Sachin Tendulkar : Hansie Cronje tested me the most

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Move aside the Glenn McGraths and Muttiah Muralitharans, the only bowler who has tested Sachin Tendulkar was Hansie Cronje.
Indian batting icon claimed that "he didn't know what to do" while facing the late Hansie Cronje!

The ex-South African captain, who died in a plane crash after being banned for match-fixing, was the one man Tendulkar found hard to deal with and bowling technique had nothing to do with it.

"Honestly. I got out to Hansie more than anyone. When we played South Africa he always got me out more than Allan Donald or Shaun Pollock. It wasn't that I couldn't pick him ? it's just that the ball seemed to go straight to a fielder," Tendulkar told 'The Guardian'.
Missing ODI series not pre determined
Batting maestro Sachin Tendulkar said his decision to skip India's last two ODI series, in Sri Lanka and against Australia at home, was not a pre-determined one and he knows how to adjust to various formats of the game.

"The decision to skip the last two ODI series was taken at the last moment and was not pre-decided. My kit always contained coloured pads," Tendulkar said at a media conference to announce his tie-up with Pune-based reality firm Amit Enterprises Housing.

"I have been playing cricket for some time now. If I was not playing cricket there would be something to think about.

Having been around for some time, I know how to adjust to the formats," he added.

The 37-year-old batting icon also said he would follow whatever was needed to keep himself in prime condition for the all-important 2011 World Cup in the sub-continent.

"I know my body. I would do whatever is needed for the World Cup and it won't be pre-decided," said Tendulkar, who has often said that he is dreaming of being part of a World Cup-winning team.

Tendulkar would be playing in his sixth World Cup and second in the sub-continent.

Tendulkar, who last played a ODI against South Africa in February at Gwalior, where he became the first batsman to score a double-hundred in the 50-over format, said it was too early to think about the upcoming tour of South Africa.

"It's tough to talk now about the South Africa series and the World Cup. The focus is on the the Test series against New Zealand (commencing at Ahmedabad on November 4).

"We have got three Tests to play before South Africa.

When we go there the focus would be on that. Before the World Cup, there's lot of cricket to be played," Tendulkar said.

He emphasised the importance of keeping the focus on the job closest at hand and maintain the winning momentum going into the mega-event starting on February 19, 2011.

"It's all about focus. We want to focus on the cricket before that. The momentum is important and we would like to keep that momentum."

He also described the recent whitewash of Australia in the Test series as "unbelievable" and praised the winning knock by VVS Laxman at Mohali in the opener, that India won by one wicket, as "terrific".

"It was extremely important. Against Australia, it's always a special series. We have players, who have done terrific things against them. To win 2-0 was unbelievable, especially in the first Test and win from that position.

Laxman played a terrific innings. Ishant played well too," he said.

Tendulkar said, to emerge as winners at Bangalore in the second match, after having allowed Australia to rattle up close to 500 runs in the first innings, was "unbelievable".

"Even in the second Test, they had scored 475 in the second innings. To win from that position on the fifth day was unbelievable. It was special to have that crowd at Bangalore on all five days," said Tendulkar, who scored a double hundred and an unbeaten half century to lead the team to a seven-wicket victory and a series sweep.

Tendulkar said, while the team had played remarkably well over the last few years, it was equally important to keep up the good work to maintain the top rank.

"What we have been able to achieve as a team in the last few years is remarkable. (We) want to continue doing this. It feels good to be number one, but we want to continue playing well to stay there."

Asked whether he was playing his best cricket ever, a run that has fetched him the ICC Cricketer of the Year Award, the batting genius said he would aim to perform even better.

"I would like to do better, would like to work harder. I don't like to count the numbers. The closer I look at the ball is more important than the numbers (centuries, runs and the records). I believe in action, not talking and want to keep my fingers crossed," he said.

http://www.espnstar.com/cricket/int...m522797/Tendulkar:-Cronje-tested-me-the-most/
 
Couldn't give the phsycological edge to :akhtar, hence naming Cronje.

