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Saudi Arabia signs mutual defence pact with nuclear-armed Pakistan – an attack on one will be considered an attack on both

Does the new defence pact with KSA imply that Saudi will defend Pakistan against Indian aggression?


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Pact declares any attack on Saudi Arabia or Pakistan an attack on both, deepening shared security alliance.


Saudi Arabia and nuclear-armed Pakistan have signed a formal mutual defense pact, state media from both countries said, in a move that significantly strengthens a decades-long security partnership.

“This agreement, which reflects the shared commitment of both nations to enhance their security and to achieving security and peace in the region and the world, aims to develop aspects of defense cooperation between the two countries and strengthen joint deterrence against any aggression. The agreement states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both,” a joint statement published on Wednesday said, according to the Saudi Press Agency.

The defence pact was based on the “historic partnership” between the two countries, the statement said, and “shared strategic interests and close defence cooperation”.

During their meeting in Riyadh on Wednesday, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif “discussed ways to enhance the strategic partnership between the two brotherly countries across various fields”, SPA said.

“They also exchanged views on regional and international developments, issues of common interest, and the efforts aimed at achieving security and stability.”

Sharif is currently on a state visit to Saudi Arabia.

“This agreement is a culmination of years of discussions. This is not a response to specific countries or specific events but an institutionalisation of longstanding and deep cooperation between our two countries,” a senior Saudi official told Reuters news agency when asked about its timing.

“This is a comprehensive defensive agreement that encompasses all military means,” the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said when asked whether the mutual defence pact included the use of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons if necessary.

The agreement between the two nations comes two days after an extraordinary joint session between the Arab League and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) was called, in the wake of Israel’s attack on the Qatari capital Doha on September 9.

Arab and Islamic nations widely condemned Israel’s attack, which targeted members of Hamas’s political leadership as they gathered to discuss a US-backed ceasefire proposal.

The senior Saudi official did emphasise that his country’s relationship with nuclear-armed India remained strong. India and Pakistan fought a brief war in May.

“Our relationship with India is more robust than it has ever been. We will continue to grow this relationship and seek to contribute to regional peace whichever way we can,” the official said.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have enjoyed close trade and military ties going back decades.

Since 1967, Pakistan has trained more than 8,200 Saudi armed forces personnel, and the two sides have also held several joint military exercises.

 
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'Mutual defence pact' .. or in other words, the Pakistani regime is renting out its army to the Arabs.
 
What does this actually mean in reality, is it just performative to ward off certain actors?
Saudis finally understanding that they need nuclear weapon threat against its adversaries. Nuclear weapons are the only real protection.

For Pakistan, it gets heavyweight backing for defence spending. Bad news for India all round.

What a blessing May 9 turned out to be. Thank you Modi.
 
They will probably just deport all their janitors back to India, we don’t expect the Saudis to do much fighting.
They will definitely be funding in arms deals and arrangements and will do the jets patrolling but don’t think the physical army will get involved.
 
They will definitely be funding in arms deals and arrangements and will do the jets patrolling but don’t think the physical army will get involved.

How useful is the Saudi Army anyways?

I’m sure they have nice equipment but are they any good at using them if need be so?
 
How useful is the Saudi Army anyways?

I’m sure they have nice equipment but are they any good at using them if need be so?
Saudis pay for their security by

- Keeping the hegemony of the dollar
- Buying equipment from US that will never be used

But seemingly that is not enough right now.

Pakistan will not use US equipment. It will be Chinese.
 
Hearing that Qatar and UAE to join in the next few hours.
How much will this annoy the US?

They were protecting Israel by having strongholds in the Middle East,

But it seems the ME are aligning themselves with a nuclear power that doesn’t recognise the state of Israel. Has the ME lost trust in the US?

Pakistan is still a strong ally for the US as well. What’s the game here?
 
Or this is all a ruse to get Pakistan to join in with the Abraham accords.
Hopefully not.

