Should Pakistan have different coaches for different formats?

[Bleedgreen4ever]

I seriously suggest axing Misbah in LOI.

I have never seen a more boring and lustreless Pakistan side. His LOI captaincy was where we had the worst ever CT. This guy does not know the ABC of LOI cricket. We need a more dynamic coach who will teach Pakistan the art of playing aggressive and fast cricket.

That being said I think we should persist with Misbah in tests as he has been fairly good in that format. His touring SENA record is probably the worst of any captain/ coach but making big changes might disturb the momentum of our side. We won't be touring SENA in the next two years for tests anyways.

Waqar should be axed altogether. Our bowling has become toothless without Hasan Ali and Amir thanks to this egoistic guy.

Have your say!

 

[Mamoon]

It is an impractical idea in general, but Pakistan is the last team in the world that can pull it off smoothly and successfully.

It won’t take more than a few months for lobbies to develop and both coaches and their pet players trying to overthrow each other.

The separation of powers will quickly become a power struggle.

 

[Varun]

Why have one scapegoat when you can have three?

 

[Hasan123]

No they shouldn’t. You guys who are blaming coaches need to look at the quality of the players first. Nawaz,Khusdil, and Iftikhar have done well in domestic cricket hence they are playing international cricket. That should worry you more than who the coach is. No coach is turning these players into Buttlers,Stokes, and Kohlis.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

At this point we need to stick with Misbah at least until the T-20 World Cup.

And you cant blame Misbah when you have untalented hacks like Iftikhar Ahmed and Khushdil Shah in your lineup. Especially dont understand when 35-40 year old Iftikhar was selected when he had an awful PSL in 2020.

 

[hitthestump]

At this point we need to stick with Misbah at least until the T-20 World Cup.

And you cant blame Misbah when you have untalented hacks like Iftikhar Ahmed and Khushdil Shah in your lineup. Especially dont understand when 35-40 year old Iftikhar was selected when he had an awful PSL in 2020.

Can't blame Misbah for Sri Lanka humilation
Can't blame Misbah for Australia humiliation
Can't blame Misbah for England humilation
Can't blame Misbah for Zimbabwe humilation
Can't blame Misbah for NZ humiliation
Can't blame Misbah for SA humiliation
Coming soon: Can't blame Misbah for World t20 humiliation

 

[Savak]

Pakistan is so behind with the times in the limited overs format, its not funny. It reflects in our selections and team play. Look at the innovative stroke play in the IPL, the rest of the world takes the IPL learnings and applies them to their cricket but our Pakistani players are still stuck with the regressive mindset of the 80's and 90's style cricket which just doesn't work anymore.

Pakistan definately needs to consider appointing a new head coach for the limited overs and T-20 format to inject a much different approach from Misbah. Heck get a power hitting coach in as well. A defensive bowling coach and a tough fitness trainer, fielding coach as well.

Pakistan needs to do this with our domestic cricket as well with the injection of foreign personnel in order to massively upgrade the quality of coaching. I believe this is Saqlain Mushtaq's, Grant Bradburn's domain.

 

[Hasan123]

Pakistan is so behind with the times in the limited overs format, its not funny. It reflects in our selections and team play. Look at the innovative stroke play in the IPL, the rest of the world takes the IPL learnings and applies them to their cricket but our Pakistani players are still stuck with the regressive mindset of the 80's and 90's style cricket which just doesn't work anymore.

Pakistan definately needs to consider appointing a new head coach for the limited overs and T-20 format to inject a much different approach from Misbah. Heck get a power hitting coach in as well. A defensive bowling coach and a tough fitness trainer, fielding coach as well.

Pakistan needs to do this with our domestic cricket as well with the injection of foreign personnel in order to massively upgrade the quality of coaching. I believe this is Saqlain Mushtaq's, Grant Bradburn's domain.

Lol at power hitting coach. I don’t even know what that is.

I have explained this before but I will explain it again. Hitting boundaries at will is not just about power. It is about positioning, footwork, hand eye coordination, balance, ability to time the ball, shot range, shot placement, and game awareness. Our batters for the most part lack in this and technical aspects of batting. Simply hiring a power hitting coach won’t solve anything.

