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SEXIST male-centric cricket terms such as “batsman”, “fieldsman”, “12th man” and “nightwatchman” should be dropped from the sporting vernacular to foster more equality in the game, according to WA’s top cricketing administrator.

WA Cricket Association chief executive Christina Matthews said “words matter” and these names must be gender-neutral if the “gentleman’s game” was truly to be a game for everybody.

Terms such as “batter” and “fielder” should be adopted, while instead of saying “12th man” or “third man”, people should just use “12th” or “third”, she said.

Ms Matthews, also a member of WA CEOs for Gender Equity and a former State and national cricketer, said it was up to everyone to steer the sport in the right direction.

“Here we are, in 2017, using terms such as 12th man, batsman, fieldsman and nightwatchman without a second thought,” she said.

Ms Matthews told PerthNow she wanted the issue of gender-specific names on the agenda, especially after the Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s —which sets the laws of cricket — recently decided not to change the term “batsman”.

“In my view, there’s no commonsense reason why (the names can’t be changed). I think it’s just something people have held on to,” she said.

“Words matter, and words demonstrate respect as well.

“By not changing the terms, you’re disrespecting half the population. “I’m not saying people are deliberately trying to offend but it’s a bit like bullying — whether you’re bullied or not is dictated by the person who is on the end of it, not the person who’s doing it.”

Ms Matthews said young girls wanting to play cricket would not identify with the term “batsman” and may think the game was not for them.

“It’s (change) most important for the kids coming through,” she said.

The argument that the term “batter” is an American word and does not belong in Australia is irrelevant, because “our whole lives have been Americanised”, she says.

Ms Matthews expected the reaction from WACA members would be mixed.

“Our members on the whole are fairly progressive thinkers and have embraced, like a lot of other people, the women’s BBL and the much more public entry of women into the game,” she said.

Piepa Cleary, a fast bowler who plays for the Perth Scorchers in the WBBL, stood by Ms Matthews’ comments, saying there was still a long way to go when it came to gender equality in sport — particularly with the language used.

“Everyone still says female athletes or female cricket,” she said.

“But we’re athletes playing cricket.

“We need to stop being compared to the men’s game and be recognised for playing the same sport in our own field.

“It’s going to take a long time to change, but hopefully it will start to happen sooner rather than later.”

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...s/news-story/9932c638c8d16ffde4dec336b4f75b3a
 
Typical overreaction by a feminist. There are way bigger problems in the world and even in the game itself
 
If she is talking about a women's match, i agree with her. Words like batter/batswoman etc should be used for them.

Dont agree if she wants them changed for men's cricket too. What would you call a batsman? A batsperson?
 
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More than this I am for equal prize money distribution in games such as tennis and soccer.

No reason why women shouldn't be paid as much as men for showing their skills.

However this is way off mark.

Just change your perception instead of changing every word in cricket to satiate a wanting ego.
 
More than this I am for equal prize money distribution in games such as tennis and soccer.

No reason why women shouldn't be paid as much as men for showing their skills.

However this is way off mark.

Just change your perception instead of changing every word in cricket to satiate a wanting ego.

Just not possible in a sport like cricket or football where women's cricket isn't even 1/10th as popular as the men's version. That's just the truth
 
More than this I am for equal prize money distribution in games such as tennis and soccer.

No reason why women shouldn't be paid as much as men for showing their skills.

However this is way off mark.

Just change your perception instead of changing every word in cricket to satiate a wanting ego.

How much money does mens cricket brings and how much money does women's cricket brings is the main factor. When I earn 95% money and you earn 5% money then how you can bargain to pay you 50% of that??
 
More than this I am for equal prize money distribution in games such as tennis and soccer.

No reason why women shouldn't be paid as much as men for showing their skills.

However this is way off mark.

Just change your perception instead of changing every word in cricket to satiate a wanting ego.

Simple economics and market dynamics are a good reason

Not everyone subscribes failed communist ideals
 
More than this I am for equal prize money distribution in games such as tennis and soccer.

No reason why women shouldn't be paid as much as men for showing their skills.

However this is way off mark.

Just change your perception instead of changing every word in cricket to satiate a wanting ego.

