Sharjeel Khan 40 in Sydney vs Nasir Jamshed 46 in Johannesberg, will history repeat itself?

[shaz619]

Both were very fluent innings and ended in a similar fashion with a loose stroke. Nasir was up against a prime SA bowling attack which included Steyn, Phillander, Morkel and Kallis at their absolute best.

Nasir I feel was a lot more complete as a batsman. However, despite Nasir's talent which was superior to Sharjeels he would regress and fall on hard times.

Sharjeel on the other hand is an inferior version of Nasir but there is some potential there, can he overcome his limitations to become a world class bat? that too with Sami Aslam competing for the same spot.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Nasir is nowhere near Sharjeel when it comes to ability

 

[shaz619]

Nasir is nowhere near Sharjeel when it comes to ability

That's very interesting, Nasir I believe had a wide array of strokes, excellent footwork and awareness when he first burst onto the scene. He played many memorable knocks against quality bowling attacks, Sharjeel on the other hand predominately favours the leg side and doesn't quiet move his feet well but is fantastic power hitter, he has played a few good knocks but I feel we are overly hyping him although I do hope he improves and delivers for Pakistan

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Nasir is nowhere near Sharjeel when it comes to ability

Tbh Nasir was really talented,a better all round batsman than Sharjeel IMO.He really regressed but lets hope he comes back better than ever.He's still young.

 

[Abdullah719]

That's very interesting, Nasir I believe had a wide array of strokes, excellent footwork and awareness when he first burst onto the scene. He played many memorable knocks against quality bowling attacks, Sharjeel on the other hand predominately favours the leg side and doesn't quiet move his feet well but is fantastic power hitter, he has played a few good knocks but I feel we are overly hyping him although I do hope he improves and delivers for Pakistan

Nasir's hand eye coordination was nowhere near Sharjeel's. He also got bogged down often.

 

[sshakir411]

Nasir is nowhere near Sharjeel when it comes to ability

+1. Sharjeel is in a league of his own.

 

[shaz619]

Nasir's hand eye coordination was nowhere near Sharjeel's. He also got bogged down often.

This is his main attribute, but technically speaking Nasir was a more rounded batsman; when Nasir first burst on to the scene we didn't have a lot on our plate as far as improvements were concerned as there are with Sharjeel which is why he was able to score runs vs a prime SA bowling attack

 

[MMHS]

Both were very fluent innings and ended in a similar fashion with a loose stroke. Nasir was up against a prime SA bowling attack which included Steyn, Phillander, Morkel and Kallis at their absolute best.

Nasir I feel was a lot more complete as a batsman. However, despite Nasir's talent which was superior to Sharjeels he would regress and fall on hard times.

Sharjeel on the other hand is an inferior version of Nasir but there is some potential there, can he overcome his limitations to become a world class bat? that too with Sami Aslam competing for the same spot.

Probably no - Nasir's problem wasn't his game or performance; his problem was that his direct rival was a buddy of the powerful Captain. So, he was dropped after 2 Tests & MoHa kept trolling Styen for a Series average of 7 in 6 innings. Now, MoHa is 40+ & his Captain is going through a tough time.

After that, Nasir went to CT2013 & played one of the best knock by a PAK player in 1st match (batted well against SAF as well I believe) - but again, he was blocking MoHa's path. So, he got dropped - Shaan & Manzoor was called to face SAF again in UAE later that winter - expectation was that they'll fail; but they spoiled that plot. Hence, MoHa had to come back against SRL that winter as all-rounder & was slotted at 3 ahead of Jamshed; who was easily among the most exciting prospects from PAK in some years.

 

[ads101]

Probably no - Nasir's problem wasn't his game or performance; his problem was that his direct rival was a buddy of the powerful Captain. So, he was dropped after 2 Tests & MoHa kept trolling Styen for a Series average of 7 in 6 innings. Now, MoHa is 40+ & his Captain is going through a tough time.

After that, Nasir went to CT2013 & played one of the best knock by a PAK player in 1st match (batted well against SAF as well I believe) - but again, he was blocking MoHa's path. So, he got dropped - Shaan & Manzoor was called to face SAF again in UAE later that winter - expectation was that they'll fail; but they spoiled that plot. Hence, MoHa had to come back against SRL that winter as all-rounder & was slotted at 3 ahead of Jamshed; who was easily among the most exciting prospects from PAK in some years.