Jos Butter and Rohit Sharma aren’t body builders, they have the skill set I mentioned above to be able to hit boundaries at will and they have enough power to clear the ropes.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Okay a good idea, but how will Iftikhar, Haider Talat and Khushdil improve.

For that to happen, ICC should change certain rules

Allow the coach to run for Haider, Talat and Khushdil as they just don’t know to rotate the strike

Allow the coach to bat in place of Iftikhar as there’s a high chance a T20I coach might be younger than him

Pakistan is a mediocre team, result of a mediocre structure and which is run by a mediocre management, appointed by a mediocre board

 

[Savak]

Lol at power hitting coach. I don’t even know what that is.

I have explained this before but I will explain it again. Hitting boundaries at will is not just about power. It is about positioning, footwork, hand eye coordination, balance, ability to time the ball, shot range, shot placement, and game awareness. Our batters for the most part lack in this and technical aspects of batting. Simply hiring a power hitting coach won’t solve anything.

Jos Butter and Rohit Sharma aren’t body builders, they have the skill set I mentioned above to be able to hit boundaries at will and they have enough power to clear the ropes.

England's Limited overs fortunes changes for the better after 2015 when they appointed a specialist Limited overs, T-20 coaching set up which includes a power hitting coach.

 

[Hasan123]

England's Limited overs fortunes changes for the better after 2015 when they appointed a specialist Limited overs, T-20 coaching set up which includes a power hitting coach.

No it didn’t.

You still need to have the skills what I mentioned.

Your understanding of cricket is shocking if you think a coach will drastically improve international players.


England’s LO fortunes changed when they started selecting the players who can play the format. Not when they appointed a power hitting coach.

 

[gazza619]

Separate coaches is not the solution.

Firing Misbah & Waqar is.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Can't blame Misbah for Sri Lanka humilation
Can't blame Misbah for Australia humiliation
Can't blame Misbah for England humilation
Can't blame Misbah for Zimbabwe humilation
Can't blame Misbah for NZ humiliation
Can't blame Misbah for SA humiliation
Coming soon: Can't blame Misbah for World t20 humiliation

Misbah was appointed coach in September of 2019. We should give him at least 2 years. T20 World Cup is in October, if Pakistan is humiliated by all means sack him.

 

[Savak]

No it didn’t.

You still need to have the skills what I mentioned.

Your understanding of cricket is shocking if you think a coach will drastically improve international players.


England’s LO fortunes changed when they started selecting the players who can play the format. Not when they appointed a power hitting coach.

A coach sets the direction, strategy and dictates the kind of players he wants in the team and the roles they should be playing.

England also employed a power hitting coach who has worked on the hitting technique's of the players. Power Hitting is a science and look at England's power hitting prowess now. Pakistan needs to move on with the times.

 

[Hasan123]

A coach sets the direction, strategy and dictates the kind of players he wants in the team and the roles they should be playing.

England also employed a power hitting coach who has worked on the hitting technique's of the players. Power Hitting is a science and look at England's power hitting prowess now. Pakistan needs to move on with the times.

You are absolutely clueless if you think a coach changed the fortunes of England's LO team.

Pakistan dont have the LO players England do for a coach to coach them into the best side in the world.

Your over playing the importance of a coach.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Misbah is okay as a coach across formats. We don’t really have anyone better unless a top tier international coach accepts the offer (and Wasim Khan has pulled off crazier things in his tenure, so not out of the possibility).

Until such time we get a good top class coach, I have no issues keeping Misbah as coach. His real failures were as Chief Selector. With M Wasim in the role, Misbah suddenly looks a lot better in the Tests against SA and T20Is too.

The reason is that competent selections like Nauman, Fawad, and hell, even Imran Butt for his slip fielding, were enough to turn the tide.

With less pressure and scrutiny, I expect Misbah to warm to the role better. He will never be a great coach, but he can be an okay or decent coach and that is fine until we find an alternative. I am not one to criticize if I don’t have a better solution.

The bigger improvement will be the hiring of a competent data team. CricViz would make even Waqar Younis look good.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Its a ridicoulous idea. CA and ECB have too much money to burn.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

In an ideal world yes but the money is best spent in purchasing drop in pitches or even scheduling more tests throughout the year.