Should Pakistan accept Indian aid for the flooding victims?

[Gabbar Singh]

In 2001 Pakistan sent aid to the Gujarat Earthquake victims. In 2005 India sent aid to Pakistan when the Earthquake in Kashmir happened.

However, moving forward to today, the current Pakistani administration seem unsure what to do about India's offer of aid:

Playing petty political games whilst innocent people suffer or do you agree with the Pak government stance?


Pak still considering Indian aid offer for flood victims

Islamabad: Pakistan today said it is considering India's offer of $five million as aid for its flood victims but a decision has been delayed as there is "sensitivity" involved in the relationship with India.

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said his Indian counterpart S M Krishna offered the aid during a telephone conversation on Friday.

"Yes, they have offered assistance to Pakistan and they have asked the government of Pakistan to prioritise what kind of assistance we require," he said.

"In line with the conversation that I've had with Mr Krishna, I've informed the leadership about the details and the leadership is giving it consideration," he told a news conference at the Foreign Office.

Qureshi was responding to a question on whether Pakistan had accepted the aid offered by India. In response to another question on why Pakistan has accepted aid from other countries but is yet to decide on India's offer, he said the kind of relationship with India and the "sensitivity" involved is "different".

Qureshi kept the door open for the possibility of accepting the Indian offer at a later stage.

Noting that "the matter has not ended," he said Pakistan will need a long-drawn strategy as the floods were still causing devastation.

After the ongoing relief operations, the rehabilitation and reconstruction process will continue for about two years, he said.

Qureshi said Krishna had called him to "condole on the loss of life that had taken place, to sympathise with the people of Pakistan and express solidarity in this hour of grief with Pakistan".

Earlier, diplomatic sources told PTI that "no decision" had been made as yet on India's offer of aid. Asked about the matter, Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said: "We appreciate this offer made by India. It has been conveyed to the relevant authorities".

Krishna described the offer of aid as a "gesture of solidarity with the people of Pakistan in their hour of need".

The floods triggered by unusually heavy monsoon rains have killed over 1,700 people and affected 20 million. It has also destroyed millions of acres of crop land and washed away key roads, bridges and communication infrastructure.


Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pak-still-considering-indian-aid-offer-for-flood-victims-44928?cp

India ready to give more aid but Pak silent

NEW DELHI: Even as more floods threaten to inundate Pakistan, the government there is reluctant to avail of India's offer of assistance.

India indicated on Monday that it was willing to give more assistance over the $5 million it has already pledged. "We can and are willing to do much more," senior sources in the government said.

But New Delhi is yet to receive a response from the Zardari government to its earlier offer of assistance of $5 million.

India's offer of assistance was conveyed to Pakistan by foreign ministerS M Krishna when he spoke to his counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi last weekend. Pakistan's foreign office, however, did not mention the Indian offer, merely saying that Krishna had extended India's sympathies to Pakistan at the time of crisis.
When questioned, the foreign office spokesman said Pakistan had not "rejected the Indian offer outright".

The Indian government had also come under some criticism for being slow off the ground. New Delhi took time to craft its response because of the memory of Pakistan's indifference to its offer to help with earthquake relief in 2005. It has, however, now got its act together. Sources said the government has already begun preliminary work on an assistance package with the National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA) which is resource-rich, and would even be willing to route the assistance through the UN if that's what Pakistan wants.

But it feels the bilateral approach is better because given the short distances, India would be able to reach assistance much faster to the affected areas in Pakistan. In fact, India is even willing to be the source country for assistance material for other countries, multilateral organizations helping out Pakistan, even NGOs.

But so far, Pakistan is yet to signal that it is willing to receive any aid through India, a move that is short-sighted in the extreme. Given the enormity of the catastrophe in Pakistan, and the prospect of more in coming days, India believes it can rush material across really quickly.

Pakistan had got $5 billion in international assistance in the wake of the earthquake that caused enormous destruction. But it has struggled to attract international assistance this time. What it has so far got -- just over $120 million -- pales before $1.2 billion that Haiti attracted after it was devastated by an earthquake.

US has led the international effort in Pakistan with an assistance of $80 million and by pressing heavy-lift choppers into rescue operations. But Pakistan's "all-weather " friend China and the Islamic nations it identifies with -- Saudi Arabia and other cash-rich ones -- have not stepped forward.

