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Shubman Gill vs Haider Ali - Future Stars

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Both are new batting prodigy from subcontinent looking for to represent there respective team's in all formats, which one of you think hold better future ?
 
Shubman Gill vs Haider is wrong comparison. I would rather say

Shubman vs Abdullah
Haider vs prithivi shah

Would be a better one. We will know in 5 years who went on to become kholi and who became umar akmal 😀
 
Silly, silly comparison

Gill is in another league.
 
Here you go! :ua

This thread will entertain till the end of next decade.
 
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cant wait to come back to this thread after 10 years.

Gill looked a million dollars today despite being dropped. Lets see how haider ali fares in tests
 
There we go fellas. :yk

This thread is gonna rule PP for the next decade and a half.
 
Ya Allah! Please keep Haider safe from this thread, he knows not what people have done here! He is innocent of this!
 
Whichever young player coming from India will have the best possible cricket culture and people around him to guide and develop him to a quality at International level

wheres a young player from Pakistan will have the wrong culture and mostly people who would misguide him on his path to become a quality player, so the comparison isn't much there IMO unless Pak system changes in this coming new decade,

as most the times if u compare ten young Indian cricketer u might get at least 4-5 much improved cricketer than their Pak counterpart who would most probably et 1-3 out of 10 at best
 
Indian_cricket_fan said:
Shubman Gill vs Haider is wrong comparison. I would rather say

Shubman vs Abdullah
Haider vs prithivi shah

Would be a better one. We will know in 5 years who went on to become kholi and who became umar akmal 😀
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Gill wins
Haider wins

Between Gill and Haider, Gill wins
 
This is just unfair on Haider.

Gill is elite. A world class batsman already. He will be talked about as a legendary batsman with 10 years or so.

He is the next great Indian batsman.

Haider on the other hand is a very good raw talent for Pakistan’s pathetic standards. He can be an explosive LOIs opener for Pakistan with more longevity and success than Fakhar.
 
How about we wait for Haider to see if he plays for Pakistan in Test Cricket first before starting this comparison? Even in Limited overs international Cricket both Shubman and Haider have very little experience right now.
 
Ridiculous comparison. Other than a couple of T20s innings, Haider hasn't shown the ability of Gill. Gill is much more composed and has a much better technique. Furthermore he has a first class average of 68 and he is only 21. So at the age of 21 ,he has shown he can bat big. Imagine at his peak how good he will be. I doubt Haider will average 68 if he played 21 first class games.

Haider can be a good player but don't see him reaching the heights of Gill.
 
Gill is simply far better than Haider atm but it would be great for Pakistan cricket if Haider can be half as good as Gill.
 
It would be grossly unfair to compare Gill with any other young player in the game. He is special and his innings today proved that. Haider is a very talented player (and certainly special by our current standards) but still not in the same league as Gill. Further, the way the respective countries are handling the two players is poles apart. Gill is being nurtured with the intent of molding him into an all format star while the way Haider is going his sole intention seems to be to end up as a T20 hack of middling success.
 
Unfair comparison. Gill is a proper batsman where Haider is hit or miss blind slogger. Haider has long way to go to be even called as a batsman. Need to work with professional batting coach not Younis Khan.
 
Shafi said:
Unfair comparison. Gill is a proper batsman where Haider is hit or miss blind slogger. Haider has long way to go to be even called as a batsman. Need to work with professional batting coach not Younis Khan.
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He isnt a slogger hes a proper batesman if you watched him in the longer format you would know this
 
Shafi said:
Unfair comparison. Gill is a proper batsman where Haider is hit or miss blind slogger. Haider has long way to go to be even called as a batsman. Need to work with professional batting coach not Younis Khan.
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Haider isn't a slogger. But yes Gill is the next Kohli.
 
If Haider can hold onto his place in the T20I team till the T20I WC in Australia, I will be more than happy. Competing Shubham is a long shot.
 
Typical Thread of comparison from someone who have already announced the world cricket that he is the next star, to a player who got bat in his hand like yesterday...

fact is current top 20 batsmen in Ind camp can easily counter Babar Azam. Please stop the comparison and fix our setup so that we produce quality players...
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I mean he has potential to be better than Kohli if he keeps this up. Kohli was nowhere near this good at the age of 21.
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You don't have to be that good at 21, you do not become kohli at 21 no matter how good you are.
 
Technically there is a huge difference between the two. Gill looks like a proper batsman who could bat all day in a Test if required whereas Haider looks like someone who will get you a quickfire 30 on a good day.

Interesting that Gill has already played 26 first-class matches, but Haider only 8.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Gill will be better than Kohli.
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There is no saying how a player's career turns out. I think he could be very good but you can never predict if one can be Kohli (or Smith in Tests) good. Takes a lot more than talent for that, otherwise we would have multiple Kohlis by now.

