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Russian Navy exercises off the Irish coast

Russia will gobble Ireland up like I do a biryani!:kakmal Putin seems to be in a mood for a fight. I think he could be miscalculating the western response here.
 
PakLFC said:
Russia will gobble Ireland up like I do a biryani!:kakmal Putin seems to be in a mood for a fight. I think he could be miscalculating the western response here.
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Well Ireland is in a favourable position geographically, sheltered behind UK and most NATO states. This allows them to have a neutral stance.

He’s doing his usual, poking other governments in the chest to see what he can get away with.
 
Isn't the protection of Irish airspace and waters the responsibility of the UK.
 
Robert said:
Well Ireland is in a favourable position geographically, sheltered behind UK and most NATO states. This allows them to have a neutral stance.

He’s doing his usual, poking other governments in the chest to see what he can get away with.
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Will be sanctioned big time for sure. I think China is behind Russia here pulling the strings:kakmal.
 
Robert said:
https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-...acks-military-muscle-to-do-much-else-12524294

Not illegal, just aggressive and provocative.

Unfortunately the Irish are not NATO members, and only have three offshore patrol vessels and some unarmed aircraft, so lack the capacity to warn the Russians off.
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Russia has no issues with Ireland.

You call it aggressive and proavacative yet are all for arming Nazis in Ukraine and placing missiles next to Russian border? Are you suggesting its ok for Nato and the west to terrorise the world but nobody else can have the right to protect themselves from this terrorism?
 
When USA/UK navies go around the world they spread ©Democracy and Freedom™...

The UK/USA bombs liberate the oppressed all around the world...
 
KingKhanWC said:
Its crazy some feel the Nato UK/US policies of the good guys.

Check out these idiots, sailing in Russian waters, acting tough but as soon as Russia fires, the crew is trembling lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLPYAKL-f2M&t=13s
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The captain had that iconic thousand yard stare :))

Jokes aside, I don't blame them. It would be absurd to die for Zionist cause and for a few thousand £s...

The whole ordeal reminds me of the movie https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0060921/ (The Russians are coming The Russians are coming 1966)

:facepalm:
 
Robert said:
The Irish are concerned about this incursion into their Economic Exclusion Zone.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...ff-irish-coast-us-ex-commanders-say-1.4786387
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Of course they will say this, pretty normal when someone is near your land in waters.

But Ireland will lose much more economically if sanctions are made agaisnt Russia. After 2014, Ireland lost millions.

But im also interested in why you are against this move from Russia when you support arms to Nazis in Ukraine and missiles on their border? Are you really saying its ok for the west to terrorise but not for Russia to swim international waters?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Of course they will say this, pretty normal when someone is near your land in waters.

But Ireland will lose much more economically if sanctions are made agaisnt Russia. After 2014, Ireland lost millions.

But im also interested in why you are against this move from Russia when you support arms to Nazis in Ukraine and missiles on their border? Are you really saying its ok for the west to terrorise but not for Russia to swim international waters?
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No.

Why do you think Ireland lost trade in 2014?

Why do you say Ukraine govt is Nazi? Extremely offensive characterisation surely.
 
Robert said:
No.

Why do you think Ireland lost trade in 2014?

Why do you say Ukraine govt is Nazi? Extremely offensive characterisation surely.
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Russia warns of US relationship with Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

Weapons sent by America to Kiev may end up in the hands of “militants and terrorists,” Russia claims

Neo-Nazis have essentially been given free rein to do what they please in east Ukraine, all with political and material support from Washington, which is “well aware” of the threat, the Russian Embassy in the US has claimed.

The embassy’s statement, posted to Facebook on Wednesday, said that Washington is continuously bragging about efforts “to build up military assistance to the Kiev regime” while ignoring the political stance of those it is helping out.

“The US authorities do this being aware that American lethal weapons will end up in the hands of militants and terrorists in Ukraine,” the embassy said. “Together with the political and material support of Washington, the neo-Nazis, in fact, receive a 'carte blanche' for provocations and carrying out military actions in the Donbass.”

By “militants and terrorists,” the statement could have been referring to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, which is part of the National Guard of Ukraine.

https://www.rt.com/russia/547413-us-nazis-weapons-ukraine/
 
I wouldn’t believe one word from RT about Ukraine.

Back to the OP.