During the civil war in Sri Lanka, India had sent across family-packs that contained everything for a family for a specific time period. In Afghanistan, India supplies fortified biscuits which could be a good source of nutrition for children in Pakistan right now.

Pakistani authorities warned of a new flood wave making its way south along the Indus river and more heavy monsoon rains. The forecast came after UN secretary general Ban-ki Moon said it had received only 20% of the $460 million needed to provide aid.

Read more: India ready to give more aid but Pak silent - India - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-silent/articleshow/6322057.cms#ixzz0woHHPHQ9

 

[Gollum]

Looks like India is waiting for Pakistan acknowledgment and applause rather than a genuine desire to help. There are various ways India could donate without waiting for Pakistan's approval if it was genuine moved by the crisis, like donating to the Red Cross or the UN (like many Western countries do when crises hit their adversaries like Iran). Stop playing games India as usual!

 

[shan]

Looks like India is waiting for Pakistan acknowledgment and applause rather than a genuine desire to help. There are various ways India could donate without waiting for Pakistan's approval if it was genuine moved by the crisis, like donating to the Red Cross or the UN (like many Western countries do when crises hit their adversaries like Iran). Stop playing games India as usual!

Seriously shamefull stuff from India.

 

[90MPH]

Exactly, just give the aid through netural organizations like the UN or Oxfam.
India does not trust the Pak government anyhow so why are they waiting for so called response this time?

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Why not just ignore their intentions and swallow your pride and take it? Why not go ask the victims of the flood if we should accept Indian aid or not?

 

[insaftak]

Pakistan gov't acting stupidly again. just take the aid and help the people who are in need right now and when there is a disaster in india (god forbid) help them. we need to move beyond these childish ways and help the poor people of india and pakistan. we took aid from America which bombed pakistani territory on 14th august. I'm pissed off at gov't for not taking india's help.

 

[90MPH]

Why not just ignore their intentions and swallow your pride and take it? Why not go ask the victims of the flood if we should accept Indian aid or not?

It's nothing to do with pride,if they genuinely wanted to help they could have given the aid to reputable organisations rather than waiting for a response from the enemy government with a corrupt leadership to respond.

 

[Mohsin]

No

there is such a thing such as self respect...and I'm guessing the people would say the same thing. Plus it's peanuts, not worth taking aid from our arch enemy country. May sound childish but it's true, sorry.

But you can ask the people themselves

 

[insaftak]

No

there is such a thing such as self respect...and I'm guessing the people would say the same thing. Plus it's peanuts, not worth taking aid from our arch enemy country. May sound childish but it's true, sorry.

But you can ask the people themselves

bull crap.

1/5 of your country is under water. billions of dollars worth crops have been destroyed and all you can think of is Peanuts & Arch enemy. I wonder what's your opinion on taking the aid from a country that bombed pakistani territory on 14th august.

Take Aid from everyone because this could happen to anyone. When those countries are facing disaster offer them the money.

Your People are dying. enough of this ego centric policies by both india and pakistan. We need to grow up and look beyond our differences when most of your population is on verge of starvation.

 

[Mohsin]

World Bank is giving us $900 Million aid...$5 million will practically not do anything to actually help

 

[AZ]

yes.

helping the people is more important than wounded pride.

 

[Radiance Of Australis]

bull crap.

1/5 of your country is under water. billions of dollars worth crops have been destroyed and all you can think of is Peanuts & Arch enemy. I wonder what's your opinion on taking the aid from a country that bombed pakistani territory on 14th august.

Take Aid from everyone because this could happen to anyone. When those countries are facing disaster offer them the money.

Your People are dying. enough of this ego centric policies by both india and pakistan. We need to grow up and look beyond our differences when most of your population is on verge of starvation.

You are spot on brother.

We should just forget about the enemies here and graciously accept aid.Its the matter of life and death of millions of people out there,not some kind of political game.

Whats the freaking issue here?Sad,really.

 

[kingusama92]

Seriously, the Pak gov't is "thinking" about this.

Pakistan has just encountered one of the worst natural disasters and they're thinking about petty stuff like enmity? Take the money and thank them for even offering it.