I have a feeling the Middle East have collectively realised that they are vulnerable with the US who will not have their best interest if it ever kicks off with Israel. The Qatar attack has forced their hand
 
How much will this annoy the US?

They were protecting Israel by having strongholds in the Middle East,

But it seems the ME are aligning themselves with a nuclear power that doesn’t recognise the state of Israel. Has the ME lost trust in the US?

Pakistan is still a strong ally for the US as well. What’s the game here?

How much will this annoy the US?

They were protecting Israel by having strongholds in the Middle East,

But it seems the ME are aligning themselves with a nuclear power that doesn’t recognise the state of Israel. Has the ME lost trust in the US?

Pakistan is still a strong ally for the US as well. What’s the game here?
US is to blame Israel for this , I don’t know for how long US going to keep protecting Israel and loses their paying allies.
 
This is more advantageous for SA than us. They are just scared the volatile Trump and Bibi may turn their guns on them next, that’s all. Israel is really pushing for greater encroachments into Arab lands now.
 
TBF I like our partnership with the US, but we know they will never come to our aid if push comes to shove.

Can we afford them as a hostile enemy though?
 
TBF I like our partnership with the US, but we know they will never come to our aid if push comes to shove.

Can we afford them as a hostile enemy though?

Doubt Saudi will either, it is to defend Saudi not Pak.
 
US can never be trusted as an ally to any country let alone a Muslim country.
That being said,

Can we afford them as an enemy? What if the narrative is switched from Iran to Pakistan? That we are a dangerous nuclear power that needs to be disarmed as we are a threat to the world?
 
When Saudi makes it official, rest assured Pakistan’s seat at the table will already be reserved.
What earth you are living in? Israel is looking forward to make greater Israel and no Arab country will be giving it their piece of land as a goodwill gesture of Abraham accord ,
 
How much will this annoy the US?

They were protecting Israel by having strongholds in the Middle East,

But it seems the ME are aligning themselves with a nuclear power that doesn’t recognise the state of Israel. Has the ME lost trust in the US?

Pakistan is still a strong ally for the US as well. What’s the game here?
The map of the Middle East is being redrawn and possibly new states to emerge out of Syria and Iraq who are in Israeli camp. Israel is straight up killing Arabs at will.

Events in May showed to the Arabs that Pakistan is very competent in fighting enemies bigger than itself and Chinese weaponry can hold its own so they need not go full in with US. The only country that China will allow to use its modern weaponry that closes resembles its own version is Pakistan. They will provide Pakistan the money to acquire as much as possible to have bases across the middles east.
 
That being said,

Can we afford them as an enemy? What if the narrative is switched from Iran to Pakistan? That we are a dangerous nuclear power that needs to be disarmed as we are a threat to the world?
Not likely under trump tenure surely but in future Ofcourse that will be narrative which will be made by India and supported by Israel in near future as an excuse to attack Pakistan.
 
Whilst this may look great on the outset

I’m still only inclined to have Pakistan’s best interest. We do not want to become the ones who take the fall if it is us on the frontline defending the Arab nations from Western oppression that uses Israel as it’s proxy
 
Whilst this may look great on the outset

I’m still only inclined to have Pakistan’s best interest. We do not want to become the ones who take the fall if it is us on the frontline defending the Arab nations from Western oppression that uses Israel as it’s proxy
Bro it will going to happen no matter what we wants because they’re all points to ends of times signs which are now clearly evident.
 
The Arabs at the end of the day will fall back into their lives of luxury and comfort. They will turn a blind eye as long as their lifestyle’s are not threatened


Pakistan could become the nation that becomes the lone target for trying to be the Akshay Kumar of the Muslim world.

We better know what we are getting into here.
 
Bro it will going to happen no matter what we wants because they’re all points to ends of times signs which are now clearly evident.
Do we have our own Samson project

Bhai agar hum doobain ghe tou sab ko leke doobain ghe!
 
