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Should the PCB have scrapped the tour of England after 7 positive cases in the England camp?

Should the PCB have scrapped tour of England after 7 positive cases in the England camp?


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Imagine the furore if this happened elsewhere - pretty much the whole squad for England is isolating for one reason or another and a new squad named.

Apart from the concerns about health - what about the planning done for the game as most players arent there any more?

Should PCB have scrapped the tour?
 
The more important question

Is Pakistan in a position to deny touring an A list team ??
 
Why should we scrap this? We are not in a position to make enemies
 
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I am pretty sure if it had happened with Pakistan team or in Pakistan, England would have scrapped the tour straight away. 100% confident.

Bring the boys home.
 
England done it with SA, and they’d probably do it with us too had they toured Pakistan.

Pakistan should get more than just England touring Pakistan, maybe allowing some of their top players to play in the PSL even if they have commitments with the national team.
 
I am pretty sure if it had happened with Pakistan team or in Pakistan, England would have scrapped the tour straight away. 100% confident.

Bring the boys home.

Other approach would be to make England feel obliged to send a team to Pakistan to play international cricket. A leverage window has opened, use it.
 
No it’s a perfect opportunity for some experimentation but we all know that we’re going to play full-strength in all 3 ODIs.
 
if England's 'bio-secure bubble' was on the same level as of Pakistan's during PSL 6 earlier this year, and England's medical facilities were as bad as Pakistan's, then yes cancelling the series and returning home would be an option.


But yes PCB should use it for some leverage in the future.



And besides, lets see how our full strength team of today will do against England A or B side :)
 
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A) They are already in England
B) They have replaced the entire team.

No issues. The game moves on
 
No, we need to make friends and the ECB should be our top target. I agree that had the boot been on the other foot, the ECB and particular England players couldnt have got onto the plane fast enough.
 
As if England would stay in Pakistan or even UAE if this would have happened to the Pakistan squad.
 
Why should we scrap this? We are not in a position to make enemies

We never will be in a position to make friends or enemies. So we might as well ride the outcast title forever instead of trying to be nice to others who would never return the favour for us.
 
I am pretty sure if it had happened with Pakistan team or in Pakistan, England would have scrapped the tour straight away. 100% confident.

Bring the boys home.

If Pakistan held the same status as England in the world game in financial, governing and development levels, then yes they would be in a strong position to cancel. England's domestic cricket, and international programme is very strong, so they can pick and choose series to play in.

Now ask yourself, is this also the situation with Pakistan? A country where the first class cricket structure is still not professional as far as I'm aware.
 
As far as ECB is taking the necessary protocols atleast by now as they have manifested by changing the complete squad, I think tour should go on. Yes if it would have been other way around than things could have been different as Eng showed by scrapping SA tour as well. However, yes one can argue that situation of the world with more information, vaccines etc is much improved now than it was when that tour happened.

PCB's main priority should be the safety of players first which I think with Eng's new squad is hopefully well in place and then comes the tours of Eng, NZ and Aus which Pak wants to host in the next year or so. If the players are safe I think PCB would like to enhance already good relations with ECB to further solidify already planned tour of England to Pakistan.

However, a lot to think about for ECB after this lapse before a pretty important part of their cricketing calendar with Pak seris, the 100 and Indian test series.
 
ECB acted swiftly, 3 players test positive whole squad is swapped we move on. The difference is PCB would never have acted as swiftly, nor would they have had the brains to replace the whole squad, or the resources for that matter.

England have the facilities to potentially change the whole tour schedule at the drop of the hat, pakistan barely has 2 venues suitable for use, i can carry on but this is some of the reason pakistan wouldnt even dream of pulling out of this tour.
 
The biggest problem that i am seeing right now is
If by chance pak lose this series
Then england will definitely send their z team to pakistan lol
So i hope they treat england like a club team so they can send their A team
 
If this was reversed, for example 7 positive results from Pakistan and in Pakistan then there would have been a good chance the tour was off.

Unfortunately, Pakistan are not a force in cricket anymore meaning they are unable to dictate any terms. They play when they are told to.
 
Why should this have been scrapped?

SA v Eng was scrapped because the English players threw a fit about their training facilities, went to train next to a construction site and contracted the virus. The Pakistan players are currently virus free and have not complained about their facilities.
 
People here are missing the point by bringing in what England did in South Africa. England players contracted COVID in South Africa largely due to their own doing. And what Australia did before the South Africa series was completely wrong. It was a major overreaction. And thing is that if the ECB can't provide an airtight bio-secure bubble than nobody can.

