Should ICC umpires be restricted from officiating in the IPL?

[Madplayer]

There is clearly a conflict of interest when umpires get a paid vacation in the IPL and then officiate in international Indian matches.

Does it affect their judgement in any way? Does it provide some sort of advantage to India, even if just 1% where close calls are likely to be given in their favour?

Thoughts?

 

[rhony]

When you have third umpires and the rules were followed, there shouldn't be any issue. Maybe you should pin point occasions where rules weren't followed to aid legitimacy to your post

 

[Madplayer]

When you have third umpires and the rules were followed, there shouldn't be any issue. Maybe you should pin point occasions where rules weren't followed to aid legitimacy to your post

We have seen in this tournament itself. Noballs and wides which could have gone either way were given in favour of India. But thats besides the point. The question is broader in scope.

 

[rhony]

We have seen in this tournament itself. Noballs and wides which could have gone either way were given in favour of India.

A couple of run-outs like Axar's and DKs that could have gone either way went against India too. The 50-50 decisions typically go to batsmen in cricket but in this case they went against Indians. Also the no balls in both games weren't iffy. Virat appealed it and that seems to have raised concerns. However, they were legitimate no balls

 

[Madplayer]

A couple of run-outs like Axar's and DKs that could have gone either way went against India too. The 50-50 decisions typically go to batsmen in cricket but in this case they went against Indians. Also the no balls in both games weren't iffy. Virat appealed it and that seems to have raised concerns. However, they were legitimate no balls

If they were legitimate they wouldn't have been discussed to death on every platform out there. And we all saw how umpires dance to the tune of Kohli while ignore what the opposition players say.

Anyway, Stick to the question please. Is it not conflict of interest for them?

 

[ex-q-zit]

We had IPL since 2007. Please can you say how many ICC trophies India won since 2013? ICC officials have been officiating for 15 years. Are you saying they started being bias for IPL contracts only this year?

Pakistani players like Salman Butt, Kamran akmal, Aaqib javed, yiunus Khan have all said it was a no ball. Do they also have dubious intentions?

I understand Pak is out of world cup after losing to ZIM which in fact lost to BD n NED. But dumping all those frustrations on India is amusing

 

[RexRex]

The IPL contracted umpires have a soft spot for team India but we ain't complaining

 

[Madplayer]

We had IPL since 2007. Please can you say how many ICC trophies India won since 2013? ICC officials have been officiating for 15 years. Are you saying they started being bias for IPL contracts only this year?

Pakistani players like Salman Butt, Kamran akmal, Aaqib javed, yiunus Khan have all said it was a no ball. Do they also have dubious intentions?

I understand Pak is out of world cup after losing to ZIM which in fact lost to BD n NED. But dumping all those frustrations on India is amusing

India didnt win many trophies because of their own bottle jobs. Ab kya match hi platter pe de dein? You also have to play well for the better part of the game. Nobody is denying India is a good team. Just that in crunch situations, if there is a close call, it almost always goes in favour of India. Today even the playing conditions werent great but the umpires hastened on to the ground filled with puddles of water. Pathetic.

 

[fitCricFan]

We have seen in this tournament itself. Noballs and wides which could have gone either way were given in favour of India. But thats besides the point. The question is broader in scope.

When you say either way shouldn't that be enough!!! Basically if Pakistan wins then its the team/players are lauded but if Pakistan looses then its ICC/BCCI/Umpires/Ground Staff/everybody else who conspired to defeat Pakistan. We can't even graciously accept that its a mediocre team with a couple of good players and will loose most of the times playing AUS/NZ/SA/IND

 

[Local.Dada]

India didnt win many trophies because of their own bottle jobs. Ab kya match hi platter pe de dein? You also have to play well for the better part of the game. Nobody is denying India is a good team. Just that in crunch situations, if there is a close call, it almost always goes in favour of India. Today even the playing conditions werent great but the umpires hastened on to the ground filled with puddles of water. Pathetic.

Wait i am confused. Indian team must be associate level because they can’t get the job done in knockouts but they need ICC help to get there

Bhai jaan take a chill pill, there are many games washed out by rain and the organizers want to get a result in. Also how does wet ball and outfield help the Indian team?

