Should Pakistan follow Bangladesh in opening ties with Israel?

Should Pakistan follow UAE in opening ties with Israel?


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PPP Senator Saleem Mandviwalla on Saturday commented on the potential of Pakistan having diplomatic ties with Israel, saying the country should do what is in its own best interest.

Pakistan does not recognise Israel and, therefore, doesn’t have diplomatic relations with it. The country has been a staunch supporter of demands for a Palestinian state.

After the Abraham accords — a deal brokered by the US in 2020 which saw normalisation of relations between Israel, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Bahrain — Pakistan had made clear that it cannot recognise Israel until a "just settlement of the Palestinian issue" is found.

However, in an exclusive interview with Dawn News, Mandviwalla, whose party is a part of the government, said: "We should not stop dialogue and trade with any country. People criticise Israel [but] we have to look after our own interests."

He said all the Middle East nations were negotiating and trading with Israel, adding that Pakistan must also do what suits its own interest.

"It remains to be seen whether a deal with Israel is in Pakistan's interest or not," Mandviwalla added.

Similarly, he indicated that the door for dialogue should not be closed on Pakistan's immediate neighbours, including India. "We have a border with India. Families live here. All three countries (India, Iran and Afghanistan) are important to us."

Last month, the revelation that a number of Pakistani expats and a couple of citizens recently travelled to Israel as part of a delegation sparked a controversy, with former prime minister Imran Khan and his party adding the incident into their narrative of a foreign conspiracy against the previous government, and alleging that the trip had their successors’ tacit approval.

The issue was discussed at length in parliament as well as during press conferences and public meetings and portrayed as a political step by the government. The controversy was raised in the upper house of parliament by Jamaat-i-Islami Senator Mushtaq Ahmed who dema*n*d**ed that the nationality of those expatriates of Pakistani origin who travelled to Israel be cancelled and the NGO that facilitated their visit be banned.

He said the visit of Ahmed Qureshi, working for state-run TV as part of the delegation, raised many questions and sought to know under which authority and on which travel documents he undertook the visit.

Information Minister Marri*yum Aurangzeb had also told a presser that PTV had terminated the contract of the TV anchorperson who visited Israel in his personal capacity. Media outlets reported that Qure*shi was part of the Pakistani-American delegation.

'Finding a way to reduce petrol prices'

During the interview with Dawn News, Mandviwalla also said that the government was seeking ways to reduce petrol prices. He suggested that a possible measure could be to deregulate petrol prices.

The senator also addressed the matter of former army chief Pervez Musharraf's possible return to Pakistan due to his poor health.

"Many people think that Pervez Musharraf should not be forgiven. People do not forget what Pervez Musharraf did," he said.

Mandviwalla said he could understand Bakhtawar Bhutto Zardari's, the daughter of the late Benazir Bhutto and former president Asif Ali Zardari, thoughts on the matter, suggesting that PPP Senator Yousuf Raza Gilani's statement on forgiving Musharraf could be his "personal opinion".

The Bhutto scion had on Thursday criticised a tweet from Gilani's daughter that had lauded her father and former prime minister's pardoning of Musharraf.

"Highly insensitive tweet. Absolutely no bravery or place to forgive," Bakhtawar had said.

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No. We don't have some wise leader with acumen for great things who can actually gain any benefit from having diplomatic ties with Israel.

So being an Islamic Republic, this is one (of the last) thing that actually is one differentiating point (because we are already a very awful bunch) for us (morally and belief wise).
 
Arab countries get along with them now, so Pakistan should not miss out on any benefits as well.

Also, it might lead to a reduction in terrorist incidents in Pakistan.

I don't know where you are from but speaking as a Brit, we don't bow to terrorists.
 
From an Indian perspective it would be best to have Pakistanis keep their head in sand and keep the Palestinian issue flaming with the Arabs who also gives zilch care about them in return. Israel Pakistan friendship would not be in India's interest.
 
From an Indian perspective it would be best to have Pakistanis keep their head in sand and keep the Palestinian issue flaming with the Arabs who also gives zilch care about them in return. Israel Pakistan friendship would not be in India's interest.

That's not an Indian perspective, it's a Hindutva perspective. India is actually far more diverse and has (or used to have) a far broader perspective. That's why so many Indians found gainful employment in Arab countries, and why they had good trading relations with their eastern partners.

It's a shame their hindutva perspective is now losing those connections. China gone. Pakistan gone. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh gone. Nepal gone. Probably Russia and Iran gone as well in the not too distant future. One day you will actually have the nuts to call it Bharat instead of the Anglicised name bestowed.
 
That's not an Indian perspective, it's a Hindutva perspective. India is actually far more diverse and has (or used to have) a far broader perspective. That's why so many Indians found gainful employment in Arab countries, and why they had good trading relations with their eastern partners.

It's a shame their hindutva perspective is now losing those connections. China gone. Pakistan gone. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh gone. Nepal gone. Probably Russia and Iran gone as well in the not too distant future. One day you will actually have the nuts to call it Bharat instead of the Anglicised name bestowed.

Thanks Cap,

But I am more worried about Pakistan which has hit a record number of IMF bailouts at 23, lets hope there wont be a 24.

