Selfish captaincy by Wahab Riaz, Shadab Khan and Imad Wasim during PSL 5

[moghul]

None of Wahab, Shadab or Imad are front line batsmen but they promoted themselves ahead of proper batsmen, who were waiting for their chance in PSL.

Wahab batted one down in a lost match , since when he is a one down batsman ? Batsmen like Haider ALI and Umar Amin and Malik were pushed back, did it make any sense ?

Today, why did Imad came ahead of Iftikjar and Walton, he almost lost the match.

Shadab: suddenly has become a front line batsman, batting at his will and bowling at his will, Yes he had played some good knocks but why denying others from this opportunity , even Ingram and Asif batted after him. He also kept Zafar at the benches until later in the league. Thanks to Shadab's " leading from the front" his team ended up at the bottom of the table.

 

[Rayyman]

Lol at Walton and Iftikhar being proper batsmen. The former cannot play a hint of spin and is a hack while the latter’s performances in the tournament speak for themselves.

 

[Hasan123]

Indian and Pakistan fans are obsessed with the word selfish lol.

Why is it so hard to admit that players and coaches aren't good? Why is such a dent in your ego?

 

[PakPremi]

Wahab promoting himself does not make sense but it is ok for Imad and Shadab to promote themselves for tactical reason. Imad is effective scorer and has won many matches with his contribution. Players after him were not much better than him.
As for Shadab he felt he was in good knick and can contribute well higher up and proved it. Batsmen behind him have been in poor form; Asif A Is not even a batsman.

 

[Forum363]

Funnily enough, the only non selfish captain has been Shan. He put himself down to number 3 so that Zeeshan Ashraf could open.

That’s why Multan have been such a clinical side this tournament.

 

[moghul]

Funnily enough, the only non selfish captain has been Shan. He put himself down to number 3 so that Zeeshan Ashraf could open.

That’s why Multan have been such a clinical side this tournament.

And, 3 in 1 captain of UI lead his team to the bottom of the table.

 

[Rana]

Damn right Sohail Akhtar

How else is he going to show that he is more deserving than clowns such as Fakhar Zaman, Imam ul Haq, Ahsan Ali, Mohammad Rizwan who all have been given the chance to represent Pakistan in the last 6 months whilst this guy has never been given a chance

 

[PakPremi]

Indian and Pakistan fans are obsessed with the word selfish lol.

Why is it so hard to admit that players and coaches aren't good? Why is such a dent in your ego?

That is also not the case as far as Pak players are concerned. In today's game for instance Zafar, Shadab,Sharjeel,Musa, Usama, Akif, Babar, Amir, Imad are all good players. Youngsters just need more confidence and more exposure internationally and perhaps domestically as well for some. How hard is it to admit Pak players have suffered last 10 years without much international games, and also poor selections.

 

[Rayyman]

Damn right Sohail Akhtar

How else is he going to show that he is more deserving than clowns such as Fakhar Zaman, Imam ul Haq, Ahsan Ali, Mohammad Rizwan who all have been given the chance to represent Pakistan in the last 6 months whilst this guy has never been given a chance

Lol if Fakhar, Imam and Rizwan are clowns then what is Sohail.

You act as if the guy has scored hundreds vs Australia, India and a WC hundred. Oh wait maybe he has a double hundred in ODIs, no I don’t think so.

 

[Hasan123]

That is also not the case as far as Pak players are concerned. In today's game for instance Zafar, Shadab,Sharjeel,Musa, Usama, Akif, Babar, Amir, Imad are all good players. Youngsters just need more confidence and more exposure internationally and perhaps domestically as well for some. How hard is it to admit Pak players have suffered last 10 years without much international games, and also poor selections.

A lot of the time a player isn't good enough in a certain situation or a player overall isn't good enough. But we still talk about selfishness.

For instance Misbah is called selfish for the 2011 WC. He wasn't good enough to chase that down as he has no game against pace. Dhoni covered his hotspots against spin and we were done for. Yet people talk about him being selfish.