Also the target made it easy for Bangladesh.

Save these conspiracies for something else.

It starts of with feeling some sympathy as your team was knocked out so can understand, then some of the loony theories are funny and at some point it does get on peoples nerves.

So you are telling me puddles on the ground affect the batters but not the bowlers and fielders?

 

[rhony]

If they were legitimate they wouldn't have been discussed to death on every platform out there. And we all saw how umpires dance to the tune of Kohli while ignore what the opposition players say.

Anyway, Stick to the question please. Is it not conflict of interest for them?

It is discussed to death because the batsman appealed it. It doesn't deny the fact that they were legitimate no balls. Your premise that people get influenced by money should also include the foreign players in that case. Messi shouldn't be playing in an Arg vs Spain or France game. Butler or Boult shouldn't be playing vs India.

Umpires have checks and balances. Players don't. They can easily underperform without any doubts. But they don't. They are professionals. The conclusion is, you are clutching at straws trying to delegitimize Indian victories because you cannot comprehend the losses of your own team. However, ICC doesn't think so. As long as they are confident that players and umpires are professional, there shouldn't be any problem

 

[rhony]

India didnt win many trophies because of their own bottle jobs. Ab kya match hi platter pe de dein? You also have to play well for the better part of the game. Nobody is denying India is a good team. Just that in crunch situations, if there is a close call, it almost always goes in favour of India. Today even the playing conditions werent great but the umpires hastened on to the ground filled with puddles of water. Pathetic.

Puddles of water and wet ball helps the bowlers and fielders?? LOL!! Umpires job is to complete the game if possible. Looks like they made a right choice and the game was completed without issues. BD bottled it. Indians caught everything in those "puddles of water" and fielded well.

 

[Madplayer]

It is discussed to death because the batsman appealed it. It doesn't deny the fact that they were legitimate no balls. Your premise that people get influenced by money should also include the foreign players in that case. Messi shouldn't be playing in an Arg vs Spain or France game. Butler or Boult shouldn't be playing vs India.

Umpires have checks and balances. Players don't. They can easily underperform without any doubts. But they don't. They are professionals. The conclusion is, you are clutching at straws trying to delegitimize Indian victories because you cannot comprehend the losses of your own team. However, ICC doesn't think so. As long as they are confident that players and umpires are professional, there shouldn't be any problem

I suggest you read this post once more and see how the analogy between players and umpires that you have created doesn't make any sense.

It is one thing that the Umpires favour Indian batsmen on close calls to get IPL contracts. I have maintained from the beginning that these are close calls and could go either way which means, the quality of umpiring would remain relatively unquestioned. The question was that whether conflict of interest arises and whether it affects umpire decision in these close calls.

It is a completely different thing for foreign players to "deliberately" underperform. That would weaken their reputation of performing well under pressure and affect their prospects in their own team let alone foreign leagues.

 

[Madplayer]

Puddles of water and wet ball helps the bowlers and fielders?? LOL!! Umpires job is to complete the game if possible. Looks like they made a right choice and the game was completed without issues. BD bottled it. Indians caught everything in those "puddles of water" and fielded well.

Erm, that would make some sense if India wasnt losing by 17 runs up until then. Thats why Erasmus almost jumped on the ground and started clearing the water all by himself.

 

[Rajdeep]

India didnt win many trophies because of their own bottle jobs. Ab kya match hi platter pe de dein? You also have to play well for the better part of the game. Nobody is denying India is a good team. Just that in crunch situations, if there is a close call, it almost always goes in favour of India. Today even the playing conditions werent great but the umpires hastened on to the ground filled with puddles of water. Pathetic.

India won today due to terrific run out effort from KL Rahul. Bangladesh chocked from there on...there was no playing condition involved and certainly no conspiracy.

But hey, carry on. It only makes the victory even more sweet

 

[Local.Dada]

I suggest you read this post once more and see how the analogy between players and umpires that you have created doesn't make any sense.