On top of that, even if the situation in England was (hypothetically) very bad, Pakistan is in no position to cancel such a major series. You can pretty much guarantee an enemy for years to come in the ECB, and that is not a prospect the PCB even want to contemplate
 
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Most of Pak squad will have Corona anyway, dodgy testing kits they use show negative…
 
It's fine, we have to do what we can with what's available.

However, England should remember that we showed quite some leniency, and hopefully they reciprocate the same when touring later this year.
 
No, play on. Pakistan cricket team or its people doesn't care about Covid anyway.
 
The more important question

Is Pakistan in a position to deny touring an A list team ??

You guys are really obsessed with this position/power/status mindset. Pretty nauseating, but not surprising given how your board has operated in the recent years.

Pakistan tours England every other year or so, wouldn't be the end of the world if they skip a tour on health and safety concerns.
 
You guys are really obsessed with this position/power/status mindset. Pretty nauseating, but not surprising given how your board has operated in the recent years.

Pakistan tours England every other year or so, wouldn't be the end of the world if they skip a tour on health and safety concerns.

First part of your post is a rant. I will ignore it.

2nd part - No you can't. Unfortunately PCB is in no position to make another enemy. So, even if you want to, you can't. Unless the situation becomes untenable.
 
We never will be in a position to make friends or enemies. So we might as well ride the outcast title forever instead of trying to be nice to others who would never return the favour for us.

Good things do happen to good people. I am sure England will return the favor by touring Pakistan later this year
 
While its incredibly unfortunate that England's entire squad has been quarantined, the silver lining for them is that they will get a chance to see an artist by the name of Babar Azam at work. And they will get to see it without worrying about what to bowl to him or if he will throw a catch their way. No interruptions, with a comfy hotel room bed and a big screen TV to ensure that it will be a totally pleasurable viewing experience.
 
The PCB is owed some pretty big favours from the likes of ECB.

Let's see if they deliver when it's their turn, or will these favours be forgotten.
 
First part of your post is a rant. I will ignore it.

2nd part - No you can't. Unfortunately PCB is in no position to make another enemy. So, even if you want to, you can't. Unless the situation becomes untenable.

Showing you the mirror is not ranting.

Again, not everything is about making enemies and showing strength. Only a few obsesses about that even during a pandemic when human lives are in danger.

Yeah, repeating yourself wouldn't make it true.
 
Nope. We need England to tour Pakistan. Can't afford to make enemies.
 
Showing you the mirror is not ranting.

Again, not everything is about making enemies and showing strength. Only a few obsesses about that even during a pandemic when human lives are in danger.

Yeah, repeating yourself wouldn't make it true.


Your country mate has the answer for you. Go on and read.


Nope. We need England to tour Pakistan. Can't afford to make enemies.
 
Imagine the furore if this happened elsewhere - pretty much the whole squad for England is isolating for one reason or another and a new squad named.

Apart from the concerns about health - what about the planning done for the game as most players arent there any more?

Should PCB have scrapped the tour?

We need England to tour Pakistan later this year.
 
The PCB is owed some pretty big favours from the likes of ECB.

Let's see if they deliver when it's their turn, or will these favours be forgotten.

English players have toured Pakistan for the PSL. I think that will help big time. Having Wasim Khan in the PCB will also help with this.
 
It would have been entertaining to see PCB try this stunt. The repercussions would have been ugly but enjoyable.
 
It would have been entertaining to see PCB try this stunt. The repercussions would have been ugly but enjoyable.

Why should the PCB try this? England did not call off the Sri Lanka tour when 3 Sri Lankan players literally sneaked out of their bubble and had to be sent back.

The examples used by some cricket illiterates include the SA v England tour and yet that only occurred because both boards were not willing to work with each other. England actively campaigned to train somewhere else and then, without input from CSA moved to train next to a construction site and positive tests followed, leading to a cancellation of the tour.

The ECB and PCB are on good terms, there is no whinging about training from the PCB, no Pak player has broken protocol this time and the ECB has had enough time to put together a whole new squad.

So why would anyone in their right mind on either the ECB or PCB side not want the series to go ahead?
 
England vs Pakistan cricket is really entertaining. I would rate it higher than India vs Pakistan. I wouldnt want the fans to be robbed of this. However it is extremely disappointing that England is forced to play its Z squad due to their pathetic bio bubble.
 
