Some famous Punjabi Muslims in India

[enkidu_]

At the Partition, there has of been been an exchange of population : Amritsar, which was nearly half Muslim, was emptied of its Islamic elements, and the same for Lahore in the other way, which was nearly half Hindu/Sikhs.

Nowadays in Indian and Pak Punjab the respective minorities are at around 1-2%, but in Indian Punjab there's still at least one Muslim-majority city though, Malerkotla, with nearly 70% of its 130 000 pop being Muslims.

Here are some famous post-Partition Punjabi Muslims :

Bade Ghulam Ali Khan, a foremost Hindustani classical singer

Mohammed Rafi, famous playback singer, with +7000 songs in many languages to his credit

Mohammed Zahur "Khayyam", prolific music director in Bollywood

Sahir Ludhianvi, one of the most prominent lyricists during Bollywood's 'Golden Age'

Muhammad Siddiq, famous Punjabi language singer, also a Congress party MLA

The following are all from Malerkotla city of Punjab and its 60 000/70 000 Muslim population


Saeed Jaffrey, prolific actor who's work spanned many cinematic industries/languages

Irshad Kamil, one of the most prominent lyricists in contemporary Bollywood

Anas Rashid, TV actor, here as Prithviraj Chauhan

Mohammad Nazim, model/TV actor

Ather Habib, TV actor

Mohammad Saukat, football player (actually from this city have come across 2-3 other Punjabi Muslim footballers, but this one seems to be the best known, as he played in of the two premier football leagues of the country)

 

[Musakhel]

A lot of them have pashtun lineage, although diluted.

 

[TM Riddle]

The guy who played Prithviraj Chauhan looks royal.

 

[introvert]

Saeed jaffery is no more.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Saeed jaffery is no more.

I don't know if he lived in Britain, but he appeared on tv here a lot. Never liked him much, he always looked slightly mad.

 

[Pakistanian]

It's kinda funny Indians always say that Pakistani Punjabis prefer Urdu over Punjabi but among that list of Punjabi Muslims there are like two legendary Urdu singers.

 

[JaDed]

I don't know if he lived in Britain, but he appeared on tv here a lot. Never liked him much, he always looked slightly mad.

He had always similar style of acting, his daughter is a better actress, Shatranj Ke khiladi is probably the best film of him thanks to Ray's direction.

 

[JaDed]

It's kinda funny Indians always say that Pakistani Punjabis prefer Urdu over Punjabi but among that list of Punjabi Muslims there are like two legendary Urdu singers.

Who are they?

 

[enkidu_]

The guy who played Prithviraj Chauhan looks royal.

looks a bit too feminine despite being an ancient Pakistani.

 

[TM Riddle]

looks a bit too feminine despite being an ancient Pakistani.

I thought that was prerequisite?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Kuldeep manak

 

[enkidu_]

Kuldeep manak

Wasn't he a murtad (convert to Sikhism) ?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Wasn't he a murtad (convert to Sikhism) ?

Don't think so. I remember him being buried when he died.

 

[Stewie]

Don't think so. I remember him being buried when he died.

Sikhs Bury their dead as well.

 

[TM Riddle]

Sikhs Bury their dead as well.

No they cremate them.

 

[JaDed]

Sikhs Bury their dead as well.

Lol what?Who told you this?

 

[TM Riddle]

Lol what?Who told you this?

Surprisingly Bishnois bury their dead.
Dunno if you have heard of them.
Quite a few in Rajasthan.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Sikhs Bury their dead as well.

Been to Sikh Funerals. They also cremate their dead like Hindus.

 

[tanvy]

The guy who played Prithviraj Chauhan looks royal.

No linkage to any royal family etc. Belongs to a lohar cast if it matters...

 

[TM Riddle]

No linkage to any royal family etc. Belongs to a lohar cast if it matters...

I know about that. A handsome fella that's all I meant.

 

[tanvy]

I know about that. A handsome fella that's all I meant.

Sure, make-up plays its part.

 

[Stewie]

Maybe my statement was interpreted incorrectly.. what I meant to say was, there is no hard and fast rule in Sikhism and sometimes they bury their dead too ... cremation is mostly preferred though.