Women cricket is not even close to as popular, women generate far less money and nothing wrong with paying them less, no sexism in this.
 
[MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] mate you have totally lost it, equal money for man and woman cricketers, it 2017 it's not possible even in wildest dreams, may be you have to wait for 2117 to see this happen, it's not tennis mate.
 
Just not possible in a sport like cricket or football where women's cricket isn't even 1/10th as popular as the men's version. That's just the truth

How much money does mens cricket brings and how much money does women's cricket brings is the main factor. When I earn 95% money and you earn 5% money then how you can bargain to pay you 50% of that??

Simple economics and market dynamics are a good reason

Not everyone subscribes failed communist ideals

Women cricket is not even close to as popular, women generate far less money and nothing wrong with paying them less, no sexism in this.

[MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] mate you have totally lost it, equal money for man and woman cricketers, it 2017 it's not possible even in wildest dreams, may be you have to wait for 2117 to see this happen, it's not tennis mate.

Well I am not arguing for cricket at the moment.

Cricket is hardly played by 10 male countries at best at Test level and it would be impractical if women were offered the same prize money.

But female tennis not as popular as male tennis? Surely it is. Already some Slams in tennis are offering equal paychecks despite the fact men wanted more for playing best of 5 sets vs 3 for women. Lol.

For football I agree it's not popular as Messi or Ronaldo scoring a goal but it certainly is getting more popular and has its niche.

I am not saying the skills of female sports are matchable to that of male.

I am just arguing that showing equality means equal distribution of money. If you are going to discriminate on how popular a sport is and how much it generates, you will always pay less to countries or people who are less followed.

That doesn't make sense to me at least.

Equal rights and equal privileges is a charter of United Nations.
 
Well I am not arguing for cricket at the moment.

Cricket is hardly played by 10 male countries at best at Test level and it would be impractical if women were offered the same prize money.

But female tennis not as popular as male tennis? Surely it is. Already some Slams in tennis are offering equal paychecks despite the fact men wanted more for playing best of 5 sets vs 3 for women. Lol.

For football I agree it's not popular as Messi or Ronaldo scoring a goal but it certainly is getting more popular and has its niche.

I am not saying the skills of female sports are matchable to that of male.

I am just arguing that showing equality means equal distribution of money. If you are going to discriminate on how popular a sport is and how much it generates, you will always pay less to countries or people who are less followed.

That doesn't make sense to me at least.

Equal rights and equal privileges is a charter of United Nations.

Mostly sports with aggression and force are popular. Thats where men are better and are paid more.

The more subtle sports like badminton and table tennis where women are actually very good are only seen by people in big events like Olympics. Its unfortunate but true.
 
agree with whatever she said.

batter. bowler. fielder. reserve. nightwatcher. third.

make the cricketing world a gender neutral world.
 
All jokes aside, you can see her point.

Making all terms gender neutral is a good step in the large scheme of things.
 
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No need to change the terminologies at all. Women's Cricket can have their own.
 
:)) Well put.

Then again, maybe women should start supporting women's cricket then? I know of only a few women who would actually watch men's cricket, nevermind women's cricket.

That's true women should start supporting women's cricket but I think they will start takin it up once its advertised and packaged properly similar to women tennis,soccer. The problem is there aren't enough role models right now for women to take up cricket hopefully in future it changes.
 
I don't get it, we don't have mixed teams in cricket

What's wrong with calling a team of men, men?

You can have that stuff for women's cricket, like 'the third woman fielder' or 'the batter', it's not needed for men's cricket
 
Just not possible in a sport like cricket or football where women's cricket isn't even 1/10th as popular as the men's version. That's just the truth

How much money does mens cricket brings and how much money does women's cricket brings is the main factor. When I earn 95% money and you earn 5% money then how you can bargain to pay you 50% of that??

Simple economics and market dynamics are a good reason

Not everyone subscribes failed communist ideals

Women cricket is not even close to as popular, women generate far less money and nothing wrong with paying them less, no sexism in this.

[MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] mate you have totally lost it, equal money for man and woman cricketers, it 2017 it's not possible even in wildest dreams, may be you have to wait for 2117 to see this happen, it's not tennis mate.

Hmmmm, how far will you guys take this line of thinking?