A politically correct answer.
 
Intresting.... Because in the past he has said that he found Razzak the most difficult bowler to play???????
 
Intresting.... Because in the past he has said that he found Razzak the most difficult bowler to play???????

I read an interview from Sanjay Manjeraker in 2004 who said that when he asked Tendular to pick the three most difficult bowlers he ever faced, he picked Cronje, Razzaq and some bowler from New zealand.

Razzaq is of course no where near the bowler he was in 90s so i am not sure if Tendulkar will still have any problems with him anymore
 
Cronje also tested him,but i remember getting out nicking to mcgrath deliveries and lbw's to razzaq's deliveries.
 
In ODIs/T20 a batsman can get out even trying to score more.. but in tests, the batsman need not go after a bowler when he is bowling a good spell.. so a bowling record by a bowler against a batsman in tests alone can say if he has truly dominated the batsman or not.

This is the list of bowlers who had the maximum success against sachin in tests

Muthiah Muralitharan (Sri Lanka) = 8 outs, 34 innings.
Glenn McGrath (Australia) = 6 outs, 18 innings.
Jason Gillespie (Australia) = 6 outs, 14 innings.
Brett Lee (Australia) = 5 outs, 22 innings.
James Anderson (England) = 5 outs, 11 innings.
Hensie Cronje (South Africa) = 5 outs, 22 innings.
Allan Donald (South Africa) = 5 outs, 22 innings.
(If both tests and ODIs are concerned then it is brett lee)
If there is one bowler who has clearly dominated sachin in tests then it is cronje.. as his average against cronje is the least.. the number of balls he faced against cronje is the least.. whereas all others have bowled a lot against sachin..

So it is a fact that the most difficult bowler he faced is cronje. It has always been these kind of bowlers who got him out more often in both forms of the game.. be it cronje, mark ealham, evans, and other part timers and bowling allrounders..
 
Sachin wasn't alone who had troubles facing Cronje - I remember lots of batsmen who fell cheaply to Cronje which also made him a very economical bowler
 
In ODIs/T20 a batsman can get out even trying to score more.. but in tests, the batsman need not go after a bowler when he is bowling a good spell.. so a bowling record by a bowler against a batsman in tests alone can say if he has truly dominated the batsman or not.

This is the list of bowlers who had the maximum success against sachin in tests

Muthiah Muralitharan (Sri Lanka) = 8 outs, 34 innings.
Glenn McGrath (Australia) = 6 outs, 18 innings.
Jason Gillespie (Australia) = 6 outs, 14 innings.
Brett Lee (Australia) = 5 outs, 22 innings.
James Anderson (England) = 5 outs, 11 innings.
Hensie Cronje (South Africa) = 5 outs, 22 innings.
Allan Donald (South Africa) = 5 outs, 22 innings.
(If both tests and ODIs are concerned then it is brett lee)
If there is one bowler who has clearly dominated sachin in tests then it is cronje.. as his average against cronje is the least.. the number of balls he faced against cronje is the least.. whereas all others have bowled a lot against sachin..

So it is a fact that the most difficult bowler he faced is cronje. It has always been these kind of bowlers who got him out more often in both forms of the game.. be it cronje, mark ealham, evans, and other part timers and bowling allrounders..

Jimmy Anderson has done really well against him...
 
He has also mentioned Aquib Javed who I think did not get enough credit or attention because of the two Ws. He bowled that nagging length
 
Intresting.... Because in the past he has said that he found Razzak the most difficult bowler to play???????

I read an interview from Sanjay Manjeraker in 2004 who said that when he asked Tendular to pick the three most difficult bowlers he ever faced, he picked Cronje, Razzaq and some bowler from New zealand.

Razzaq is of course no where near the bowler he was in 90s so i am not sure if Tendulkar will still have any problems with him anymore

Correct. The third name was Dion Nash.
 