The Arabs at the end of the day will fall back into their lives of luxury and comfort. They will turn a blind eye as long as their lifestyle’s are not threatened


Pakistan could become the nation that becomes the lone target for trying to be the Akshay Kumar of the Muslim world.

We better know what we are getting into here.
Sooner or later there will be battle of Armageddon which is pretty much evident now how the things are unfolding at the moment.
 
Not likely under trump tenure surely but in future Ofcourse that will be narrative which will be made by India and supported by Israel in near future as an excuse to attack Pakistan.
You can only best prepare yourself. The Arabs have the money and Pakistan a competent army that knows how to fight. The Arabs to ensure that its a strong fighting force equipped with whatever is necessary. Otherwise, the pact for the Arabs is meaningless if it's not going to be a very strong fighting force.
 
You can only best prepare yourself. The Arabs have the money and Pakistan a competent army that knows how to fight. The Arabs to ensure that its a strong fighting force equipped with whatever is necessary. Otherwise, the pact for the Arabs is meaningless if it's not going to be a very strong fighting force.
That depends upon the tenure of the pact. Does anyone knows about the time frame?

If it’s a for couple of years then they are just looking for immediate threat from Israel.
 
So what are we getting in return?

Hopefully not Rolls Royce cars as a return gift?
It is a mutual defense pact.

People will downplay it and make it sound like we are renting our army and getting nothing in return.

But it's significant. Majorly significant. A new NATO is being formed before us.

After Modis misadventures and the resulting embarrassment for India, a chain of events was set off that has resulted in the army of Pakistani being entrusted with the defence of the holiest sites in Islam.

Alhumdulilah what an outcome.
 
If this turns out to be the way I think it is... This will be monumental shift in the fortunes of Pakistan. I hope the generals and politicians don't get too greedy and squander this opportunity. The only fly in the ointment is Iran, if its proxies start bomobing Saudis, Qataris or UAE then Pakistan will have to step in and slap down Iran hard. Hopefully this will not happen but knowing the stupidity of the Iranian regime, I bet this is what is going to happen.
 
You can only best prepare yourself. The Arabs have the money and Pakistan a competent army that knows how to fight. The Arabs to ensure that its a strong fighting force equipped with whatever is necessary. Otherwise, the pact for the Arabs is meaningless if it's not going to be a very strong fighting force.
Bro my honest impression of Iran before the war with Israel was that they are a stronger army+force than Pakistan.

Although they were superb in their long range missile attacks, they were clearly no match for the Isreal Air Force.

In a full blown war against a top banked US Ally like Israel, how much of a chance do we actually stand at the moment? Do we have the equipment to destabilise their ADS? Do we have the the amount of Missile’s needed to sustain pressure like Iran did? Do we have the appropriate amount of fighter jets and of the same technology to take on state of the Art Lockheed Martin combat jets as acquired by the Israeli military?

IDF are c*nts but unlike Indian Military, they have the jiggar to fight wars!
 
That depends upon the tenure of the pact. Does anyone knows about the time frame?

If it’s a for couple of years then they are just looking for immediate threat from Israel.
You don't sign pacts with a time limitation. Portugal and England has pact that goes back 700 years.
 
Bro my honest impression of Iran before the war with Israel was that they are a stronger army+force than Pakistan.

Although they were superb in their long range missile attacks, they were clearly no match for the Isreal Air Force.

In a full blown war against a top banked US Ally like Israel, how much of a chance do we actually stand at the moment? Do we have the equipment to destabilise their ADS? Do we have the the amount of Missile’s needed to sustain pressure like Iran did? Do we have the appropriate amount of fighter jets and of the same technology to take on state of the Art Lockheed Martin combat jets as acquired by the Israeli military?

IDF are c*nts but unlike Indian Military, they have the jiggar to fight wars!
Without US interference Israel is no match for Pakistan. And I am pretty sure Iran will join hands if Pak attack Israel.
 