I take it you guys were all happy with the big three hogging all the money for themselves because, after all, they do make all the money so why shouldn't the BCCI keep most of it?

Let's abolish social welfare programs while we're at it. The unemployed, disabled and homeless people don't contribute much to society so why should they get a piece of my taxes right?
 
Yes, they should change it; But as [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] stated above, the feminists tend to overreact at times.

Women are not and never will be as good as men are in cricket.
 
feminist going overboard again crying over spilt milk. But this is the case for a lot of western feminists nowadays who have run out of real issues to protest against. So nitpick on things like this. Also women cricketers shouldnt be paid the same as mens. The Men bring in much more revenue and fan interest. Also the quality of womens cricket is way inferior than mens.
 
Yes, they should change it; But as [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] stated above, the feminists tend to overreact at times.

Women are not and never will be as good as men are in cricket.

Wait nvm. I didn't know that she wanted gender neutral terms. That's ridiculous. As [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] stated, men created the sport and made the rules. Women can't just change it just to satisfy their emotions. They can have their own terms for women's cricket. Nobody uses "fieldsman" anyway. Looks like this lady is just an attention seeker.
 
We want u on BCCI big 3 thread !!

It's funny isn't it? The same people who will rush to decry racism or inequality when it affects them or their teams suddenly think that the system is fair once someone else is affected.

You'd think we (Seeing as almost all of the Western PPers are minorities in our countries) would have a bit more sympathy for people who also get discriminated against.

Can't work out if these people are heartless, brainless or both.

Let's make those posters happy and go back to the good old days of the Imperial Cricket Conference. After all, white men created the sport and made the rules so they should control the entire sport and tell the desi countries what's best for us.
 
Something disappeared from my reply. It should read "some make up their own pronouns. A professor has got into trouble for insisting he will only use traditional pronouns corresponding to one's actual gender." (Hard to edit on a smart phone in the prescribed timelines.)
 
How can one argue that womens cricketers deserve to get paid the same as men. When they have to bring in the boundaries in for them and no one hardly turns up to see them. i have no issue with Womens Tennis athletes getting paid the same as men because they draw similar crowds and have a genuine fanbase. Or the US Women football team getting paid the same or more than the men because they draw more interest and crowds than the men. In what world should AB or Kohli get paid the same as a female cricketer who cant clear a 60 yard boundary or face an 80mph bowler. The same way a player in the Premier League will get paid more than someone in thr Championship its the same for male and female cricketers.
 
How can one argue that womens cricketers deserve to get paid the same as men. When they have to bring in the boundaries in for them and no one hardly turns up to see them. i have no issue with Womens Tennis athletes getting paid the same as men because they draw similar crowds and have a genuine fanbase. Or the US Women football team getting paid the same or more than the men because they draw more interest and crowds than the men. In what world should AB or Kohli get paid the same as a female cricketer who cant clear a 60 yard boundary or face an 80mph bowler. The same way a player in the Premier League will get paid more than someone in thr Championship its the same for male and female cricketers.

I would argue that instead of people like Kohli & AB hogging all the wealth it's better we pay women cricketers more. What are Kohli & Dhoni going to do with millions other than buy clothes & car which they would use occassionaly ? Atleast the money can be used in developing women's cricket.
 
Well I am not arguing for cricket at the moment.

Cricket is hardly played by 10 male countries at best at Test level and it would be impractical if women were offered the same prize money.

But female tennis not as popular as male tennis? Surely it is. Already some Slams in tennis are offering equal paychecks despite the fact men wanted more for playing best of 5 sets vs 3 for women. Lol.

For football I agree it's not popular as Messi or Ronaldo scoring a goal but it certainly is getting more popular and has its niche.

I am not saying the skills of female sports are matchable to that of male.

I am just arguing that showing equality means equal distribution of money. If you are going to discriminate on how popular a sport is and how much it generates, you will always pay less to countries or people who are less followed.

That doesn't make sense to me at least.

Equal rights and equal privileges is a charter of United Nations.
Good points, but in countries like Ban, SL, Pak, etc. Woman players will not be playing for the money. They will generally get married off to some random guy. While the men's players are providing for their families in those countries. So in this situation, equality does not work.
 