The Irish fishermens’ union have lobbied the Russian Ambassador regarding the warship deployment. They are going to put to see to fish in this area. I hope they stay safe.
 
Robert said:
I wouldn’t believe one word from RT about Ukraine.

Back to the OP.

The Irish fishermens’ union have lobbied the Russian Ambassador regarding the warship deployment. They are going to put to see to fish in this area. I hope they stay safe.
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Of course you wouldn't, but here is a fact you are not aware of. While you consider RT a state propaganda channel (just like the BBC), RT has an international license, which means the quality and credibility of its news must stand up to scrutiny. Unlike North Korea and China state propaganda channels are confined to the domestic markets.

You will be shocked to know most of the news on RT tallies with Western news channels like the BBC, CNN etc. Many prominent Western digires have appeared on RT.

Just cos you don't like the news doesn't mean its not true.
 
Robert said:
No.

Why do you think Ireland lost trade in 2014?

Why do you say Ukraine govt is Nazi? Extremely offensive characterisation surely.
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Ireland is targeting a reset in relations with Russia in an attempt to reinvigorate trade and political ties damaged by a four-year sanctions war between the Kremlin and the European Union.

Agriculture appears to be the main area of focus in this drive, and there is certainly lost ground to be made up. Irish agricultural exports to Russia almost halved between 2014 and 2016 (from €722 million to €364 million) as pork, dairy and poultry were among foodstuffs banned by Russia in the ***-for-tat dispute.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...ks-a-reset-in-relations-with-russia-1.3396716

n the new Ukrainian government politicians linked to the far-right have taken posts from deputy prime minister to head of defence.
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https://www.channel4.com/news/svoboda-ministers-ukraine-new-government-far-right

The truth can never be offensive unless one doesnt accept it.

Please answer my simple question. You are against Russian ships sailing in Int waters but support sending arms next to Russia's border? Only Nato has the right to terrorise?
 
KingKhanWC said:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...ks-a-reset-in-relations-with-russia-1.3396716



https://www.channel4.com/news/svoboda-ministers-ukraine-new-government-far-right

The truth can never be offensive unless one doesnt accept it.

Please answer my simple question. You are against Russian ships sailing in Int waters but support sending arms next to Russia's border? Only Nato has the right to terrorise?
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That’s two questions.

I am against Russian stupid encroaching into Ireland’s EEZ and endangering fishermen going about lawful business.

The Russians could move ten miles south west out of the EEZ and launch weapons to their hearts’ desire. So they are being provocative.

I support the right of Ukraine to deter and defend herself from invasion by Russia, using shoulder-fired antitank missiles sent from NATO states.

Self defence of one’s sovereign nation is not exerting “the right to terrorise”.

Your problem is that you are a digital thinker, as many religious people are. You have to put all things in one of two boxes. You put NATO in the “bad” box, so because Putin opposes NATO you can only put him in the “good” box despite all the death he has caused.
 
Robert said:
That’s two questions.

I am against Russian stupid encroaching into Ireland’s EEZ and endangering fishermen going about lawful business.

The Russians could move ten miles south west out of the EEZ and launch weapons to their hearts’ desire. So they are being provocative.

I support the right of Ukraine to deter and defend herself from invasion by Russia, using shoulder-fired antitank missiles sent from NATO states.

Self defence of one’s sovereign nation is not exerting “the right to terrorise”.

Your problem is that you are a digital thinker, as many religious people are. You have to put all things in one of two boxes. You put NATO in the “bad” box, so because Putin opposes NATO you can only put him in the “good” box despite all the death he has caused.
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Same can be said of NATO, they can launch weapons to their hearts desire thus are being provocative and aggressive. Equally you are also thinking in binary, Russia is the enemy thus in a bad box, and you are an atheist, so don’t see why you have to mention religion.
 
Robert said:
That’s two questions.

I am against Russian stupid encroaching into Ireland’s EEZ and endangering fishermen going about lawful business.

The Russians could move ten miles south west out of the EEZ and launch weapons to their hearts’ desire. So they are being provocative.

I support the right of Ukraine to deter and defend herself from invasion by Russia, using shoulder-fired antitank missiles sent from NATO states.

Self defence of one’s sovereign nation is not exerting “the right to terrorise”.