Yes Sri Lanka is gone, they have collapsed, no money, no economy, no nothing,

Yes Nepal is going that way on its way to a collapse,

Bangladesh is fine, Indians have a meaningful relations there,



Russians and Indians recently signed an OIL deal, relationship is going well, se here

Russia becomes India's second biggest oil exporter, trade sources' data show

https://www.reuters.com/world/india...iggest-oil-exporter-trade-sources-2022-06-13/

China, yes is a problem CAP, we have a $100 billion relationship while both tries to sabotage each other, it 's a weird problematic one. Agreed.
 
Thanks Cap,

But I am more worried about Pakistan which has hit a record number of IMF bailouts at 23, lets hope there wont be a 24.

Yes Sri Lanka is gone, they have collapsed, no money, no economy, no nothing,

Yes Nepal is going that way on its way to a collapse,

Bangladesh is fine, Indians have a meaningful relations there,



Russians and Indians recently signed an OIL deal, relationship is going well, se here

Russia becomes India's second biggest oil exporter, trade sources' data show
https://www.reuters.com/world/india...iggest-oil-exporter-trade-sources-2022-06-13/

China, yes is a problem CAP, we have a $100 billion relationship while both tries to sabotage each other, it 's a weird problematic one. Agreed.

Yes very meaningful. That must be why you erected a border between BD and Hindutvaland and your PM in waiting describes BD immigrants as termites.
 
Yes very meaningful. That must be why you erected a border between BD and Hindutvaland and your PM in waiting describes BD immigrants as termites.

You have just undid some good work you previously did Cap.

You clearly do not know how politics work, India Bangladesh trade ties in 2020 last I checked was close to 10 Billion.. End of the day it is about money nothing else.

Amit Shah didn't say anything wrong, he issued a stern warning to illegal immigrants and also as recently Bangladesh refused to condemn India on the prophet row;
Row Over Prophet Remarks Is India's "Internal Issue": Bangladesh Minister

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/row...as-internal-issue-bangladesh-minister-3062648

Cap, money comes before gods and prophets in the world of politics.

You will learn...
 
You have just undid some good work you previously did Cap.

You clearly do not know how politics work, India Bangladesh trade ties in 2020 last I checked was close to 10 Billion.. End of the day it is about money nothing else.

Amit Shah didn't say anything wrong, he issued a stern warning to illegal immigrants and also as recently Bangladesh refused to condemn India on the prophet row;
Row Over Prophet Remarks Is India's "Internal Issue": Bangladesh Minister

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/row...as-internal-issue-bangladesh-minister-3062648

Cap, money comes before gods and prophets in the world of politics.

You will learn...

Thanks for the Hindutva viewpoint, but the rest of the world has done fine without it. We Brits have other values like honesty, order and hygiene. Money follows those principles as I'm sure you as an Aussie will appreciate.
 
It would be very tough for an Islamic republic to open ties with a country like Israel. However, if there is monetary and practical benefits to be gained, it would probably be for the best.

We already have ties with countries like China, Saudi Arabia, NATO etc that commit atrocities too. Not a lot of room for strict religion-driven foreign policy in geopolitics.
 
You have just undid some good work you previously did Cap.

You clearly do not know how politics work, India Bangladesh trade ties in 2020 last I checked was close to 10 Billion.. End of the day it is about money nothing else.

Amit Shah didn't say anything wrong, he issued a stern warning to illegal immigrants and also as recently Bangladesh refused to condemn India on the prophet row;
Row Over Prophet Remarks Is India's "Internal Issue": Bangladesh Minister

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/row...as-internal-issue-bangladesh-minister-3062648

Cap, money comes before gods and prophets in the world of politics.

You will learn...

The country that used Indian might to topple Pakistan because it felt marginalised submitting to master when the Prophet SAW is insulted. Hypocrites
 
The country that used Indian might to topple Pakistan because it felt marginalised submitting to master when the Prophet SAW is insulted. Hypocrites

There is a difference between Bangladeshi people and Bangladeshi government.

Bangladeshi government is shameless. They lick the boots of both Israel and India.

However, Bangladeshi people have always condemned this type of transgression (minus a few atheists/seculars).

Insulting Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is a red line.
 
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You have just undid some good work you previously did Cap.

You clearly do not know how politics work, India Bangladesh trade ties in 2020 last I checked was close to 10 Billion.. End of the day it is about money nothing else.

Amit Shah didn't say anything wrong, he issued a stern warning to illegal immigrants and also as recently Bangladesh refused to condemn India on the prophet row;
Row Over Prophet Remarks Is India's "Internal Issue": Bangladesh Minister

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/row...as-internal-issue-bangladesh-minister-3062648

Cap, money comes before gods and prophets in the world of politics.

You will learn...

Yep money at all costs for India. The Indian government recently been coasing up to the Taliban, I wonder what for?
 
PPP Senator Saleem Mandviwalla on Sunday walked back his statement calling on Pakistan to focus on its "interests" with respect to Israel, saying he never supported the recognition of, or trade with, the Jewish state, insisting that his words were being "distorted".

The statement from the senator comes a day after he commented on the potential of Pakistan having diplomatic ties with Israel, saying the country should do what is in its own best interest.

In an exclusive interview with DawnNewsTV, Mandviwalla, whose party is a part of the government, had said: "We should not stop dialogue and trade with any country. People criticise Israel [but] we have to look after our own interests."

