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Saim Ayub vs Tilak Varma : Talent/Charisma vs Hard Work /Mental strength

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Now that Saim has been dropped from even a Pakistani Test batting lineup , the comparison with Jaiswal no longer makes sense.

This however feels like a fairer comparison.


Saim is a good looking/marketable dude who is a generational talent/poster boy for Pakistani batting and is born to be a star in Pakistan .

He is bound to land the best endorsements available to a Pakistani cricketer and receive wide adulation and admiration just as Babar did before him .

He's also an exceptionally gifted athlete who can play stunning shots without even looking at the ball fully which shows what a natural talent he is


Tilak is your hard working average Joe who is never going to be the "Guy" in Indian cricket. He'll always be behind the Gill's and Abhishek's in terms of star power and endorsements and will be an afterthought l, unfortunately, for most casual Indian fans.

Unlike Saim, he actually has to watch the ball until the last second to score a few runs because he's not half the natural athlete that Saim is, either. Also comes from a humble background wherein his father was an electrician and mother, a homemaker.


So, who in your opinion would have the greater cricket career. Pakistan's generational star after Bobby the Star or will it be India's everyday working man average Joe , Tilak Varma ? :inti
 
Pakistan should stop this obsession with " good looking / marketable " faces

In Sport the only criteria for marketablity should be performance not good face card or fair skin

U guys made this mistake with Naseem Shah

Nobody in India cares abt looks or skin color - just look at Hardik Pandya !
 
No u are mistaken if u think Tilak Varma is not marketable bcoz of his looks

If he becomes India's best player - he will become most marketable player as well. Not Abhishek Sharma or Shubman Gill

ps : Tilak Varma has the looks & swagger of a South Indian movie star like Allu Arjun. So that is not a concern anyway
 
Lol what.

Tilak is way better looking than Saim (who looks super average even by Pakistani standards) and is also 6 feet tall lol.

He very much fits international, particularly western standards of beauty (Hardik too).

Tiktok is filled with westerners thirsting over him.

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7517624435936054546

Look at all the white, black, latino women thirsting over him (some western Pakistanis too).

Saim is the best of a bad bunch (like Umar Akmal and Babar before him). Pakistan won't produce superstars anymore. The system is too weak.

Tilak is one amongst a bunch of great Indian batsmen.
 
Also one thing, with India's economic growth which has led to westernization - the younger gen is so full of swagger and style.

Pakistani players look and behave like normal middle class desi dudes and get arranged marriages.

Indians apart from their natural talent have got tattoo sleeves, model/actress girlfriends, piercings - closer to international athletes in basketball/football etc.

Look at the swagger.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972706685937406205
 
if looks were the determinant Naseem Shah and Wasim Jr would have been the PCT stars, as for swagger looks very bad when it’s not backed by performance, I don’t think Saim aims at it as well to be honest, he’s just overconfident of sorts
 
Tilak literally trumps Saim at everything you mentioned.
 
OP is a smart poster, so I think he is just sarcastic because Tilak currently has the sharpest facial features amongst all Asian players plus he has that aura that comes from skill and confidence. I honestly don't know how Saim looks, I watched all 3 matches and never really noticed him, meaning he either has an average forgettable face or no starpower for the camera to be focused on him, or both, plus I am too lazy to Google lol, so can't comment.
 
Prince of Dorne said:
OP is a smart poster, so I think he is just sarcastic because Tilak currently has the sharpest facial features amongst all Asian players plus he has that aura that comes from skill and confidence. I honestly don't know how Saim looks, I watched all 3 matches and never really noticed him, meaning he either has an average forgettable face or no starpower for the camera to be focused on him, or both, plus I am too lazy to Google lol, so can't comment.
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This describes Ayub

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967271029891645609
 
Tilak has enormous mental fortitude playing 2 knocks under pressure. He was just too good in Asia cup final.

On the other hand, Saim did bowl decent lines with good control. Poor lad lacks confidence but was still being played. Feels harsh to be critical about him when he is already backed to the corner.
 
I think we have to stop comparing Indian playes with pakistan players. As i have told in many threads under-19 world cup is a fair indicator. Pakistan u19 batsmen have been downright ordinary for the last few editions of world cup. Dare i say under-12 players from India look way more technically sound than them. Tilak in his debut county season made 350 in 4 matches for Hampshire. Any comparison will look comical in the end.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I think we have to stop comparing Indian playes with pakistan players. As i have told in many threads under-19 world cup is a fair indicator. Pakistan u19 batsmen have been downright ordinary for the last few editions of world cup. Dare i say under-12 players from India look way more technically sound than them. Tilak in his debut county season made 350 in 4 matches for Hampshire. Any comparison will look comical in the end.
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Last 5 editions India have made the final every time winning twice and each batch has already produced players who have done well internationally.

