So where is TLP now?

[Runner Up]

I can't believe this was the same Jamaat which shut down Pakistan a few days ago. As soon as the main leader is arrested all of his allies have disappeared.

Well done govt.

 

[the Great Khan]

NS used the TLP during his tenure. They were hoping to ignite some kind of move against the army by the TLP. Another reason NS should be tried for treason.

 

[Madplayer]

Imran has adopted the exact strategy which i mentioned when this group had shut Pakistan down. I had written :

There needs to be a diplomatic approach to this to begin with and following that, a machiavellian approach.

1) Arrange meetings with the top leaders of these mullah organisations and convince them to put an end to it. Bribe them or do whatever you want but make them stop the hooliganism on streets.

2) Make a hit list of such organisations and the powerful people in them.

3) over the next few months or years, eliminate the people in the list one at a time by arresting them on one pretext or the other. Once you have removed the leadership, bring all these organisations under the fold of state making them agents of the state itself.

4) Invest in education heavily so that people turn away from these organisations and send their kids to government schools.

And some PPers responded to my suggestions like this :

No offence but I think you are far too naive. These people are extremists and hate-mongers, they do not believe in reason or rational thought, only in manipulating religion to in-turn manipulate their followers and appease their self-interests. Making any sort of "deal" with them is giving them an upper-hand to continue this hate-mongering and hooliganism in the future.

You think previous govt. didn't ask them to stop this stuff when they made a deal with them? Their hate-mongering has already seen the removal of a Law Minister and an Economic Advisor, unless some kind of strong message isn't sent these things will only continue.

Now, The point i was trying to make is that if you try to quell this kind of menace on the street using force, you end up giving birth to martyrs. Especially when you use force immediately after a controversial event (Asia bibi's acquittal) which has the potential of inflaming passions among the general populace. Musharraf paid the price for something similar.

Also, i had even mentioned something else in my 3rd point. Its about bringing these organisations under the fold of government and use them for social work (stuff like arranging vaccination camps etc). Create a database of these organisations and everybody working in them so that you can track them and there is accountability for actions.

Finally, invest in education as a long term measure.

 

[Red Devil]

This is what happens when you get carried away and mess with the army.

 

[Sirris]

Guys lets be cautious and not celebrate prematurely. This could vrry well be the quiet before the storm.

 

[DRsohail]

Imran has adopted the exact strategy which i mentioned when this group had shut Pakistan down. I had written :



And some PPers responded to my suggestions like this :



Now, The point i was trying to make is that if you try to quell this kind of menace on the street using force, you end up giving birth to martyrs. Especially when you use force immediately after a controversial event (Asia bibi's acquittal) which has the potential of inflaming passions among the general populace. Musharraf paid the price for something similar.

Also, i had even mentioned something else in my 3rd point. Its about bringing these organisations under the fold of government and use them for social work (stuff like arranging vaccination camps etc). Create a database of these organisations and everybody working in them so that you can track them and there is accountability for actions.

Finally, invest in education as a long term measure.

Yourvpost was exactly been in my mind when they arrested him,, can’t agree more ,

 

[gazza619]

TLP never really had any future.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

TLP never really had any future.

They over played their hand.

At the end of the day, they are a tiny minority party pretending to be a large mass movement. There are certain topics on which they can do that... but Asia Bibi issue was not one of those. They forgot the principle of forgiveness. .... they should have just accepted her apology and moved on from the case and spared her years of wrongful incarceration.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

They over played their hand.

At the end of the day, they are a tiny minority party pretending to be a large mass movement. There are certain topics on which they can do that... but Asia Bibi issue was not one of those. They forgot the principle of forgiveness. .... they should have just accepted her apology and moved on from the case and spared her years of wrongful incarceration.

This!!

There are elements in ruling fabric of Pakistan that literally weigh the usefulness and the expendability of such groups and one their purpose has been served they boxed away either permenantly (rarely happens) or until further notice.

That's the bitter truth.

 

[Pakpak]

Charged with treason and terrorism today. Excellent news.

