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Should Azhar Ali move back to opening the batting?

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It’s ludicrous, when you’re 30-2 almost every innings. It’s like playing with 3 genuine batsmen. Also it badly hurts the confidence of the dressing room when you’re 30-2.

Azhar is in decent form. Averages 47+ as an opener. Should he move up as an opener and slot in Saud/ Kamran at 3?
 
Azhar should never have moved from opening spot in 1st place, yes he needs to open again and Abid needs to be dropped.d
 
Azhar is clearly far more competent and in form than any of our openers. It's like our batting only begins at when we're 2 down, and once the openers are out the way we can start scoring some proper runs like Azhar and Babar are doing now.

Push Azhar up to open, bring in Saud Shakeel or Kamran Ghulam, some batsmen who know these conditions and are in record breaking form. Would be nice for our batting lineup to start from ball 1, not 2 wickets down.
 
Nope.

Why should azhar ali be forced to open when other players suck.

This is not his job. He is an ideal one down batsmen.

You shift azhar to open, you are exposing the batting line up once he grts out.

Babar azam is proving himself to be a big joke.
 
Yes, he should be if he has to be played.

Need to boot Abid Ali.
 
Yes team requires short term solution atleast for this season . If he is not comfortable open with saud .Please for god sake drop abid ali
 
He's looking a bit too comfortable at 3 to move him. If the openers aren't working then change the openers, but don't change something that is clearly working.
 
Abid Ali is seriously disappointing everyone.. needs the boot... Imran Butt was much better than him ..plays with confidence and needs the extended run

Middle Order of Babar ... Fawad ... Rizwan is solid ... no need to change that...

Azhar should move up with Imran Butt with Saud coming at 3 ..

P.S. annyone who thinks Babar has anything to prove is a joker (who isn't funny as well)
 
He's looking a bit too comfortable at 3 to move him. If the openers aren't working then change the openers, but don't change something that is clearly working.

We dont have a single decent opener in pakistan, let alone two.
 
The opening situation is a complete shambles.

I backed Abid's inclusion because looking at the numbers, he was far and away the leading domestic opener of the last 5-6 years. However he seems soft under pressure and hasn't scored any meaningful runs for a year.

I still oppose Imran Butt's selection because his domestic record is awful with only two decent seasons since 2012. So do you go back to Imam with his poor Test record ? Sharjeel is seen as a white ball option. Zaryab and Shafique are nowhere near ready

The problem is Azhar too is on his last legs as a batsman, at best he's got another one or two years left. So while he should open temporarily, we've still gotta find two openers anyway.
 
The opening situation is a complete shambles.

I backed Abid's inclusion because looking at the numbers, he was far and away the leading domestic opener of the last 5-6 years. However he seems soft under pressure and hasn't scored any meaningful runs for a year.

I still oppose Imran Butt's selection because his domestic record is awful with only two decent seasons since 2012. So do you go back to Imam with his poor Test record ? Sharjeel is seen as a white ball option. Zaryab and Shafique are nowhere near ready

The problem is Azhar too is on his last legs as a batsman, at best he's got another one or two years left. So while he should open temporarily, we've still gotta find two openers anyway.

For now Azhar needs to open and bring along opener at other end. Hopefully once azhar retires that opener established and 2nd new opener can be selected in.
 
It was stupid move by the management when they decided to remove him from the opening spot, he is the best opener in Pakistan & should always play as an opener.

I really like him as a player & really want him to play 100 test matches & cement his position as pakistani ATG in test cricket.
 
He pretty much opens anyway, so the answer is obvious.

Pak have two walking wickets atm.
 
The opening situation is a complete shambles.

I backed Abid's inclusion because looking at the numbers, he was far and away the leading domestic opener of the last 5-6 years. However he seems soft under pressure and hasn't scored any meaningful runs for a year.