Pakistan does not recognise Israel and, therefore, doesn’t have diplomatic relations with it. The country has been a staunch supporter of a Palestinian state.

After the Abraham accords — a deal brokered by the US in 2020 which saw normalisation of relations between Israel, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Bahrain — Pakistan had made clear that it cannot recognise Israel until a "just settlement of the Palestinian issue" is found.

Referring to the Middle East nations, Mandviwala said they were negotiating with and trading with Israel, adding that Pakistan must also do what suits its own interest.

But today, in a conversation with Dawn.com, Mandviwala said his words regarding Israel were being distorted. "I never wanted Pakistan to further ties with Israel or indulge in trade with it."

He insisted that recognising Israel was not in Pakistan's interests.

The senator emphasised that his views on Israel were quite clear that Pakistan should not recognise it, saying: "I have made a similar statement in the parliament also."

He said Israel's atrocities against unarmed Palestinians were known to the world.

"The silence of the global community against Israel's oppression of Palestinians is worrying," Mandviwala added.

Last month, the revelation that a number of Pakistani expats recently travelled to Israel as part of a delegation sparked a controversy, inviting criticism from several quarters including former premier Imran Khan and his party. This prompted the PML-N-led government to clarify that it had not sponsored or backed the delegation's visit.

The issue was discussed at length in parliament, press conferences and public meetings where questions were raised on the government's role vis-a-vis the delegation's visit to Israel. In the upper house of parliament, Jamaat-i-Islami Senator Mushtaq Ahmed dema*n*d**ed that the nationality of those expatriates who travelled to Israel be cancelled and the NGO that facilitated their visit be banned.

He said the visit of Ahmed Qureshi, who was working for state-run Pakistan Television (PTV), as part of the delegation raised many questions and sought to know under which authority and on which travel documents he undertook the visit.

Information Minister Marri*yum Aurangzeb had also told a presser that PTV had terminated the contract of the anchorperson who visited Israel "in his personal capacity".

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The Saudis have pressed Pakistan to recognise Israel to prepare the ground for their own recognition.

Even if it would benefit Pakistan economically, the domestic political environment would never allow it until a settlement with the Palestinians.
 

You dont sell your soul for what will be a small benefit in monetary terms.

The American Pakistanis who went to Israel were most likely bought out by Zionists.

Pakistan is a big problem for Israel due to its nuclear power. Zionists are running out of patience in their dream of building their temple. It seems they will have to wait until there is a WW3 where many nations are destroyed making it easy for them to take over the temple mount.
 
The Foreign Office on Thursday “categorically rejected” reports of a Pakistani delegation visiting Israel, clarifying that there was no change in the country’s policy on the subject.

According to FO spokesperson Asim Iftikhar Ahmed, the “reported visit in question was organised by a foreign NGO (non-government organisation) which is not based in Pakistan”.

The statement comes a day after several foreign media outlets reported that a “Pakistani delegation”, including a former government minister, met Israeli Foreign Ministry officials in Jerusalem.

“The trip organiser said on Wednesday that the delegation included representatives from the American Muslims and Multifaith Women’s Empowerment Council and Sharaka, a US-based non-government group founded in the wake of the Abraham Accords, which was brokered by the Trump administration in 2020 and normalised relations between Israel and four Arab countries — the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco,” an Associated Press report said.
 
Kudos to Pakistan for being principled and not opening ties with that illegal state.

Bangladesh doesn't have full relation with Israel. They only reduced some passport restriction. I hope all relations will be cut off. No tie is necessary with illegal state of Israel.
 
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If the same principle applies why not cut off ties with China for mistreatment of Muslims . Or Saudi Arabia for their ruthless bombardment of Yemen? I am no supporter of what Israelis doing to Palestinians but I don’t understand the double standards .
 
Will Pakistan surrender to pro-Israel pressure?

Sharaka, a shadowy organization based in the United Arab Emirates and Israel, is pushing forward with efforts to promote diplomatic ties between Pakistan and the Zionist state.

Pakistan has always refused such ties, in solidarity with the Palestinian people. But while Islamabad has distanced itself from Sharaka’s normalization efforts, it has not clearly denounced or discouraged them – sending at the very least a mixed signal about its stance.

Sharaka is bringing Pakistanis to Israel under the guise of promoting “interfaith” cooperation.

But the real purpose of these visits – typically led by Muslim Zionists – is to open a path to formal diplomatic and even military relations between Islamabad and Tel Aviv.

One such Pakistani delegation made a trip to Israel last month, and it included a former government official.

“The goal was to create another stepping stone toward Israel-Pakistan relations,” Sharaka said in an email newsletter. The Washington-based American Muslim and Multifaith Women’s Empowerment Council (AMMWEC) also helped arrange the junket.

Previously, Nasim Ashraf served as a minister of state and chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board. He also holds US citizenship.

Ashraf openly discussed the political motivations behind the “interfaith” charade in an interview with Israeli satellite channel i24 News while in Jerusalem.

“Pakistan wants to have relations. But at the same time, Pakistan has consistently supported the Palestinian issue and its position vis-à-vis the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,” he said.

After an effectively US-backed putsch led to Imran Khan’s removal as Pakistan’s prime minister in April, he was replaced by Shehbaz Sharif, who previously expressed enthusiasm for “deepening” Pakistan’s relationship with the United States.
The Sharif family is notorious for its corruption.