It is one thing that the Umpires favour Indian batsmen on close calls to get IPL contracts. I have maintained from the beginning that these are close calls and could go either way which means, the quality of umpiring would remain relatively unquestioned. The question was that whether conflict of interest arises and whether it affects umpire decision in these close calls.

It is a completely different thing for foreign players to "deliberately" underperform. That would weaken their reputation of performing well under pressure and affect their prospects in their own team let alone foreign leagues.

Based on your logic, forget umpires pretty much a large chunk of ICC revenues come from BCCI.

There is one thing to taunt and have fun to underplay your rivals (India in this case) and then there is actually believing in these dumb conspiracies.

Why didn’t the umpire cheat during the toss during the last WT20 then where India got knocked out?

The fact that you are still rationalizing your post which was opened with emotions which is understandable doesn’t help lol.

IPL has been going on since 15 yrs, how many umpiring decisions have helped India in world tournaments? Or are you telling me Indian team is not good enough to play without external help.

You need to quit when you are still ahead. I feel the other person who started a similar thread is just having fun but you seem to be drinking this koolaid.

Nothing personal but this is a very foolish premise

 

[SamNJ]

This is along the same line that IPL contracted players playing against India underperform due to conflict of interests.

 

[Madplayer]

Wait i am confused. Indian team must be associate level because they can’t get the job done in knockouts but they need ICC help to get there

What? You have missed the entire point of the thread. Read my replied to rhony to get some idea of what the question actually is.

Bhai jaan take a chill pill, there are many games washed out by rain and the organizers want to get a result in. Also how does wet ball and outfield help the Indian team?

India was losing at that time. It would have slipped further away from them if more overs were lost. So they hastened on to the ground. Liton even slipped and injured himself.

Also the target made it easy for Bangladesh.

No. RRR increased. If more overs would have been lost (which would have been the case if ground was cleared properly) it would have been advantage BD.

Save these conspiracies for something else.

It starts of with feeling some sympathy as your team was knocked out so can understand, then some of the loony theories are funny and at some point it does get on peoples nerves.

So you are telling me puddles on the ground affect the batters but not the bowlers and fielders? Stop displaying low iq.

Again, India was losing badly when they hastened to get back. I didnt say puddles of water on the ground was to the advantage of India. Quit the extrapolation. I said they didnt even wait for the ground to be cleared properly. And in any case, getting back on to the ground quickly was in the interest of India because they were losing.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Next will be

"Should international players be restricted from participating in IPL there is conflict of interest"

 

[Local.Dada]

What? You have missed the entire point of the thread. Read my replied to rhony to get some idea of what the question actually is.



India was losing at that time. It would have slipped further away from them if more overs were lost. So they hastened on to the ground. Liton even slipped and injured himself.



No. RRR increased. If more overs would have been lost (which would have been the case if ground was cleared properly) it would have been advantage BD.


Again, India was losing badly when they hastened to get back. I didnt say puddles of water on the ground was to the advantage of India. Quit the extrapolation. I said they didnt even wait for the ground to be cleared properly. And in any case, getting back on to the ground quickly was in the interest of India because they were losing.

Can you tell me what the original RrR was before and after rain?

Also you realize with 10 wkts a reduced target makes it easy even if the rrr increases right? How long have you been watching cricket may I ask ?

 

[Madplayer]

Based on your logic, forget umpires pretty much a large chunk of ICC revenues come from BCCI.

There is one thing to taunt and have fun to underplay your rivals (India in this case) and then there is actually believing in these dumb conspiracies.

Why didn’t the umpire cheat during the toss during the last WT20 then where India got knocked out?

The fact that you are still rationalizing your post which was opened with emotions which is understandable doesn’t help lol.

IPL has been going on since 15 yrs, how many umpiring decisions have helped India in world tournaments? Or are you telling me Indian team is not good enough to play without external help.

You need to quit when you are still ahead. I feel the other person who started a similar thread is just having fun but you seem to be drinking this koolaid.

Nothing personal but this is a very foolish premise

So according to you, there is no conflict of interest at all. Okay. I disagree. Thanks for your "unbiased" response.

 

[Madplayer]

Next will be

"Should international players be restricted from participating in IPL there is conflict of interest"

Already addressed in the thread.