I still oppose Imran Butt's selection because his domestic record is awful with only two decent seasons since 2012. So do you go back to Imam with his poor Test record ? Sharjeel is seen as a white ball option. Zaryab and Shafique are nowhere near ready

The problem is Azhar too is on his last legs as a batsman, at best he's got another one or two years left. So while he should open temporarily, we've still gotta find two openers anyway.

Valid point regarding Azhar opening.

To add options I think Haider Ali was was one of the best last seasons but, this year he couldnt play QAE as he was touring NZ with the Pak side so not sure how will he be developed or considered as he definitely has some talent.

Omair Yousuf didnt have a great season but has a solid technique and overall averages 38 currently so he is there too.

Also I think Sharjeel shouldnt only be restricted to white ball cricket if he is being considered.

Imam has played 11 tests @25, not good but is far from the worst starts I have seen in test cricket and he has shown good temperament against some quality bowlers in ODI cricket so he shouldn’t be written off just yet.
 
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Both Abid ali and Butt are not long term options. We know about Abid Ali know and Imran butt looks like edging one to slips even in these slow and low wickets wonder what will happen in away games.
 
Considering the fact Pakistan only decent batsmen are all middle order batsmen, of course Azhar should open. It never made sense he moved down from the spot in the first place considering Pakistan openers have forever been awful.

But I expect from this foolish think tank to continue with Azhar at 3 and running out two walking wickets for openers.
 
Valid point regarding Azhar opening.

To add options I think Haider Ali was was one of the best last seasons but, this year he couldnt play QAE as he was touring NZ with the Pak side so not sure how will he be developed or considered as he definitely has some talent.

Omair Yousuf didnt have a great season but has a solid technique and overall averages 38 currently so he is there too.

Also I think Sharjeel shouldnt only be restricted to white ball cricket if he is being considered.

Imam has played 11 tests @25, not good but is far from the worst starts I have seen in test cricket and he has shown good temperament against some quality bowlers in ODI cricket so he shouldn’t be written off just yet.

ODI openers get away with poor technics in shorter formats. How many ODI openers globally are playing test cricket and opening and doing well barring warner?

Imam is as bad as abid vs short stuff and fast bowling in tests so far. Even Mo wasim has said imam isnt ready for red ball stuff and hes right.
 
I predicted yesterday that whatever we were chasing we would need our middle order to score because we would be something like 24-2 with both openers back in the pavilion. We were actually 23-2. :91:

As for Azhar, yes it would make sense, he's a sensible and cautious batsman, and he ends up opening anyway as our current openers never survive the first 10 overs.
 
It should have been done many years ago. Now he is 38 and has only few months of cricket left in him.

Pakistan should now start filling up couple of talented young guys in ( not in place of Azhar but still in top order) and work on their development.
 
Only fast bowler who significantly changed his action and became better was Immy. And I am not talking about mr windmill.
 
Azhar Ali has always been a new ball batsmen, and will continue to be one for the foreseeable future. Really doesn't make a difference if he bats at #1 or #3. He's virtually guaranteed to be batting in the first 7 overs

Of course it would help the team selection significantly if Azhar was to open, so a non-performer like Abid could be replaced with someone who can actually score runs.

Pakistan waiting too long to replace Shafiq, hope they don't make the same mistake again.
 
Our batting order has 2 less batsman than every other country, and we consistently try to make up for it by pinning pressure on Rizwan, Faheem (who has delivered), Yasir and the other tailenders to make up for these liabilities at the top of the order.

We cannot keep beginning every batting innings 2 wickets down. Move Azhar up, give us a chance to make any form of a solid opening partnership and foundation for our innings.
 
It's the logical thing to do at this point. We are constantly losing 1 or 2 wickets inside the first few overs which puts the middle order under immense pressure.

Even in this recent match against SA, the only two times we were under pressure was when we lost early wickets.
 
ODI openers get away with poor technics in shorter formats. How many ODI openers globally are playing test cricket and opening and doing well barring warner?