But even the Sharifs, regarded as reliable US allies, have begun to slip from Washington’s grip.

Earlier this month, while speaking at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit in Uzbekistan, Sharif sounded consistent with his predecessor’s refusal of American pressure to cut ties with Russia following the latter’s invasion of Ukraine earlier this year.

Sharif lavished praise on Russia and its president, promising “to build our relations with your great country with full commitment and full dedication, because you are a superpower.”

“You are a man of action. You decide, and then you implement,” Sharif told Vladimir Putin.

But this week, General Qamar Bajwa, the outgoing chief of Pakistan’s army, headed to Washington for meetings with top American officials.

“We are seeing greater interaction between the political and military leadership of both countries,” Nasim Zehra, an Islamabad-based analyst, told Al Jazeera. “I wouldn’t rule out this trip involving discussions of greater military cooperation.”

That is significant, as the Pakistani military has tended to have the final say over the country’s direction, having repeatedly overthrown civilian governments.

The Pakistani military was a close ally of the United States during its proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s and again during the so-called War on Terror following the 11 September 2001 attacks.

Islamabad is now undoubtedly caught between its traditional role as a client of the United States, a waning geopolitical power, and the impulse to align with rising Eurasian powers much closer to home, especially China and Russia.

One indicator as to which way it is heading is whether Sharaka’s efforts to foster ties with Tel Aviv start to meet with success.

In the meantime, the Sharif government’s failure to clearly denounce and discourage such normalization efforts is not a good sign.

Tamara Nassar is associate editor and Ali Abunimah is executive director of The Electronic Intifada.

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If Pakistan can have diplomatic ties with India (its mortal enemy) then why not Israel? Israel is not Pakistan's enemy. The people of Israel are followers of Abraham and Moses (who are also prophets in Islam), so it makes sense to be friendly to them.

Palestinians do not give a hoot about Pakistan. In fact, Palestinians openly support India. Quoting Yasser Arafat: "Kashmir is an integral part of India."

For those hypocrites in Pakistan who talk about human rights of Palestinians, what about human rights for minorities in Pakistan?
 
If Pakistan can have diplomatic ties with India (its mortal enemy) then why not Israel? Israel is not Pakistan's enemy. The people of Israel are followers of Abraham and Moses (who are also prophets in Islam), so it makes sense to be friendly to them.

Palestinians do not give a hoot about Pakistan. In fact, Palestinians openly support India. Quoting Yasser Arafat: "Kashmir is an integral part of India."

For those hypocrites in Pakistan who talk about human rights of Palestinians, what about human rights for minorities in Pakistan?

He really said that?
 
If Pakistan can have diplomatic ties with India (its mortal enemy) then why not Israel? Israel is not Pakistan's enemy. The people of Israel are followers of Abraham and Moses (who are also prophets in Islam), so it makes sense to be friendly to them.

Palestinians do not give a hoot about Pakistan. In fact, Palestinians openly support India. Quoting Yasser Arafat: "Kashmir is an integral part of India."

For those hypocrites in Pakistan who talk about human rights of Palestinians, what about human rights for minorities in Pakistan?

Pakistan is like a limb of India. There is simply no correlation to Israel. This is a contrived state founded on falsehoods in the guise of religion. It's the most secular nation in the world that kills innocent civilians, children and women all the while pushing them in to the sea.

Oppression comes in many forms; Israel has mastered the art of brutality and inhumanity. Pakistan will shed blood if this premise ever came to light. For all it's faults, do not question the conviction of Pakistanis.
 
Pakistan is like a limb of India. There is simply no correlation to Israel. This is a contrived state founded on falsehoods in the guise of religion. It's the most secular nation in the world that kills innocent civilians, children and women all the while pushing them in to the sea.

Oppression comes in many forms; Israel has mastered the art of brutality and inhumanity. Pakistan will shed blood if this premise ever came to light. For all it's faults, do not question the conviction of Pakistanis.

The orthodox population is growing faster than secular Jews. Israel is not a secular state by any stretch of imagination regarding Pakistanis will shed blood. That’s pipe dreams
 
The orthodox population is growing faster than secular Jews. Israel is not a secular state by any stretch of imagination regarding Pakistanis will shed blood. That’s pipe dreams

Unlike Arabs, Pakistanis will take to the street. Al Aqsa is of prophetic importance!
 
The orthodox population is growing faster than secular Jews. Israel is not a secular state by any stretch of imagination regarding Pakistanis will shed blood. That’s pipe dreams

State of Israel is an evil secular/political project. It goes against their own theology.

Check this:


In this video, you can see the Rabbi saying Israel breaks two commandments (watch from 6:40):

Commandment #6: Do not Murder.
Commandment #8: Do not steal.
 
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Unlike Arabs, Pakistanis will take to the street. Al Aqsa is of prophetic importance!

Hate to break it to you . Eventually the Orthodox Jews will take over the al aqsa mosque also ( in a few decades). They will take everything. Pakistanis can take to the street all they want. Will not make a did difference
 
Hate to break it to you . Eventually the Orthodox Jews will take over the al aqsa mosque also ( in a few decades). They will take everything. Pakistanis can take to the street all they want. Will not make a did difference
And that will bring the apocalypse. You might be atheist but careful what you wish for. Muslims believe this will bring Mahdi AS
 
And that will bring the apocalypse. You might be atheist but careful what you wish for. Muslims believe this will bring Mahdi AS

Yup.