Thanks for clearing that up. Always thought it was because he averaged 21.5 at a SR 60 for 28 games after 2012.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Sharjeel is far superior to Nasir, a modern cricketer who can be compared to other aggressive openers like Warner, Roy, Dhawan, Guptill etc.

 

[MMHS]

Thanks for clearing that up. Always thought it was because he averaged 21.5 at a SR 60 for 28 games after 2012.

Your thought wasn't wrong at all, neither mine. That's why we see players dropped after 3/4 matches & players continued for bowling skills as specialist opener, until he faces Bangladesh.

 

[DRsohail]

Probably no - Nasir's problem wasn't his game or performance; his problem was that his direct rival was a buddy of the powerful Captain. So, he was dropped after 2 Tests & MoHa kept trolling Styen for a Series average of 7 in 6 innings. Now, MoHa is 40+ & his Captain is going through a tough time.

After that, Nasir went to CT2013 & played one of the best knock by a PAK player in 1st match (batted well against SAF as well I believe) - but again, he was blocking MoHa's path. So, he got dropped - Shaan & Manzoor was called to face SAF again in UAE later that winter - expectation was that they'll fail; but they spoiled that plot. Hence, MoHa had to come back against SRL that winter as all-rounder & was slotted at 3 ahead of Jamshed; who was easily among the most exciting prospects from PAK in some years.

yaar u nailed it......friendship is above everything...

 

[miandadrules]

I think the biggest difference between the two is Jamshed's fragile psyche.

People seem to forget that his game fell apart previously, after his first stint with the national side. It wasn't as dramatic as the latest one but it was still pretty startling.

 

[MMHS]

yaar u nailed it......friendship is above everything...

I didn't check data, but I believe Jamshed scored a hundred at Dhaka, then twice again in IND. After that, he had a bad tour in SAF (probably was dropped after 2 ODI, which was ridiculous. considering he was a hard hitting lefti & scored 3 hundreds against IND and a match winning 97 against Aussies in previous one year).

Then, he was one of the (2nd I believe) successful player of PAK's horror show in CT2013 - not sure if he was taken to WI or not, but for sure he wasn't called back to feast the SRL attack on UAE belters in DEC 2013, which Ahmed & MoHa enjoyed. There after, that stats of 21/60 took lost out. Here, for convenience, we have to forget that when MoHa was called back & allowed to pile his stats in UAE batting at 1/2/3, sometimes in 2010 - he had a career stats of 18/58 from 50+ matches.

 

[shaz619]

Probably no - Nasir's problem wasn't his game or performance; his problem was that his direct rival was a buddy of the powerful Captain. So, he was dropped after 2 Tests & MoHa kept trolling Styen for a Series average of 7 in 6 innings. Now, MoHa is 40+ & his Captain is going through a tough time.

After that, Nasir went to CT2013 & played one of the best knock by a PAK player in 1st match (batted well against SAF as well I believe) - but again, he was blocking MoHa's path. So, he got dropped - Shaan & Manzoor was called to face SAF again in UAE later that winter - expectation was that they'll fail; but they spoiled that plot. Hence, MoHa had to come back against SRL that winter as all-rounder & was slotted at 3 ahead of Jamshed; who was easily among the most exciting prospects from PAK in some years.

I didn't examine the root of his regression in the OP but he did regress and how he was handled was a part of that but as [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] points out it was also his fragile psyche.

 

[Moiza]

Nasir jamshed made that 46 under much more testing conditions whereas sharjeel has scored these 40 runs on an absolute dead pitch which requires much less skill. Sharjeel is not cut for tests and it is in everyone's best interest that we get this through our head. He may score a flashing 40-50 every time he gets a pitch like this but in conditions where the ball is moving he will be as effective the ATG hafeez.

 

[shaz619]

I didn't check data, but I believe Jamshed scored a hundred at Dhaka, then twice again in IND. After that, he had a bad tour in SAF (probably was dropped after 2 ODI, which was ridiculous. considering he was a hard hitting lefti & scored 3 hundreds against IND and a match winning 97 against Aussies in previous one year).