I remember the zim spinner ray price giving him real hard time in a test in india few years ago. He had issues with slow defensive bowlers, being a free flowing batsman himself
 
It was probably cronje who was responsible for india inability to beat sa in sa in odis. Those 115kph thunderbolts were unplayable by sachin i guess
 
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Tendulkar could not play on seeming tracks. He was mediocre on those tracks

I watched the India vs Kenya ODI match played at Port Elizabeth. Kenya beat India with their gentled paced bowlers. Sachin scratched around at the crease. He was being beaten ball after ball. He faced 20 balls, edged 3 singles before Angara ended his nightmare by bowling...

Sachin could not bat on seeming wickets. He was a flat track bully

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66103.html
 
^^^^^
well he scored most of his runs on flat tracks against minnows or under strength teams or against teams where the opposition was at disadvantage pitchwise.

Stats does not alway give a true picture.

bottom line is, qualitatively he was below a number of his contemporary batsman
 
I can personally relate to this, though at obviously a far far lower level. Batsmen enjoy the ball coming on to the bat at good pace and bounce unless they're not competent. Its not about survival, but feeling good in doing what you do. Its like the luxury of driving a Ferrari when you know that sort of speed can get you killed while you could be safe and relaxed in a Fiat through less busy roads. Tendulkar didn't have any technical weakness and was by nature a fluent and dominant batsman. It was obvious he never enjoyed playing Cronjie, Symonds, Harvey, Ronnie Irani type of dibbly dobblers.
 
I can personally relate to this, though at obviously a far far lower level. Batsmen enjoy the ball coming on to the bat at good pace and bounce unless they're not competent. Its not about survival, but feeling good in doing what you do. Its like the luxury of driving a Ferrari when you know that sort of speed can get you killed while you could be safe and relaxed in a Fiat through less busy roads. Tendulkar didn't have any technical weakness and was by nature a fluent and dominant batsman. It was obvious he never enjoyed playing Cronjie, Symonds, Harvey, Ronnie Irani type of dibbly dobblers.


yawns


1999 got nailed by mcgrath
2003 again macgrath
vs eng 2011 did not do anything special with his bad against anderson and broad when rookie azhar


I am afraid he was very very vulunerable against quality swing and pace
 
Good thread bump by some posters who will never get over the fact that arguably the greatest batsmen ever was born on this side of the border. :)
 
I am surprised a batsman of Tendu's class would have problems facing someone like Cronje. Just goes to show that even the best are not always afraid of extreme pace.
 
Good thread bump by some posters who will never get over the fact that arguably the greatest batsmen ever was born on this side of the border. :)

Most Pakistanis don't have a problem with Tendu being an Indian I mean class is class no matter where it is. We still have many legends of our own like :wasim
 
I can personally relate to this, though at obviously a far far lower level. Batsmen enjoy the ball coming on to the bat at good pace and bounce unless they're not competent. Its not about survival, but feeling good in doing what you do. Its like the luxury of driving a Ferrari when you know that sort of speed can get you killed while you could be safe and relaxed in a Fiat through less busy roads. Tendulkar didn't have any technical weakness and was by nature a fluent and dominant batsman. It was obvious he never enjoyed playing Cronjie, Symonds, Harvey, Ronnie Irani type of dibbly dobblers.

so you're saying India's 'pace' attacks over the years would have made Tendulkar look like a tailender? :))
 
Should add McGrath to that list as well dismissed Sachin 6 times giving away just 88 runs. Came across this sometime back his head to head stats compiled by Charles Davis.

Bowlers who have dismissed Sachin at least a couple of times in Tests

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I agree lots of batsman struggled against Brian McMillan back in the day also Craig McMillan



sachin (according to indians) is the best of all time. Lots of batsmen struggling against a particular bowler does not mean that the best of all time(according to india) should also struggle. it means that in the end he was just an above average batsman qualitatively.


Regards
 
sachin (according to indians) is the best of all time. Lots of batsmen struggling against a particular bowler does not mean that the best of all time(according to india) should also struggle. it means that in the end he was just an above average batsman qualitatively.