This is exactly why I promote the idea of positive Indo-Pak relations. In the time of need both countries can assist each other due to the proximity of both nations. Anyway, if Zardari and co. have any sense - they will accept the money.

$5 Million is still enough to save lives. If one life dies because we were too childish to not accept money from our "enemies" then shame on us.

 

[cricfan967]

Millions of people are in risk of dying.
Maybe if the government was forced to move out of his house into 6 ft deep waters he would change his mind.
Forget pride and help them.

 

[kingusama92]

World Bank is giving us $900 Million aid...$5 million will practically not do anything to actually help

Any little bit helps.

You are telling me that if I put in $1000, it won't help? You are basically downplaying all little donations that have been made from across the planet.

We need that $5 million and they are even willing to add more money.

 

[insaftak]

World Bank is giving us $900 Million aid...$5 million will practically not do anything to actually help

You should watch today's aaj kamran khan ke sath show and see who is offering what and who has given you something. everyone is saying we will help you but the money isn't coming. USA said it will give 55 million but has only given 10 mil. Saudi Arabia has given the most money 44 million and pakistan has received all of it.

 

[cric_crazy]

No

there is such a thing such as self respect...and I'm guessing the people would say the same thing. Plus it's peanuts, not worth taking aid from our arch enemy country. May sound childish but it's true, sorry.

But you can ask the people themselves

I would have asked u If yr home had destroyed, u have not had water from a week or so and couple of yr members had also died in the flood and rest of them were lying helplessly on foot paths..........can't imagine ppl like u have guts to utter garbage such as "self respect" right now....specially after how our army and govt have sold their souls and every bit of respect to AMERICA.....unbelievable......

AT this time of hr Pak should accept aid from each and every country be it india or israel...take wt ever is offered.....the catastrophe this flood has made is never experienced in the whole region.........NWFP has already gone back 30 yrs.......True picture will be seen after the water vanishes, where it had made chaos.........for now flood has not come to halt or gone into ocean yet.......it is still making a mayhem in major parts of pakistan.........

 

[Ismailtoca]

bull crap.

1/5 of your country is under water. billions of dollars worth crops have been destroyed and all you can think of is Peanuts & Arch enemy. I wonder what's your opinion on taking the aid from a country that bombed pakistani territory on 14th august.

Take Aid from everyone because this could happen to anyone. When those countries are facing disaster offer them the money.

Your People are dying. enough of this ego centric policies by both india and pakistan. We need to grow up and look beyond our differences when most of your population is on verge of starvation.

EXACTLY!

You guy are talking like this because you arent affected by the water... I know that if I was dying of starvation, I would definately take that money

 

[Ismailtoca]

World Bank is giving us $900 Million aid...$5 million will practically not do anything to actually help

So if someone was going to donate $20, they wouldn't help either...


Why donate then????


Even a dollar helps if enough people donate, and a solidary dollar would buy you lunch in Pakistan

 

[the SHA]

In the scheme of things, $5 million is actually peanuts. It is almost an insulting offer given the scale of the disaster and the amount needed. After all, India is an upcoming economic superpower.

However I would be surprised if thats the main reason for the delay on the part of the PPP government. They're probably more concerned about how they can prove 100% of it would be used for good cause, rather than the normal 90% if you know what I mean. "Its a trap!"

 

[insaftak]

In the scheme of things, $5 million is actually peanuts. It is almost an insulting offer given the scale of the disaster and the amount needed. After all, India is an upcoming economic superpower.
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Again need to look at facts.

Saudi Arabia has given 44 mil

US has given 10 mil

China has given 10 mil

Turkey has given 5 mil

UN has given 18 mil

All in all Pakistan has received 100 mil

UK has given You nothing

India's offer is a very good offer considering the number of poor people that india has.

 

[KingKhanWC]

When it comes to India, I think you have to trust the government. India did not offer any money until now and changed it's mind mainly because it started to look very bad due it being a nieghbour and the huge scale of the disaster.

Many nations offer aid but that doesn't mean it comes through straight away and it may come down to Pakistan begging India to release the funds. Some Indian commentators have suggested the money could be used to attack India, which is a disgrace and others were accusing Pakistan of helping the Afghan resistance to target Indians.

So it's never black and white when it comes to India and by accepting this aid it may just be a propaganda win for India while little of the funds actually getting through the government.

