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Sarfaraz Ahmed : How big of an upgrade is he on the last 3 ODI captains?

I think in the India game, like he said, it just was not their day. A dolly off Yuvraj was dropped where they probably would have been restricted 30-40 runs less had it been held. People are forgetting they were contained pretty well for 40 overs.
 
Slog said:
Unfortunately he will still get a much shorter rope compared to the others and that's due to his domicile
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Nothing to do with his domicile. Calling it as it is...He is just a panic inducing muppet captain. It only needs one of fakhar or Hassan to fail and it will be back in evidence again.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Nothing to do with his domicile. Calling it as it is...He is just a panic inducing muppet captain. It only needs one of fakhar or Hassan to fail and it will be back in evidence again.
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With due respect to Hasan , he isnt the only one who has bowled well. Junaid and amir have been great as well and shadab has bowled well for an 18 year old in his debut tournament.
 
Madplayer said:
With due respect to Hasan , he isnt the only one who has bowled well. Junaid and amir have been great as well and shadab has bowled well for an 18 year old in his debut tournament.
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Hassan has delivered in every spell and put pressure back on the opposition, which helps the other bowlers with batsmen under pressure. Junaid had got bit of tap in his first spell today.... Hassan ali got the crucial wicket of Morgan with that immaculate outside off line moving away.. which completely flummoxed Morgan who ended up giving his wicket.... England never truly recovered from that.
 
Amazing captain. One of the best in world cricket. He's turned this side around along with Mickey. Led an average Quetta team to the finals twice as well. Has a brilliant partnership with Mickey too
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Nothing to do with his domicile. Calling it as it is...He is just a panic inducing muppet captain. It only needs one of fakhar or Hassan to fail and it will be back in evidence again.
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What a rubbish post. But this is the same guy who made a bread about how Shadab would get hammered in this game
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Hassan has delivered in every spell and put pressure back on the opposition, which helps the other bowlers with batsmen under pressure. Junaid had got bit of tap in his first spell today.... Hassan ali got the crucial wicket of Morgan with that immaculate outside off line moving away.. which completely flummoxed Morgan who ended up giving his wicket.... England never truly recovered from that.
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hasan ali played the whole england ODI series when azhar ali was the captain, hard to figure it out why pakistan got bamboozled there badly.

i know it really takes guts and a good heart to surrender and accept your mistaken analysis, and appreciate what is right but only people which those stuff can do that
 
18 months ago, 90% of PP called Sarfraz not good enough for limited overs cricket.

WOW, WOW, WOW
 
Macho Mann said:
hasan ali played the whole england ODI series when azhar ali was the captain, hard to figure it out why pakistan got bamboozled there badly.

i know it really takes guts and a good heart to surrender and accept your mistaken analysis, and appreciate what is right but only people which those stuff can do that
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Ok, then why has Sarfraz personally being going downhill as a player in the last year? So a guy who looks unfit and barring one innings curtesy of extreme genotosity by Sri Lankan's is responsible for the upsurge in the entire team? By the way in the same innings, Amir was much more calm and assured in his batting than captain panic who tried his best to get out.

Hassan ali is a talented hard working bowler, he is much improved in a year. That's what talented players do.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Ok, then why has Sarfraz personally being going downhill as a player in the last year? So a guy who looks unfit and barring one innings curtesy of extreme genotosity by Sri Lankan's is responsible for the upsurge in the entire team? By the way in the same innings, Amir was much more calm and assured in his batting than captain panic who tried his best to get out.

Hassan ali is a talented hard working bowler, he is much improved in a year. That's what talented players do.
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you didnt answer my question and now bring sarfraz's fitness as a issue here when clearly its his captaincy we are discussing here

as i said, it takes guts and a good heart to admit your failed analysis, you are just being egoistic nothing else
 
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Macho Mann said:
you didnt answer my question and now bring sarfraz's fitness as a issue here when clearly its his captaincy we are discussing here

as i said, it takes guts and a good heart to admit your failed analysis, you are just being egoistic nothing else
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Are you trying to say he turned Hassan ali around?
 