Then, he was one of the (2nd I believe) successful player of PAK's horror show in CT2013 - not sure if he was taken to WI or not, but for sure he wasn't called back to feast the SRL attack on UAE belters in DEC 2013, which Ahmed & MoHa enjoyed. There after, that stats of 21/60 took lost out. Here, for convenience, we have to forget that when MoHa was called back & allowed to pile his stats in UAE batting at 1/2/3, sometimes in 2010 - he had a career stats of 18/58 from 50+ matches.

These were some unreal performances which people forgot in a jiffy, some are of the view his ability is inferior to sharjeel but I don't believe that. While poor management should be blamed his decline was as such that we can't attribute it to that alone although it can be difficult given the immense promise he displayed.

Sharjeel will probably benefit from better support but in terms of skill set he has a lot more work to do then Nasir did initially and the jury is out on him

 

[DRsohail]

I didn't check data, but I believe Jamshed scored a hundred at Dhaka, then twice again in IND. After that, he had a bad tour in SAF (probably was dropped after 2 ODI, which was ridiculous. considering he was a hard hitting lefti & scored 3 hundreds against IND and a match winning 97 against Aussies in previous one year).

Then, he was one of the (2nd I believe) successful player of PAK's horror show in CT2013 - not sure if he was taken to WI or not, but for sure he wasn't called back to feast the SRL attack on UAE belters in DEC 2013, which Ahmed & MoHa enjoyed. There after, that stats of 21/60 took lost out. Here, for convenience, we have to forget that when MoHa was called back & allowed to pile his stats in UAE batting at 1/2/3, sometimes in 2010 - he had a career stats of 18/58 from 50+ matches.

yes he toured wi but was poor ....and hafiz enjoyed free ride....though i will give him slight benefit of doubt for his bowling but but nasir may have regained his confidence against SA in uae.

 

[MMHS]

I didn't examine the root of his regression in the OP but he did regress and how he was handled was a part of that but as [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] points out it was also his fragile psyche.

True, besides, he was 15 on his FC class debut & 18 when he bashed our SPEED Demons in 2 ODI sometimes in 2008 with double shaven chin .... now he is 26

SK is much stronger at upper trunk, and has improved his fitness considerably. If he can improve stamina & shot selection - frightening proposition for LOs at least.

 

[Barragan]

Jamshed was really talented and more so than Sharjeel.

He could play both pace and spin so well.

I still don't know why, he was dropped during the SA tour and he deserved a longer run, but it ultimately led to his demise.

He completely lost it after that dropping and was never the same batsman.

 

[Dark Magician]

That's very interesting, Nasir I believe had a wide array of strokes, excellent footwork and awareness when he first burst onto the scene. He played many memorable knocks against quality bowling attacks, Sharjeel on the other hand predominately favours the leg side and doesn't quiet move his feet well but is fantastic power hitter, he has played a few good knocks but I feel we are overly hyping him although I do hope he improves and delivers for Pakistan

Excellent footwork? Not a chance. He used to plant his front foot hence his problems with the moving ball.

 

[shaz619]

Excellent footwork? Not a chance. He used to plant his front foot hence his problems with the moving ball.

Excellent in comparison to Sharjeel, it wasn't at the elite level but good enough to score runs vs a prime SA attack

 

[Hamza_]

It's very hard to believe how batsman like Nasir who scored runs against quality oppositios went on to be a tail ender. Maybe pakistan don't know how to develop and nourish a batsman, They all fall away after a bang.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Nasir was never a quality player. Got found out

 

[srh]

I think the biggest difference between the two is Jamshed's fragile psyche.

People seem to forget that his game fell apart previously, after his first stint with the national side. It wasn't as dramatic as the latest one but it was still pretty startling.

Nasir's game declined when he stop eating parathas. I used to call him "Paratha Power" but once he start listening to others about his weight and fitness then it was downhill for him.
Nasir and Sharjeel could have been the "Bash Brothers" of Pakistan cricket. sigh

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Sharjeel is 10x the batsman Jamshed was. Absolutely no comparison. Sharjeel's foot movement is not extensive but his balance, stillness at the crease and judgement of off-stump is far superior. His challenge is to find balance between attack and defence.

There are only two others in Pakistan that have natural ability comparable to Sharjeel - Umar and Nauman. Umar's starting to regain his game while Nauman after having given terrible coaching is showing signs of development.

