Should Pakistan's tour of England go ahead?

[Abdullah719]

Haider Ali, Haris Rauf, and Shadab Khan just tested positive for COVID-19 in the first phase of testing for the Pakistan squad.

While they are asymptomatic, they have been advised to go into isolation immediately.

More test results are due tomorrow. If more players test positive, Pakistan will have to rely a lot on the reserve players and it may be difficult to get a strong squad in place.

On the positive side, it appears as though reinfection is unlikely/extremely rare as least for a decent amount of time, so if others also test positive then the players could conceivably isolate until the quarantine period is over then go for a delayed tour... Not sure if that's a feasible option or something that's being considered.

Things should be clearer in the next couple of days. What do you think should happen about the tour?

 

[shah_1]

Lets wait for tommrow

 

[sindhiboy]

I dont think this tour should go ahead. Infact, it is better for all of cricket to be halted for 1 year . There is no need to risk cricket players to covid.

 

[shah_1]

I dont think this tour should go ahead. Infact, it is better for all of cricket to be halted for 1 year . There is no need to risk cricket players to covid.

As if three tested +ve was due to tour lol. They are more safe in bio secure enviroment than in Pakistan right now

 

[aloo paratha]

Yes. Our players are safer in England.

 

[Savak]

Real Dilemma isn't it. Play Cricket and risk players catching Covid 19. Halt Cricket indefinately and the financial futures of the players and stakeholders will be in serious doubt.

 

[Kroll]

As per PCB, this will depend on the outcome of the other tests. But to have kept things simple, the tour should not have gone ahead from the beginning.

There is a reason why major summer tournaments around the world are not going ahead.

 

[Bewal Express]

As per PCB, this will depend on the outcome of the other tests. But to have kept things simple, the tour should not have gone ahead from the beginning.

There is a reason why major summer tournaments around the world are not going ahead.

Football has restarted, and so will other Sports. CV is here to stay, work within it, its not practical to stop all activities.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Yes. Our players are safer in England.

Safer in England i think not. The UK is the worst in Europe to be hit with covid especially England.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think they should postpone the tournament for now. Not worth it.

 

[aloo paratha]

Safer in England i think not. The UK is the worst in Europe to be hit with covid especially England.

England has beared its worse already, whereas Pakistan is yet to reach its peak. There are 5-6k new cases everyday in Pakistan, whereas there are only about 1k new cases in England everyday.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

England has beared its worse already, whereas Pakistan is yet to reach its peak. There are 5-6k new cases everyday in Pakistan, whereas there are only about 1k new cases in England everyday.

Good point bro. I think Mirpur has been pretty bad as well for cases. Perhaps better to be safe than sorry and abandon this tour. The lockdown has gotten much more strict in Pakistan now with 2 weeks isolation to be done in the airport for arrivals before being cleared (well this is what i've heard anyways).

 

[moghul]

No reason to cancel the trip, have to live with new realities and follow the protocol and guidelines.

The way players were ignoring social distancing during the training , I'm surprised only three came back positive.

Under current situation, players are much safer in England than in Pakistan. Whether England feels comfortable hosting them , that's the only question.

 

[Abdullah719]

No reason to cancel the trip, have to live with new realities and follow the protocol and guidelines.

The way players were ignoring social distancing during the training , I'm surprised only three came back positive.

Under current situation, players are much safer in England than in Pakistan. Whether England feels comfortable hosting them , that's the only question.

Only five results so far I believe... more to come tomorrow.

Hoping for the best.

 

[Arsal_AK]

No. It should go ahead. I'll prefer to be in bio secure environment and get to play cricket, less chance of getting the virus. Plus other sport is starting up again, cricket will have to.

Your point about reinfection being extremely unlikely (to the point there are no documented cases six months into the pendamic), means that this won't be much of an issue. They can fly the covid positive people later. The tour is over a month away, plenty of time to recover. It's actually better in a sense, since these people already have had a vaccine for the virus, its just the virus itself.

 

[Junaids]

Most posters are misunderstanding the real question.

This isn’t about the PCB or the ECB. It’s about whether the UK government can be seen to allow into the country several people who very recently tested positive, especially given that some people go negative and then revert to positive status.

Imagine that Shadab Khan retests negative and departs with the touring party.

And fourteen days later a cleaner at the Derby Travelodge tests positive.

This is not the USA with its denial of liability for Trump rally attendees.

That cleaner would sue the ECB, and win a fortune.

 

[aloo paratha]

Most posters are misunderstanding the real question.