Well, with this pact I recon Sharif sab needs to ensure Pakistan purchases the best equipment available for Air Defence for itself.

I’m not too convinced about our ADS right now. It was found wanting at times during Sindoor.
 
Well, with this pact I recon Sharif sab needs to ensure Pakistan purchases the best equipment available for Air Defence for itself.

I’m not too convinced about our ADS right now. It was found wanting at times during Sindoor.
Agreed
 
Now watch pakistan get attacked by israel and that loon trump in the near future with possible indian involvement

And then watch the house of neanderthals do nothing and watch on .
 
But iran is a long term enemy of Israel and will definitely wants to wipe off the remains of Israel if Pak already beaten them to submission.
I get that, but it just doesn’t work that way unless Israel gets them involved by bombing them through cross fire.

Pakistan had no reason to intervene during Iran’s war. Iran is a proud nation and didn’t ask for help from anyone, but it didn’t mean everyone who could have helped just stood and watched.

Pakistan didn’t intervene, but Iran didn’t come to Pakistan’s aid either when it was fighting it’s own war against India tbf.
 
Now watch pakistan get attacked by israel and that loon trump in the near future with possible indian involvement

And then watch the house of neanderthals do nothing and watch on .
This is very likely, and this is what I am concerned about

Hopefully whatever Pakistan is signing up to doesnt deter their alliance with the US. They are our most important ally no matter how much people hate to accept this.
 
Bro my honest impression of Iran before the war with Israel was that they are a stronger army+force than Pakistan.

Although they were superb in their long range missile attacks, they were clearly no match for the Isreal Air Force.

In a full blown war against a top banked US Ally like Israel, how much of a chance do we actually stand at the moment? Do we have the equipment to destabilise their ADS? Do we have the the amount of Missile’s needed to sustain pressure like Iran did? Do we have the appropriate amount of fighter jets and of the same technology to take on state of the Art Lockheed Martin combat jets as acquired by the Israeli military?

IDF are c*nts but unlike Indian Military, they have the jiggar to fight wars!

The answer to your question is money. Pakistan doesn't have the deep pockets that the Saudis and co. have and thats why they are only ever in defensive mode. For once, the pit could be limitless, it's now down to them to acquire the best alternative capabilities that they can. The Chinese manufacturing capacity is far greater than US or Europe. That is a key point to remember. There is a finite amount of ADS missiles you have at any given time. If it gets pin pointed where the stock piles are etc... Its game over.

The Chinese have a very capable alternative satellite system, even their own version of GPS, which Pakistan is integrated into and it came in handy in shocking the world in May.
 
They will probably just deport all their janitors back to India, we don’t expect the Saudis to do much fighting.
Too bad then, all those beggars are not good at a hard days work of blue collar labor to act as replacement. Typical welfare scrounging behavior 👇.


Also typical frustrated Pakistani thinking- toilets, cleaning etc , there is also something called a huge trade at stake.

Anyway I don’t think this has anything to do with India; maybe few Pakjabi or Mohajir foot soldiers fighting Arab’s war lol.

Going to screen shot this before it gets deleted like a lot of other predictions I made. Wil revisit later.
 
Well, with this pact I recon Sharif sab needs to ensure Pakistan purchases the best equipment available for Air Defence for itself.

I’m not too convinced about our ADS right now. It was found wanting at times during Sindoor.
Hypersonic missiles are very hard to defend against as even Israel found out. Yes ofcourse ADS has to be a priority.

Remember, Israel has a disadvantage that it is a very small landmass. Imagine 20k drones being launched at a time from close to it.
 
Hypersonic missiles are very hard to defend against as even Israel found out. Yes ofcourse ADS has to be a priority.