Uman Naq said:
Nobody here might now PC better than u
but i hav been following PCT right frm the childhood and frm the last year 5 years wat i hav seen.... he surely is the saviour... the mentality has changed a hell lot and pleaaaaaaaaaase why the hell he needs to speak fluent English... why this obsession with english...
and u may need to check wat u hav posted day before yesterday...
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Honestly, he doesn't need to speak a single word of English. But his communication even in Urdu is horrible. I PCB would offer him some communication courses and teach him how to express himself more fluently (in Urdu).
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Ok, then why has Sarfraz personally being going downhill as a player in the last year? So a guy who looks unfit and barring one innings curtesy of extreme genotosity by Sri Lankan's is responsible for the upsurge in the entire team? By the way in the same innings, Amir was much more calm and assured in his batting than captain panic who tried his best to get out.

Hassan ali is a talented hard working bowler, he is much improved in a year. That's what talented players do.
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Have you even followed him over the last 12 months?
 
He's learning from his mistakes so far, so he's better than many for me. Only time can answer his true value.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Nothing to do with his domicile. Calling it as it is...He is just a panic inducing muppet captain. It only needs one of fakhar or Hassan to fail and it will be back in evidence again.
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Haha so we are criticizing him because Hasan Ali and Fakhar Zaman have been performing well? Did Hasan Ali and Fakhar Zaman making bowling changes and field placements for him too?

I understand naturally it's tough for you to see a captain that is from a rival metropolis and isn't fluent in your native tongue but learn to give credit where it's due. Muppet would be a term better attached to your own description if your posts are anything to go by.
 
ManFan said:
I think in the India game, like he said, it just was not their day. A dolly off Yuvraj was dropped where they probably would have been restricted 30-40 runs less had it been held. People are forgetting they were contained pretty well for 40 overs.
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yeah, some other strategy points were off too, like starting the bowling with Imad. The inclusion of Zaman and Junaid over Wahab and Shehzad have been game changing upgrades

things are significantly different in the matter of 2 weeks
 
ManFan said:
I think in the India game, like he said, it just was not their day. A dolly off Yuvraj was dropped where they probably would have been restricted 30-40 runs less had it been held. People are forgetting they were contained pretty well for 40 overs.
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Not really, no. Pakistan's whole bowling combination was out of whack against India. Wahab should get a lengthy rest now since he disbalances this bowling attack immensely. Hasan and Wahab are both third seamers and I believe everyone knows now who is the more skilfull of the two. Junaid's intro has breathed much life into this bowling attack in which EVERY SINGLE bowler now knows their role. As Ian Chappell said today, it will be a completely different Pakistan that steps out on the field against India/Bangladesh on the 18th. People don't really realize even now the magnitude of Wahab's departure from this tournament.
 
Zabbaz said:
What? When did that happen? 50 from 75 balls (50 being dot balls) then a slog and out is leading from the front? If that is the case then maybe we should get Azhar Ali back captain. He was also "leading from the front" right?
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No, Azhar was not because he was a liability. Misbah was the team's best batsman, even if his SR wasn't flashy.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Oh Please .... Dhoni is an ATG player and captain. Prior to Dhoni they had sachin, sehwag, draavid, ganguly.... they won nothing. Dhoni comes along, they win everything.

Take Sarfraz out of this team, you will improve it.
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Looks like ur spitting some kinda bias here....did u improve with hafeez, misbah, azhar and malik as captains..

Only with MYK and Afridi as captain in the recent past pak made to the semis of an ICC tournament.. Now with sarfraz they have reached the final..
 
Zabbaz said:
Did you watch the match? He was not "screaming" today but he certainly was not keeping quiet. He was very vocal throughout letting the players know what they should be doing which is good. I think a lot of people did not understand his behavior during the West Indies series and mislabel it as screaming. He was in fact making sure that people were up for the fight and making sure that they maintained high fielding standards. Out standards are so low that we think a captain should not call out bad/lazy fielding.