 

[Local.Dada]

So according to you, there is no conflict of interest at all. Okay. I disagree. Thanks for your "unbiased" response.

It’s not IPL’s or India’s problem if other leagues cannot or don’t pay ICC panel umpires. Maybe hire Erasmus for PSL and pay him more money, will serve in the long run.

A solution that fits your problem

 

[Madplayer]

Can you tell me what the original RrR was before and after rain?

Also you realize with 10 wkts a reduced target makes it easy even if the rrr increases right? How long have you been watching cricket may I ask ?

9.15 before the rain and 9.44 after the rain.

You said the target was made easy for BD and if you go purely by RRR then you are wrong. But when you bring in wickets in hand and all, it isnt properly quantifiable and becomes a subjective thing. If thats your way of looking at things, then i have nothing to say.

 

[Local.Dada]

9.15 before the rain and 9.44 after the rain.
.

) game set match

 

[Mp812]

It is a good suggestion in theory only.

Question is when such a rule is implemented where will you find quality international umpires to replace the ones who may mass retire so that they can officiate only in IPL, BBL and other leagues?

 

[Madplayer]

It’s not IPL’s or India’s problem if other leagues cannot or don’t pay ICC panel umpires. Maybe hire Erasmus for PSL and pay him more money, will serve in the long run.

A solution that fits your problem

Why do you think I want an advantage for Pakistani players by buying Erasmus? Clearly a case of chor ki daadi mai tinka. I want nothing of that sort. Just want to iron out any potential ethical issues.

 

[Madplayer]

) game set match

What's there to laugh about? Do you think 9.15 is more than 9.44 in your mind?

 

[Madplayer]

It is a good suggestion in theory only.

Question is when such a rule is implemented where will you find quality international umpires to replace the ones who may mass retire so that they can officiate only in IPL, BBL and other leagues?

Now thats a good question. And should be looked into.

 

[GreenBee]

This is getting ridiculous now. Literally all 50-50 runout or catch decisions were given against India.

This is just the case of two good for nothing minnows throwing away matches they should have won and then crying foul over nothing.

 

[Local.Dada]

What's there to laugh about? Do you think 9.15 is more than 9.44 in your mind?

IN A REDUCED GAME with all wickets in hand 9.44 is definitely easier than 9.15 of sustained hitting over 20 overs. I can’t believe I have to expand on that on a cricket forum

 

[Madplayer]

No one cares what you want sunshine. You are just clutching at straws. Nothing more to discuss.

Another post that adds nothing to the thread and answers no questions. Truly nothing more to discuss.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Already addressed in the thread.

May be there should be a separate world cup for Pakistan alone where you can hire non-IPL umpires play a side that have only non-IPL players.

 

[Mamoon]

People accusing umpires for being biased would conveniently ignore the Axar Patel run-out against Pakistan.

There was not a shred of evidence that the ball hit the stumps before Rizwan’s gloves. It was a 50-50 call and the umpire ruled in Pakistan’s favor.

If the roles were reversed and it was a Pakistani batsman, that decision would also be added to the “ICC favors BCCI” list and we would be given lectures on how the benefit of doubt should go to the batsmen.

Similarly, they will talk about Nawaz’s marginal no-ball but will not mention the fact that he bowled an identical delivery on the second ball of the over which the umpire did not declare a no-ball.

It could have easily been a no-ball as well, and when you do the same thing again in the same over the umpires are much more likely to punish you.

Whether we admit it or not, Pakistani fans have a victim complex. It doesn’t matter what justifications they provide to defend themselves because it is what it is.

 

[jnaveen1980]

What's there to laugh about? Do you think 9.15 is more than 9.44 in your mind?

For example

10 wickets in hand

1 over 10 runs vs 10 overs 91

According to you first one is more difficult?

 

[Madplayer]

IN A REDUCED GAME with all wickets in hand 9.44 is definitely easier than 9.15 of sustained hitting over 20 overs. I can’t believe I have to expand on that on a cricket forum

Thats your opinion.
I would take 9.15 for 13 overs over 9.44 for 9 overs. Gives my players more time to settle if we lose a wicket. All subjective.
And idk why we are even discussing this. Stop derailing the thread.