Yes, they should change it; But as [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] stated above, the feminists tend to overreact at times.

Women are not and never will be as good as men are in cricket.

Who says they have to be? They just have to try to be the best women cricketers they can be.
 
What this female says may be a nuisance now but she is not wrong. Making terms to be gender neutral is good in the large scheme of things.
 
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What this female says may be a nuisance now but she is not wrong. Making terms to be gender neutral is good in the large scheme of things.

Why can't they have different names like batsman and batswoman for male and female cricket respectively? That seems more appropriate.
 
Who says they have to be? They just have to try to be the best women cricketers they can be.

But the woman in the OP seems to be fighting for equality in cricket. In terms of competitiveness. Women's cricket is just not as competitive as men's cricket and that's why people don't watch as much. People want to see the best players play and those players are the men.

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/sports-injuries

70% of fans at a women's game will be female. That is if there is any crowd.

Though it isn't the best scenario for a woman called "Third Man", to me it just looks like unnecessary whining by the woman in OP.
 
Why can't they have different names like batsman and batswoman for male and female cricket respectively? That seems more appropriate.

Common name is much more easier to use.

Plus makes cricket look good.

Batsman, batswoman looks weird compared to say "bat".
 
[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] and [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] do you guys think country cricket Board should give aside 20-30% of their revenues for the women's team to grow,luckily that bait is exposed but should be interesting as to what you guys say,reading the thread?
 
Common name is much more easier to use.

Plus makes cricket look good.

Batsman, batswoman looks weird compared to say "bat".

I think bowler is a gender netural term surprisingly pitcher is a gender neutral term in baseball as well,plus they are trying to promote "batter" "hitter" as well but still they have baseman.
 
[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] and [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] do you guys think country cricket Board should give aside 20-30% of their revenues for the women's team to grow,luckily that bait is exposed but should be interesting as to what you guys say,reading the thread?

Do you want the brutally honest answer or the diplomatically correct answer?
 
Do you want the brutally honest answer or the diplomatically correct answer?

The answer that you believe in but defn u can expect a question after that(of BCCI revenue) which u can answer as well in the same post.
 
yeah not sure I agree with this.

in women cricket they can call each other whatever they want for what the world cares. for me, women's cricket should be abolished just because its utterly rubbish.
 
Women cricket matches don't get anything close to the viewership that mens matches get, and are not even 1/10th as skillful. Why should they get similar salary just because of their gender?

In tennis, a 150 ranked mens player would beat any of the top 5 women players. But women still get paid significantly because there is a lot of interest.
 
How can one argue that womens cricketers deserve to get paid the same as men. When they have to bring in the boundaries in for them and no one hardly turns up to see them. i have no issue with Womens Tennis athletes getting paid the same as men because they draw similar crowds and have a genuine fanbase. Or the US Women football team getting paid the same or more than the men because they draw more interest and crowds than the men. In what world should AB or Kohli get paid the same as a female cricketer who cant clear a 60 yard boundary or face an 80mph bowler. The same way a player in the Premier League will get paid more than someone in thr Championship its the same for male and female cricketers.

I would argue that instead of people like Kohli & AB hogging all the wealth it's better we pay women cricketers more. What are Kohli & Dhoni going to do with millions other than buy clothes & car which they would use occassionaly ? Atleast the money can be used in developing women's cricket.
 
I would argue that instead of people like Kohli & AB hogging all the wealth it's better we pay women cricketers more. What are Kohli & Dhoni going to do with millions other than buy clothes & car which they would use occassionaly ? Atleast the money can be used in developing women's cricket.

That's not how it works. Cricket is a business, and players get paid according to their skill and how much money they generate. It isn't some charity where they start giving money to everyone.
 
Common name is much more easier to use.

Plus makes cricket look good.

Batsman, batswoman looks weird compared to say "bat".

Easier to use ? Come on they dont have to lift mountains.

At this rate you will soon be asked to not use words like "him" or "her" in your sentences in normal life because you shouldn't see a person as a man or a woman but as a person. This is ridiculous and has no end.

Its best to use separate words like batsman, batswoman, third man , third woman etc for separate genders. That's the best solution in my opinion.
 