He did shout at Hafeez today whenever he failed to field properly off his own bowling. Eventually this lead to Hafeez making a bigger effort to field better off his own bowling. It literally might have saved us between 5- 7- runs off Hafeez and also helped to build pressure on the batsmen by not allowing them easy singles
What impressed me was his willingness to listen to junior players. He let Shadab set his own field. Whenever Shadab requested changes, Sarfraz had confidence in him and allowed him to do it. Some of our former captains would not have allowed this. Especially not from junior players.
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Didnt watch the entire match but watched first 10 and last 25 overs of england innings.. for pakistan inns i got to watch only after 202-2... Tbh it wasnt mislabeled, but was correctly said as screaming... on field screaming is ugly, make the fellow players shiver, less concentrated, as with team pak there is always a fear of losing ur spot in the 11 and also will make the captain look like he has no clue on what his job is which often referred to as headless chicken...In the domestics it can work for him but in international when everyone is seeing that, looks like a poor and ugly team in display..

So now i dont see that. Also I see a every improved way of captaincy since the WI series and especially after the INDIA game...On the india game also he was little bit screaming which adds to his fielders throwing and diving around but not catching the ball...Concentration and attitude plays a major role in any game..

Good to see he learnt it quickly and puts in to display.. Very well done... Interestingly looking forward on how he handles the pressure game against india if they have to meet again in the final...
 
He did what no Captain has been able to do in the last 6-7 years.. send in Hafeez in the last 15 over where he could be most effective

Misbah would've promoted Hafeez to 3, which would've led to a tuk tuk marathan and then a collapse
 
Mamoon said:
What rants? All I said was that he needs to improve his communication skills. That's not a criticism of his captaincy.

He's not a savior but he's a decent captain. Better than the ones we have had recently, and he is the only viable option for Test captaincy as well.
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Sorry, I am gonna have to disagree with you there. He is the savior Pakistan has always needed but never had. Like I said before, he is the best Captain Pakistan has had for a very long time and a true champion unlike some of the pretenders we have had in the past few years.
 
Egg on my face , i criticized him a lot after that loss against india (his captaincy was pathetic in that match btw , starting with imad , 0 overs to hafeez) and even called for his head but kudos to him for completely turning around the whole team. Its nothing short of a miracle and more surprisingly azhar ali batted well.
 
Sarfraz was coach yes man mostly and worked together with the coaching staff which worked under Mickey but Misbah is not as experienced as Mickey to deal with such a captain.
 
Pretty much lived off the CT trophy win, hardly ever performed with the bat in 3 years or so he was in charge in ODIs. We need to actually pick an ODI captain whose worth place in side on merit going forward.
 
as a player he was mediocre at best
as captain, his teams achieved more than any other ODI/T20 captain in a decade - without question!
 
He also had the best players during his captaincy. No other captain had the likes of babar, shaheed, haris, imad,etc
 
Being better than Azhar Ali and Misbah at captaincy is nothing to do banghra over.
 
Bilal7 said:
He's got all three of their good qualities, plus something that those guys lacked. He has Afridi's charisma and bravado, Misbah's "leading from the front", taking responsibility and Azhar's calm and respectfulness.
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One person. So many talents.
 
watson367 said:
He also had the best players during his captaincy. No other captain had the likes of babar, shaheed, haris, imad,etc
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Takes a leader to bring the best out of players and allow them to blossom. I think he probably sacrificed his batting order (And hence his career) by developing others.
 
Even though we failed to win the Asia Cup and a series against any major team during his tenure as ODI captain, he will forever be remembered as captaining Pakistan to their biggest victory ever.

Some oldies might say that the 1992 WC has been the best moment in our cricket history, but the CT '17 win will always reign supreme for the younger fans.
 
Pakistans best wkt batsman ever. That says a lot about pak's wktkeepers legacy.

Only if he stepped down from captaincy he could have played for two more years.

He was surely a more responsible batsman than both latif and moin but he was unlucky as he didn't have advantage of playing in a strong batting side.

Moin and latif hid under inzi, yousuf, anwar, yoni, so there wasn't much expectations from them.

But in this era where wktkeepers need to be as good as a pure batsman he couldn't survive.

Obviously he's miles ahead of misbah as loi captain.
 
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