SalimBhai is saying things based on non-Muslim viewpoint.

Filistine will one day be liberated. It is in our prophecy.

Jesus (PBUH) will kill Dajjal at the gate of Ludd (which is located in modern day Israel).
 
Yup.

SalimBhai is saying things based on non-Muslim viewpoint.

Filistine will one day be liberated. It is in our prophecy.

Jesus (PBUH) will kill Dajjal at the gate of Ludd (which is located in modern day Israel).

To sweep stop and spirit
I am just predicting here . But I am pretty certain that the Israelis will take everything from the Palestinian in the next 20-30 years. Even the mosque. Now if that happens and Dajal never comes. What would you do. Does that shake your faith. Also it would pain me if the following happens. But I think the writing is on the wall. ( Palestinians losing land)
 
To sweep stop and spirit
I am just predicting here . But I am pretty certain that the Israelis will take everything from the Palestinian in the next 20-30 years. Even the mosque. Now if that happens and Dajal never comes. What would you do. Does that shake your faith. Also it would pain me if the following happens. But I think the writing is on the wall. ( Palestinians losing land)

Well Muslims believe the end times are nigh.
 
I would be very much in favour of as few countries having formal ties with Israel as possible. The gross injustices they mete out on a daily basis are just getting worse and worse.
 
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My question is what would your thoughts be, if the dajal never comes. Would you question your faith at that point. There is a strong possibility that israel will take over the mosque in the next decade or two. Hopefully you will be alive then.
 
Pakistan's Trade with Israel

https://www.voanews.com/a/rare-trade-occurs-between-pakistan-israel-/7029355.html

An association of American Jews on Thursday hailed what it said was the first shipment from Pakistan of food products offloaded in Israel.

The transaction this week involved Pakistani-Jewish businessman Fishel BenKhald and three Israeli businesspeople, the American Jewish Congress said in a statement from its New York headquarters.

BenKhald lives in Karachi, the largest city in the Muslim-majority nation, where he runs a Jewish kosher certification business for food manufacturers exporting products to destinations worldwide. He disclosed the rare bilateral trade via Twitter on Tuesday.

The businessman posted a video clip of his items, including dates, dry fruit and spices, on display in a Jerusalem market. The clip has since garnered more than 640,000 views.

"I was not expecting it to be taken that big of a deal," BenKhald said in written comments to VOA, adding that this was not the first export of Pakistani products to Israel.

"The Israeli government and buyers have no problem accepting the direct shipment from Pakistan,” he said, adding that Israel does not have a problem sending payments to Pakistani banks.

BenKhald's initiative was mainly praised by his Pakistani Twitter followers, including journalists, politicians and businesspeople, some of whom asked for his advice on how to sell their products to Israel. He attempted to reply to every message.

"Congrats brother, you are doing excellent service that diplomats and politicians couldn't do," wrote Syed Wiqas Shah, a prime-time television news show host.

"Time for both the countries to initiate dialogue and for this citizens-to-citizens contact could play a vital role in bringing both the countries close to each other," wrote Zameer Ahmed Malik.

Pakistani officials did not immediately comment on the rare trade.

Islamabad does not have diplomatic ties with Israel and refuses to recognize it as a sovereign state until the state of Palestine is established — a long-running policy of many Muslim-majority countries.

But the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain forged relations with Israel in 2020 under the U.S.-brokered Abraham Accords. Sudan and Morocco followed suit.

"Trade exhibits hosted by the UAE helped Pakistani and Israeli businessmen conclude a deal that enabled this week's Pakistani shipment to Israel," the American Jewish Congress noted. "We welcome this small step that can have wider implications for Israeli and Pakistani economies and for the region at large."

Pakistan is an acknowledged nuclear power and Israel is widely understood to have nuclear weapons. The two countries have held secret meetings on security-related issues since their foreign ministers met publicly in 2005. Pakistani Islamic groups and right-wing parties vehemently oppose forging bilateral ties with Israel over the Palestinian issue.

Pakistani citizens are barred from visiting Israel because the country's passport clearly says it is valid for all countries of the world except Israel.

BenKhald was among a group of Pakistanis who undertook a rare trip to Israel last year and visited the Jewish prayer site in Jerusalem known as the Western Wall. The 15-member group of primarily Pakistani Americans, who traveled on their U.S. passports, was organized by an American Muslim women's activist group in collaboration with an Israeli organization promoting ties with Muslim countries.

The visit drew a rebuke from Pakistani opposition politicians warning the government against ending Islamabad's official boycott of Israel. The reaction intensified after Israeli President Isaac Herzog told an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, about his private meeting with the delegation at his Jerusalem residence in early May 2022.

"I must say, this was an amazing experience because we haven't had a group of Pakistani leaders in Israel ever in such scope, and that all stemmed from the Abraham Accords," Herzog said.

Here we go maybe another sazzish (conspiracy) of Yahood-o-hanood (Jews & Hindus) another feather in the crown of PDM :13:
 
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My question is what would your thoughts be, if the dajal never comes. Would you question your faith at that point. There is a strong possibility that israel will take over the mosque in the next decade or two. Hopefully you will be alive then.

