Russia use Gwadar to import anything and not use the Chinese ports on Eastern side?Any reason?

The NSTC is a Russian venture and it is already functioning.It is shorter and safer and lies within Russian sphere of influence.

 

[endymion248]

Sevastopol is a Russian Port after Russia annexed Crimea.Its the home of Russian Baltic fleet good luck to NATO for even trying to block it.

Both Vladivostok and Novorossiysk are used round the year.

If NATO comes to blocking Russian ports you believe Gwadar and Pakistan has a chance of defying them?

The OBOR doesnt pass through the Western border of Russia,it uses the Eastern side.

Why will Russia use Gwadar to import anything and not use the Chinese ports on Eastern side?Any reason?

The NSTC is a Russian venture and it is already functioning.It is shorter and safer and lies within Russian sphere of influence.

1) Crimea belongs to Ukraine.

2) NATO controls the Bosphorus, they are within their rights to block Sevastopol and there is zilch Russia can do about it.

3) Because eastern side of China is farther from Russia's populations, the same as Vladivostok.

4) How is it functioning? What's the volume?

 

[Saeed]

They might be stunned but not a big deal. Russian military hardware is a joke, just look at their only aircraft. They have already lost 2 jets to Mediterranean sea because arresting gear of carrier doesn't work. India will benefit a lot by allying with civilized world. Western technology is superior to Russian technology in every shape and form.

 

[JaDed]

The only constant in the world is "change" ,tbf to Russians we have been getting way to close to Western countries for their comfort ,Russia needs to do what is best for it/her.

Changing world order is a reality and everyone needs to play their cards right.

 

[petercat]

1) Crimea belongs to Ukraine.

2) NATO controls the Bosphorus, they are within their rights to block Sevastopol and there is zilch Russia can do about it.

3) Because eastern side of China is farther from Russia's populations, the same as Vladivostok.

4) How is it functioning? What's the volume?

1.Crimea is under Russian control and not Ukraine.

2.NATO will bock sevastopol?LOL.They will need to declare war on Russia for that,something they didnt dare even during the cold war.No one is going to block Sevastopol.If NATO indeed blocks Sevastopol,then they will block Gwadar as well.

3.The Western side has no infrastructure and none is planeed.The Russians are using their own ports and the NSTC for imports into western side and the NSTC is a much secured and shorter route and controlled by Russians.

4.It started functioning in December this year.Exact volumes will in known in sometime.

 

[CricFan007]

All people shouting about Russia going closer to Pakistan and China due to India's new love for USA...how about starting next month when new Secretary of State name Mr. REX will step in between India and USA and Russia relationship equation...

I think Mr. Rex will tilt everything back to normal and better between India, USA and Russia....

So much talking without looking at what is next chapter we are going to have very soon....

Enjoy this false hype...USA, Russia, India & Japan will team up big time against Pakistan big daddy China in next 4 years...

 

[Syed1]

All people shouting about Russia going closer to Pakistan and China due to India's new love for USA...how about starting next month when new Secretary of State name Mr. REX will step in between India and USA and Russia relationship equation...

I think Mr. Rex will tilt everything back to normal and better between India, USA and Russia....

So much talking without looking at what is next chapter we are going to have very soon....

Enjoy this false hype...USA, Russia, India & Japan will team up big time against Pakistan big daddy China in next 4 years...

US and Russia in same team?!?!

heheh good luck

 

[Lonewarrior]

All people shouting about Russia going closer to Pakistan and China due to India's new love for USA...how about starting next month when new Secretary of State name Mr. REX will step in between India and USA and Russia relationship equation...

I think Mr. Rex will tilt everything back to normal and better between India, USA and Russia....

So much talking without looking at what is next chapter we are going to have very soon....

Enjoy this false hype...USA, Russia, India & Japan will team up big time against Pakistan big daddy China in next 4 years ...

Amazing analysis, ok. why Russia wants to go against China ? explain this to me .....

 

[JaDed]

All people shouting about Russia going closer to Pakistan and China due to India's new love for USA...how about starting next month when new Secretary of State name Mr. REX will step in between India and USA and Russia relationship equation...

I think Mr. Rex will tilt everything back to normal and better between India, USA and Russia....

So much talking without looking at what is next chapter we are going to have very soon....

Enjoy this false hype...USA, Russia, India & Japan will team up big time against Pakistan big daddy China in next 4 years...

Its not High School lunch table issue.

 

[petercat]

Amazing analysis, ok. why Russia wants to go against China ? explain this to me .....

Go through history.Russia doesnt ever play second fiddle to anyone.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Go through history.Russia doesnt ever play second fiddle to anyone.

ok. so russia will play the role of second fiddle with US, Japan , India and go agaisnt china ..... thanks for the analysis....

 

[petercat]

ok. so russia will play the role of second fiddle with US, Japan , India and go agaisnt china ..... thanks for the analysis....

When did i say they will play second fiddle to anyone?Russia doesnt play second fiddle to anyone neither does it like any country encroaching on its sphere of influence.China is encroaching there and Russia is sticking with only because of Western sanctions.

Russia has already fought a war with China in past.