Should England batsmen be given extra brownie points for batting in England conditions?

[Ab Fan]

I believe we all would agree with the idea that England conditions are the toughest to bat because the Duke Bowl moves a bit throughout the day and you are never set in completely.

South Africa and New Zealand are also seamer friendly conditions but they use Kookaburra which loses its shine after the bowl becomes old. If you see off the new bowl, conditions becomes easier although in SA, there is always that variable bounce which can cause problems to the batsmen.

Australian wickets have been flat and true bounce where you can dominate bowlers once your eyes are in. Indians deliberately produce wickets that becomes flatter when they bat and become rank turners when they bowl.

So, do you think England batsmen deserve extra brownie point for batting in the tough home wickets of England against the Duke bowl and does that same applies vice versa to their bowlers? What about South Africa and New Zealand?

Discuss!

 

[therealAB]

Not really. They still average much higher home than away. I’d argue the low average in England are caused by Englands poor batsmen and good bowlers

 

[Last Monetarist]

I don't necessarily think so, good batsmen are able to adjust regardless to the conditions.

England have some real average batsmen coming through the first-class system at the moment, and I would expect them to perform to type even on flat wickets.

 

[Smbhayi]

Indians deliberately produce wickets that becomes flatter when they bat and become rank turners when they bowl.

Job well-done

 

[Ab Fan]

Test batting average of some England batters:-

Gooch 42
Gower 44
Thorpe 44
Vaughan 41
Cook 45
KP 47
Root 47
Stokes 38
Atherton 37

Many would argue that most of these batters were better than their average suggest. A case can also be made that due to the conditions in England which they have to get used to, they find it harder to dominate opposition in India and Australia on flat wickets and score big hundreds. So, should there be a leeway for them or for that matter, the Kiwis and Saffers also?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Test batting average of some England batters:-

Gooch 42
Gower 44
Thorpe 44
Vaughan 41
Cook 45
KP 47
Root 47
Stokes 38
Atherton 37

Many would argue that most of these batters were better than their average suggest. A case can also be made that due to the conditions in England which they have to get used to, they find it harder to dominate opposition in India and Australia on flat wickets and score big hundreds. So, should there be a leeway for them or for that matter, the Kiwis and Saffers also?

Their averages are fine.

You don't give extra points to subcontinent batsmen piling runs on square turners then why would you give benefit to English batsmen.

It takes a special effort to have an average or 50+ . England has produced many batsmen averaging 50+

 

[Rana]

And people want to de-credit asian players for scoring tons of runs in the sub-continent, but the same English batsmen can’t score them in those conditions like the Asians do. Makes no sense

 

[Bhaijaan]

Things even out eventually.

English conditions can be challenging sometimes for batamen but it's far worse for touring batsmen.

Pakistani batsmen however deserve extra credit because they are always playing out of home hence ideally I always add 1-4 runs in average of a Pakistani batsman before judging him.

 

[therealAB]

Things even out eventually.

English conditions can be challenging sometimes for batamen but it's far worse for touring batsmen.

Pakistani batsmen however deserve extra credit because they are always playing out of home hence ideally I always add 1-4 runs in average of a Pakistani batsman before judging him.

Agree with the English one, but for Pak surely it should be the other way given UAE is so incredibly flat

 

[Savak]

Test batting average of some England batters:-

Gooch 42
Gower 44
Thorpe 44
Vaughan 41
Cook 45
KP 47
Root 47
Stokes 38
Atherton 37

Many would argue that most of these batters were better than their average suggest. A case can also be made that due to the conditions in England which they have to get used to, they find it harder to dominate opposition in India and Australia on flat wickets and score big hundreds. So, should there be a leeway for them or for that matter, the Kiwis and Saffers also?

Look at the bowling attacks the likes of Gooch, Gower, Thorpe, Atherton faced in the era they played in, they would be averaging close to 50 today

 

[Robert]

You might as well argue for brownie points for batting on bouncy wickets in Australia or slow turners in Asia.

Every country presents different challenges for visitors.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Congrats to Creepy Crawley for effectively hitting 350 today taking into account how difficult it is to bat in England.

 

[King Kong]

Typical Indian! Trying too hard to suck up to others, and this is coming from an Indian himself.

 

[Ab Fan]

Congrats to Creepy Crawley for effectively hitting 350 today taking into account how difficult it is to bat in England.

It is. One match on a flat wicket after years doesn't change that even if that claim was made on that given day. What is tough is tough.

 

[Ab Fan]

Typical Indian! Trying too hard to suck up to others, and this is coming from an Indian himself.

It's a reality check for you, my little brother.