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Senator Shahi Syed suggests death penalty for Politicians who consume Alcohol

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Islam prohibits consuming alcohol. So on a personal level I am against consuming alcohol and I see nothing wrong in this commandment of Allah.

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Consuming alcohol is deemed a personal act. Is it a bigger Sin or Crime than Corruption, Injustice which affects masses ?


Interesting to know that he does not see any harm in people smoking " Chars " ie Cannabis " and calls it an act of " Darvesh " ie Saint Aspirant.

So all Saints (Naoozbillah) became Saints after smoking Chars ? (Blasphemy for me)


I do have inclination towards Cannabis receptors as a Scientist and I shall be working on them very soon InshaAllah.


Give your comments on Shahi Syed sahib's opinion/advice.


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This guy should be banned from ever holding a position in Government. A person willing to take people's life with little care should never have power over other people.
 
never underestimate the power of alcohol and never think it is minor sin as compared to others. alcohol will hit you hard and it will cause you committing those sins which you think were bigger sins compared to alcohol consumption. alcohol is the single biggest destroyer of life.
 
When you hear things like this it is very concerning. Seems like Pakistan is becoming more "reserved".
 
srh said:
never underestimate the power of alcohol and never think it is minor sin as compared to others. alcohol will hit you hard and it will cause you committing those sins which you think were bigger sins compared to alcohol consumption. alcohol is the single biggest destroyer of life.
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Alcohol will only exaggerate your character. Plenty of people consume without ever having their lives impacted including most of the athletes. Consuming alcohol is one thing but being addicted with an idiotic personality and consuming alcohol everyday is on another level. Even though the negative affect of alcohol is exaggerated but no alcohol is still better than consuming alcohol even if it is just 2, 4% beers once a week.
 
Sure, why not....
but first , can we plz put the death penalty for Corruption, Land grabing, bhatta mafia , so that no common rickshaw wala will have dozens of petrol pumps in less thn a decade with corruption/land grabing/bhatta money ....
those who dont know Shahi syed, need to know that he lead the massive land grabbing and bhatta mafia in his so called "Mardan house" .... and he personally collect the land grabing money ....
I know this person very well ....
Karachi is just a golden goose for these type of people ....
 
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Mohammad Ali Jinnah would've been put to death if this clown had his way then.

The problem right now with prohibition is that you have what's called katchi sharab being sold by illegal brewers. These are basically tainted homebrew spirits.

32 people from the Christian community infact died over the Christmas period due to this tainted liquor.
 
This guy is one of the most despicable persons in Karachi politics

Responsible for so many deaths.
 
srh said:
never underestimate the power of alcohol and never think it is minor sin as compared to others. alcohol will hit you hard and it will cause you committing those sins which you think were bigger sins compared to alcohol consumption. alcohol is the single biggest destroyer of life.
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Let me guess, you have never tasted a sip of alcohol and have no idea what actually happens upon consuming alcohol beyond what has been drilled into your head by religious scholars?

Anything in excess is bad. Smoke enough, and you will get lung cancer and give it to those around you. Eat enough french fries, and you will get heart disease, diabetes, etc.
 
Having it right now,surely an escape from all the cruelty in the world Sir Syed and your massive corruption scandals which u have done or will do in future if elected.
 
A really moronic statement by this person.

Should be ignored
 
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Third_Umpire said:
Let me guess, you have never tasted a sip of alcohol and have no idea what actually happens upon consuming alcohol beyond what has been drilled into your head by religious scholars?

Anything in excess is bad. Smoke enough, and you will get lung cancer and give it to those around you. Eat enough french fries, and you will get heart disease, diabetes, etc.
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The Senator is clearly a lunatic....

But..comparing alcohol to French fries. lol.
 
state of pakistani politics.....corruption, extortionate, land grabs all good (as of course those according to some are ok) but alcohol is evil.
and those who try and say oh it is ok need to really wake up and look around and see the damage done by all the other activities.
 
KingKhanWC said:
The Senator is clearly a lunatic....