Kohli was not earmarked to be a batting great at age 19. I'm sure there were more hopes from Rohit Sharma at one point. Even Unmukt Chand was seen as the next Kohli at one point but flopped hard in domestic cricket. Gill has crossed that point but whether he can stay mentally strong, keep improving and maintain his form over a long period of time will determine whether he can be better than Kohli.
 
Saj said:
Technically there is a huge difference between the two. Gill looks like a proper batsman who could bat all day in a Test if required whereas Haider looks like someone who will get you a quickfire 30 on a good day.

Interesting that Gill has already played 26 first-class matches, but Haider only 8.
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Gill was also the youngest captain in Deodhar trophy final at age 20 , the one before being Kohli.(21). other mentionable names: Kapil Dev(23)
 
Saj said:
Technically there is a huge difference between the two. Gill looks like a proper batsman who could bat all day in a Test if required whereas Haider looks like someone who will get you a quickfire 30 on a good day.

Interesting that Gill has already played 26 first-class matches, but Haider only 8.
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Pakistan should have more FC teams. The new system of 6 teams wont work in a population of 220mn.
 
What a stupid comparison



Haider has severe technical defencies and wont be long before he will lose his place in Pakistan XI. He started getting exposed in NZ series and it will continue. Haider is not only weak against short stuff rather has non-exiistent game against short deliveries. Whenever targeted he panics and throws away his wicket in a matter of few deliveries.
 
This comparison is premature not only by lack of visible comparison, but also by team character.

Haider Ali is to perform a far more different role for the Pakistan team as opposed to Shubman Gill.

Gill takes his time and looks easy on the eye with immaculate stroke play.

Haider, when he starts middling the ball, looks very elegant and flambuoyant.

If you want to compare them at this stage, Shubman is far, far ahead.

That being said, I'd be happy to see Haider get game time, preferably in domestic cricket before exposing him to the international level.

IMO it should have been Haider named in the test squad for South Africa, but it's fine for now.

Can't wait to watch the careers of two potential superstars unfold.
 
hur rizvi said:
What a stupid comparison



Haider has severe technical defencies and wont be long before he will lose his place in Pakistan XI. He started getting exposed in NZ series and it will continue. Haider is not only weak against short stuff rather has non-exiistent game against short deliveries. Whenever targeted he panics and throws away his wicket in a matter of few deliveries.
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I noticed that as well.

He looks very uncomfortable against the short pitched deliveries. He's pretty good against fuller deliveries, but he doesn't fully commit to shots.

His shot selection against short-pitched bowling is also questionable because he hasn't developed a strong pull shot yet. He tries to pull it along the ground, but he tries to pull deliveries that are too full or too short.
 
Although gill is better and most probably always will be better, Haider shouldn't be judged as another Umar Akmal just from t20s where the natural instinct of an aggressive batsmen is to attack the ball and get runs every ball. First he should play a couple of more list a and first class game and then debut in odis at the age of 22-24. He wont be looking to hit a six every ball in odis.
 
His technique is lesser than a club level batsmen and he is feeding on low quality bowlers because his power and timing is immaculate , he will be going to reconditioning his technique hopefully after PSL and I know it will be hard because he will have to play shots against his natural reflexes
 
Gill helped his team win a Test series in Aus with his sublime performance and can be a future superstar if he continues to performance consistently. This Hailder Ali looks like an absolute hack with no game awareness in the mold of another hack, Asif Ali. Why call him a Future star when he did nothing of note in the international scene?
 
MHN1293 said:
Although gill is better and most probably always will be better, Haider shouldn't be judged as another Umar Akmal just from t20s where the natural instinct of an aggressive batsmen is to attack the ball and get runs every ball. First he should play a couple of more list a and first class game and then debut in odis at the age of 22-24. He wont be looking to hit a six every ball in odis.
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Having Umar play will say he has much higher ceiling than Haider.If only could sorted out his temperamental issues things could gone very different.
 
Seeing the younger Indian players and younger Pakistan players in action, Indian youngsters have better game awareness even if they lack in experience.
 
Gill is far ahead. He will go down as a magnificent test player.
 
Hasan123 said:
Seeing the younger Indian players and younger Pakistan players in action, Indian youngsters have better game awareness even if they lack in experience.
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Domestic structure where winning games is given preference over individual performances
 
unfair on haider ali , haider ali will come good and be a great batsman but gill is an immens talent he was born just a few km from pak border why couldnt he born on our side of the border loool he would be playing every game nonstop for 25 years if he was from pakistan
 
Rajdeep said:
What did Gill do for it to be an insult? Are you watching him bat in IPL?

Gill is massively over rated and I am not at all sold on him.
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I personally feel Gill is not proper fit for T20 cricket.
But he'll do good in ODI and tests. He won't be another Kohli in ODIs but can be a good accumulator like Babar. ( I know Babar is good, no comparison between him and Gill).
 