This isn’t about the PCB or the ECB. It’s about whether the UK government can be seen to allow into the country several people who very recently tested positive, especially given that some people go negative and then revert to positive status.

Imagine that Shadab Khan retests negative and departs with the touring party.

And fourteen days later a cleaner at the Derby Travelodge tests positive.

This is not the USA with its denial of liability for Trump rally attendees.

That cleaner would sue the ECB, and win a fortune.

He's not gonna test negative in Pakistan and then magically test positive once he lands in the UK.

 

[Junaids]

He's not gonna test negative in Pakistan and then magically test positive once he lands in the UK.

I’m pretty sure that after 3 tests out of 5 players came back positive this tour is already uninsurable.

But imagine if this rate continues! Pakistan look like losing half their squad.

 

[Geil]

what ICC should look at is will playing cricket result in someone"s health getting seriously critical because of virus

I am very skeptical or in a dilemma on this subject like what if players have or get virus, will it affect their health seriously?, now we read that anyone below 40 has very little percentage of chance of getting affected health wise seriously but not above 40 and in cricket we do have people in the form of coaches/support staff who can seriously be in a life threatening situation if they transmit virus

I don't understand science but the only way to look forward is to come to a situation where most people will have virus and eventually get cured or recovered even without vaccine, I believe you cannot avoid being transmitted with the virus at some point of time majority of people will have virus and this will be the time where you can be little bit sure to start playing cricket

An examples of such situation is New Zealand who had a steep decrease in the number of active cases after a period of time, now Pakistan has quite a lot of number of active cases and UK too still has new cases which are not as high as Pakistan but still there, so it is better to avoid playing now and wait and watch for a period of time where the active/new cases are very low in the country which is hosting cricket and even the country which is visiting them as they can carry the virus to the visiting country

 

[MenInG]

I’m pretty sure that after 3 tests out of 5 players came back positive this tour is already uninsurable.

But imagine if this rate continues! Pakistan look like losing half their squad.

Absolutely unacceptable from PCB medical staff.

Players should have been tested immediately when it became known that the tour would go ahead and there wasnt going to be a camp - that would at the least have given them a baseline and also made clear to the players what they were up against.

They should have been tested weekly etc.

Its been left too late now and we are now praying for positive results.

 

[angrypathan]

Depends on how the rest of the players' tests come out. If we lose a decent chunk of the Test team, or key players like Babar and Shaheen, then the PCB cannot let this tour go ahead.

 

[MenInG]

Only five results so far I believe... more to come tomorrow.

Hoping for the best.

This is how the country runs so, yes its back to the Ja-e-namaz for some divine help.

 

[Junaids]

Absolutely unacceptable from PCB medical staff.

Players should have been tested immediately when it became known that the tour would go ahead and there wasnt going to be a camp - that would at the least have given them a baseline and also made clear to the players what they were up against.

They should have been tested weekly etc.

Its been left too late now and we are now praying for positive results.

We are seeing the first evidence for just how high community rates of infection in Pakistan are.

The PCB needed to camp the players at the NCA and another site from when the tour was conceived a month ago, with secret testing and confinement of positive players, to give them chance to recover and test negative while ensuring that the other squad members wouldn’t just catch this at home.

Instead the PCB has just gambled - and lost - that it’s players would isolate and stay uninfected at home.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Most posters are misunderstanding the real question.

This isn’t about the PCB or the ECB. It’s about whether the UK government can be seen to allow into the country several people who very recently tested positive, especially given that some people go negative and then revert to positive status.

Imagine that Shadab Khan retests negative and departs with the touring party.

And fourteen days later a cleaner at the Derby Travelodge tests positive.

This is not the USA with its denial of liability for Trump rally attendees.

That cleaner would sue the ECB, and win a fortune.

As I have said in the other thread, a person testing negative after infection will not test positive. There is no evidence of this happening from over a hundred countries including the likes of South Korea, who are the authority on the coronavirus, and have answered the question already.

The UK has been right behind the US with it's handling of the virus.

And no the cleaner won't/can't sue the ECB. He is working there out of his own free will. One, with contact tracing the way it is in the UK, they aren't going to trace every contact, they can't. Two, assuming they could, still wouldn't work. The players tested negative on entry, which means they got the virus in the UK.

Finally, the UK government is allowing people to enter the country. People who haven't undergone any testing and don't take the test anywhere in the UK on arrival too. They just quarantine at the most. We have better checks here at airports in Pakistan than in the UK, with mandatory tests.