 

[Syed1]

Tbf Sohail shouldn't be in the selfish list... he was batting at 6 and 7 throughout the tournament and when LQ kept floundering he pushed himself to open. Then proceeded to smash two fifties and was a major factor in LQ's late revival in the tournament.


Wahab coming in at one-down in a must win game has to be the worst decision in the history of decisions.

 

[PakPremi]

Hasan123 I agree with you on Selfish part fans are quick to judge players and expect them to suddenly do something which they are not capable of. Also some players are criticised for playing a shot which when it pays off is great but when ends up dismissing them then they are called stupid.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Sohail Akhtar opening paid off and I think he’s doing a great job.

Shadab again he done a great job and this is what I’ve been wanting to see from him for quite some time. The jobbers like malik and hafeez have been pulling our allrounders back with coming in selfishly ahead when the match situation isn’t too bad.

Wahab riaz promotion was a brainless tactic for attention as he knows he won’t get picked for the WC.

 

[Forum363]

And, 3 in 1 captain of UI lead his team to the bottom of the table.

I was completely and utterly against Shadabs appointment but credit where it’s due, he has really stood up. His performance with the bat has been nothing short of outstanding and to be the second best Pakistani batsman after Babar speaks volumes for how much he has upped his game.

Add to that his fantastic fielding and improvement in bowling and he has done more than what could have been expected. Of course he has a lot to learn as captain but at 20ish years old, to lead a side with such performance is brilliant.

The fact that all his ‘allrounders’ flopped consistently, no one supported him with the bat apart from Ronchi and the shambolic team selections are the reason Islu ended up at the bottom with a champion team.

 

[moghul]

Shaan Masood, poor personal performance, selfless captaincy: Team at the top

Shadab: good personal performance, selfish captaincy ; team at the bottom.

 

[Rayyman]

Shaan Masood, poor personal performance, selfless captaincy: Team at the top

Shadab: good personal performance, selfish captaincy ; team at the bottom.

Since when did Shadab have a good performance lol. People really need to watch the matches then talk. Stats aren’t everything.

 

[Forum363]

Since when did Shadab have a good performance lol. People really need to watch the matches then talk. Stats aren’t everything.

Since he was the best Pakistan batsman at the PSL this year after Babar. In the top 5 run scorers at 160 strike rate. Second highest number of 6s too.

Please explain how that’s a bad performance? What exactly do the stats not show?

 

[PakPremi]

Some people cant see beyond personal likes and dislikes.

 

[PakPremi]

Since when did Shadab have a good performance lol. People really need to watch the matches then talk. Stats aren’t everything.

Did you actually watch the games, he batted really well,bowled good in enough games, and his captaincy was not bad at all considering his first stint and young age. Fielding of course no arguments.

 

[moghul]

Did you actually watch the games, he batted really well,bowled good in enough games, and his captaincy was not bad at all considering his first stint and young age. Fielding of course no arguments.

Shadab's personal performance was good but he doesn;t look like a promising captain. Every time team was under some pressure he looked confused and had now idea of field placing or bowling changes. Surprisingly Misbah was also not of any help for him.

 

[ads101]

Was gonna make a thread about this. Shadab, Riaz, Imad all selfish. They are bowlers, doesn't matter if they perform with the bat in PSL, they aren't getting dropped from their side. But by batting up the order they are depriving batsmen trying to push for an international PSL spot. I wouldn't put Sohail there as from what I understand he's actually a batsman. And given that all will likely bat at 7/8 etc. in the international team, I'd like to see what they can contribute at that position, not higher up. There's also less pressure on these three, they know it doesn't matter if they fail with the bat as they're picked for bowling, they already have international places.

Straight up unfair to batsmen. I mean how would the bowlers feel when instead of bowling their quota, a batsman does it instead and they don't get a chance to display their skills in PSL.

 

[Rana]

Lol if Fakhar, Imam and Rizwan are clowns then what is Sohail.

You act as if the guy has scored hundreds vs Australia, India and a WC hundred. Oh wait maybe he has a double hundred in ODIs, no I don’t think so.