Imam is as bad as abid vs short stuff and fast bowling in tests so far. Even Mo wasim has said imam isnt ready for red ball stuff and hes right.

No doubt Imam has issues against shorter length and also ball coming into his pads from right arm pacer sometimes but, these things can be worked upon as otherwise he has stable base, gets behind the ball and plays with a straight bat without being troubled much by pace as well which are some decent traits as opener. More importantly he has shown good temperament under pressure in ODIs so if he can fine tune a few things he can potentially be a decent test opener in my opinion. Unfortunately as he was with Pak team, he couldnt get to play QAE to improve his red ball reputation this season.

Yes I agree that not many white ball openers are test openers. Imam is more of an ODI only opener currently as his game isnt as suited to T20 that much, so considering his overall game transition to test batting if he works hard is possible.
 
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Azhar can't open anymore too old, he clearly struggles his reflexes are gone. And really openers are just there to blunt the ball allowing the middle order to score, opening is way tougher especially for our batsmen, even in domestic our best openers average just high 30s even though the best middle order batsmen average high 40s/50.

Azhar is better off using his experience to score big in the middle order. He's still probably one of our best middle order batsmen.

Really openers can be anyone as long as they can give a bit of a start, blunt the ball. We don't need them to score huge scores, and if our best openers can only achieve a mid 30 average is all then that'll have to do. I think we're searching for these excellent openers which aren't there in domestic, no one averages way above the rest as openers, and even better batting talent countries struggle to find proper openers, look how England struggled to find proper test openers since Cook (or even strauss) retired. It's tough.

What you could argue is constantly dropping/chopping and changing openers, you're not even going to get the best of those average openers. I would have just chosen Imam and Sami before, they opened together in the past working well with each other, young enough to develop and probably the ones with the most potential. And just play them consistently without fear of dropping them. No opening pair really has any experience playing with each other, we keep changing them, and the guys we bring in usually have no experience playing with each other in domestic either.
 
I doubt he will want to do this.

Normally with Pakistan cricket our seniors prefer to go lower in the order.
 
I would have left him out of this series and given the likes of Saud Shakeel a chance.

Azhar has nothing to prove against the likes of Zimbabwe and really it's just a case of bosting the average with some soft runs.
 
I would have left him out of this series and given the likes of Saud Shakeel a chance.

Azhar has nothing to prove against the likes of Zimbabwe and really it's just a case of bosting the average with some soft runs.

Azhar only plays tests. And Pakistan hardly plays tests.

I would rather give chances to young guns in the limited overs cricket. Why did World no. 1 Babar Azam who plays tests, ODIs and T20s felt the need to play all 3 T20s vs Zimbabwe? That is the real question for me.
 
Azhar only plays tests. And Pakistan hardly plays tests.

I would rather give chances to young guns in the limited overs cricket. Why did World no. 1 Babar Azam who plays tests, ODIs and T20s felt the need to play all 3 T20s vs Zimbabwe? That is the real question for me.

He's the captain and he needs the experience
 
Azhar, Rizwan and Shaheen should not have featured in this test match. They have noting to gain playing in such a series.
 
Azhar is simply not consistent enough to be Pakistan's top batsman.
 
Seems like he should move back out of the team.

He's blocking Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin's place.
 
Seems like he should move back out of the team.

He's blocking Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin's place.

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Kamran Ghulam as well.

Three top performing batsmen, that will do a very good job and certainly better than a declining Azhar.

Azhar would have made it as an opener alone, but tough competition for the no. 3 role.
 
Seems like he should move back out of the team.

He's blocking Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin's place.

hes not going anywhere, pak have set a precedent of selecting test batsmen well into their 40s. at the least hes gonna stick around till hes played 100 tests.
 
With Fawad Alam currently in the Test team as a experience middle order batsman. There's no need for Azhar Ali whatsoever. Kamran Ghulam, Agha Ali Salman, Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin are all waiting in the wings. Yet Azhar and Abid are becoming undroppable.
 