It's not rocket science to suggest India have only offered this aid(after many days) because it will benefit them not because it's geniune in helping Pakistan at this hour of need.

Pakistan government is not that evil to deny help to it's citizens it may have justified reasons for considering it.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

NO never

 

[sanakazmi]

any politician - or similarly filthy-rich individual (as you would have to be to be so smug about denying aid int his crisis) - who is not willing to accept this aid immediately should cough up the $5 million themselves. i'm sure they can afford it. sickening.

 

[Fallen King]

There is nothing wrong to accept Indian aid. We have to keep politics aside, and think for humanity at the moment. This is worst disaster of flood, has taken place in the history of planet. There is no time for petty talk. This is human lives we are talking about, and they need our help. Let be grateful the fact that Indian is considering to donate aid for Pakistan flood victims.

Those victims lives, heavily relying on the donations to survive in the worst disaster flood in the history of planet, and therefore, the decision of accept Indian aid shouldn't be decided by us, and instead, it should be by the victims.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Of course they should accept it - they have accepted it previously if the OP is correct (the Kashmir earthquake) so what has changed?

End of the day the situation is dire in Pakistan and every little helps - this isnt really a time for political point scoring

This nonsense about enemy - we could find reasons not to receive money from pretty much all countries that have given it to Pakistan

 

[Toony™®]

Again need to look at facts.

Saudi Arabia has given 44 mil

US has given 10 mil

China has given 10 mil

Turkey has given 5 mil

UN has given 18 mil

All in all Pakistan has received 100 mil

UK has given You nothing

India's offer is a very good offer considering the number of poor people that india has.

Yaar where you getting this info from... the first country offer aid was the UK..

UK public has given $20m so far through their official DEC channel..

UK Government has given $40m+

Source

 

[rabi_sultan]

Government being stupid tbh the welfare and betterment of your own people is paramount.

 

[Desire]

absolutely no!! warna phir aik din wohi haal ho ga jo aaj srilanka ka hoa hai. we will be appologetic to indians.

 

[Garuda]

Myself being from a region in India, that suffers flood almost every alternate year, I can feel what the flood affected ppl are going through.

At this moment there is nothing called too much. Any money or human labour aid they can get is better.

The effect of aftermath of the flood is much larger than the direct impact of the flood. So Pakistan govt should take as much aid they can and make sure the entire aid is reaching the affected ppl.

People on the forum should remember that its not about politics here. Its about the guy who is sleeping on a tree for days with almost all of his house and living gone.

 

[cricketiac]

This will not look good on the part of pakistani government internationally if they reject this indian aid. This may force other nations to think about their aid if the affected nation is selecting aid on the basis of its source.Cant the government see or feel the pain of its people.

India on its part should have gone through World bank or any third party but pakistan to supposedly think about rejecting this aid is just ridiculous and downright disgusting

 

[Gabru]

Every little penny helps.

Indian peace activists collect Rs 30,000 for Pak flood victims

A delegation of Indian peace activists contributed Rs 30,000 for the victims of the worst floods in Pakistan's history after collecting donations on the roads of this eastern city.

The team of activists, comprising Sandeep Pandey, Mazhar Hussain, Feroz Mothiawala, Zaid Ahmad, Monica Wahi, Rajeshwar Ojha, Feroz Hudda and others, contributed the sum to the Labour Flood Relief Fund.

The amount included their own donations and funds collected from motorists and pedestrians on the famous Mall Road in Lahore on Sunday.

The activists are part of a "Peace Caravan to Pakistan" that started its march from Mumbai as part of an initiative by civil society groups of Pakistan and India.

The unprecedented floods in Pakistan have killed over 1,700 people and affected 20 million. The deluge has also destroyed crops worth over USD 1 billion and 700,000 houses.

Most members of Peace Caravan from the Pakistani side, who started from Karachi, had to abandon their journey because of the floods.

Some of them reached Lahore and crossed over to Indian side on August 13 to go to Amritsar.

"Participants of the Peace Caravan from both sides gathered at the Wagah border to proceed to the Mall Road to show solidarity with flood victims and to collect funds for their relief," Labour Party spokesman Farooq Tariq said.