Stop acting as if you think I am talking out of context here

We are talking about T20. Imam ul Haq opened against Australia, in Australia in a T20

 

[moghul]

Was gonna make a thread about this. Shadab, Riaz, Imad all selfish. They are bowlers, doesn't matter if they perform with the bat in PSL, they aren't getting dropped from their side. But by batting up the order they are depriving batsmen trying to push for an international PSL spot. I wouldn't put Sohail there as from what I understand he's actually a batsman. And given that all will likely bat at 7/8 etc. in the international team, I'd like to see what they can contribute at that position, not higher up. There's also less pressure on these three, they know it doesn't matter if they fail with the bat as they're picked for bowling, they already have international places.

Straight up unfair to batsmen. I mean how would the bowlers feel when instead of bowling their quota, a batsman does it instead and they don't get a chance to display their skills in PSL.

That was exactly my point, thanks for putting it in a nice way.

Most of the batting positions in PSL are filled by foreign players and very limited chances are avialble for local batsmen, even those are taken by oldies like Hafeez, Malik and Akmal. Whatever chances left for new local batsmen were taken by the bowler-captains to enjoy some batting while they are the captains.

 

[Hasan123]

Hasan123 I agree with you on Selfish part fans are quick to judge players and expect them to suddenly do something which they are not capable of. Also some players are criticised for playing a shot which when it pays off is great but when ends up dismissing them then they are called stupid.

If a player scores 10 off 2 he is called a hack and stupid. If a player gets 20 off 30 balls, he is called selfish even though during an innings that long you will see the weaknesses of that batter.

It's against our ego to admit we aren't good enough. This applies to Indian fans as well. I have seen plenty of Indians say their players are selfish.

 

[Rayyman]

Stop acting as if you think I am talking out of context here

We are talking about T20. Imam ul Haq opened against Australia, in Australia in a T20

I do think Akhtar should be given a chance in Pak. middle order. Definitely better than PP darlings Shady and Haider. But as opener there are better options.

 

[Rayyman]

Did you actually watch the games, he batted really well,bowled good in enough games, and his captaincy was not bad at all considering his first stint and young age. Fielding of course no arguments.

Yea of course youngster and his first time playing PSL. Should bat at #3 for Pakistan in all formats.

Happy?

 

[hitthestump]

Another pointless thread complaining about nothing.

Sohail Akhtar is a batsman. Imad and Wahab have rarely promoted themselves, and in any case Wahab obviously came in as a pinch hitter. Shadab has done enough at 4.

 

[Forum363]

Another pointless thread complaining about nothing.

Sohail Akhtar is a batsman. Imad and Wahab have rarely promoted themselves, and in any case Wahab obviously came in as a pinch hitter. Shadab has done enough at 4.

Whats the need for a pinch hitter in a relatively easy chase with in form batsmen to come?

 

[hitthestump]

Whats the need for a pinch hitter in a relatively easy chase with in form batsmen to come?

You can't think of a single logical reason why this may be a good strategy facing a small total?

Perhaps it's more likely that 34 year old Wahab got out of bed that day and decided he just fancied a hit for the hell of it.

 

[Forum363]

You can't think of a single logical reason why this may be a good strategy facing a small total?

Perhaps it's more likely that 34 year old Wahab got out of bed that day and decided he just fancied a hit for the hell of it.

Exactly, it makes no sense whatsoever. Did you watch the match? It's not like Wahab went out there swinging. He was wasting deliveries trying to pretend to be a batsman. Why would you mess up a batting line up to chase an average score? Theres far more risk than just playing normal cricket and letting the in form players knock the runs off.

 

[Hawkeye]

Shadab and Wahab were very openly horrible at this.

Imad too who kept Umer out.

Ultimately, Shadab promoting himself over hitters cost us multiple times.

Wahab followed Shadab and they lost the last match lol.

 

[Forum363]

You can't think of a single logical reason why this may be a good strategy facing a small total?

Perhaps it's more likely that 34 year old Wahab got out of bed that day and decided he just fancied a hit for the hell of it.

And its clear why Wahab went out there. To be a hero and put himself in contention for the World Cup squad. Gives him an edge over the younger better bowlers like Hasnain and Naseem if he can bat a bit.

Selfish move which cost his team the match.