2016 - Pant, Sundar, Sarfaraz, Ishan
2018 - Gill, Arshdeep, Abhishek
2020 - Jaiswal, Tilak, Bishnoi

Bawa will be the big name from the 2022 cup.

Bawa/NKR - Indian's twin pace all rounders who along with Sundar will provide insane balance to India.
 
That 3-0 thrashing seems to have broke our Pak brothers mentally, otherwise on any other day they would swarm thread like this claiming how they are a geographical oddity, a Nordic super race found its way in south Asia and how fair skinned, blue eyed they are compared to us dark skinned veggie baniyas.
 
In 1987, before world cup, Imran Khan was offered 2 lakhs for an ad by an Indian company where as Gavaskar and other stars were offered 1 lakh for an ad. Today's top 20-30 Indian cricketers should easily make 10x - 20x of what the topmost Pakistani player makes. The southern state of Tamil Nadu, India crossed entire GDP of Pakistan this year with 3 times less population. Look how the world has changed in the last 3 decades!!! 🤔🤔🤔
 
Prince of Dorne said:
That 3-0 thrashing seems to have broke our Pak brothers mentally, otherwise on any other day they would swarm thread like this claiming how they are a geographical oddity, a Nordic super race found its way in south Asia and how fair skinned, blue eyed they are compared to us dark skinned veggie baniyas.
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Just the nature of it - drawn out over two weeks
  • No handshakes
  • Closing the dressing room door
  • Dedication to Pahalgam victims
  • Social media dedicating to victims
  • Pycroft remaining match referee
  • Abusing Shaheen/Rauf and hitting them around
  • "Not a rivalry"
  • Social media - "You talk, we win"
  • Bumrah celebration on Rauf wicket
  • Booing Pak players during ceremony
  • "Premier fast bowler"
  • Not collecting trophy and then doing celebrations with an invisible trophy
  • Social media clowning with fake trophy
Then the three matches themselves
  • First match with all that hype and it was a blowout
  • Second match Pak thought they had a good total but Abhishek-Gill finished off the game in the PP
  • The final which they thought would be the ultimate revenge they lost even after doing well in both PPs
Now post tournament shenanigans like PCB cancelling T20 NOCs as collective punishment.
 
Oh bas mar dei @Hellion

Saim gets the credit of developing a good technique at a very young age but that doesn't equal talent.

He has good footwork, Good technique when it comes to holding bat structure sure but so does Abdullah Shafique and Abdullah is another useless batsmen.

Fakhar Zaman has a baseball esc stance and in his prime he's better then both these 2 notonkies. Infact he's better then them even now at the age of 35 where he's clearly washed up atm.

Talent is more so related to eye hand coordination. The reason why Viv Richards and Sachin are considered the apex of Talent is cause it's extremely rare of a 6'4 giant and a 16 year okd teenager to handle and adjust to 140-150KPH bowling as well as spin on rank turner's.

Technique can only get you so far.

Secondly you need to have game awareness as well. Theirs a certain method to read certain deliveries related to seam and swing which saim clearly is clueless on especially offspin.

Tilak Varma isn't just some talentless individual who's hard working and made it past saim, he's genuinely talented and has good awareness something saim has no clue on.

Ong Pakistani fans and Indian fans both are showcasing that they have no clue on how to read the game and are creating threads to troll and spite rather then discuss and debate
 
Abhishek has shown how quickly you can become no.1 rank in T20 if you are a noob. Jaiswal already showed by reaching world no.4 at the start of his career. Here is where you have to question Ayub's perceived capability in T20 internationals.


Ayub 48 T20Is (highest T20I ranking 33, current ranking 57)
Abhishek 24 T20Is (highest T20i ranking 1, current ranking 1)
Tilak Varma 32 T20Is (highest T20I ranking, 2 current ranking 3)
 
Tilak is not marketable because he is dusky? What is this 1920s? Sachin was a poster boy inspite of being short.

Majority South Indian stars are dusky , even Dhoni was, if Tilak does well he will be the poster boy. Gone are the days when there would be 1-4 poster boys, now there can be many.
 
Tilak is better looking, more talented and far more marketable in my opinion.

Saim isn't even good looking.
 
Reading other responses, I think I fell for a troll thread. I take back my judgement on looks, it's subjective and personal.
 
Saim needed more domestic experience. Indian batters only make it to the national team if they have performed in Ranjhi, A team for atleast 2-3 seasons and have scored loads of runs.
 
What is this generstional talent? How was it determined?

Pakistanis hide behind words like talent because there is no measurable unit of this talent.

The op should read s few books on battin. Its basic cricket technique to wwtcy the e ball till the last moment.

Is this a thread to big up. Saim ayub?
 
Saim is just having a bad patch with his batting. I am sure he will be back soon with good performances with the bat soon. Not sure, if bowling more consistently has an affect on his batting 🤔
 
Tilak has plenty of Charishma, the fan following he has among both india and pak women is crazy.
 
