Should PSL teams be fined/banned for individuals being caught/suspended for offences?

[MenInG]

I understand that PCB provides the players but some of the players are unknown and picked from PSL teams' talent hunt programs.

Who will take the responsibility of them being clean?

Should PSL teams be "certifying" these players before including them in their squads? And what happens if they bring the whole league into disrepute.

Needs some thought here.

 

[AFM]

How exactly would you certify players who are absolutely unknown before being discovered?

 

[MenInG]

How exactly would you certify players who are absolutely unknown before being discovered?

But is it fair on the PCB that tainted players are dumped on their head? and the whole PSL devalued?

There are ways such as meeting and looking at their contacts etc - some detective work and maybe something to be worked out as SOP type thing

 

[AFM]

But is it fair on the PCB that tainted players are dumped on their head? and the whole PSL devalued?

There are ways such as meeting and looking at their contacts etc - some detective work and maybe something to be worked out as SOP type thing

They are participating in a PCB event. By that logic, you can argue if it was fair on the ICC that they had to deal with the 2010 trio?

Besides, considering that the PSL would be the first contact these players have with the cricket world, it is extremely unlikely they would be in any bookies radar.

 

[MenInG]

They are participating in a PCB event. By that logic, you can argue if it was fair on the ICC that they had to deal with the 2010 trio?

Besides, considering that the PSL would be the first contact these players have with the cricket world, it is extremely unlikely they would be in any bookies radar.

I know what you are saying bro but if a player comes up into a PCB event via their system, you could say that he has been vetted and also knows about the warnings etc

Someone discovered from the streets etc - who educates him? What if he is already into this and just needs a nudge during the tournament?

I believe the teams cannot absolve themselves of this problem.

 

[Madplayer]

I think if the team management/owners etc are involved in any sort of gambling/betting or any illeagal practice concerning the team, the team should be banned. Not for individual players being corrupt because i think these players (the Pakistani players i mean) are made available/known to the franchises by PCB. These players play in domestic competitions organised by PCB and they are their primary employers. So basically the franchises trust the PCB blindly on this.

Even for the players selected through Talent hunt programmes (i dont know if anyone has been selected like that till now) there is an anti corruption unit for the PSL to take care of such matters.

I might be wrong but i think no franchise would like the additional headaches of checking each and every player's background, go deep into his personal life and see who he hangs out with etc before selecting him for the team.

 

[JibranAnsari]

These leagues come with their baggage , you cant put the players in cage and it is really very difficult to keep in check whom they meet or talk to on phone. The franchises and Pcb though need to make sure that they do not pick any players with shady pasts and the guys who have been named by bookies. The likelihood of a fixer getting caught is minimal so all we can do is pick what we get from the rumors and investigations.

 

[badsha001]

PCB should compensate somehow to Islamabad United for providing tainted players and it has damaged the Islamabad franchise reputation ..

 

[MenInG]

My point is that the buck needs to stop somewhere. Players are employees of PCB. They are provided to the franchises with some sort of assurances.

Wonder if there is a fineprint on this somewhere?

 

[Major]

Thats just wrong.

Thats like ICC fining or banning Pakistan team if a player is fixing in the national team.

I remember clearly when the trio case took place and there were stakeholders saying that Pakistan cricket should be banned altogether, and no one here liked that.


However, you could fine and ban them if the team owners itself are linked with corruption, you cant ban the whole franchise because of its employees.

Also, even if you start banning teams, players who are greedy will always find their way. I know the typical Pakistani mentality, which always says that hum kuch karlay gaye.

 

[MenInG]

Thats just wrong.

Thats like ICC fining or banning Pakistan team if a player is fixing in the national team.

I remember clearly when the trio case took place and there were stakeholders saying that Pakistan cricket should be banned altogether, and no one here liked that.


However, you could fine and ban them if the team owners itself are linked with corruption, you cant ban the whole franchise because of its employees.

Also, even if you start banning teams, players who are greedy will always find their way. I know the typical Pakistani mentality, which always says that hum kuch karlay gaye.

Where does the buck stop? There is a liability somewhere and that is either made clear in the contracts between PCB and Franchises or it should be.