Remember, Israel has a disadvantage that it is a very small landmass. Imagine 20k drones being launched at a time from close to it.
I suspect hypersonic missiles are not as cheap to acquire because they obviously do penetrate, and they are your ace cards to hit any target that you want demolished. There are probably sanctions too from the UN or US as to how many a nation can possess too?
 
Defence pacts are usually not good for peace, hope it doesn’t trigger a chain of them. Could lead to a world war.
 
I suspect hypersonic missiles are not as cheap to acquire because they obviously do penetrate, and they are your ace cards to hit any target that you want demolished. There are probably sanctions too from the UN or US as to how many a nation can possess too?
No, it's conventional weaponry just flying at very high speed.
 
Pact declares any attack on Saudi Arabia or Pakistan an attack on both, deepening shared security alliance.


Saudi Arabia and nuclear-armed Pakistan have signed a formal mutual defense pact, state media from both countries said, in a move that significantly strengthens a decades-long security partnership.

“This agreement, which reflects the shared commitment of both nations to enhance their security and to achieving security and peace in the region and the world, aims to develop aspects of defense cooperation between the two countries and strengthen joint deterrence against any aggression. The agreement states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both,” a joint statement published on Wednesday said, according to the Saudi Press Agency.

The defence pact was based on the “historic partnership” between the two countries, the statement said, and “shared strategic interests and close defence cooperation”.

During their meeting in Riyadh on Wednesday, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif “discussed ways to enhance the strategic partnership between the two brotherly countries across various fields”, SPA said.

“They also exchanged views on regional and international developments, issues of common interest, and the efforts aimed at achieving security and stability.”

Sharif is currently on a state visit to Saudi Arabia.

“This agreement is a culmination of years of discussions. This is not a response to specific countries or specific events but an institutionalisation of longstanding and deep cooperation between our two countries,” a senior Saudi official told Reuters news agency when asked about its timing.

“This is a comprehensive defensive agreement that encompasses all military means,” the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said when asked whether the mutual defence pact included the use of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons if necessary.

The agreement between the two nations comes two days after an extraordinary joint session between the Arab League and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) was called, in the wake of Israel’s attack on the Qatari capital Doha on September 9.

Arab and Islamic nations widely condemned Israel’s attack, which targeted members of Hamas’s political leadership as they gathered to discuss a US-backed ceasefire proposal.

The senior Saudi official did emphasise that his country’s relationship with nuclear-armed India remained strong. India and Pakistan fought a brief war in May.

“Our relationship with India is more robust than it has ever been. We will continue to grow this relationship and seek to contribute to regional peace whichever way we can,” the official said.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have enjoyed close trade and military ties going back decades.

Since 1967, Pakistan has trained more than 8,200 Saudi armed forces personnel, and the two sides have also held several joint military exercises.

  1. For Islam & Pakistan: Don't like this!
  2. For India: Your predicament got way way worse! This means Pakistan Army will be armed to the teeth!
 
Defence pacts are usually not good for peace, hope it doesn’t trigger a chain of them. Could lead to a world war.
These bilateral agreements happen all the time: not saying it because it’s Pakistan but for any country 99% time it’s semantics.

Don’t think Pakistan will directly engage with Israel which is Saudi’s biggest threat.

Don’t think Saudi will involve in matters with India which is a huge trading partner; has cordial bilateral relations (India even voted in favor of Palestine recently). Obviously India being Pakistan’s biggest threat.

Not sure where Iran pictures in here though. They do have issues with both Saudi and Pakistan even though they might be on the same page on Israel-Palestine.

India has great relations with both Iran and Saudi. Some Pakistanis think India’s diplomacy policy is anti-Palestine just because they see some social media trolling in favor of Israel etc lol. Remember Modi receiving some high honor a few years back from some Palestine higher ups before the whole conflict started. So there is absolutely nothing that impacts India in this whole deal.

Having said that world politics are so complicated.
 
We all know this is just a public stunt. Neither country will do anything without their boss America telling them what to do.
 