 

[Local.Dada]

For example

10 wickets in hand

1 over 10 runs vs 10 overs 91

According to you first one is more difficult?

If he didn’t understand by now and you still have to expand on it I don’t think it will ever work

 

[jnaveen1980]

People accusing umpires for being biased would conveniently ignore the Axar Patel run-out against Pakistan.

There was not a shred of evidence that the ball hit the stumps before Rizwan’s gloves. It was a 50-50 call and the umpire ruled in Pakistan’s favor.

If the roles were reversed and it was a Pakistani batsman, that decision would also be added to the “ICC favors BCCI” list and we would be given lectures on how the benefit of doubt should go to the batsmen.

Similarly, they will talk about Nawaz’s marginal no-ball but will not mention the fact that he bowled an identical delivery on the second ball of the over which the umpire did not declare a no-ball.

It could have easily been a no-ball as well, and when you do the same thing again in the same over the umpires are much more likely to punish you.

Whether we admit it or not, Pakistani fans have a victim complex. It doesn’t matter what justifications they provide to defend themselves because it is what it is.

To top that this is not even a Pakistan match lol

 

[sweep_shot]

Do Indian players play outside of India and IPL? No.

ICC umpires should only be associated with ICC games to keep them refreshed.

 

[Madplayer]

For example

10 wickets in hand

1 over 10 runs vs 10 overs 91

According to you first one is more difficult?

Ofcourse 1 in 10 is easier but at the same time 10 overs 91 runs scenario gives more chances of coming back and finishing the game in 9 overs. I dont think these are good comparisons anyway. This is an oversimplification in a game which is quite complicated.

 

[ekpakistani]

If they don't address this then cricket is well on the way to become WWE.

 

[Madplayer]

Do Indian players play outside of India and IPL? No.

ICC umpires should only be associated with ICC games to keep them refreshed.

I agree.

 

[Madplayer]

If they don't address this then cricket is well on the way to become WWE.

It looks like that.

 

[pakpassfan]

We had IPL since 2007. Please can you say how many ICC trophies India won since 2013? ICC officials have been officiating for 15 years. Are you saying they started being bias for IPL contracts only this year?

Pakistani players like Salman Butt, Kamran akmal, Aaqib javed, yiunus Khan have all said it was a no ball. Do they also have dubious intentions?

I understand Pak is out of world cup after losing to ZIM which in fact lost to BD n NED. But dumping all those frustrations on India is amusing

ICC don't need India to win to make money..just needs to ensure India does not get early exit like 2007 world cup...the greedy ICC still cries for the $$$ they missed in that world cup

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I used to think all the umpires in IPL were Indians? Does BCCI not believe in 'vocal for local'?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Imaginary bias can be presented in wide variety of ways.

Richard Illingworth did umpiring in PSL
Michael Gough did umpiring in PSL

 

[jnaveen1980]

Several foreign players take part in PSL too. They take part in BBL county CPL you name it. Cricket is mainly played by 10 countries. Heavily played by 8 of them. These umpires can easily show bias just to help qualify their own country. Can they not? There is a fine line between fact and fiction

 

[WengerOut]

Before rain Bangladesh needed 119 from 13 overs with 10 wickets in hand.

After rain Bangladesh needed 85 runs from 9 overs with 10 wickets in hand.

Any half decent team would have won that match. Infact they needed 50 from last 4 overs with all main batsmen gone and still reached within 5 runs of the target. This shows main batsmen bottled it. Litton was running in the most dry area of the ground and slipped. No batsmen or fielders slipped after. But it has to be the BCCI kaanspiracy...

 

[ravisurya]

Pakistan should withdraw from all international cricket as a protest, they dont go far in tournaments anyway. That would teach bccICC a lesson.

 

[ravisurya]

This is a dumb thread. Don't these umpires also officiate in BBl, PSL, Hundred etc

That doesnt help with the conspiracy theories which in turn are used to deflect from the humiliation of losing to Zimbabwe.