Easier to use ? Come on they dont have to lift mountains.

At this rate you will soon be asked to not use words like "him" or "her" in your sentences in normal life because you shouldn't see a person as a man or a woman but as a person. This is ridiculous and has no end.

Its best to use separate words like batsman, batswoman, third man , third woman etc for separate genders. That's the best solution in my opinion.

What if there is some non-binary player? They will have an issue with terms like "batsman" and "batswoman".
 
I like this idea. Only few terms will need to be changed. Bowler, fielder, captain, wicket-keeper, etc. are already general neutral. Just need to change a few other terms.
 
What if there is some non-binary player? They will have an issue with terms like "batsman" and "batswoman".

Good point. Same terminology should be used for them which is used for their team mates.
 
More than this I am for equal prize money distribution in games such as tennis and soccer.

No reason why women shouldn't be paid as much as men for showing their skills.

However this is way off mark.

Just change your perception instead of changing every word in cricket to satiate a wanting ego.

Sure, just make the women's match a 5 setter, then I would agree with you regarding the equal prize money
 
Easier to use ? Come on they dont have to lift mountains.

At this rate you will soon be asked to not use words like "him" or "her" in your sentences in normal life because you shouldn't see a person as a man or a woman but as a person. This is ridiculous and has no end.

Its best to use separate words like batsman, batswoman, third man , third woman etc for separate genders. That's the best solution in my opinion.

I can see your point but just shift your lens a bit and look at the whole situation from a different angle. There is nothing I can say that can convince anyone but if you see from the other side, it will make a lot of sense.

Society as a whole moves forward through improvement.

A female who picks up the bat to play cricket will get mocked by atleast some as "why the hell are you playing cricket".

Why does this occur?

Cos its been drilled into our subconscious mind that cricket is only for males. There are 1000s of things that CONTRIBUTE to that viewpoint. Unless those root causes are tackled one by one, perception won't change.

That's why making terms gender neutral (however small or irrelevant or pointless or pretentious or douche or feminist as they may seem) will play "some" role in changing perceptions down the road. I am talking decades.

Praising females who get Olympics golds is not enough.

Creating an environment which makes females want to take up the sport and not feel any discrimination for it is what needs to be done.

And for that, this is one of the million steps along the way.
 
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More than this I am for equal prize money distribution in games such as tennis and soccer.

No reason why women shouldn't be paid as much as men for showing their skills.

However this is way off mark.

Just change your perception instead of changing every word in cricket to satiate a wanting ego.

Despite mens players getting a lot more viewers, generating more revenue and being much more skilled?
 
I can see your point but just shift your lens a bit and look at the whole situation from a different angle. There is nothing I can say that can convince anyone but if you see from the other side, it will make a lot of sense.

Society as a whole moves forward through improvement.

A female who picks up the bat to play cricket will get mocked by atleast some as "why the hell are you playing cricket".

Why does this occur?

Cos its been drilled into our subconscious mind that cricket is only for males. There are 1000s of things that CONTRIBUTE to that viewpoint. Unless those root causes are tackled one by one, perception won't change.

That's why making terms gender neutral (however small or irrelevant or pointless or pretentious or douche or feminist as they may seem) will help in playing "some" role in changing perceptions down the road. I am talking decades.

Praising females who get Olympics golds is not enough.

Creating an environment which makes females want to take up the sport and not feel any discrimination for it is what needs to be done.

And for that, this is one of the million steps along the way.

Changing "batsman" to "bat" will have absolutely no difference in people's perception. However, those people you mentioned who mock female players are already in the minority.
 
Cricket has better things to think about

Its too painful to simply change what is already there in men's cricket
 
Changing "batsman" to "bat" will have absolutely no difference in people's perception. However, those people you mentioned who mock female players are already in the minority.

Batter would,you are thinking in terms of 5 years,think in terms of 20. Women in India haven't taken up the sport because it also requires "kit" funding and what not without much returns but slowly it can evolve, as we can "Harmanpreet Kaur" is trending in fb right now but sadly the headline was "she did a Dhoni" this maybe needs to stop.
 
I can see your point but just shift your lens a bit and look at the whole situation from a different angle. There is nothing I can say that can convince anyone but if you see from the other side, it will make a lot of sense.