This is very likely, and this is what I am concerned about

Hopefully whatever Pakistan is signing up to doesnt deter their alliance with the US. They are our most important ally no matter how much people hate to accept this.
I don't think you have to much to worry about on the US front... the Saudi Monarachy is heavily reliant on the US and I doubt there will be any major geopolitical shift...

If anything, this deal strengthens Pakistan's position against India and will fill the pockets of the Pakistan Treasury...
 
Too bad then, all those beggars are not good at a hard days work of blue collar labor to act as replacement. Typical welfare scrounging behavior 👇.


Also typical frustrated Pakistani thinking- toilets, cleaning etc , there is also something called a huge trade at stake.

Anyway I don’t think this has anything to do with India; maybe few Pakjabi or Mohajir foot soldiers fighting Arab’s war lol.

Going to screen shot this before it gets deleted like a lot of other predictions I made. Wil revisit later.
I expect the scam calls from India to here in America go up now. All these deported janitors would go join govt sponsored and backed call centers scamming poor Americans out of their hard earned savings.
 
I am guessing someone with Indian accent will soon be calling me to update my tv box for free soon.
 
This is very likely, and this is what I am concerned about

Hopefully whatever Pakistan is signing up to doesnt deter their alliance with the US. They are our most important ally no matter how much people hate to accept this.
This is done with the full knowledge, consent and blessings of US, the entire economic and defense ecosystem of Saudi Arabia relies on US and there is no way that they will knock that off and rely on Pakistan!

US in onboard with this.

I expect the scam calls from India to here in America go up now. All these deported janitors would go join govt sponsored and backed call centers scamming poor Americans out of their hard earned savings.
I am guessing someone with Indian accent will soon be calling me to update my tv box for free soon.

As they say...

"It" got real for India and Indians today...They will no longer get a free pass in the Middle East

There is no way to spin this "This deal is a disaster for Hindutva and their dreams of Akhund Bharat"

At the minimum Arabs will now ensure that Pakistan is armed to the teeth and able to project power way beyond its borders, quickly, effectively and decisively
 
These bilateral agreements happen all the time: not saying it because it’s Pakistan but for any country 99% time it’s semantics.

Don’t think Pakistan will directly engage with Israel which is Saudi’s biggest threat.

Don’t think Saudi will involve in matters with India which is a huge trading partner; has cordial bilateral relations (India even voted in favor of Palestine recently). Obviously India being Pakistan’s biggest threat.

Not sure where Iran pictures in here though. They do have issues with both Saudi and Pakistan even though they might be on the same page on Israel-Palestine.

India has great relations with both Iran and Saudi. Some Pakistanis think India’s diplomacy policy is anti-Palestine just because they see some social media trolling in favor of Israel etc lol. Remember Modi receiving some high honor a few years back from some Palestine higher ups before the whole conflict started. So there is absolutely nothing that impacts India in this whole deal.

Having said that world politics are so complicated.
This isn’t a bilateral agreement, it’s a strategic defence pact. It’s a mutually agreed partnership that focuses specifically on defence. It’s a bit more than the usual stuff we see between countries. It’s only a problem if other countries follow, namely GCC countries. This kind of thing obviously creates suspicion amongst countries if it wasn’t already there.

That’s surely unlikely though.

It may be just be a formalisation of previous understandings between SA-PAK.
 
This is done with the full knowledge, consent and blessings of US, the entire economic and defense ecosystem of Saudi Arabia relies on US and there is no way that they will knock that off and rely on Pakistan!

US in onboard with this.




As they say...

"It" got real for India and Indians today...They will no longer get a free pass in the Middle East

There is no way to spin this "This deal is a disaster for Hindutva and their dreams of Akhund Bharat"

At the minimum Arabs will now ensure that Pakistan is armed to the teeth and able to project power way beyond its borders, quickly, effectively and decisively
Yes, Pakistan is firmly back in the US camp now. India has proved no worth to the US under Trump.
 
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