There's a strong chance Isa AS arrives by then and perhaps dajjal is already here
 
The Ummah is a myth. The Arabs detest Pakistan. Why should we sacrifice national self interest for such people?
 
No export consignment sent to Israel, says trade secretary
Efforts have been made to persuade Pakistan by the United States to recognise Israel as a sovereign state

Pakistan has not exported anything to Israel, and there are no official diplomatic ties between the two countries.

Secretary of Commerce and Trade Sualeh Ahmad Faruqui has confirmed that Pakistan has not sent any export consignment to Israel, and any claims suggesting otherwise are merely disinformation for political purposes.

The customs officials at the Karachi Port have also confirmed that no trade consignment was shipped from Pakistan to Israel. Also, Israel does not exist in the Pakistani customs system as a destination for import or export.

Although efforts have been made to persuade Pakistan by the United States to recognise Israel as a sovereign state, Pakistan has never recognised Israel as an independent state.

It is important to note that if someone imports something from Pakistan and then sends it anywhere in the world, including Israel, it is not considered an export from Pakistan to that country.

Similarly, while bilateral trade between Pakistan and India has been suspended for more than three years, the availability of Pakistani and Indian products in their respective countries’ markets does not constitute trade between the two countries.

The recent statement by the American Jewish Congress regarding a shipment of Pakistani-originated food products being offloaded in Israel is not accurate.

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https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/1056522-no-export-consignment-sent-to-israel-says-trade-secretary
 
The Ministry of Commerce on Sunday termed rumours regarding trade between Pakistan and Israel as “sheer propaganda” after the “misrepresentation of a statement” issued by the American Jewish Congress (AJC), an association of the Jewish community based in the US.

“The rumours about beginning of Pakistan-Israel trade is sheer propaganda affer (sic) the press release of AJC which was misrepresented,” the ministry said in a statement. “However, neither we have any trade relations with Israel nor we intend to develop any.”

Pakistan does not have diplomatic ties with Tel Aviv, and believes in a “two-state solution in accordance with the relevant United Nations and OIC resolutions as well as international law, with pre-1967 borders and Al-Quds Al-Sharif (Jerusalem) as the capital of Palestine”.

The statement by the commerce ministry comes after Fishel Benkhald, a Jewish Pakistani, tweeted on March 28 that he “exported [the] first batch of Pakistan food products to [the] Israel market.

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The Ummah is a myth. The Arabs detest Pakistan. Why should we sacrifice national self interest for such people?

Arabs have given Pakistan billions of dollars in freebies over the years. We have been leeching them in the name of Ummah, and we have done nothing in return for them. Case in point the Yemen war, we refused to support them, which was the right decision, however they have started to realize we are free loaders and are now not wanting to bail us out.

Also not recognizing Israel is not a favor to Arabs, its because the Pakistani people hate Israel and any government who recognizes them will lose political support.
 
To sweep stop and spirit
I am just predicting here . But I am pretty certain that the Israelis will take everything from the Palestinian in the next 20-30 years. Even the mosque. Now if that happens and Dajal never comes. What would you do. Does that shake your faith. Also it would pain me if the following happens. But I think the writing is on the wall. ( Palestinians losing land)

this results in the one state solution, which is what many Palestinians want. One state which will either give them the majority, of have high enough Palestinian % that the Jewish state ends and is a binational state.

Palestinians should push for this now. Many in Israel are willing to annex the West Bank, as without Gaza there is still a solid Jewish majority.

This is similar to what Lebanese Christians did. Instead of having a Lebanon which was 80% Christian, they got greedy and added some additional Muslim areas which resulted in Lebanon being 60% Christian. Today Lebanon is Muslim majority.

With the West Bank annexed the conflict is over, and the Palestinians are a minority in Israel for now. They should encourage the remaining Arab countries to recognize Israel then, and slowly through intermarriage they can bring in the refugees from Jordan and the other countries back to Palestine. It will take time but eventually Israel as a Jewish state would end. And it can be done peacefully.
 
PdM from self destruct to suicide track now , cometh the election there will be no electable from PDm these hypocrites plunderers thugs are finished
 
The Ummah is a myth. The Arabs detest Pakistan. Why should we sacrifice national self interest for such people?

Its the gulf countries that look down on south asians not the palestinians

With our religious sights under israeli control who commit crimes there everyday there is no way in the world pakistan should recognise the zionist state
 
Astghfirullah

Staying blind will not help Islam. Being realistic and acting accordingly is the right way. A strong Pakistan is needed for Islam to have authority on the world stage and without a nuclear power Islam looks extremely weak politically on the world stage.
 
Its the gulf countries that look down on south asians not the palestinians

With our religious sights under israeli control who commit crimes there everyday there is no way in the world pakistan should recognise the zionist state

Only the rulers and certain people with arrogance. There are many with a kind heart and friendly Arabs. I was once stuck on the dessert , not too far away from the main road. 6/7 cars stopped offering to help me, all Arabs.

PDM denying this but Israel itself confirming its true. Who is lying here?
 
Staying blind will not help Islam. Being realistic and acting accordingly is the right way. A strong Pakistan is needed for Islam to have authority on the world stage and without a nuclear power Islam looks extremely weak politically on the world stage.

That the royal Arabs are corrupt is in The Book.