But..comparing alcohol to French fries. lol.
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Why not, if you are talking about substances that can harm your physical and mental state. Alcohol if used in moderation has no negative consequences (in fact certain types can have benefits).

I realize that one is explicitly banned by religion, so it carries extra burden or weight of negativity and stigma. But if you were to put that aside, there isn't much difference.
 
Third_Umpire said:
Why not, if you are talking about substances that can harm your physical and mental state. Alcohol if used in moderation has no negative consequences (in fact certain types can have benefits).

I realize that one is explicitly banned by religion, so it carries extra burden or weight of negativity and stigma. But if you were to put that aside, there isn't much difference.
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I'm not speaking from a religious perspective here.

I can eat a kg of French fries every day. Now if I'm fit and active this will have minimal impact on myself. Try drinking a litre of vodka each day, no matter how fit and active you are the damage is immense.

I can eat a 10kg of French fries every day, this will impact my health but only my health. If I drink bottles of vodka every day, I can potentially harm others around me.

Point being alcohol is a danger to society and not just to the individual. It is so widespeard , it cannot be compared to any other drug/intoxicant.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I'm not speaking from a religious perspective here.

I can eat a kg of French fries every day. Now if I'm fit and active this will have minimal impact on myself. Try drinking a litre of vodka each day, no matter how fit and active you are the damage is immense.

I can eat a 10kg of French fries every day, this will impact my health but only my health. If I drink bottles of vodka every day, I can potentially harm others around me.

Point being alcohol is a danger to society and not just to the individual. It is so widespeard , it cannot be compared to any other drug/intoxicant.
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Not sure if I can agree with this, as they extreme examples. I think my larger point remains that anything in excess is going to do you harm, not just alcohol. If you were eating French Fries every day, no amount of exercise would help you. Diet is ~80% the cause of your overall health, exercise is a small factor.

I also don't think that alcohol abuse necessarily leads to harming others. This may be how alcohol abuse is presented in movies, but in reality it's one of the many ways it can affect someone.

As far as danger to society, there are several things that would go ahead of alcohol on the list. Smoking, drugs, poor diet (did you know that animal meat is a leading cause of cancer and genetic mutation in the human body, and sugar is being called the new heroine of our times?), etc are all more pervasive and unregulated than alcohol.

In most countries, alcohol is regulated and there are strict laws against abusing it, specially as it relates to what impact it can have on others. Drunk driving carries a hefty fine and jail time, alcohol induced violence leads to jail time, and so on, and alcohol is never accepted as an alibi for any crime, serious or otherwise.

I fail to see how alcohol is any more dangerous than a plethora of other things, when used irresponsibly.
 
My beloved Prophet Mohammad e Arabi Pbuh called drinking " Ummul Khabbaiss " mother of all evils.


I shall write a lengthy description on socio economic aswell as health impacts of drinking and gambling on any society. (Need some time)
 
Third_Umpire said:
Not sure if I can agree with this, as they extreme examples. I think my larger point remains that anything in excess is going to do you harm, not just alcohol. If you were eating French Fries every day, no amount of exercise would help you. Diet is ~80% the cause of your overall health, exercise is a small factor.

I also don't think that alcohol abuse necessarily leads to harming others. This may be how alcohol abuse is presented in movies, but in reality it's one of the many ways it can affect someone.

As far as danger to society, there are several things that would go ahead of alcohol on the list. Smoking, drugs, poor diet (did you know that animal meat is a leading cause of cancer and genetic mutation in the human body, and sugar is being called the new heroine of our times?), etc are all more pervasive and unregulated than alcohol.

In most countries, alcohol is regulated and there are strict laws against abusing it, specially as it relates to what impact it can have on others. Drunk driving carries a hefty fine and jail time, alcohol induced violence leads to jail time, and so on, and alcohol is never accepted as an alibi for any crime, serious or otherwise.

I fail to see how alcohol is any more dangerous than a plethora of other things, when used irresponsibly.
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You believe poor diet is more of a danger to society than alcohol? Please explain as my reply will be more to the point when you do.
 