In a related development, the president of the Indian chapter of the South Asian Free Media Association, Vinod Sharma has urged the Indian government and NGOs to donate as much as they can for the flood victims in Pakistan.

He said India's offer of aid worth $ five million was "not sufficient".

"Funds worth five million dollars are not sufficient for the noble cause but I hope that the Indian government and the NGOs there will come forward and contribute maximum funds according to the requirements," Sharma told a news conference at the SAFMA office in Lahore on Sunday.

Satish Jacob, secretary general of SAFMA's India chapter, and SAFMA's Pakistan chapter's secretary general Imtiaz Alam were present on the occasion.

Sharma said the floods have caused severe devastation in Pakistan and the neighbouring countries should work together to overcome this crisis. He said the time has come to extend maximum support to flood victims as the natural catastrophe had affected millions of people.

"We have appealed to the Indian government to extend Pakistan maximum support for the people trapped in flood-hit areas because the two countries are neighbours and they should always help each other in testing times," he said.

He urged the governments of both countries to enhance trade and business and to minimise visa restrictions so that people could benefit.

Jacob said SAFMA has asked Indian NGOs to collect maximum funds from philanthropists and industrialists and submit them to the Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi.
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Medical marijuana

 

[Gabru]

World Bank is giving us $900 Million aid...$5 million will practically not do anything to actually help

lol at your ignorance and lack of intelligence.

Where do you think World Bank gets its money from? Hint: Google

FYI: India is 7th-largest shareholder in World Bank.
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RA108

 

[cricket_fever]

kick the national pride aside ryt now, and take whatever aid comes ur way

for heavensake this is a question of millions of innocent lives!!!

 

[baalti]

if i were a victim of this flooding right now, and I see an Indian (any other person for that matter) trying to help me, and then I see a Pakistani just sitting there not helping me and saying don't accept the aid from the Indian or not allowing the Indian to help me, I would want that Pakistani shot in his rear end multiple times, because thats where his statements would be originating from.

 

[Maula Jutt]

Didn't Edhi go help Indians a few years back when they were faced with floods?

Humanitarian aid should be kept separate from petty politics.

 

[baalti]

its a pitty this backward mentality and this acknowledgement games, help karni hai toh karo pocho mat, help koi karta hai toh karnay do daikho/socho mat.

 

[Maula Jutt]

absolutely no!! warna phir aik din wohi haal ho ga jo aaj srilanka ka hoa hai. we will be appologetic to indians.

Don't worry. We'll never be apologetic to them, no matter what they do!

 

[Prince_Pathan]

alot of people are seeing this as an attempt from india to show pakistan down and that in itself is disgraceful...india are not as bad as everybody thinks...as a pakistani i love indias people and hope pak accept this goodwill offer...it dosnt matter what meaning it is given in...aslong as it helps people

i just hope for the sake of humanity...politics are vanished to one side

as myself i am from one of the worst places affected...id love for everybody there to be helped a great deal...

 

[Howzat]

I doubt that those facing imminent threat of death and destruction would really care where the money is coming from. Remember, every dollar could save a god-gifted human life. Those are people clinging to every breath hoping desperately to see their loved ones live. Take it.

 

[PakistanPaindabad]

If India is really wanting to help out the flood victims and not play politics, why dont they just donate the money to the UN fund?

I dont understand.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

If India is really wanting to help out the flood victims and not play politics, why dont they just donate the money to the UN fund?

I dont understand.

Why not just ignore their intentions and take the money to help the victims?

I dont understand.

 

[dps2009]

i agree, every cent counts, deal with the politics later.

 

[baalti]

not my character to say such things as i never wish ill upon anyone, but the clowns here that are saying don't take the help, sometimes I wonder if these are the ones that deserved to go through such events and feel for themselves the situation first hand and realize and be able to think through what is it that they are saying, and then i would like to see if they would still say NO THANKS DONT NEED IT. its a shame.

 

[AQ]

There is nothing wrong helping needy people and yes I agree there should be no politics. UN is there and India can send their aid to them.

 

[PakistanPaindabad]

Why not just ignore their intentions and take the money to help the victims?

I dont understand.

point is both Pakistan and India are playing politics

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Myself being from a region in India, that suffers flood almost every alternate year, I can feel what the flood affected ppl are going through.