Else, what is to stop a franchise to say to PCB you gave me a tainted player and my team is now a laughing stock (reputational damage)

 

[Adil_94]

if the team or elements of the team management knew of the fixing or is involved with bookies and illegal activities then yes. But if its a few individuals acting out of their own accord the whole team shouldnt be punished like others have said a lot of our fans were very angry when people like Botham said Pakistan should be banned from.Intl Cricket because of the trio.

 

[Major]

Where does the buck stop? There is a liability somewhere and that is either made clear in the contracts between PCB and Franchises or it should be.

Else, what is to stop a franchise to say to PCB you gave me a tainted player and my team is now a laughing stock (reputational damage)

Franchise can't really do anything.

You know, right before the Islamabad United match was held, the team did attended one of those Anti-Corruption seminar types, and yet right at the next day spot fixing happened.

Chalo, lets say you do place out rules and regulations that penalizes the franchise owner and whole team for the act of player who spot fixes.

This will lead to too much vigilance by the team management upon its players. Curfew times, reporting to team manager every time you go out.

Thing is, players usually play these t20 tournaments because you get a carefree atmosphere. An atmosphere where you could score three ducks in a row and yet you won't be dropped from the national team because of it. If you take away that atmosphere and place watchdogs upon players, then everyone feels uneasy. This will lead to less international players coming over, and with less international players and less marketing of the event, this leads to less profit. Soon, the franchise owners will be selling off their teams to other people.

One of the reason why IPL is liked by players is that carefree atmosphere, and those after parties.

I read in shoaib akthar's book, how after the spot fixing event, the team that went to South Africa were being scrutinize 24/7 which created an uneasy atmosphere

Thus, putting in extreme punishment upon the owners and whole team isn't the right decision. Remember, any owner could sell his team anytime, and if no one buys a team, a league ain't possible.

Corruption cannot be eradicated no matter how hard we try. There would always be the few bad apples. Even if we penalize team, the greedy guys won't stop.

People say had amir and co been given life bans this would had not happened, but to be honest, it would had still happened.

Remember, after the amir even, the Westfield event happened at Essex aswell.

I think the most we could do now is FBR acting serious and start doing audits on the accounts of each player.

 

[msb314]

I'd say impose big fans and deduct points if any PSL franchise player is guilty for fixing along with a life ban for the player.

 

[MenInG]

Franchise can't really do anything.

You know, right before the Islamabad United match was held, the team did attended one of those Anti-Corruption seminar types, and yet right at the next day spot fixing happened.

Chalo, lets say you do place out rules and regulations that penalizes the franchise owner and whole team for the act of player who spot fixes.

This will lead to too much vigilance by the team management upon its players. Curfew times, reporting to team manager every time you go out.

Thing is, players usually play these t20 tournaments because you get a carefree atmosphere. An atmosphere where you could score three ducks in a row and yet you won't be dropped from the national team because of it. If you take away that atmosphere and place watchdogs upon players, then everyone feels uneasy. This will lead to less international players coming over, and with less international players and less marketing of the event, this leads to less profit. Soon, the franchise owners will be selling off their teams to other people.

One of the reason why IPL is liked by players is that carefree atmosphere, and those after parties.

I read in shoaib akthar's book, how after the spot fixing event, the team that went to South Africa were being scrutinize 24/7 which created an uneasy atmosphere

Thus, putting in extreme punishment upon the owners and whole team isn't the right decision. Remember, any owner could sell his team anytime, and if no one buys a team, a league ain't possible.

Corruption cannot be eradicated no matter how hard we try. There would always be the few bad apples. Even if we penalize team, the greedy guys won't stop.

People say had amir and co been given life bans this would had not happened, but to be honest, it would had still happened.

Remember, after the amir even, the Westfield event happened at Essex aswell.

I think the most we could do now is FBR acting serious and start doing audits on the accounts of each player.

Speaking to one of the PSL Team people, they told me that most of the players dont even understand the complexities of what the anti-corruption code!

They sign docs and attend courses without knowing or understanding these. Education (or lack thereof) is an issue