You guys are really obsessed with this position/power/status mindset. Pretty nauseating, but not surprising given how your board has operated in the recent years.

Pakistan tours England every other year or so, wouldn't be the end of the world if they skip a tour on health and safety concerns.

What he told is the truth. Most of your country mates also have similar opinion. Stop being salty, it's not even insulting to be less powerful.
 
England vs Pakistan cricket is really entertaining. I would rate it higher than India vs Pakistan. I wouldnt want the fans to be robbed of this. However it is extremely disappointing that England is forced to play its Z squad due to their pathetic bio bubble.

The England squad is still strong.

I agree we didnt want this series to be cancelled. Pakistan’s performance in England in the last few years has been a big anomaly.
 
If the shoe was on other foot England would not give a second thought in abandoning the tour. I am not saying PCB should scrap the tour but atleast ask the ECB to reveal how the players got the virus in the bubble? Who are those players and whether the bubble was breached? PCB has all the right to ask these questions. They should not timidly accept everything thinking of relationship with ECB and future tours. With only 4-5 major teams remaining, Eng have no option but to play Pak in future anyway.

I live in Eng and well aware of the double standard of media in this country. If it was Pak/SL/BD players, you would be hearing about it 24/7...how third world countries spreading virus. Still remember the amount of hoopla they created when IPL got postponed due to bubble breach. Now just bcoz their own precious little players contacted the same virus, they are all playing hush hush and downplaying the incident. PCB must not let it get slide by.

Also, what is ECB giving back to Pakistan anyway after PCB acting all good? 2 solitary T20s in Pakistan which already got postponed once? C'mmon guys....you are better than that.
 
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Rules in England are changing and from 19 July adults testing positive will not have to self isolate.
 
What he told is the truth. Most of your country mates also have similar opinion. Stop being salty, it's not even insulting to be less powerful.

No one said its insulting. But your power-obsessed mindset is sickening.
 
Babar Azam:

“No, we didn’t think about [cancelling the tour], it didn’t come into our minds at any time."

“The PCB (Pakistan Cricket Board) and ECB have assured us that they will take care of the safety and health of all team members.

“Of course, that was disappointing news. [But] we have to understand that these are unprecedented times of Covid-19. We are focusing on cricket and the first match. “
 
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Pakistani people and nation showing their big hearts
 
Pakistan captain Babar Azam said Wednesday there was no thought of abandoning the team’s white-ball tour of England after learning of a major coronavirus outbreak within the home squad.

Two days before the one-day series was scheduled to begin, England announced that seven of its personnel — three players and four members of the backroom staff — had tested positive for coronavirus.

With the rest of squad instructed to isolate after being identified as close contacts, the tour — featuring three ODIs and three Twenty20 matches — could have been in jeopardy but the England and Wales Cricket Board hastily assembled an entirely new 18-strong squad from across England’s county game.

Asked whether there was any temptation to call off the trip, Babar said: “No, we didn’t think about it, it didn’t come into our minds at any time.

“The PCB (Pakistan Cricket Board) and ECB have assured us that they will take care of the safety and health of all the squad members. Of course it was disappointing news. We must understand that these are unprecedented times of COVID-19. We are focusing on cricket and the first game.”

That comes on Thursday in Cardiff and Babar was keen to underline that Pakistan will not be underestimating a revised England squad containing nine players uncapped at the ODI level.

“We can’t take any player playing for England lightly,” said Babar, the top-ranked ODI batsman who has represented Somerset in English county cricket over the last couple of years.

“They may be new players but they are playing for England. I know a few of them having played in the T20 Blast and those we don’t know we have researched their performances.”

Ben Stokes will captain England in its emergency, having been left out of the original group to continue his recovery from finger surgery.

The allrounder has called on England’s makeshift squad to make the most of an unexpected opportunity.

“One thing I told myself to tell the team is that, although this has been a very quick turnaround of events in having to pick a new squad, it does not matter what names are on the back of an England shirt. We are walking out there as the No. 1 team,” Stokes said.

“That is an exciting thing to say you are a part of,” he continued, “whether you are an experienced player, young player or someone coming into the group for the first time. Situations like these are so rare and such a fluster, I would say you have got a chance to represent your country so let’s do it with a smile on our face and just enjoy it as much as we can as a group.”

https://apnews.com/article/england-europe-sports-446d6d052286bb324958632045fe24c4
 
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