Third_Umpire said:
Let me guess, you have never tasted a sip of alcohol and have no idea what actually happens upon consuming alcohol beyond what has been drilled into your head by religious scholars?

Anything in excess is bad. Smoke enough, and you will get lung cancer and give it to those around you. Eat enough french fries, and you will get heart disease, diabetes, etc.
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talk to an informed police personnel and you will be shocked at the effect of alcohol on crimes; it is truly mother crime
 
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KingKhanWC said:
You believe poor diet is more of a danger to society than alcohol? Please explain as my reply will be more to the point when you do.
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But of course! obesity is an epidemic in most western nations, where also coincidentally alcohol flows the freeist. If you live in the west, this shouldn't be news to you...
 
srh said:
talk to an informed police personnel and you will be shocked at the effect of alcohol on crimes; it is truly mother crime
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I haven't talked to a police person, but looks like you have, so why don't you enlighten us with this knowledge? I am going by what I have experienced as a member of society.
 
srh said:
never underestimate the power of alcohol and never think it is minor sin as compared to others. alcohol will hit you hard and it will cause you committing those sins which you think were bigger sins compared to alcohol consumption. alcohol is the single biggest destroyer of life.
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Alcohol is a major sin .

But death is not its penalty under any Islamic law.
 
srh said:
never underestimate the power of alcohol and never think it is minor sin as compared to others. alcohol will hit you hard and it will cause you committing those sins which you think were bigger sins compared to alcohol consumption. alcohol is the single biggest destroyer of life.
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I find it really sad that you are defending a call for death over something like alcohol. Also millions consume alcohol every year and no, their lives are not destroyed. Smoking also destroys people's lives and also causes second hand destruction but you will not crusade against that

You keep talking about free will and no compulsion in religion yet do not want to give people that free will and want to make laws to control them. This is the duplicity and double standards of religious people I always see
 
srh said:
never underestimate the power of alcohol and never think it is minor sin as compared to others. alcohol will hit you hard and it will cause you committing those sins which you think were bigger sins compared to alcohol consumption. alcohol is the single biggest destroyer of life.
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Wanting to judge others, control their lives and put them to death is the single most evil thing in religion and destroys more lives than alcohol ever did. I don't know know why you need God/Allah as you seem to be the one judging people already and acting like God. I mean God gave people free will and He will judge but you want to take away that free will. Typical duplicity of the religious person
 
srh said:
talk to an informed police personnel and you will be shocked at the effect of alcohol on crimes; it is truly mother crime
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Nope, people who already have criminal tendencies are the ones who commit crime under alcohol. you will not suddenly become a criminal if you drink if you did not have the tendencies before
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
My beloved Prophet Mohammad e Arabi Pbuh called drinking " Ummul Khabbaiss " mother of all evils.


I shall write a lengthy description on socio economic aswell as health impacts of drinking and gambling on any society. (Need some time)
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He also spoke about forgiving people and peace. As usual people will cherry pick things they want to support. Did He (PBUH) ask people to be put to death for drinking. Because this thread is specifically about death penalty
 
Western countries have free flowing alcohol in most places. It is becoming more and more common. Asian and Islamic countries dont. Yet most Western countries have lesser crime, more happiness and standard of living, lesser addcition problems, etc than these countries which ban liquor. That should tell you all you need to know

Alcohol removes some of our inhibitions, no doubt. But in a society where you have everything, this will only cause you to relax a bit and enjoy life with friends. It wont turn you to crime unless you already are frustrated, bitter with life and surroundings. Then it might bring the worst in you. So in a rich country a person under the influence will have a good time while in a poor country the person would go home and beat his wife because he is frustrated with life

Also about addiction, science is leaning towards some people having addictive personalities. These people can get addicted to not only alcohol and drugs but also smoking, porn, internet, sex and other destructive things spoiling their lives. But most people who do not have addictive personalities do not get addicted to alcohol even if they drink regularly

Science of course is also finding new health benefits of drinking in moderation and in a group of friends.
 