 

[Hawkeye]

Was gonna make a thread about this. Shadab, Riaz, Imad all selfish. They are bowlers, doesn't matter if they perform with the bat in PSL, they aren't getting dropped from their side. But by batting up the order they are depriving batsmen trying to push for an international PSL spot. I wouldn't put Sohail there as from what I understand he's actually a batsman. And given that all will likely bat at 7/8 etc. in the international team, I'd like to see what they can contribute at that position, not higher up. There's also less pressure on these three, they know it doesn't matter if they fail with the bat as they're picked for bowling, they already have international places.

Straight up unfair to batsmen. I mean how would the bowlers feel when instead of bowling their quota, a batsman does it instead and they don't get a chance to display their skills in PSL.

Good post. It's not only about being unfair.

Disturbs the team combination and the batters or hitters when pushed down, affects their rhythm as well.

Shadab has to make the team on his bowling first.

 

[Forum363]

Shadab and Wahab were very openly horrible at this.

Imad too who kept Umer out.

Ultimately, Shadab promoting himself over hitters cost us multiple times.

Wahab followed Shadab and they lost the last match lol.

Can you actually give some examples of how Shadab promoting himself about the hitters cost you matches? Which multiple times did it happen exactly?

 

[Hawkeye]

Can you actually give some examples of how Shadab promoting himself about the hitters cost you matches? Which multiple times did it happen exactly?

The times when it was very obvious is the 9 overs match and second today's game.

Of course, you're gonna pull some lame stats but they don't tell it disturbed the rhythm, batting order and the 9 overs match he also killed the momentum after coming in, only later tried to accelerate.

 

[hafizexpress]

None of Wahab, Shadab or Imad are front line batsmen but they promoted themselves ahead of proper batsmen, who were waiting for their chance in PSL.

Wahab batted one down in a lost match , since when he is a one down batsman ? Batsmen like Haider ALI and Umar Amin and Malik were pushed back, did it make any sense ?

Today, why did Imad came ahead of Iftikjar and Walton, he almost lost the match.

Shadab: suddenly has become a front line batsman, batting at his will and bowling at his will, Yes he had played some good knocks but why denying others from this opportunity , even Ingram and Asif batted after him. He also kept Zafar at the benches until later in the league. Thanks to Shadab's " leading from the front" his team ended up at the bottom of the table.

Your points are absolute nonsense besides that of Wahab. His decision to come up the order was just to make him seem cool but it completely backfired and hopefully he realizes that he belongs nowhere near that batting position.

As for Imad and Shadab, they absolutely deserve to be batting where they went up to bat. They didn't perform today and all of a sudden they don't belong there. Shadab especially made the right choice. He's clearly been the best bat of his team next to Ronchi.

 

[hafizexpress]

Was gonna make a thread about this. Shadab, Riaz, Imad all selfish. They are bowlers, doesn't matter if they perform with the bat in PSL, they aren't getting dropped from their side. But by batting up the order they are depriving batsmen trying to push for an international PSL spot. I wouldn't put Sohail there as from what I understand he's actually a batsman. And given that all will likely bat at 7/8 etc. in the international team, I'd like to see what they can contribute at that position, not higher up. There's also less pressure on these three, they know it doesn't matter if they fail with the bat as they're picked for bowling, they already have international places.

Straight up unfair to batsmen. I mean how would the bowlers feel when instead of bowling their quota, a batsman does it instead and they don't get a chance to display their skills in PSL.

Players coming out of PSL for international spots is just a bonus. First and foremost, winning is important for these franchises, and that is what teams aim for.

Riaz's decision today was indeed extremely selfish, but Shadab and Imad's decisions were warranted. Shadab has been the best batsman of his team next to Ronchi and has played wonderful innings so clearly he deserves batting. Imad doesn't even have many decent batsmen after him. To say them batting is like a batsman bowling a bowler's quota is a delusional statement.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

wahab's decision was not selfish. it was silly but to be fair he has batted at 3 before and scored few fifties at that position.As far as people saying he won't be selected in wt20.He is best t20 bowler Present in Pakistan and best death over bowler in world.He surely gonna be in squad for world t20.