Forget opener.
Azhar Ali should not be in the team.
He's outlived his usefulness. he was supposed to be the successor to Younis/Yousuf but failed. His stats just aren't good enough for a number 3 in this day and age.
 
I'm surprised Azhar has played so many tests and is pretty close to YK in matches played considering he debuted in 2010. YK seems he's been around forever and is only a few matches ahead

32 matches is a big difference for Pakistan - that's almost about 4 or 5 years of cricket.
 
Azhar only plays tests. And Pakistan hardly plays tests.

I would rather give chances to young guns in the limited overs cricket. Why did World no. 1 Babar Azam who plays tests, ODIs and T20s felt the need to play all 3 T20s vs Zimbabwe? That is the real question for me.

Well Babar's the captain and I guess he wants match action ahead of the T20 World Cup this year.
 
Not a bad idea...sooner or later we will need a no 3, and thats the only way to blood one.
May be Saud Shakeel at 3?
 
Forget opener.
Azhar Ali should not be in the team.
He's outlived his usefulness. he was supposed to be the successor to Younis/Yousuf but failed. His stats just aren't good enough for a number 3 in this day and age.

Its these sorts of drastic decisions that cause our downfall. You cant replace a player until you have found a replacement.
Azhar Ali is a vital member in the rebuilding process and he has been scoring runs this season. He played a vital 30-40 odd in the recent chase against SA to seal the series where wickets were tumbling on other end as usual while chasing a low total. He brings a vast amount of experience and an average of 42-43 is pretty good for a number 3. We already have an unsettled opening pair and lower order with Rizwan, Fawad and Fahim all establishing themselves.

Pakistan should absolutely start grooming Saud in Azhar's role gradually, keeping him with the team and giving him games here and there to get a taste of cricket and work on his game. Saud needs to LOOK LIKE he can replace Azhar before he actually does. This series and specially second test I am hoping Saud gets a game.
 
Above average player who is beyond his expiry date now. The sooner he retires the better for Pakistan cricket
 
What a player he was in tests...for all of his quirks was a true test great for us.

Is Azhar Ali someone we can depend on at times of crisis? or is he someone who performs well when things are going easy? That is an important question to answer when judging him.
 
Is Azhar Ali someone we can depend on at times of crisis? or is he someone who performs well when things are going easy? That is an important question to answer when judging him.

Azhar Ali has pretty good record. Not as good as Younis, but a really good nonetheless.
For example, Rahane also averages 41 in test cricket which is in-line with Azhar Ali.
Azhar has many match winning innings, most recently against SA in recent series win.
 
Instead of opening Azhar Ali should go back to home now. He is the most mediocre batsman I have seen who have played for Pakistan and it can only happen in Pakistan that such an average batsman goes on to play so many tests. If not a pakistani he would have been never picked in any other top test playing nations. Whatever his stats says I hate him being as a specialist batsman in an international lineup.
 
Done best as an opener so not a bad idea given condition of our openers.

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some stupid posters writing against Azhar Ali need to remember that if this man keeps on going he will give you a test career of some 8K test runs at ~44-45 with many double hundreds and even a triple hundred. He towers over Indian Pujara in many many aspects esp in SENA (check the deep stat thread) where many mouths from India were silenced.

Pakistan needs big numbers in its stats from current generation of players. Men who reach 8-10K runs, 250 wickets etc. We have become a nation of desperate fans who destroy their own players, which is why last Pakistani fast bowlers to take 200 wickets in ODI were Shoaib Akhtar and Waqar Younis in tests. Last Pakistani batsman to cross 8000 test runs was Younis Khan. These men are literally from 90s. Let Azhar Ali, Hasan Ali, Shaheen, Babar Azam, Imam, may be even Shafiq if he returns accumulate big numbers so that this culture of establishing long careers flourish in Pakistani cricket and youngsters have something to look to.
 
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