 

[Madplayer]

Yourvpost was exactly been in my mind when they arrested him,, can’t agree more ,

Thanks. This is a big achievement for Pakistan. Now leaders of such organisations would get a message.

"Riasat se naa Takrana"
~ Imran Khan; 2018.

 

[Zeeraq]

ATC rejects TLP chief Khadim Rizvi's request for bail

An anti-terrorism court in Lahore on Monday rejected Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) chief Khadim Hussain Rizvi's request for bail in a case lodged against him for launching a violent protest against the acquittal of Aasia Bibi.

Tehreek-i-Labbaik Ya Rasool Allah (TLYRA) chief Pir Afzal Qadri's request for bail was also rejected by the ATC.

Civil Lines police had registered a FIR under sections 290/291/353/427/186/188 of Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) and section 6 of the Sound System Punjab Ordinance 2015 against Rizvi and other leaders of the TLP for protests after Aasia Bibi was acquitted by the Supreme Court in October last year. Section 7 of Anti-Terrorism Act 1997 was later added to the FIR.

Rizvi was presented before the judge in ATC-IV amid tight security. His lawyer argued in court that a suitable environment be provided for the betterment of his client's health.

Rizvi's counsel had stated in the bail petition that the provision of the ATA was falsely included in the case. The lawyer had argued in the petition that the FIR was altered and fabricated and claimed that the petitioner and others accused had not committed any offences against the state, but had been politically victimised.

He had argued that the investigation had been completed by police and keeping Rizvi behind bars would serve no purpose.

The counsel had also stated that Rizvi had been imprisoned since his Nov 23 arrest and it was causing him health issues due to his disability. He requested the court to grant Rizvi bail.

After hearing arguments from both sides, the court rejected the request for bail.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1464589/atc-rejects-tlp-chief-khadim-rizvis-request-for-bail

 

[Bewal Express]

Where are [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION],

 

[Major]

How will they prove Treason in court?
Its really difficult to prove treason.

The charges laid against him makes no sense.

This guy will easily get away after a while, because those charges cant be proved.

Would had made ore sense bringing charges against him that are provable in court

 

[Syed1]

"Riasat se math takrana" in full effect



And to think people like Mamoon were celebrating that these mullahs were doing jalao ghirao because it showed IK's government in bad light.

 

[Syed1]

How will they prove Treason in court?
Its really difficult to prove treason.

The charges laid against him makes no sense.

This guy will easily get away after a while, because those charges cant be proved.

Would had made ore sense bringing charges against him that are provable in court

There is video clips of him saying kill COAS, CJ and PM. If that isn't treason idk what is.

 

[Major]

There is video clips of him saying kill COAS, CJ and PM. If that isn't treason idk what is.

bro, charging someone with treason isn't that easy as everyone here think it is.

There are many loopholes in that charge.

are there any lawyers on Pakpassion that could shed some light on this?

 

[Bewal Express]

How will they prove Treason in court?
Its really difficult to prove treason.

The charges laid against him makes no sense.

This guy will easily get away after a while, because those charges cant be proved.

Would had made ore sense bringing charges against him that are provable in court

I think whatever happens, his arrse has been spanked and he knows the boundaries. Remember when you and others were going after IK, well how about some praise and how he has been dealt with, without giving him any myrters. This is one of IK's biggest successes.

 

[Major]

I think whatever happens, his arrse has been spanked and he knows the boundaries. Remember when you and others were going after IK, well how about some praise and how he has been dealt with, without giving him any myrters. This is one of IK's biggest successes.

what praise are you talking about?

this is same as when Abdul Aziz tried to ran away wearing a Niqab and got arrested and was jailed. ANd then after a while Zardari released him

Its not about placing a person in jail for 3-4 months and then releasing them, its about dealing with the problem with the proper laws that exist in a country.

You lot easily get happy when someone does a little dramaybaazi of doing some work, only to find out later that that work served no purpose.


Thing is, this guy has started a cult and his cult has been successful. Im surprised by some posts on this thread, but this guy has had success. Druing the elections, his prty has came 3rd position in many constituencies, and thats a big achivement considering that this is a very recently created cult.