 

[shamaan]

None of Wahab, Shadab or Imad are front line batsmen but they promoted themselves ahead of proper batsmen, who were waiting for their chance in PSL.

Wahab batted one down in a lost match , since when he is a one down batsman ? Batsmen like Haider ALI and Umar Amin and Malik were pushed back, did it make any sense ?

Today, why did Imad came ahead of Iftikjar and Walton, he almost lost the match.

Shadab: suddenly has become a front line batsman, batting at his will and bowling at his will, Yes he had played some good knocks but why denying others from this opportunity , even Ingram and Asif batted after him. He also kept Zafar at the benches until later in the league. Thanks to Shadab's " leading from the front" his team ended up at the bottom of the table.

Agreed that wahab shouldn't have come in that early as hes only used to batting 30 balls max and doesnt have the temperament.

Imad and shadab is different case becouse they genuinely can bat overs.Shadab is much better that asif sorry to say and he has won games for Islamabad but asif hasnt made anything at all.

 

[Slim]

Shadab and Wahab were very openly horrible at this.

Imad too who kept Umer out.

Ultimately, Shadab promoting himself over hitters cost us multiple times.

Wahab followed Shadab and they lost the last match lol.

The honesty is refreshing.

 

[Slim]

And its clear why Wahab went out there. To be a hero and put himself in contention for the World Cup squad. Gives him an edge over the younger better bowlers like Hasnain and Naseem if he can bat a bit.

Selfish move which cost his team the match.

He treated the match like its gully cricket.

 

[GreenKhan]

I am glad Shadab promoted himself . He was bold enough to make the move , and showed that he is more than capable as a batsman . In fact long term this will also be beneficial for Pakistan , if our management decides to utilise his batting properly he could be batting in the top 6 for Pakistan and become an all round asset.

Why is that selfish ? Islamabad United’s top 3 were all overseas players . You have the likes of Talat, Asif Ali who were behind him , who are just not consistent enough. He took responsibility and that shows courage .
If he was batting down the order I’m sure a post would have been created that he is “hiding away”.
I’m also sure he played Rizwan Hussain in the top 3 as well.

As a batsman he delivered . His team faltered but if he learns from this then it’s a win -win situation.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

None of Wahab, Shadab or Imad are front line batsmen but they promoted themselves ahead of proper batsmen, who were waiting for their chance in PSL.

Wahab batted one down in a lost match , since when he is a one down batsman ? Batsmen like Haider ALI and Umar Amin and Malik were pushed back, did it make any sense ?

Today, why did Imad came ahead of Iftikjar and Walton, he almost lost the match.

Shadab: suddenly has become a front line batsman, batting at his will and bowling at his will, Yes he had played some good knocks but why denying others from this opportunity , even Ingram and Asif batted after him. He also kept Zafar at the benches until later in the league. Thanks to Shadab's " leading from the front" his team ended up at the bottom of the table.

Wahab was the most stupid one ...... Imad was selfish not to play Umar Khan properly and so was Shadab... they moivng up the order was actually a good thing bcz gives them practice to play in pressure situation

PSL is not the place where the batsmen are made... domestic is the place for that

 

[TrentDevil]

Shan has been the best captain hands down, in all aspects of the game

 

[PakPremi]

Another pointless thread complaining about nothing.

Sohail Akhtar is a batsman. Imad and Wahab have rarely promoted themselves, and in any case Wahab obviously came in as a pinch hitter. Shadab has done enough at 4.

Sensible post at last. Much a do about nothing. Which legend and in form players was Shadab blocking. Lol at Rayyman completing missing the youngster point as a captain not as a player.
They all trying different tactics different time with management approval. Why personally attack them as if they are some dictator captains.

 

[PakPremi]

Shan has been the best captain hands down, in all aspects of the game

No doubt about that. Has batted ok as well considering he has limited stroke ability.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Shadab and Imad promoting themselves is actually good for Pakistan. The middle order spots are up for grabs in T20s and if both can turn into reasonable batsmen, Pakistan will be able to finally get rid of Hafeez and Malik and accommodate a slogger in the lower order and a specialist spinner to strengthen bowling.