Why Pakistanis are insulting Future Superstar ( Gill ) of cricket by comparing him to a hack and 3rd grade slogger.
 
I love Shubman Gill..

I love Haider Ali as well... a lot and a lot.

oh misbah.. bande daaa puttar ban ja yaar..
do not waste haider..
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
I love Shubman Gill..

I love Haider Ali as well... a lot and a lot.

oh misbah.. bande daaa puttar ban ja yaar..
do not waste haider..
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Misbah/Waseem destroying career:

Gill 30 First Class games and 60 List A games.
Haider Ali 8 FC and 13 List A

Both are openers.
Gill opening for India test side.
Haider playing slogger no 6 in T20s

Pathetic vision by Pak Management. No pathways, no development mindset.
 
Gill seems out of place in T20 cricket. For India's sake, I hope these failures don't mess with his mind.
 
I don't see any major technical deficiency with Gill. So, his lack of form is not something that should worry us. He is just going through the usual curve of a cricketer during the initial days of their career.

Gill's legacy will be decided on how he takes his game forward after Kohli leaves the show.
 
Can anyone tell me what is the natural batting position of Haider Ali? He looks out of place batting at no. 5. You need experience and match awareness to bat at no. 5. Players like Inzi, Yuvi, Stokes bat at such crunch position.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
Can anyone tell me what is the natural batting position of Haider Ali? He looks out of place batting at no. 5. You need experience and match awareness to bat at no. 5. Players like Inzi, Yuvi, Stokes bat at such crunch position.
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Opener
 
Ab Fan said:
I don't see any major technical deficiency with Gill. So, his lack of form is not something that should worry us. He is just going through the usual curve of a cricketer during the initial days of their career.

Gill's legacy will be decided on how he takes his game forward after Kohli leaves the show.
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Gill doesn't move his feet a great deal while cover driving, it's mostly his hands which tbh is very good. His feet movement is not as bad as Shaw but I think he can move his feet a bit more. He also tends to stay slightly legside of the ball while playing his shots. Babar is someone who has somewhat similar issues in my opinion. He also doesn't move his feet a great deal while cover driving and uses his incredible hands to drive the ball through the covers. Gill and Babar's cover drives are actually very similar in technique.

Gill has an unusually great back foot game for an asian youngster which is why he bossed it in Australia. But I think he might struggle a bit during the tour of England and would probably need to work on his technique a bit like Kohli did. I hope I'm wrong though. It's obviously not a major technical flaw but Anderson is so good that he would exploit even minor chinks in techniques.
 
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The gulf between Gill and Haider is too much to even merit a comparison. One is a fully formed player with barely any technical deficiencies who was pulling and cutting Australia's fearsome pace-attack all over the park not too long ago, while the other can't seem to last 20 balls in a T20I.
 
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Unfair to compare.
Being indian don't know much about HA, let him first find his way into intl cricket first.
Yes, the start has been good for SG. His game is suited to bouncy Aus and Saffer pitches, no doubts on that.
Does not seem to have much of a forward defensive. But then, neither did guys like Zaheer Abbas, Mohd Azhar or KP etc.
I am still not sold on how he handles spin on spinning conditions, although he was excellent against lyon and marnus.
I hope he handles guys like Anderson, woakes, broad on swinging seaming Eng conditions well and is not found out. On another front, the Eng guys would be hurting after the indian tour and will be all juiced up wanting to take on the Indian top order. And we have hitman as the other opener, another massive tukkebaaz jo chala to chala nahi to gaya.
We need a quality opener - as a backup preferably LH and young, Devdutt padkkal - probably?
 
street cricketer said:
Gill doesn't move his feet a great deal while cover driving, it's mostly his hands which tbh is very good. His feet movement is not as bad as Shaw but I think he can move his feet a bit more. He also tends to stay slightly legside of the ball while playing his shots. Babar is someone who has somewhat similar issues in my opinion. He also doesn't move his feet a great deal while cover driving and uses his incredible hands to drive the ball through the covers. Gill and Babar's cover drives are actually very similar in technique.

Gill has an unusually great back foot game for an asian youngster which is why he bossed it in Australia. But I think he might struggle a bit during the tour of England and would probably need to work on his technique a bit like Kohli did. I hope I'm wrong though. It's obviously not a major technical flaw but Anderson is so good that he would exploit even minor chinks in techniques.
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I feel that he generally plays a bit late so he should be able to do well in swing friendly conditions of England on a longer run. However, the first tour to England is always a tough place for a subcontinental batsman.

Anderson is an extremely skillful bowler who can exploit even the minor chinks so it is not going to be easy for him especially as an opener. I would not be worried with these minor flaws that he has. He can take all his time because he has the talent to succeed across all conditions.
 
Gill continues to flounder in T20 cricket, it's probably wise to take him out of the firing line at the moment.
 
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