At this moment there is nothing called too much. Any money or human labour aid they can get is better.

The effect of aftermath of the flood is much larger than the direct impact of the flood. So Pakistan govt should take as much aid they can and make sure the entire aid is reaching the affected ppl.

People on the forum should remember that its not about politics here. Its about the guy who is sleeping on a tree for days with almost all of his house and living gone.

Well said.

 

[Mohsin]

lol at your ignorance and lack of intelligence.

Where do you think World Bank gets its money from? Hint: Google

FYI: India is 7th-largest shareholder in World Bank.

Why thank you

 

[cricketindiafan]

I have seen the disaster such a massive flood causes during the Kosi floods in Bihar in 2008. For the people affected, every little penny coming in counts. Whether its from the arch enemy or form the most corrupt nation, doesn't matter at all. If that money can save even one human life, can feed some hungy people, can bring a smile to even a small population, its well worth it.

In times like these, political issues need to be kept aside and human values should be the top priority.

 

[ace2705]

No

there is such a thing such as self respect...and I'm guessing the people would say the same thing. Plus it's peanuts, not worth taking aid from our arch enemy country. May sound childish but it's true, sorry.

But you can ask the people themselves

people like you make me sick - go bow your head in shame. Just think about this for 1 second - god forbid but what if your mom or your sister was one among the flood victims would you act in the same childish manner?

 

[kingusama92]

point is both Pakistan and India are playing politics

Actually, the point is that we have people dying due to these floods.

Politics should be put aside during such times.

 

[Gabru]

what's with people saying that India should route it through the UN? Whatever money UN spends is anyways collected from several countries including India.

India's offer of money is as good as any other country offering help in the time of crisis. Mind you, India (Leh and Bihar) are themselves dealing with the gruesome floods that have already claimed '000s of lives.

Lets be united at this point of time and serve the people of the nation rather than rigging-up conspiracy theories.
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Yamaha y125z

 

[ace2705]

not my character to say such things as i never wish ill upon anyone, but the clowns here that are saying don't take the help, sometimes i wonder if these are the ones that deserved to go through such events and feel for themselves the situation first hand and realize and be able to think through what is it that they are saying, and then i would like to see if they would still say no thanks dont need it. Its a shame.

+1

 

[ace2705]

If India is really wanting to help out the flood victims and not play politics, why dont they just donate the money to the UN fund?

I dont understand.

Do you know what the UN fund is?

 

[PakistanPaindabad]

Do you know what the UN fund is?

A fund where India doesnt need to wait for Pakistan's acceptance of the aid.

 

[Xohaib]

Money soming from worldbank is debt not aid.

 

[insaftak]

Yaar where you getting this info from... the first country offer aid was the UK..

UK public has given $20m so far through their official DEC channel..

UK Government has given $40m+

Source

I'm getting those figures from AAj Kamran Khan KE SATH. According to Kamran Khan UK has pledged the money but pakistan hasn't received anything yet.

 

[Zahid87]

Aid was offered in 2005 by India, and accepted. India accepted with Gujarat.

People who are accusing India of playing politics are hiding behind a mask, as there was no talk of political point scoring then. Its the fact that the government is mulling the offer that has people trying to defend them. Its a no brainer. We need all the help we can get, and its a good gesture of goodwill by India. If we wanted to build good relations as Qureshi kept saying, then why not have this as a start?

 

[90MPH]

I'm getting those figures from AAj Kamran Khan KE SATH. According to Kamran Khan UK has pledged the money but pakistan hasn't received anything yet.

Maybe Mr 10% and his cronies have not received it yet, but hopefully it will be delivered through the organisations that are helping the people on the ground.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Mohsin

Do you really think $5 million is peanuts?

If so why have you started a thread asking PP'ers to donate - I mean all we'll be doing is collecting 'peanuts' right?

The political arguments are fair enough but to suggest $5million is **** all and will not help the victims does a great disservice to those suffering from this disaster.

 

[Amir]

An aid kit cost $10.

5M/10 = 500,000 aid kits. Don't know about you, but I say that is still a lot of aid kits to help people. For anyone who thinks that is peanuts, then you need a reality check. You need a further reality check if you think the World Bank is giving "aid" in the form of a loan that collects interest

 

[mastermind_quad]

Politicians Pagal hogaye hain....