 

[Slog]

Nasir Jamshed is epitome of mental midget

And it seems Sharjeel atleast tries to work on his game

 

[Bewal Express]

Thanks for clearing that up. Always thought it was because he averaged 21.5 at a SR 60 for 28 games after 2012.

Don't QUOTE inconvenient facts.

 

[Bewal Express]

PK cricket would be in a better place if Sharjeel succeeds. If he does get in, he will put mediocre bowlers under real pressure, with the pressure on the bowlers, comes tiredness and illogical captaincy. Just look at how much pressure Warner and before that Sehwag put on our bowlers.

 

[Haroon786]

Nasir is nowhere near Sharjeel when it comes to ability

Nasir's decent batting period only lasted around 9-10 months, IIRC from the Asia Cup in early 2012 to the India tour in December 2012 where he batted really well and also got numerous hundreds too. In terms of batting ability, he was better than Sharjeel but in hitting, Sharjeel is miles better than Nasir was. To add to that, Nasir deteriorated rapidly from 2013 despite getting the 40 odd at Jo'burg and then the 50 vs WI - he was never the same player as in 2012, not sure what happened but he was very serviceable and quite brilliant in Asian conditions in LOIs, shame he declined so suddenly and rapidly.

 

[Abdul]

Sharjeel is 10x the batsman Jamshed was. Absolutely no comparison. Sharjeel's foot movement is not extensive but his balance, stillness at the crease and judgement of off-stump is far superior. His challenge is to find balance between attack and defence.

There are only two others in Pakistan that have natural ability comparable to Sharjeel - Umar and Nauman. Umar's starting to regain his game while Nauman after having given terrible coaching is showing signs of development.

Nauman...Anwar?

 

[shaz619]

Nasir's decent batting period only lasted around 9-10 months, IIRC from the Asia Cup in early 2012 to the India tour in December 2012 where he batted really well and also got numerous hundreds too. In terms of batting ability, he was better than Sharjeel but in hitting, Sharjeel is miles better than Nasir was. To add to that, Nasir deteriorated rapidly from 2013 despite getting the 40 odd at Jo'burg and then the 50 vs WI - he was never the same player as in 2012, not sure what happened but he was very serviceable and quite brilliant in Asian conditions in LOIs, shame he declined so suddenly and rapidly.

Am surprised there are few who share the same view as you, I don't think they watched Nasir bat when he first burst onto the scene and focus more on his decline. Nasir justified the hype back then and he proved his prowess with some high calibre knocks, he was a great all round batsman before he would fall.

There's a lot of hype around Sharjeel and he's not done much besides that knock vs Ireland and the 40 today, if anything we've seen more limitations then strength. What sets him apart from the likes of Nazir, Afridi, Hafeez though is that he seems mentally strong character who is willing to improve and that's great because power and hand eye coordination will only get him so far, however he has a lot of work to do and people need to calm down

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Nasir should have become world class. Such fluent strokes, he had impact.

Sharjeel is the same but pure brute force. He is the co-father for modern day LOI batting along with Haris Sohail in Pakistan. These players are pioneers amongst tuk tuks like Azhar, Shafiq, Sami Aslam.

Give PSL 2 more cycles and 2 more Sharjeels will appear just wait and watch.

 

[Haroon786]

Am surprised there are few who share the same view as you, I don't think they watched Nasir bat when he first burst onto the scene and focus more on his decline. Nasir justified the hype back then and he proved his prowess with some high calibre knocks, he was a great all round batsman before he would fall.

There's a lot of hype around Sharjeel and he's not done much besides that knock vs Ireland and the 40 today, if anything we've seen more limitations then strength. What sets him apart from the likes of Nazir, Afridi, Hafeez though is that he seems mentally strong character who is willing to improve and that's great because power and hand eye coordination will only get him so far, however he has a lot of work to do and people need to calm down

The ones going on about the greatest natural ability and what not are obviously just baseless speculations which Sharjeel has never demonstrated - 1 40 odd is not enough to say anything like that. For me, I think he can go on to become an inferior version of Brendon McCullum, having an average of around 35 with a high SR - whether the management will be fine with that is another matter and certainly Sharjeel hasn't even shown the ability to be that consistent yet in LOIs, hopefully he can do that as I feel he does have a role to play if Pakistan are to reinvent themselves and employ a new, attacking brand of Cricket from now on.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

They should bring Big Nas back. Make him open with sharjeel in LOI. The two pehelwans will carve up Intl cricket.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

They should bring Big Nas back. Make him open with sharjeel in LOI. The two pehelwans will carve up Intl cricket.