Regards

Not particularly. Where does it say that the best Batsman couldn't struggle against bowlers who have troubled more than one batsman. If Afridi and Tendulkar struggled against Hanse Cronje for example , does that mean , their batting capability is equal ? Certainly not.
And let's say Tendulkar found Cronje hard to tackle but Afridi played Cronje better , does that make Afridi a better batsman ? This isn't how you evaluate cricketers bud

ps- Sachin is the greatest not just according to the Indians but the cricketing community in general , if it makes you uncomfortable , not much anyone could do
 
Most Pakistanis don't have a problem with Tendu being an Indian I mean class is class no matter where it is. We still have many legends of our own like :wasim

Yes but i wasn't referring to you brother. I did say "some" . Anyway if Tendu felt that cronje was the most difficult bowler to face, then that's his opinion isn't it? He has played cricket at the highest level and he has every right to say that. Yet some posters get worked up because he didn't mention who "they" felt troubled him the most. :)
 
Yes but i wasn't referring to you brother. I did say "some" . Anyway if Tendu felt that cronje was the most difficult bowler to face, then that's his opinion isn't it? He has played cricket at the highest level and he has every right to say that. Yet some posters get worked up because he didn't mention who "they" felt troubled him the most. :)

Exactly, I don't understand the long discussions that happen here over someone's opinion , the guy has played for 24 yrs , heck he could have played for 4 years , his opinion is solely his , don't impose your thinking upon it. and I fail to comprehend the reasoning that anyone who found Cronje hard cannot be the greatest batsman.
 
Should add McGrath to that list as well dismissed Sachin 6 times giving away just 88 runs. Came across this sometime back his head to head stats compiled by Charles Davis.

Bowlers who have dismissed Sachin at least a couple of times in Tests

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This list vindicates what Tendu has said to be honest. He said that the ball always seemed to find the fielder when Hansie was bowling and ,lo, look at his strike rate against hansie - it's the lowest amongst all the bowlers. He certainly did struggle to score off hansie compared to the others.
 
Among the great/ATG bowlers he struggled against(according to this list) are Anderson/Broad/Mcgrath/Gillespie/Bishop/akhtar. Among these, he played around 8 tests against Jimmy/Broad when he was past it i.e. after 2011 World Cup.
 
Not particularly. Where does it say that the best Batsman couldn't struggle against bowlers who have troubled more than one batsman. If Afridi and Tendulkar struggled against Hanse Cronje for example , does that mean , their batting capability is equal ? Certainly not.
And let's say Tendulkar found Cronje hard to tackle but Afridi played Cronje better , does that make Afridi a better batsman ? This isn't how you evaluate cricketers bud

ps- Sachin is the greatest not just according to the Indians but the cricketing community in general , if it makes you uncomfortable , not much anyone could do

yawns

ponting and lara (who were far better batsmen then sachin) never struggled against 110k bowlers like sachin. Sachin is considered the greatest of all time by indians and by retired cirickters who get some benefits in india call him the greatest of all time


Have a nice day
 
yawns

ponting and lara (who were far better batsmen then sachin) never struggled against 110k bowlers like sachin. Sachin is considered the greatest of all time by indians and by retired cirickters who get some benefits in india call him the greatest of all time


Have a nice day

So you're reasoning is Lara did not struggle against 110k bowlers and Sachin did so Lara is better.
If Lara struggled with 140 K and Sachin did not , what would be your conclusion then ?
If Lara struggled against leg spinners and Sachin did not , What would you conclude then ?

You're reasoning is like a child.
 
Against express pace: Ponting > Tendulkar > Lara

Against spin: Lara > Tendulkar > Ponting


Tendy was a jack of all trades in comparison to other guys from the same era. Talking about weaknesses, he did have trouble once in a while against fastish-medium pace bowling.
 
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Haven't come across a fairly complete head-to-head stats piece for Dravid bud. There was one I think a couple of years back but that was hardly complete. Maybe 70% or something like that.
 
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