Your problem is that you are a digital thinker, as many religious people are. You have to put all things in one of two boxes. You put NATO in the “bad” box, so because Putin opposes NATO you can only put him in the “good” box despite all the death he has caused.
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I follow the truth, my religion has little to do with facts and reality, please leave my beliefs out of this. I could say you as an athiest .....etc


Who are you or Nato to support Ukraine Nazis? What has this got to do with us British citizens? Since when did we become the worlds police? After the last two decades of bombings and state terrorism, we are the last nation along with Yanks to be considered as moral protectors. I would advise to travel the world so you get a better picture than BBC.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Same can be said of NATO, they can launch weapons to their hearts desire thus are being provocative and aggressive. Equally you are also thinking in binary, Russia is the enemy thus in a bad box, and you are an atheist, so don’t see why you have to mention religion.
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This is utter madness. Its ok for Nato to do as it pleases. Set up coup after the Ukrainian PM opted for Russia instead of the E.U. Install Nazis, give them weapons and plan to point nuclear capable missiles next to their border. But Russia cant sail in Internanational waters and Nato are the good guys :)))
 
Technics 1210 said:
Same can be said of NATO, they can launch weapons to their hearts desire thus are being provocative and aggressive. Equally you are also thinking in binary, Russia is the enemy thus in a bad box, and you are an atheist, so don’t see why you have to mention religion.
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But NATO aren’t launching weapons in someone’s EEZ waters are they?

Religious people tend to be digital thinkers, like Corbynistas. I’m an analogue thinker. No-one is completely good or completely bad to me, other than the Hitlers and Stalins and Pol Pots and Mao Tse-Tungs, the genocide blokes. The West has done some bad stuff but we also have liberal democracy and freedom and rules-based international order.. Putin Russia does bad stuff but is an authoritarian oligarchy without the freedoms we enjoy, such as your freedom to criticise the government on PP. Try that in Russia and see what happens to you. So the West is preferable.
 
Nato in their backyard, I don't blame them. Completely defensive. They have to be capable of responding on land and sea.
 
Robert said:
But NATO aren’t launching weapons in someone’s EEZ waters are they?

Religious people tend to be digital thinkers, like Corbynistas. I’m an analogue thinker. No-one is completely good or completely bad to me, other than the Hitlers and Stalins and Pol Pots and Mao Tse-Tungs, the genocide blokes. The West has done some bad stuff but we also have liberal democracy and freedom and rules-based international order.. Putin Russia does bad stuff but is an authoritarian oligarchy without the freedoms we enjoy, such as your freedom to criticise the government on PP. Try that in Russia and see what happens to you. So the West is preferable.
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The west has not just done "some bad stuff."
 
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Robert said:
But NATO aren’t launching weapons in someone’s EEZ waters are they?

Religious people tend to be digital thinkers, like Corbynistas. I’m an analogue thinker. No-one is completely good or completely bad to me, other than the Hitlers and Stalins and Pol Pots and Mao Tse-Tungs, the genocide blokes. The West has done some bad stuff but we also have liberal democracy and freedom and rules-based international order.. Putin Russia does bad stuff but is an authoritarian oligarchy without the freedoms we enjoy, such as your freedom to criticise the government on PP. Try that in Russia and see what happens to you. So the West is preferable.
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Neither are the Russians launching in EEZ waters are they? Is this what you mean by analogue thinking?

Another dig at religion I see any way, I guess you mentioned Corbyn because he is pro-Palestinian.

Analogue thinkers are more hypocritical than digital thinkers. Everything you accuse Russia of, the West is equally if not more guilty of. West will target people who speak out against their government too (Assange), the Russians do the same. So I do not see the point you are trying to make.

As for international law, yes we saw what the West thought of international law in 2003.
 
Robert said:
Yes, they are.

I didn’t mention Corbyn. I mentioned Corbynistas, as examples of digital thinkers.
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So Corbynistas are religious mainly? As digital thinkers? Religion is deep rooted in Ireland too, are the Irish digital thinkers?

Corbynistas supported JC, and consequently his views, so him being pro-palestinian does make a difference and is relevant. Very puzzled on why you would mention Corbynistas.

As a liberal, you are very swift to generalise which is typically a trait of the right.

Sometimes being digital is the better option, it's a clearer path to have a black or white view, than to live a life of grey.
 
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