Palestine goes beyond politics for Muslims and for all its faults, Pakistan has to hold its position less Kashmir become irrelevant.

However, it's a shame it's in the throes of China and is mute towards their holocaust
 
No move to recognise Israel, says FM Jilani

NEW YORK: Foreign Minister Jalil Abbas Jilani said on Sunday that there’s absolutely no move to recognise Israel and he did not meet his Israeli counterpart during the 78th UN General Assembly in New York this week.

Earlier this week, Israeli Foreign Minister Elhi Cohen told Israeli journalists that during the UNGA he met leaders from several Muslim countries who had not recognised Israel yet.

He also suggested that “six or seven” Muslim nations were likely to normalise ties with Israel, following Saudi Arabia’s potential inclusion in the Abraham Accords. The agreement represents Arab nations willing to normalise ties with Israel, such as the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan.

“We take decisions based on our interests and the interests of Palestinians,” the Pakistani foreign minister said, while talking to Dawn. “Our position is reflected in the statement that I made in the OIC Contact group on Palestine (earlier this week).”

 
There will be a day when Pakistan will remain to be the only nation that did not recognise Israel. And I will stand by Pakistan for doing that.

When Pakistan or Pakistanis do something regretful, I am the first to criticise them. But when Pakistan is doing something right, even if it may be hypocritical, I’m going to tip my hat and commend them for doing that one right thing.
 
Rumors Are Pakistan will have to recognize Israel as a a deal between Israel and Saudi. .
 
To accept Israel is just like to accept the fact that we have no Islamic values left. I don't want this acceptance to happen as Israel never existed.
 
To accept Israel is just like to accept the fact that we have no Islamic values left. I don't want this acceptance to happen as Israel never existed.

Saudi Arabia - the OG Islamic country - will accept Israel in the near future. They have already made overtures in that direction with fellow Islamic states like UAE/Bahrain etc. taking the initial leaps.

What is Pakistan in comparison?
 
Saudi Arabia - the OG Islamic country - will accept Israel in the near future. They have already made overtures in that direction with fellow Islamic states like UAE/Bahrain etc. taking the initial leaps.

What is Pakistan in comparison?
Pakistan should stand with the initiative. This acceptance won't bring fruitful results in my opinion. It will only show that Pakistan has no stance of its own and they are just going with the flow.
 
Saudi Arabia - the OG Islamic country - will accept Israel in the near future. They have already made overtures in that direction with fellow Islamic states like UAE/Bahrain etc. taking the initial leaps.

What is Pakistan in comparison?

Then why does it matter?
 
Previously many Pakistani govts want to recognize Israel due to US pressure, but they were all aware that if they did so, it would be massive public reaction which beyond their control, and the matter would not progress any further.

Even now, if any Pak government tries to do the same, it will not only face a strong public reaction but also lead to the downfall of the government itself, even ending the party's political career permanently
 
Previously many Pakistani govts want to recognize Israel due to US pressure, but they were all aware that if they did so, it would be massive public reaction which beyond their control, and the matter would not progress any further.

Even now, if any Pak government tries to do the same, it will not only face a strong public reaction but also lead to the downfall of the government itself, even ending the party's political career permanently
If Saudi Arabia says do it. Pakistan will do it. They have no choice. There will be protest for a week or so and then life back to normal. However I am not sure if Saudi will recognize Israel just yet either. This is all rumors
 
There would be widespread chaos. It would definitely spell the end of the nation. It will burn
Isn't it funny that it will end of nation and it will burn for the rights of non-Pakistanis but it's business as usual with people committing suicide and running out of country, our priorities are straight for sure.
 
Nothing will happen. Some protest and people will go back to normal life

I agree. Pakistanis faith in their identity has been slowly destroyed by seeing their army generals mow down their biggest heroes in a desperate effort to maintain their power. Ironically these same generals were once heroes themselves until it slowly dawned on the population that these guys never actually fought any wars for decades, but took foreign money at the drop of a hat to further other nations interests.
 
Isn't it funny that it will end of nation and it will burn for the rights of non-Pakistanis but it's business as usual with people committing suicide and running out of country, our priorities are straight for sure.
Less conflation and whataboutery
 

Pakistani man charged with plotting terrorist attack against Jews in New York on October 7 anniversary​


The Justice Department has charged a Pakistani national with allegedly plotting to attack Jews in New York on the anniversary of the October 7 terror attacks in Israel.

Muhammad Shahzeb Khan, 20, was going to carry out the attack in support of ISIS, prosecutors allege, and told an undercover agent he wanted to target New York because it has the “largest Jewish population in America.”

Khan is charged with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. He was arrested on Wednesday in Canada. The charges were unsealed Friday.

“The defendant is alleged to have planned a terrorist attack in New York City around October 7th of this year with the stated goal of slaughtering, in the name of ISIS, as many Jewish people as possible,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement, adding that “Jewish communities — like all communities in this country — should not have to fear that they will be targeted by a hate-fueled terrorist attack.”

In November 2023, Khan, who lives in Canada, began allegedly discussing his support for ISIS on an encrypted messaging application with two people who, unbeknownst to him, were undercover law enforcement officers. Khan told the officers that he was trying to create “a real offline cell” of ISIS that would target Jewish institutions around an unnamed city, according to court documents, and instructed the officers to buy firearms for those attacks.

