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Siddarth Kaul & Sandeep Sharma are the worst pacers I have seen playing a final

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Just watched the IPL final highlightes. My blood boiled when I saw these two pacers bowling and trying defend for SRH. I mean such mediocrity, honest to God I could not believe how ordinary these two were. They made Shane Watson look like a beast. Full tosses, ugly nuckle balls, half volleys, short balls, wrong lines. I mean I could not find one single decent ball. If this is what India is producing in terms of fast bowling battery, than good luck to them. Back of his mind Watson must be thinking, boy I face bowlers 10 times better than these in other tournaments and get paid a fraction there.
 
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S Kaul had a bad outing but throughout the past two IPLs he has been one of the best Indian pacers
 
To be really frank, IPL has 8 teams and not all 8 teams can have good Indian bowlers playing for them. Sandeep Sharma is not going to play for India and Kaul might get into some T20 teams. I am happy that Umesh Yadav, Bhuvneshwar Kumar both bowled well this IPL. Bumrah was good for MI as well. Young Shivam Mavi was good in the chances he got. Prasidh Krishna was good for KKR. Nagarkoti was not able to play for KKR due to injury. Mohammad Shami was a disappointment but again he is a good test bowler so I will back him to do well in England.
 
Since they are finalist teams, one would expect them to have the best players. To whichever team won the IPL, their fast bowling was good I think
 
gazza619 said:
Just watched the IPL final highlightes. My blood boiled when I saw these two pacers bowling and trying defend for SRH. I mean such mediocrity, honest to God I could not believe how ordinary these two were. They made Shane Watson look like a beast. Full tosses, ugly nuckle balls, half volleys, short balls, wrong lines. I mean I could not find one single decent ball. If this is what India is producing in terms of fast bowling battery, than good luck to them. Back of his mind Watson must be thinking, boy I face bowlers 10 times better than these in other tournaments and get paid a fraction there.
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Indian fast bowling is good enough to get Saffers under 200 for many times in the recent SA series.Koul and Sharma are medium pacers and will look ugly when they dont come off on pattas.
 
I remember certain Hassan Ali get tonked by a relatively unknown lower order batsman in the PSL final.
These things happen. Sid Kaul had been quite good this IPL and this was just his bad day.
 
TM Riddle said:
I remember certain Hassan Ali get tonked by a relatively unknown lower order batsman in the PSL final.
These things happen. Sid Kaul had been quite good this IPL and this was just his bad day.
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The batsman was Asif Ali.
 
TM Riddle said:
Yes a nobody.
Watson here at least has an established legacy.
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Asif Ali is no pushover. The man average 26 at 140+ SR batting at number 5/6 in a total of 80 T20s innings. He is in the same/better territory as Chris Lynn, Shahid Afridi, or Hardik Pandya.
 
Asch Ali said:
Asif Ali is no pushover. The man average 26 at 140+ SR batting at number 5/6 in a total of 80 T20s innings. He is in the same/better territory as Chris Lynn, Shahid Afridi, or Hardik Pandya.
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Yeah sure. Except that nobdoy had heard of his name before.
Even now 99 percent cricket fans wouldn't know about him unless he regularly starts playing cricket for pakistan.
 
TM Riddle said:
Yeah sure. Except that nobdoy had heard of his name before.
Even now 99 percent cricket fans wouldn't know about him unless he regularly starts playing cricket for pakistan.
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The real cricket fans would know his name. He does play for Pakistan actually, albeit only for T20s. You’d be suprised that many Pakistani “fans” don’t even know Hasan Ali is.
 
Why even worry about opening such threads when its such a mediocrity!
 
Asch Ali said:
The real cricket fans would know his name. He does play for Pakistan actually, albeit only for T20s. You’d be suprised that many Pakistani “fans” don’t even know Hasan Ali is.
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Real cricket fans and T20 in one sentence chuckled me up.
You carry on son.
 
TM Riddle said:
Real cricket fans and T20 in one sentence chuckled me up.
You carry on son.
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T20 is not cricket? Okay mate. I thought this was a T20 thread.

Siddharath Kaul and Sandeep Sharma if I am correct are the finest young fast bowlers of India?
 
These 2 reminded me performance of Awana and Balaji in Ipl 2014 final.Tbf Pitch played a major role for all 4 of them in finals.Wankhede and Bangalore(2014) are easily the flattest pitch in India.

If we compare,Both Kaul and Sandeep bowled better than duo of Awana and Balaji.Formers were unlucky because they had to bowl to in form Watson on a flat Pitch.
 
So what is expected then? Instead of IPL (which is supposed to be club cricket no matter how much money is put into it and how much quality you improve) you should rather have world cup then to actually see 11 best players playing every team & every match (even that is not assured if there are some associate teams and some top teams which are reduced to below-associate level :)) ) I think if you want that kind of intense quality then you should have strictly 3 to 4 teams formed between top-top players from India, Australia, South Africa, West-Indies, England & NZ.

As if such things don't happen in international games at all? I have seen Brett Lee go for 100 runs against India in Australia when Australia had a top team of all times!