 

[SG]

Of course Pak should accept all the aid thats coming through, without even blinking eyelids.

You've to be highly insensitive and I dare say, inhumane not to accept aid even if thats from enemy.

 

[s2k]

Those who think this $5 million "Peanut" aid shouldnt be accepted.Just one question...can this aid save 1 life?if yes then take it,if no then leave it.People make a nation,without them there is no nation.

 

[Mohsin]

Mohsin

Do you really think $5 million is peanuts?

If so why have you started a thread asking PP'ers to donate - I mean all we'll be doing is collecting 'peanuts' right?

The political arguments are fair enough but to suggest $5million is **** all and will not help the victims does a great disservice to those suffering from this disaster.

For the people who have been saying 'what about the money donated by the ordinary person' etc....you cannot compare what an ordinary person donates and what a country donates...HOWEVER...

Perhaps i was wrong in saying we should not accept the money. I was not aware of the Gujrat or 2005 Azad Kashmir Earthquake situation but i still perhaps easily jumped the gun a little and i'll admit it...was wrong.

 

[Cracket]

You know what, India should keep its 5million to help its poor, lots die of starvation and other side effects of poverty everyday and Pak can keep its ego. Meanwhile I donated 20$, hopefully enough to get one person in the floods get some food.

 

[the SHA]

lol at your ignorance and lack of intelligence.

Where do you think World Bank gets its money from? Hint: Google

FYI: India is 7th-largest shareholder in World Bank.

The US is the main driver of the World Bank. They call the shots. They set the crippling loan conditionalities.

I doubt that their Loan offer has been made at the behest of it's 7th largest stakeholder.

 

[d0gers]

No

there is such a thing such as self respect...and I'm guessing the people would say the same thing. Plus it's peanuts, not worth taking aid from our arch enemy country. May sound childish but it's true, sorry.

But you can ask the people themselves

That's right Mohsin.

By the same token if it's a US military helicopter rescuing flood victims or making food drops, then we should order victims to refuse that help as well.

 

[zimran72]

People are idiots on this thread for wanting to refuse the aid. For some people enmity is more important than the well-being of their own people. It does not make us lesser human beings for accepting the aid but rather a step forward to the days when these two countries can co-exist without a war being just around the corner. Thank you for all those Indians that have stepped up to help us in this time of aid on behalf of the victims.

 

[insaftak]

Perhaps i was wrong in saying we should not accept the money. I was not aware of the Gujrat or 2005 Azad Kashmir Earthquake situation but i still perhaps easily jumped the gun a little and i'll admit it...was wrong.

That's a sign of Top human being. never afraid to admit that he was wrong.

My respect grows for Mohsin.

 

[samplepiece]

I donated close to a $100 through Unicef. It seems that makes no difference just because World Bank is giving $900 million. Its no time to think on those stupid lines. Just take the money and save human lives. Can one imagine how many orphans have been left behind by this natural disaster? 5 million dollars will probably fund good many of those innocent lives.

 

[kingusama92]

I donated close to a $100 through Unicef. It seems that makes no difference just because World Bank is giving $900 million. Its no time to think on those stupid lines. Just take the money and save human lives. Can one imagine how many orphans have been left behind by this natural disaster? 5 million dollars will probably fund good many of those innocent lives.

You know what, India should keep its 5million to help its poor, lots die of starvation and other side effects of poverty everyday and Pak can keep its ego. Meanwhile I donated 20$, hopefully enough to get one person in the floods get some food.

I would like to go appreciate your efforts through this post.

I respect you folks for donating in this time of need. It's heartening to see such spirit from Indians and I would like to thank both of you for your contribution.

Acts of kindness go a long way in mending relationships.

Once again - thank you.

 

[samplepiece]

I would like to go appreciate your efforts through this post.

I respect you folks for donating in this time of need. It's heartening to see such spirit from Indians and I would like to thank both of you for your contribution.

Acts of kindness go a long way in mending relationships.

Once again - thank you.

Usama, I am glad to accept your 'thank you' but in my case a greater credit goes to my French friend. She was the one who gave me this Unicef link in the first place

http://www.unicef.fr/boutique/don/urgence-inondations-pakistan

And once I had made a 30 euro donation, she prodded me into making another 50 euros.