Khan allegedly told the officers that he wanted to carry out the attacks on either October 7 or 11, because “oct 7 they will surely have some protests and oct 11 is yom.kippur,” a major Jewish holiday.

By August of this year, prosecutors allege, Khan decided that he wanted to carry out the attacks at a Jewish center in Brooklyn.

It is easy to “target jews” in New York because of the large Jewish population, he allegedly told the undercover officers, adding that “even if we dont attack a[n] Event[,] we could rack up easily a lot of jews.” Once he decided on the location of the attack, Khan allegedly paid a human smuggler to help him cross the border into the United States.

On September 4, Khan allegedly used three separate cars as he tried to cross Canada and enter the United States. He was stopped approximately 12 miles from the US-Canada border, according to the Justice Department.

 

Pakistani man charged with plotting terrorist attack against Jews in New York on October 7 anniversary​


The Justice Department has charged a Pakistani national with allegedly plotting to attack Jews in New York on the anniversary of the October 7 terror attacks in Israel.

Muhammad Shahzeb Khan, 20, was going to carry out the attack in support of ISIS, prosecutors allege, and told an undercover agent he wanted to target New York because it has the “largest Jewish population in America.”

Khan is charged with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. He was arrested on Wednesday in Canada. The charges were unsealed Friday.

“The defendant is alleged to have planned a terrorist attack in New York City around October 7th of this year with the stated goal of slaughtering, in the name of ISIS, as many Jewish people as possible,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement, adding that “Jewish communities — like all communities in this country — should not have to fear that they will be targeted by a hate-fueled terrorist attack.”

In November 2023, Khan, who lives in Canada, began allegedly discussing his support for ISIS on an encrypted messaging application with two people who, unbeknownst to him, were undercover law enforcement officers. Khan told the officers that he was trying to create “a real offline cell” of ISIS that would target Jewish institutions around an unnamed city, according to court documents, and instructed the officers to buy firearms for those attacks.

Khan allegedly told the officers that he wanted to carry out the attacks on either October 7 or 11, because “oct 7 they will surely have some protests and oct 11 is yom.kippur,” a major Jewish holiday.

By August of this year, prosecutors allege, Khan decided that he wanted to carry out the attacks at a Jewish center in Brooklyn.

It is easy to “target jews” in New York because of the large Jewish population, he allegedly told the undercover officers, adding that “even if we dont attack a[n] Event[,] we could rack up easily a lot of jews.” Once he decided on the location of the attack, Khan allegedly paid a human smuggler to help him cross the border into the United States.

On September 4, Khan allegedly used three separate cars as he tried to cross Canada and enter the United States. He was stopped approximately 12 miles from the US-Canada border, according to the Justice Department.

hey @FearlessRoar , why exactly a post about a pakistani terrorist hiding under a thread about bangladesh and israel.
 
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Pakistani man charged with plotting terrorist attack against Jews in New York on October 7 anniversary​


The Justice Department has charged a Pakistani national with allegedly plotting to attack Jews in New York on the anniversary of the October 7 terror attacks in Israel.

Muhammad Shahzeb Khan, 20, was going to carry out the attack in support of ISIS, prosecutors allege, and told an undercover agent he wanted to target New York because it has the “largest Jewish population in America.”

Khan is charged with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. He was arrested on Wednesday in Canada. The charges were unsealed Friday.

“The defendant is alleged to have planned a terrorist attack in New York City around October 7th of this year with the stated goal of slaughtering, in the name of ISIS, as many Jewish people as possible,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement, adding that “Jewish communities — like all communities in this country — should not have to fear that they will be targeted by a hate-fueled terrorist attack.”

In November 2023, Khan, who lives in Canada, began allegedly discussing his support for ISIS on an encrypted messaging application with two people who, unbeknownst to him, were undercover law enforcement officers. Khan told the officers that he was trying to create “a real offline cell” of ISIS that would target Jewish institutions around an unnamed city, according to court documents, and instructed the officers to buy firearms for those attacks.

Khan allegedly told the officers that he wanted to carry out the attacks on either October 7 or 11, because “oct 7 they will surely have some protests and oct 11 is yom.kippur,” a major Jewish holiday.

By August of this year, prosecutors allege, Khan decided that he wanted to carry out the attacks at a Jewish center in Brooklyn.

It is easy to “target jews” in New York because of the large Jewish population, he allegedly told the undercover officers, adding that “even if we dont attack a[n] Event[,] we could rack up easily a lot of jews.” Once he decided on the location of the attack, Khan allegedly paid a human smuggler to help him cross the border into the United States.

On September 4, Khan allegedly used three separate cars as he tried to cross Canada and enter the United States. He was stopped approximately 12 miles from the US-Canada border, according to the Justice Department.

Western world should be wary of such 20 year Olds. Very easy to radicalise.
 
USA needs to worry about the out of control Maniacs who are murdering innocents in schools, Malls , and everywhere, in a out of control society when it comes to fire arms
True, but they would rather not have 20-something, radicalized maniacs adding to the mess that they already have on their hands. So they should be careful.
 
Israel are our besties hence Pakistan will never accepted in the friendhood of homies until we allow it.

Bangladesh doesn’t belong in our league. Can’t afford the membership. Besides we little buntings conscious. :afridi
 
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