 

[Technics 1210]

There is clearly a conflict of interest when umpires get a paid vacation in the IPL and then officiate in international Indian matches.

Does it affect their judgement in any way? Does it provide some sort of advantage to India, even if just 1% where close calls are likely to be given in their favour?

Thoughts?

A resounding yes since IPL is not an ICC tournament.

 

[ex-q-zit]

9.15 before the rain and 9.44 after the rain.

You said the target was made easy for BD and if you go purely by RRR then you are wrong. But when you bring in wickets in hand and all, it isnt properly quantifiable and becomes a subjective thing. If thats your way of looking at things, then i have nothing to say.

Out of 16 overs BD batted 6 overs of powerplay scoring 66. So obviously they will have to have higher RRR. Whats teh rocket science in this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If umpires are supposedly biased because they get paid in the IPL, why spare the players? They also get millions to play the IPL.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Define "conflict of interest".

Its great to use big terms, but you have to define what it means.

What does "Conflict of interest" really mean.

I am all ears.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Restricting umpires from officiating a league in a country may lead to a slippery slope. If ICC umpires cannot officiate in IPL, they cannot officiate in BBL, CPL, BPL, or PSL. The rule will apply to all the leagues big or small.

Conflict of interest discussion could also be made for foreign player participation in these leagues.

 

[dildilpak]

Yeah you restrict these umpires from standing in leagues and soon you will have elite umpires resigning from the ICC panel to officiate in the leagues, just like the players. As it is we barely have elite category umpires and you want to lose the existing ones to IPL? What a bright idea!

 

[happydavy]

Define "conflict of interest".

Its great to use big terms, but you have to define what it means.

What does "Conflict of interest" really mean.

I am all ears.

+1. If the insinuation is that umpires are corrupt then IPL or no IPL they could be influenced regardless. How is officiating in IPL a conflict of interest is beyond me.

 

[Madplayer]

+1. If the insinuation is that umpires are corrupt then IPL or no IPL they could be influenced regardless. How is officiating in IPL a conflict of interest is beyond me.

What is beyond you? Its common sense that if a board is giving umpires lucrative deals in their league, it might affect their judgement in the international games involving that board's team because they wouldn't want to upset them. Its not rocket science and Indians in this thread are doing their best to play dumb.
Rest of the world is seeing whats happening in games that involves India. And the questions are only getting louder.

 

[rhony]

Erm, that would make some sense if India wasnt losing by 17 runs up until then. Thats why Erasmus almost jumped on the ground and started clearing the water all by himself.

That's the pain point right there. That BD was ahead when the rain started. Pak and BD fans including Shakib started dreaming about SF spot. The fans couldn't wait to troll Indian fans on social media and start the bhangra. Then the rain stopped and the dream was shattered. If this game was between Aus vs NZ or SA vs Eng nobody would have cared. Umpires would have done the same thing everywhere. If there is a possibility of game play, they will facilitate it. They were proven right. Just because it's the Indian team that won, the crying started. I know Indian fans don't make it easier as well.

 

[giri26]

Are these threads propping up because Pakistan cannot make it to the semis? I am totally confused. Bangladesh had all the advantage when the game began after rain. The ball was wet and it normally is a disadvantage to the fielding team similar to something like dew. Bangladesh played ridiculous cricket. If the field was so wet how do you explain KL Rahul attacking the ball and hitting direct from the boundary? How do you explain the Indian bowlers bowling without the ball ever slipping from their hands even once? yeah they did wipe the ball constantly but bowlers do that when there is dew as well but from time to time the ball does slip from their hands. Funnily enough India bowled with lot more control after the break.

Bangladesh's task was easier than India's no matter how you spin it. Bangladesh crying is because they wanted the game to be declared a washout so that they could get a win. Even Bangladesh would know in their mind that if the game had gone for 20 overs no matter what the start was, they would have bottled it. They have done it countless times against India in LO formats. In 2015 they cried about that no-ball call even though they lost by 100 runs.