So this is just to appreciate her humanitarian efforts on this forum for I am sure I am not the only one she got to donate for Pakistan. She is a student who also manages to take out a couple hours each week for Amnesty International. I wish students in the sub-continent were also inclined in such a way.

Also, donating for this one gave me goose-bumps.

 

[kingusama92]

Usama, I am glad to accept your 'thank you' but in my case a greater credit goes to my French friend. She was the one who gave me this Unicef link in the first place

http://www.unicef.fr/boutique/don/urgence-inondations-pakistan

And once I had made a 30 euro donation, she prodded me into making another 50 euros.

So this is just to appreciate her humanitarian efforts on this forum for I am sure I am not the only one she got to donate for Pakistan. She is a student who also manages to take out a couple hours each week for Amnesty International. I wish students in the sub-continent were also inclined in such a way.

Also, donating for this one gave me goose-bumps.

Pass on my thanks to your friend.

Class individuals like her are the real heroes of our lifetime.

 

[Zahid87]

Self Delete

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Pakistan rejects India's aid offer

Pakistan on Thursday (August 19) formally rejected Indian aid for thosoe effected by the recent floods. Declining India's offer for aid to the flood effected victims, Pakistan's Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said, "We appreciate India's gesture, but can't take aid now."

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh earlier this afternoon made a call to his Pakistani counterpart, Yousuf Raza Gilani and condoled the deaths caused by floods in Pakistan. In his conversation with Gilani, the Prime Minister also offered India's aid to those people effected by the floods in Pakistan.

The Obama administration earlier urged Pakistan to accept India's aid offer even as hardline elements in the flood-ravaged country have begun a vicious campaign to blame India, the United States, and Afghanistan for the calamity, a charge Washington has simply dismissed.

Amid mounting international attention and concern for Pakistan's future in the face of the tragedy, US officials on Wednesday called on Islamabad to abjure politics and accept India's help, including an initial $ 5 million offer it has sat on saying it is under consideration, even as it is begging for international aid.

"I think the priority is to use offers of assistance to help the Pakistani people, so we would encourage Government of Pakistan to accept that (Indian) offer," Frank Ruggiero, Deputy Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan said on Wednesday. Separately, state department spokesman P J Crowley said, "In terms of responding to a disaster, politics should play no role. You have a country (India) that's willing to help (Pakistan), and...we expect that Pakistan will accept."

http://www.timesnow.tv/Pakistan-rejects-Indias-aid-offer/articleshow/4351975.cms

 

[insaftak]

the ego of idiots ruling this country wins again while poor pakistanis continue to suffer.

pathetic stuff from pakistani gov't.

 

[mastermind_quad]

Accepted - I would say better late then never.....

Hindustan Times : Pakistan accepts Indian aid offer: Qureshi

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Pakistan-accepts-Indian-aid-offer-Qureshi/Article1-589263.aspx

NDTV : Pakistan accepts India's aid offer for flood relief work

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pakistan-accepts-indias-aid-offer-for-flood-relief-work-45778?trendingnow

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Common sense prevails:

NEW DELHI: Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi appealed to the international community to provide more and immediate aid to cope with the humanitarian crisis due to the floods.

Moreover, Pakistan has decided to accept flood aid from its neighbour India, saying the offer was a “very welcome initiative” as both countries look to improve their tense relations.

Foreign Minister Qureshi told India's NDTV television in an interview broadcast Friday that Islamabad would take India's offer of five million dollars which was made last Friday.

“I can share with you that the government of Pakistan has agreed to accept the Indian offer,” Qureshi said from New York, where he addressed a special session of the UN General Assembly called to boost aid for flood victims.

“I think this initiative of India is a very welcome initiative.”

India and Pakistan have made major efforts in recent months to build confidence in their relations, which were badly strained by the Mumbai 2008 terror attacks, which Indian blamed on militants from Pakistan.

The United States urged Pakistan earlier this week to accept the Indian offer and not let rivalry stand in the way of helping its citizens in flood-ravaged regions.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...stan-accepts-indias-offer-of-flood-aid-ss-04+

 

[insaftak]

wow Zardari and Co actually do the right thing. I'm shocked.

lets now hope that it actually goes to the victims and not to MR.10%.