Society as a whole moves forward through improvement.

A female who picks up the bat to play cricket will get mocked by atleast some as "why the hell are you playing cricket".

Why does this occur?

Cos its been drilled into our subconscious mind that cricket is only for males. There are 1000s of things that CONTRIBUTE to that viewpoint. Unless those root causes are tackled one by one, perception won't change.

That's why making terms gender neutral (however small or irrelevant or pointless or pretentious or douche or feminist as they may seem) will play "some" role in changing perceptions down the road. I am talking decades.

Praising females who get Olympics golds is not enough.

Creating an environment which makes females want to take up the sport and not feel any discrimination for it is what needs to be done.

And for that, this is one of the million steps along the way.

Top post.

I understand what you are saying. And i agree that women need to be encouraged to play sports which were traditionally thought to be men's sports. They should be given more attention and support to overcome centuries old subjugation. For that all people need to change their mindset.

Women have every right to become big stars of cricket or any sports but imo they should be known as sportsWomen and be proud of it. Why take away the very identity of their? Its like giving in to the people who consider the words associated with women/female as weak or secondary to men.

Imo The thousand things that contribute to the mindset that cricket is only for men also contributes to the thinking that the term woman should not be associated with a female sportsperson because the word woman is some symbol of weakness.

Women should be called batswomen, third women etc and be proud of their identity. To run away from being called a woman in sports sends out the wrong message.
 
why should women be encouraged to play every sport that was traditionally viewed as a male sport? under what principle? its fact, whether we like it or not, that women are different from men. that doesn't make them better or worse, but there are plenty of studies to show that under similar circumstances and opportunities, men will tend toward certain studies for example, versus women - and this in societies and segments of societies where women are not only outperforming men academically, there are more of them accepted into these and they are given preferential employment opportunities - according to specific studies in the us and uk for example.

the point being that it is a perfectly reasonable and demonstrable position to take that men and women might not be suited to the same thing. equity and justice does not necessitate some blind and impossible concept of homogeneity. equity and justice is important. homogeneity is not.

I think women should be encouraged to perform and excel in areas of society where they have been traditionally discouraged to, but only in areas where they can excel and grow in order to be incrementally additive to society. cricket isn't one of them, they are not built for it, it is not entertaining to watch and is frankly stomach turning for most of us as evidenced by its popularity.
 
Money is to be made from Men & Women's game so take decisions which are sensible
 
Some dreadful posts in this thread, but I love how some of the hypocrites i.e., those who are against the Big 3 and BCCI have been ruthlessly exposed.

If women want to play cricket, they should be allowed to. It doesn't matter whether if it's low standard or not watchable.

I personally have no issue with using terms like batter, third player etc. etc.
 
Some dreadful posts in this thread, but I love how some of the hypocrites i.e., those who are against the Big 3 and BCCI have been ruthlessly exposed.

If women want to play cricket, they should be allowed to. It doesn't matter whether if it's low standard or not watchable.

I personally have no issue with using terms like batter, third player etc. etc.

You're not okay with using batswoman, thirdwoman in women matches?

Cricket is played separately i.e. not a mixed sport.
 
What next, they'd want women to be included in Men's team as well?

Unless the suggestion is for women's cricket, it is just stupid.

How is calling a male batter - batsman, sexist?
 
If she is talking about a women's match, i agree with her. Words like batter/batswoman etc should be used for them.

Dont agree if she wants them changed for men's cricket too. What would you call a batsman? A batsperson?

Batter
 
You're not okay with using batswoman, thirdwoman in women matches?

Cricket is played separately i.e. not a mixed sport.

I don't see what the issue is. Have different terms for women and different ones for men.
 
agree with whatever she said.

batter. bowler. fielder. reserve. nightwatcher. third.

make the cricketing world a gender neutral world.

Saying "batsman" if he is a man is wrong?

I can agree with this for womens cricket. It would be rude to say batsman for womens cricket but for mens cricket it's fine.
 
You're not okay with using batswoman, thirdwoman in women matches?

Cricket is played separately i.e. not a mixed sport.

I don't see what the issue is. Have different terms for women and different ones for men.