Indiafan said:
He also spoke about forgiving people and peace. As usual people will cherry pick things they want to support. Did He (PBUH) ask people to be put to death for drinking. Because this thread is specifically about death penalty
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well bro, Drinking is a Sin in Islam but Islam dont put the Death penalty on drinking or smoking .....
also Islam is against on every kind of addiction, be it drinking, smoking , too much eating etc etc ....
if someone gt addicted to anything, lets say Smoking, thn they are also doing sin .... becoz any kind of addiction which puts a human life in danger is a sin in Islam ....
 
Indiafan said:
He also spoke about forgiving people and peace. As usual people will cherry pick things they want to support. Did He (PBUH) ask people to be put to death for drinking. Because this thread is specifically about death penalty
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also its shame for the people who used the "religious card" to hide thre own corruption .... like Mr. Shahi Syed ....
Islam says dont use the religion for your own benefit ....
 
Indiafan said:
He also spoke about forgiving people and peace. As usual people will cherry pick things they want to support. Did He (PBUH) ask people to be put to death for drinking. Because this thread is specifically about death penalty
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Yes I endorse his Pbuh's teachings of firgiveness and peace.
No he did not prescribe death penalty for people who drink.
 
Justcrazy said:
Alcohol is a major sin .

But death is not its penalty under any Islamic law.
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Indiafan said:
I find it really sad that you are defending a call for death over something like alcohol. Also millions consume alcohol every year and no, their lives are not destroyed. Smoking also destroys people's lives and also causes second hand destruction but you will not crusade against that

You keep talking about free will and no compulsion in religion yet do not want to give people that free will and want to make laws to control them. This is the duplicity and double standards of religious people I always see
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Indiafan said:
Wanting to judge others, control their lives and put them to death is the single most evil thing in religion and destroys more lives than alcohol ever did. I don't know know why you need God/Allah as you seem to be the one judging people already and acting like God. I mean God gave people free will and He will judge but you want to take away that free will. Typical duplicity of the religious person
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I dont know where you guys get the idea from my post that I am advocating death penalty for alcohol consumption. Never. My post was only a reminder that dont take alcohol consumption as a minor sin as it looks like since alcohol consumption will lead you towards sins which you may consider major.

The Senator is a lunatic and not a religious person in any way. Its a tragedy of Pakistan that these types of people get selected to such high posts. :facepalm:
 
Third_Umpire said:
But of course! obesity is an epidemic in most western nations, where also coincidentally alcohol flows the freeist. If you live in the west, this shouldn't be news to you...
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I do know but fat people are only harm to themselves. People who cant control alcohol, millions of them in my country are a danger to society at large. Just look at the violence taking place every weekend, almost all related to alcohol. This is just one example.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I do know but fat people are only harm to themselves. People who cant control alcohol, millions of them in my country are a danger to society at large. Just look at the violence taking place every weekend, almost all related to alcohol. This is just one example.
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Obesity is a massive burden on the healthcare system.

In addition to this there is a decrease in productivity, social contribution and impacts on immediate family members, just to name a few.
 
A weird statement by a liberal party but ANP can get rid of PTI in KPK if that happens. :imran :P
 
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Slog said:
This guy is one of the most despicable persons in Karachi politics

Responsible for so many deaths.
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Which political/religious party is not responsible for the blood shed in Karachi? PTI who was and still non-existent in Karachi had target killers operating in 2013.
 
aukhan said:
Which political/religious party is not responsible for the blood shed in Karachi? PTI who was and still non-existent in Karachi had target killers operating in 2013.
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PTI had target killers? Huh?
 
Kill everyone solution to everything in Pakistan these days.
 
Next time anyone asks why atheists etc talk so much about religion, I will point to this thread. Religion controls and wants to control every aspect of people's lives even wanting to control what people eat and drink and threatening them with death with people supporting it. Of course atheists will want to talk about these things which affect their lives every day
 
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