One thing you are not observing is that the quality of IPL (in terms of players) is definitely improving every year. You need to give some time. In the early years Sunil Joshi, Jaffer, kind of players were playing it. Later on even players like Ganguly, Dravid, Gambhir got rid of it! Already players like Maxwell, QdK, etc, are feeling the heat of the competition with local players outplaying them!

Indian families are now seriously supporting cricket aspiration of their children for the kind of security/benefit it is giving. If not player, there are other associate jobs in offer (coaching, management, physio, etc) You are conveniently not seeing that Indians have definitely improved in pace-bowling department. At least now we have 3 to 4 definitely quality bowlers which was a difficult back then. Of course now Indians are also eating lot of protein food (meat, wheat, soya, etc) Actually India was a millet country before, they were not interested in games, competitions, etc. They just needed that endurance of walking for 20kms a day under sun...(Only small section of Kings & their armies were indulged in wars).

Coming back to the match you are talking, if Watson got out for that Bhuvi spell before, then the match would have been definitely interesting... These things also happen in International Cricket
 
Somewhat agree. Siddharth Kaul seems to be an ordinary bowler who hit a purple patch during the season. But can’t blame SRH for selecting him as his bowling had been very effective. Sandeep Sharma is actually a good bowler and was similar to Bhuvneshwar Kumar. He’s still effective during the initial stages of the match but seems to have lost pace and control.
 
Mr.Q said:
Somewhat agree. Siddharth Kaul seems to be an ordinary bowler who hit a purple patch during the season. But can’t blame SRH for selecting him as his bowling had been very effective. Sandeep Sharma is actually a good bowler and was similar to Bhuvneshwar Kumar. He’s still effective during the initial stages of the match but seems to have lost pace and control.
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They forgot that the same team was rated very high as a bowling unit, and they did so well for the first part of the tournament. Did better against even better players (Kohli, Rohit, etc)
 
Kohli said:
The Trundlers. Not fit for internationals, but still got selected.
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The so-called superiors Dale Steyn, Mitch Starc, etc, are burned out. You have to still run the show. In future we can have Robots & Ball Machines for better prospects!
 
RamLakhan said:
The so-called superiors Dale Steyn, Mitch Starc, etc, are burned out. You have to still run the show. In future we can have Robots & Ball Machines for better prospects!
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And those machines would bowl better than the Trundler brigade (no time to mention tens of trundlers we have been producing off late)
 
I see potential in Sandeep sharma if he increases his pace somehow.
 
Madplayer said:
I see potential in Sandeep sharma if he increases his pace somehow.
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Soon he should spend 90% of his payment on Multi-grain Atta (rich in Soya), Beef, Omega Fish and also construct additional floors on his home for a big gym. How about steel transplant to his throwing arm?
 
gazza619 said:
Back of his mind Watson must be thinking, boy I face bowlers 10 times better than these in other tournaments and get paid a fraction there.
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Well Watson understood a thing or two about playing in IPL during his tenure with RCB! Glad he had the mental toughness to wait for his best day (he should thank CSK). This is what happens when you just observe the surface of a substance without digging deep into it!
 
gazza619 said:
The problem is that they were representing an IPL finalist team. You would think they would be above average.
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So you should also term 1999 & 2003 WC runner-up teams as worst ever for the way opposition batted against them! (I know you will conveniently agree to the 2003 case, while look for excuses in the other case!) What you should understand is there is something called "psychology" and "pressure" which also plays a vital role apart from skills, strength & raw-power in any game!

FYI - 2003 was one of the instance where Indian bowlers were probably at one of the best top pace consistently (Srinath/Nehra/Zaheer) sorry you can't get better than that as you know its a trundlers' land! If "pace" was everything, then Misbah would have got that ball over the fielder at fine leg! You would have understood even better if Dhoni was captaining against Watson that day!
 
RR's Sandeep Sharma! Safe to say, an IPL Hero! Brilliant fifer tonight

He took 5 wickets off 18 runs in 4 overs with 13 dot balls against MI in IPL 2024
 
FearlessRoar said:
RR's Sandeep Sharma! Safe to say, an IPL Hero! Brilliant fifer tonight

He took 5 wickets off 18 runs in 4 overs with 13 dot balls against MI in IPL 2024
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SS is impressive only when the ball swings. If it does not, he can easily get destroyed. He is a bit of lottery and totally condition driven.
 
Wasim Akram praised Indian seamer Sandeep Sharma for his impressive ability to swing the ball, calling him a 'fantastic bowler' in a sports platform interview:

"He bowls brilliantly at the death, has a fine yorker and slower ball, and also swings the new ball. I saw him for the first time at the 2012 U19 World Cup where he swung the ball like a boomerang. He is an underrated cricketer."

"I have spoken previously too about why someone who bowls in the final three overs needs to be a specialist. There are very few bowlers in the world who are in that skill set and Sandeep is one of them."
 
He came to know in the under-19 world cup with his banana inswingers. Famous dismissal of his was bowling Babar Azam neck and crop with an inswinger. He also got him out leg before once.
 
Sandeep Sharma was okish for me but siddarth kaul is a total failure playing at this level.
 
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