Bats-woman is a bit of a mouthful, batter is concise and neutral. However, third-player is a mouthful too so it is not a good option either.
 
That's not how it works. Cricket is a business, and players get paid according to their skill and how much money they generate. It isn't some charity where they start giving money to everyone.

If cricket is a buissness men & women should get equal pay.
 
Saying "batsman" if he is a man is wrong?

I can agree with this for womens cricket. It would be rude to say batsman for womens cricket but for mens cricket it's fine.

not everything needs a gender in life and in cricket.

in languages, almost everything has a gender and removing them from there helps almost everyone involved in the process. take for example the case of urdu where everything has a gender, a table, a chair, yogurt, and what not.

eliminating all of these will take time but we can start it from sports. it is a good exercise and something that harms no one.
 
not everything needs a gender in life and in cricket.

in languages, almost everything has a gender and removing them from there helps almost everyone involved in the process. take for example the case of urdu where everything has a gender, a table, a chair, yogurt, and what not.

eliminating all of these will take time but we can start it from sports. it is a good exercise and something that harms no one.

I guess for something like a chair or table I can understand, but a man is literally a man, a women is a women, there is no 2 ways about it.
 
I guess for something like a chair or table I can understand, but a man is literally a man, a women is a women, there is no 2 ways about it.

Well you can make a new word. Instead of he or she. That just refers to a person. :smith
 
The word "man" and the root of the word "man" were all gender neutral. Just as "human" is a gender neutral term.

The ICC simply needs to release a little pamphlet explicitly affirming that "batsman" is now (or always was?) an all inclusive term which refers to all members of Mankind.
 
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Yes, if they are equally skilled and marketable. Mary the secretary shouldn't be paid as much as Bob the CEO just because she is a women.

But both male & female cricketers do the job of representing their country so their employer must pay the same.
 
Names should remain as it is....quite frankly 99% of the cricketing world don't give two hoots about it
 
More than this I am for equal prize money distribution in games such as tennis and soccer.

No reason why women shouldn't be paid as much as men for showing their skills.

However this is way off mark.

Just change your perception instead of changing every word in cricket to satiate a wanting ego.

Women are paid just as much in tennis which is highly unfair, considering they only play best of 3 in grandslams and secondly bring in much less revenue compared to men's tennis. Not to mention the lack of depth in women tennis today.
 

Okay. Third man? Nightwatchman?

At this rate they will soon ask you to not say , " SHE/HE played a very good shot". They will ask you to say , "The PLAYER played a very good shot". It has no end.

This is a trivial issue imo. Refer to women as women and men as men. Creating an issue out of nothing.
 
Women are paid just as much in tennis which is highly unfair, considering they only play best of 3 in grandslams and secondly bring in much less revenue compared to men's tennis. Not to mention the lack of depth in women tennis today.

Highly unfair?

They compete to the best of their physical abilities just as men do.

Why would you penalize them for men having greater physical strength?

What is highly unfair is that women are given less than men purely because it is a male dominated society which decides that how much women should get.
 
I don't see what the issue is. Have different terms for women and different ones for men.

Thanks.

Bats-woman is a bit of a mouthful, batter is concise and neutral. However, third-player is a mouthful too so it is not a good option either.

So are you in favor of having separate terms in the respective matches?

Or using a single terminology across both? Like batter, third, etc. in both men/women matches?

Vs. batsman - batswoman in men/women matches?
 
The answer that you believe in but defn u can expect a question after that(of BCCI revenue) which u can answer as well in the same post.

If I was a fan of womens cricket then I would say yes the boards should keep aside the 20-30% to help the game grown and poser around the world. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no means against womens cricket - but I'm by no means a fan or a follower either.

I am however a massive cricket fan - mens cricket that is - and follow it religiously, so yes I would like to see the ICC's funds distributed more evenly to help the sport grow and prosper around the world.
 
Thanks.



So are you in favor of having separate terms in the respective matches?

Or using a single terminology across both? Like batter, third, etc. in both men/women matches?

Vs. batsman - batswoman in men/women matches?

I'm vouching for neutral terms like batter etc., no need of complicating it by using different terms of men/women cricket.
 
SJWs invading everything now. This is just getting silly. We are getting too PC. Way too PC.
 
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