So to suggest that they won't allow people who have actually tested negative and won't catch the virus again anytime soon is downright nonsensical.

 

[shamaan]

Most posters are misunderstanding the real question.

This isn’t about the PCB or the ECB. It’s about whether the UK government can be seen to allow into the country several people who very recently tested positive, especially given that some people go negative and then revert to positive status.

Imagine that Shadab Khan retests negative and departs with the touring party.

And fourteen days later a cleaner at the Derby Travelodge tests positive.

This is not the USA with its denial of liability for Trump rally attendees.

That cleaner would sue the ECB, and win a fortune.

That's why it should be delayed or the people who have been positive to come at a later date

 

[shamaan]

Absolutely unacceptable from PCB medical staff.

Players should have been tested immediately when it became known that the tour would go ahead and there wasnt going to be a camp - that would at the least have given them a baseline and also made clear to the players what they were up against.

They should have been tested weekly etc.

Its been left too late now and we are now praying for positive results.

Agreed pcb should have taken responsibility and tested earlier

 

[Mamoon]

No. PCB is the most incompetent board in the world and cannot be trusted. Not worth the risk.

 

[moghul]

PCB is run by mentally ******** people, looks like it. I said in my comments yesterday, the way players were giving a damn to the social distancing guidelines during the camp ran by PCB, this result was very much expected.

I still think , tour should go on , with the players who are lucky or smart enough to take care care of themselves and are negative from covid infection.

 

[Rana]

No. PCB is the most incompetent board in the world and cannot be trusted. Not worth the risk.

And ECB can???? They are desperate to have covid+ players willing to play their Test team! End this hypocrisy now!

 

[shamaan]

PCB is run by mentally ******** people, looks like it. I said in my comments yesterday, the way players were giving a damn to the social distancing guidelines during the camp ran by PCB, this result was very much expected.

I still think , tour should go on , with the players who are lucky or smart enough to take care care of themselves and are negative from covid infection.

Which camp

 

[TeymurBlake]

Looking at the numbers of players contracting Covid-19 has made me really think whether this tour is worth it. After the awful preparation that has been undertook by the PCB, its no surprise this is happening. Shameful.

You would expect some level of competence from the PCB but no.

 

[mon858]

Looking at the numbers of players contracting Covid-19 has made me really think whether this tour is worth it. After the awful preparation that has been undertook by the PCB, its no surprise this is happening. Shameful.

You would expect some level of competence from the PCB but no.

All it will take (God forbid hope doesn't happen), is for 1 player or family member of 1 player (could be elderly parent) or 1 staff member (or family member of that staff member) to pass away b/w now and september and this whole thing would not have been worth it...

 

[BD-fan]

I am not sure which universe these people live in.

Is there anyone here who hasn't had known of a person who died in COVID-19? If there anyone like that, he/she is NOT connected to his/her family members and is a loner (No friends). One death is too many. Risking our own family and friends? That is not worth anything.

 

[MenInG]

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[Hasan123]

It shouldn't go ahead with the amount of Pakistan players that have been tested positive and due to the current cases in Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

There are calls for tougher quarantine checks on arrivals from 'high-risk' countries as it emerges half of Britain's imported coronavirus cases originate from Pakistan.

Half the incidents of imported infections are understood to have come from Pakistan since June 4 as data from Public Health England showed 30 cases.

Since March 1, 190 flights have arrived from Pakistan which is reporting 4,000 coronavirus cases a day and has had a new spike since easing lockdown.

More than 65,000 people travelled to Britain and most are thought to have British passports, The Telegraph reported.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...HALF-Britains-imported-coronavirus-cases.html

 

[Junaids]

There are calls for tougher quarantine checks on arrivals from 'high-risk' countries as it emerges half of Britain's imported coronavirus cases originate from Pakistan.

Half the incidents of imported infections are understood to have come from Pakistan since June 4 as data from Public Health England showed 30 cases.

Since March 1, 190 flights have arrived from Pakistan which is reporting 4,000 coronavirus cases a day and has had a new spike since easing lockdown.

More than 65,000 people travelled to Britain and most are thought to have British passports, The Telegraph reported.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...HALF-Britains-imported-coronavirus-cases.html

It’s a stupid idea for both countries.

There’s a pandemic going on. Life shouldn’t be normal, and if people have too short an attention span to entertain themselves, tough.

In Coronavirus terms, combining England and Pakistan is like a remake of Dumb and Dumber.