The fact of the matter is that Pakistan played poorly in this T20 WC. A win against SA last night does not negate the fact that they lost 2 games which they should have won easily by significant margins. Now stirring up conspiracy theories to discredit India's wins isn't going to get you anywhere. The umpires are doing their jobs and quite well I might add. While watching on the big screen on the ground, the catch that DK took seemed legitimate (Ball actually bounced off the gloves and not off the ground) but the umpires gave soft signal not out and the runout of DK wasn't out as well. There was no evidence that the ball actually broke the stumps. If the umpires had to favour India, they just had to give that initial catch as out and we would not be discussing anything at all as without Liton Das's innings, BD had nothing. Rest of their batting failed and rain was not the reason for the same. They were just poor. Just accept that.

In years of being on this forum I had the opinion that Pakpassion has the most knowledgeable cricket fans but when I see threads like, wet outfield being advantage to fielding team, I have to question that notion.

 

[giri26]

Also remember that BD actually won the toss and decided to field knowing very well that there is going to be rain break and reduced targets. Now crying because the result did not go your way is juvenile. BD has the history of doing this every time they lose a high profile game against India but Pakistan fans are joining the narrative only because their qualification depended on the BD winning. If Pakistan had beaten Zimbabwe, I am sure there would have been threads laughing at BD's claims instead of supporting them.

 

[jino]

Umpires makes huge amount of money from IPL compared to international matches. If umpires are restricted from IPL, they may go freelance route and end up having no quality umpires. Is OP fine with having international umpires in psl and other leagues?

 

[Saj]

But then shouldn't this be the case for all T20 tournaments around the world?

Should it be a case of ICC not allowing its elite umpires not to officiate in T20 leagues.

 

[U$ofA]

What is beyond you? Its common sense that if a board is giving umpires lucrative deals in their league, it might affect their judgement in the international games involving that board's team because they wouldn't want to upset them. Its not rocket science and Indians in this thread are doing their best to play dumb.
Rest of the world is seeing whats happening in games that involves India. And the questions are only getting louder.

But then shouldn't this be the case for all T20 tournaments around the world?

Should it be a case of ICC not allowing its elite umpires not to officiate in T20 leagues.

Will this trigger elite umpires going exclusively IPL?
Which gig pays more $$$?
What happens to umpiring standards in international matches if elite umpires go to IPL?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Erasmus has a grudge against Pakistan.

 

[Madplayer]

Umpires makes huge amount of money from IPL compared to international matches. If umpires are restricted from IPL, they may go freelance route and end up having no quality umpires. Is OP fine with having international umpires in psl and other leagues?

But then shouldn't this be the case for all T20 tournaments around the world?

Should it be a case of ICC not allowing its elite umpires not to officiate in T20 leagues.

Will this trigger elite umpires going exclusively IPL?
Which gig pays more $$$?
What happens to umpiring standards in international matches if elite umpires go to IPL?

We all know that IPL is way ahead of any other league when it comes to money involved. Tbh its not even a competition and we know that players/umpires will choose IPL over any other league. We'd be burying our heads in the sand if we say otherwise. So in an ideal scenario, IPL should be a special case where ICC umpires should be restricted. However, i understand that may cause uproar among some who would see it as discrimination against the bcci.

The solution? Imo, Keep a separate panel of few elite ICC umpires, compensate them well and dont allow them to officiate in ANY of these leagues. Surely the ICC can for once do its job and find some good umpires who are willing to do this.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Also remember that BD actually won the toss and decided to field knowing very well that there is going to be rain break and reduced targets. Now crying because the result did not go your way is juvenile. BD has the history of doing this every time they lose a high profile game against India but Pakistan fans are joining the narrative only because their qualification depended on the BD winning. If Pakistan had beaten Zimbabwe, I am sure there would have been threads laughing at BD's claims instead of supporting them.

They always spin the narrative one moment of a match would have completely reversed the fortunes lol I have noticed this even when they comfortably gets outplayed. BCB has trained them to hide behind excuses which is why BD has never grown as a team. Anyway this is getting old. These conspiracy theory topics have become a cesspool. Going to stay away from these whining threads as it appears that some of these fans are losing sleep over it. Let them grieve whichever way they prefer.