The Govt had a chance of putting him away for a long time, but it looks like he will get away with it if we look at the charges laid against him.

Probably could be used as a spade by the establishment in long run

 

[Bewal Express]

what praise are you talking about?

this is same as when Abdul Aziz tried to ran away wearing a Niqab and got arrested and was jailed. ANd then after a while Zardari released him

Its not about placing a person in jail for 3-4 months and then releasing them, its about dealing with the problem with the proper laws that exist in a country.

You lot easily get happy when someone does a little dramaybaazi of doing some work, only to find out later that that work served no purpose.


Thing is, this guy has started a cult and his cult has been successful. Im surprised by some posts on this thread, but this guy has had success. Druing the elections, his prty has came 3rd position in many constituencies, and thats a big achivement considering that this is a very recently created cult.

The Govt had a chance of putting him away for a long time, but it looks like he will get away with it if we look at the charges laid against him.

Probably could be used as a spade by the establishment in long run

The electoral battle is a long term battle and that can only be won through education,, I am talking about the restoration of the writ of the state.

 

[Abdullah719]

TLP patron-in-chief Pir Afzal Qadri quits party citing health issues

Firebrand Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) patron-in-chief Pir Afzal Qadri, who is currently on judicial remand pending multiple cases against him, has announced his retirement from the movement and issued an apology for incendiary remarks made by him during a protest against the Supreme Court's acquittal of Asia Bibi.

Qadri was booked under sedition and terrorism charges in Gujrat and taken into "protective custody" by the state during a crackdown in November after the TLP announced it would observe martyrs’ day on Nov 25, 2018.

Currently, the Lahore High Court is hearing a bail plea filed by Qadri and TLP chief Khadim Hussain Rizvi since their earlier applications were rejected by an anti-terrorism court. In the last hearing of the case, the court had asked police to submit a record of proof that led to the arrests of Rizvi and Qadri.

Pir Afzal Qadri read out a statement announcing his retirement in a video shared with DawnNewsTV on Tuesday night. An accompanying press release stated that the TLP patron-in-chief is sorry for "hurting the sentiments of the government, the judiciary and the chief of army staff".

"I am a patient of heart disease, paralysis, kidney disease, high blood sugar, and high blood pressure etc, and when the verdict of the Asia Masih case was pronounced, my religious sentiments got hurt and I delivered a speech. I am very sorry for hurting the sentiments of the government, the judiciary and the chief of army staff," he said.

Qadri also distanced the TLP from an incident at a university in Bahawalpur earlier this year, in which a teacher was killed by a student allegedly associated with a senior TLP leader.

He directed party leaders and workers to propagate their viewpoints in a manner consistent with the teachings of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah, and also in line with the law and the Constitution of Pakistan.

"No one will be allowed to resort to arson, vandalism and destroying public and private properties," he said, adding: "Terrorism, killings, discord and armed sectarian actions will be discouraged."

"All the institutions, the law, the Constitution of Pakistan will be honoured," he vowed, adding that that the party workers would stand by the Pakistan Army to defend the country.

The TLP leader called on party workers to "behave well, remain peaceful, and refrain from engaging in any activity against the integrity of the state".

He said that he had decided last year to retire from the movement and had informed his friends, but had announced the decision now as his health had further deteriorated.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1479593/t...-afzal-qadri-quits-party-citing-health-issues

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[Rinnegan Sasuke]

TLP patron-in-chief Pir Afzal Qadri quits party citing health issues

Firebrand Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) patron-in-chief Pir Afzal Qadri, who is currently on judicial remand pending multiple cases against him, has announced his retirement from the movement and issued an apology for incendiary remarks made by him during a protest against the Supreme Court's acquittal of Asia Bibi.

Qadri was booked under sedition and terrorism charges in Gujrat and taken into "protective custody" by the state during a crackdown in November after the TLP announced it would observe martyrs’ day on Nov 25, 2018.

Currently, the Lahore High Court is hearing a bail plea filed by Qadri and TLP chief Khadim Hussain Rizvi since their earlier applications were rejected by an anti-terrorism court. In the last hearing of the case, the court had asked police to submit a record of proof that led to the arrests of Rizvi and Qadri.