In an ideal world we would have had a top order like this:

Sharjeel
Nasir Jamshed
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail

This unit can make 200 runs in the first 35 overs for sure.

All established. But sadly Pakistan cricket never works like that

 

[Justcrazy]

Jamshed was not a bad player , he was dropped very quickly.

At least in OD he was a good choice , could have scored 8 K runs at least.

 

[ExpressPacer]

In an ideal world we would have had a top order like this:

Sharjeel
Nasir Jamshed
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail

This unit can make 200 runs in the first 35 overs for sure.

All established. But sadly Pakistan cricket never works like that

I'm sorry but blaming Pakistan cricket for EVERYTHING isn't going to work here. Nasir Jamshed completely lost it. He averaged below 25 in domestic LOI's for 2 years. I mean, come on. Even the likes of KAkmal, Butt, UAkmal, Imran Farhat etc lit up domestics with huge numbers despite failing in internationals. Yet he was given a chance in the biggest of stages, the WC'15 and he failed ...again.

Babar Azam just burst onto the scene and I think its safe to say he will be there for a long time.

As for Haris Sohail, he got injured. He's been injured for almost 2 years now.. Okay, sure, we can blame the board for not having provided him with the right treatment, but did they injure him? Yeah, he was mighty talented but had he focused more on his fragile body, he wouldn't have gotten injured so bad. Also, I think its sort of funny because I think its been a long, long time since I saw a cricketer get injured for such a long time, perhaps there's some fault of his own too that exacerbated the injury to this extent that he's been away for so long..

SO, yeah, in an ideal world we would have had a top order like this but its completely the players own faults that we haven't been able to have that top order.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

In an ideal world we would have had a top order like this:

Sharjeel
Nasir Jamshed
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail

This unit can make 200 runs in the first 35 overs for sure.

All established. But sadly Pakistan cricket never works like that

Really.

I would put my money on them being 30-3 in 4 overs nearly every game.

 

[Madplayer]

Nasir jamshed was a proper batsman with shots all around the park. Sharjeel is nothing like him. But Its not a hard and fast rule that sharjeel cant become better than him at this level.

 

[TQ89]

Nasir was very weak batsmen tbh. Again the typical short attention span of PAk fans.

Yes he had well round game but this guy couldn't clear circle after playing ten balls. Would always be heaving & breathing heavily. He would get so exhausted that he couldn't take a single. In the games he tried to curb his shots & focus on rotating strike, this guy would have wooden legs after 2 overs.

Even those hundreds he scored against India in 2012, were cringeworhty once he crossed 50. His Fitness was the worst of all the players I have seen. What type of batsmen gets tired after playing two overs that too in one day/T20 game

 

[Drreddymd]

I want to ask pak fans why u are hyping sharjeel so much ? He is what u call a legside hack who is poor afainst spin and doesnt have a single sciring shot on the offside.if u plug his legside boundaries he doesnt have the game to manouvre the ball and rotate the strike.he plays a very high risk game and he will come good 2 times out if ten at best .in that also he will score 35 ball 50 maximum as he is not capable of long innings.why so much hype for such a mediocre player?

 

[Slog]

In an ideal world we would have had a top order like this:

Sharjeel
Nasir Jamshed
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail

This unit can make 200 runs in the first 35 overs for sure.

All established. But sadly Pakistan cricket never works like that

Pakistan will be 20/3 with either Haris or Babar sticking around

 

[shaz619]

I want to ask pak fans why u are hyping sharjeel so much ? He is what u call a legside hack who is poor afainst spin and doesnt have a single sciring shot on the offside.if u plug his legside boundaries he doesnt have the game to manouvre the ball and rotate the strike.he plays a very high risk game and he will come good 2 times out if ten at best .in that also he will score 35 ball 50 maximum as he is not capable of long innings.why so much hype for such a mediocre player?

I don't agree with the hype either, he has some talent but clearly there is a lot of work to do. I think he's rated highly because he represents a brand we want to play in ODI's and with the likes of Afridi, Hafeez etc no more Sharjeel is a fresh face they can route for, plus he's fun to watch.