Tilak is the few among Indian batters who has a chance to play all 3 formats. Bigger things are expected of him.

Saim's batting has gone down, he needs to work on it. On the flip side his bowling has developed well.
 
Players should be judged on how good their conventional cricket is not "no look shots". TIlak Varma has a great conventional cricket. This is where some fans err in judging the talent.
 
Beauty is in the eyes of the “beerholder 😂😂” as they say but talent is out there. Greatness takes commitment to fine tune it.

 
jnaveen1980 said:
I think we have to stop comparing Indian playes with pakistan players. As i have told in many threads under-19 world cup is a fair indicator. Pakistan u19 batsmen have been downright ordinary for the last few editions of world cup. Dare i say under-12 players from India look way more technically sound than them. Tilak in his debut county season made 350 in 4 matches for Hampshire. Any comparison will look comical in the end.
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You are right by the time Indian batsmen come into the National team they already have played important games and batted under pressure. They come through a proper process. There is no comparison.
 
Can't believe that players' face cards are being compared in assessing their futures 🫡

Why don't we start reading their palms and doing tarot readings also for them
 
Both players are talented and have the potential for long careers with their respective teams. The real difference lies in the environments they’re growing in. Tilak plays under the BCCI, one of the richest and most professionally run cricket boards (political influence aside). This gives him access to world-class facilities, top coaches, structured training programs, and of course, financial security. All of this helps him stay motivated and continuously push beyond his natural ability.

Saim, on the other hand, is a naturally gifted batter but plays under one of the most mismanaged and unprofessional boards. He lacks access to the same quality of facilities, coaching, or sports psychology support. Adding to this, many Pakistani players often have limited education or exposure outside cricket, which makes it harder for them to handle sudden fame, pressure, and the demands of modern media. These factors, combined with poor player management, inevitably affect performance.

I haven’t even touched on the IPL vs PSL comparison, two leagues that are worlds apart. Tilak gets the chance to share dressing rooms with modern-day greats, train under elite coaching staff, and face the best players across the globe. In contrast, Saim’s exposure is largely limited to second-tier players or retired stars in the PSL.

So, expecting Saim to develop at the same pace or surpass Tilak or any other emerging Indian batters is simply unrealistic.
 
Mesozoic said:
Charisma?

From what I've seen of him so far, Saim looks like a chintu who lost his mother in the market.
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Come on brother, we as men need to stick together against looks-shaming. Look at the other gender, they make each other feel like a 10 even if it means being delusional. There's a reason they walk and talk so confident while majority of the men act like insecure wimps. Bcz all we do is bring each other down.

Let's change that. Can't wait for a day when every man walks with Afridi/Pandaya's swagger regardless of what they look like. Amen.

:sarf
 
Saw that both he and Abhishek have been put in the India A team for today.

The machine never stops.
 
Hellion said:
Now that Saim has been dropped from even a Pakistani Test batting lineup , the comparison with Jaiswal no longer makes sense.

This however feels like a fairer comparison.


Saim is a good looking/marketable dude who is a generational talent/poster boy for Pakistani batting and is born to be a star in Pakistan .

He is bound to land the best endorsements available to a Pakistani cricketer and receive wide adulation and admiration just as Babar did before him .

He's also an exceptionally gifted athlete who can play stunning shots without even looking at the ball fully which shows what a natural talent he is


Tilak is your hard working average Joe who is never going to be the "Guy" in Indian cricket. He'll always be behind the Gill's and Abhishek's in terms of star power and endorsements and will be an afterthought l, unfortunately, for most casual Indian fans.

Unlike Saim, he actually has to watch the ball until the last second to score a few runs because he's not half the natural athlete that Saim is, either. Also comes from a humble background wherein his father was an electrician and mother, a homemaker.


So, who in your opinion would have the greater cricket career. Pakistan's generational star after Bobby the Star or will it be India's everyday working man average Joe , Tilak Varma ? :inti
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Indian detected.
 
wow Tilak has added 62 runs for the last 2 wickets with Arshdeep & Bishnoi. Same two guys he parntered with when India was 8 down against England in T20.
 
I second what JNaveen is telling. Comparing players from two different countries never helps. The players from different countries face different challenges. Hope both Saim and Tilak play well for his respective country and have a good career.
 
zain7077 said:
And how do you rate Saim overall? @Mamoon
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He has more potential than any batsman from Pakistan since Babar emerged. However, he also needs proper mentors in the team to grow.

He was starting to do really well after a difficult start to international cricket, but then PCB removed the only two quality senior batsmen and replaced them with rubbish hacks and this impacted Saim’s performance as well.
 
zain7077 said:
Thoughts on this comparison? @Mamoon
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Indian batsmen always have the edge on their Pakistani counterparts because of the environment that they grew up in and the exposure that they have. Tilak is better and will have a better career but it would have been different if he was Pakistani and Saim was Indian.
 
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