Pir Afzal Qadri read out a statement announcing his retirement in a video shared with DawnNewsTV on Tuesday night. An accompanying press release stated that the TLP patron-in-chief is sorry for "hurting the sentiments of the government, the judiciary and the chief of army staff".

"I am a patient of heart disease, paralysis, kidney disease, high blood sugar, and high blood pressure etc, and when the verdict of the Asia Masih case was pronounced, my religious sentiments got hurt and I delivered a speech. I am very sorry for hurting the sentiments of the government, the judiciary and the chief of army staff," he said.

Qadri also distanced the TLP from an incident at a university in Bahawalpur earlier this year, in which a teacher was killed by a student allegedly associated with a senior TLP leader.

He directed party leaders and workers to propagate their viewpoints in a manner consistent with the teachings of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah, and also in line with the law and the Constitution of Pakistan.

"No one will be allowed to resort to arson, vandalism and destroying public and private properties," he said, adding: "Terrorism, killings, discord and armed sectarian actions will be discouraged."

"All the institutions, the law, the Constitution of Pakistan will be honoured," he vowed, adding that that the party workers would stand by the Pakistan Army to defend the country.

The TLP leader called on party workers to "behave well, remain peaceful, and refrain from engaging in any activity against the integrity of the state".

He said that he had decided last year to retire from the movement and had informed his friends, but had announced the decision now as his health had further deteriorated.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1479593/t...-afzal-qadri-quits-party-citing-health-issues

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I hope he isn't released for another decade, make him go through what Asia went through whose head he was after!

 

[Mian]

TLP with support of millions of followers gone missing when they challenged state to yeh PTM kia cheaz he

 

[Lonewarrior]

TLP with support of millions of followers gone missing when they challenged state to yeh PTM kia cheaz he

they (PTM) wont see it coming..

 

[Loralai]

Probably could be used as a spade by the establishment in long run

No doubt about it. Will be very useful tool for establishment if IK tries to assert himself in areas of foreign policy.

 

[King-Misbah]

they (PTM) wont see it coming..

Need to flush them into Afghanistan.

 

[Loralai]

Need to flush them into Afghanistan.

No use. They were set up and promoted to undermine PML N votebank. They've served their purpose for now and can move into the shadows for now.

 

[King-Misbah]

No use. They were set up and promoted to undermine PML N votebank. They've served their purpose for now and can move into the shadows for now.

I was talking about PTM. Surely, you realised.

 

[Bewal Express]

what praise are you talking about?

this is same as when Abdul Aziz tried to ran away wearing a Niqab and got arrested and was jailed. ANd then after a while Zardari released him

Its not about placing a person in jail for 3-4 months and then releasing them, its about dealing with the problem with the proper laws that exist in a country.

You lot easily get happy when someone does a little dramaybaazi of doing some work, only to find out later that that work served no purpose.


Thing is, this guy has started a cult and his cult has been successful. Im surprised by some posts on this thread, but this guy has had success. Druing the elections, his prty has came 3rd position in many constituencies, and thats a big achivement considering that this is a very recently created cult.

The Govt had a chance of putting him away for a long time, but it looks like he will get away with it if we look at the charges laid against him.

Probably could be used as a spade by the establishment in long run

Spade of the establishment [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] Sahib. They certainly were but you have gone awfully quiet these days. Is it halal now?

 

[Stewie]

Major is Bilawal Zerdari, I am starting to believe that.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I can't believe this was the same Jamaat which shut down Pakistan a few days ago. As soon as the main leader is arrested all of his allies have disappeared.

Well done govt.

Looks like history is repeating itself again.

Soon as PTI is taken out of power, TLP has gone off the grid too. Awesome!

 

[Bewal Express]

Major is Bilawal Zerdari, I am starting to believe that.

Look at [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] running as I expose his hypocrisy on everything he ever posted on. There isn't a single subject he posted on that he hasn't totally and humiliatingly backtracked on. He runs with his tail between his legs as soon as i post.