 

[shehz]

The solution is very simple. Do not allow international IPL umpires to officiate games involving India. I'm sure you can find good replacement non IPL umpires from the lot. No conflict of interest and umpires can keep both jobs

 

[giri26]

A question to all the posters who are advocating this ridiculous suggestion, please be honest, imagine if ICC does implement this, would you stop blaming BCCI if a decision goes against you with Virat or any Indian player gesturing for a no-ball? That will answer whether this is a good idea. No matter what happens any decision which goes in India's favour will be questioned, IPL umpires or not. I remember how much crying happened during Sachin LBW DRS while BCCI was accused of rigging Hawkeye. No one talked about the countless catches which Pakistan dropped in the same game to let Sachin score 85.

I don't think any of this will help. The only way all this will go away is when India isn't a cricketing super power anymore. Who are we kidding?

 

[jnaveen1980]

A question to all the posters who are advocating this ridiculous suggestion, please be honest, imagine if ICC does implement this, would you stop blaming BCCI if a decision goes against you with Virat or any Indian player gesturing for a no-ball? That will answer whether this is a good idea. No matter what happens any decision which goes in India's favour will be questioned, IPL umpires or not. I remember how much crying happened during Sachin LBW DRS while BCCI was accused of rigging Hawkeye. No one talked about the countless catches which Pakistan dropped in the same game to let Sachin score 85.

I don't think any of this will help. The only way all this will go away is when India isn't a cricketing super power anymore. Who are we kidding?

First request to change law that has been in place for 15 years because it didn't favor them. Now they want to follow the law without understanding why it was even created. All these nonsensical requests will fall on deaf years. Just for time pass i was responding to these guys lol. Now it is entering into bizzarro world.

 

[giri26]

First request to change law that has been in place for 15 years because it didn't favor them. Now they want to follow the law without understanding why it was even created. All these nonsensical requests will fall on deaf years. Just for time pass i was responding to these guys lol. Now it is entering into bizzarro world.

Agree. No longer responding to any of these threads.

 

[Madplayer]

Mods, kindly embed these tweets by David Lloyd questioning the umpiring and subtly agreeing with Afridi:

https://twitter.com/BumbleCricket/status/1588263683691405313?t=LH2cLFKWWaszlHiEGXyFBQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/BumbleCricket/status/1588279554011193344?t=oo0vtnPyWwrbCqrfKXtehw&s=19

 

[jino]

We all know that IPL is way ahead of any other league when it comes to money involved. Tbh its not even a competition and we know that players/umpires will choose IPL over any other league. We'd be burying our heads in the sand if we say otherwise. So in an ideal scenario, IPL should be a special case where ICC umpires should be restricted. However, i understand that may cause uproar among some who would see it as discrimination against the bcci.

The solution? Imo, Keep a separate panel of few elite ICC umpires, compensate them well and dont allow them to officiate in ANY of these leagues. Surely the ICC can for once do its job and find some good umpires who are willing to do this.

You are saying ICC umpires should be restricted from making big bucks in IPL and reward sub standard non ICC umpires with IPL contract to earn $$. This is same like telling all international quality cricketers to stop earning big buck from IPL and let all the domestic cricketers to play IPL and get million dollar contract.

 

[ramki]

Wow. Another thread that can only exist in PakPassion/Pakistan. So much delusion.

 

[happydavy]

What is beyond you? Its common sense that if a board is giving umpires lucrative deals in their league, it might affect their judgement in the international games involving that board's team because they wouldn't want to upset them. Its not rocket science and Indians in this thread are doing their best to play dumb.
Rest of the world is seeing whats happening in games that involves India. And the questions are only getting louder.

That a lucrative deal from a board will lead to umpire judgement getting affected is your hypothesis and that doesn't make it a conflict of interest. Conflict of interest happens when biases are expected to affect one's judgement and if making money from a board will lead to biases, then why are you restricting it to umpires, it should be the case with players as well. Someone could say that Rillie Rosso got out cheaply to Pakistan because he's got a very lucrative deal in PSL. Technically there's no conflict of interest in officiating in multiple tournaments, even if one pays significantly more than others. You are suggesting umpires are favouring India for money, you should call it a case of corruption and not conflict of interest.