 

[TM Riddle]

Maybe my statement was interpreted incorrectly.. what I meant to say was, there is no hard and fast rule in Sikhism and sometimes they bury their dead too ... cremation is mostly preferred though.

They cremate in 99.99 percent cases. Don't believe in everything you find written on Wikipedia.

In fact it's in Hinduism where there is no such hard and fast rule. Many sects such as Bishnois and Lingayats prefer to bury their dead.

 

[Slog]

Been to Sikh Funerals. They also cremate their dead like Hindus.

What happens in the funeral?

They cremate in front of you?

 

[JaDed]

What happens in the funeral?

They cremate in front of you?

How else do you think they cremate?

 

[JaDed]

They cremate in 99.99 percent cases. Don't believe in everything you find written on Wikipedia.

In fact it's in Hinduism where there is no such hard and fast rule. Many sects such as Bishnois and Lingayats prefer to bury their dead.

My wife's family burries as well,both her parents were burried next to each other.
Tbf mentally I cannot think as to why would they do it when they are Hindus but as you said there is necessarily no rules which says cremation happens.

 

[TM Riddle]

My wife's family burries as well,both her parents were burried next to each other.
Tbf mentally I cannot think as to why would they do it when they are Hindus but as you said there is necessarily no rules which says cremation happens.

Any particular sect affiliations?
One of my older relatives was buried as well. Was associated with some satsang community or something like that.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

What happens in the funeral?

They cremate in front of you?

It's all done at a crematorium in UK. Only the family see the body go into the furnace.

 

[Slog]

How else do you think they cremate?

No I mean do they cremate beforehand or is a live event during the funeral ceremony?

 

[TM Riddle]

No I mean do they cremate beforehand or is a live event during the funeral ceremony?

You can't be serious?

 

[Slog]

You can't be serious?

Why? What's wrong? Apologies if it's offensive

In Islam (and I believe Christianity as well) the actual burial takes place in front of you at the funeral post the prayer. So curious how it works

 

[JaDed]

Any particular sect affiliations?
One of my older relatives was buried as well. Was associated with some satsang community or something like that.

On googling found that its an ancient Dravidian thing where many used to do it, and they started it again after Dravidian movements started, where they burried without any religious ceremony.

I guess they take.middle.path now, religious ceremony with burrial.

 

[JaDed]

No I mean do they cremate beforehand or is a live event during the funeral ceremony?

If it's not in a furnace ,then Yes, In my family the son does it.

 

[troodon]

A lot of them have pashtun lineage, although diluted.

They all look like any of the typical Hindu/Sikh Punjabis or Haryanvis or Himachalis.

 

[troodon]

looks a bit too feminine despite being an ancient Pakistani.

You can find people like these in Delhi, Punjab, Haryana among all castes. You can find people like these in other states too.

Just because the above people are Muslim does not make them ancient Pakistanis

 

[Musakhel]

They all look like any of the typical Hindu/Sikh Punjabis or Haryanvis or Himachalis.

It's diluted Ancestry like I said otherwise you would see loads of people that look like afridi in UP and Bihar who have pashtun ancestry but you don't because they are mixed.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It's diluted Ancestry like I said otherwise you would see loads of people that look like afridi in UP and Bihar who have pashtun ancestry but you don't because they are mixed.

It is true. Some of the muslims I have seen in India seem to have royal blood. I met a guy named Shadab Zafar the other day, he looked like those mughal princes in those paintings where the prince is holding a rose and nubile nymphets with disproportionate eyes are besotted with him and vying for his attention. So I asked where are you from, he said from Patna, Bihar. Looked very handsome. Although didn't have a pleasant breath, maybe because of fasting.

 

[Pakistanian]

They all look like any of the typical Hindu/Sikh Punjabis or Haryanvis or Himachalis.

Obama is half white but he and his kids look black, genetics 101.

 

[Napa]

It's kinda funny Indians always say that Pakistani Punjabis prefer Urdu over Punjabi

Indians actually say "huh?"

Most Indians I know do not even know that there is a Punjab province in Pakistan, they think Pakistan is just Pakistan.

 

[enkidu_]

You can find people like these in Delhi, Punjab, Haryana among all castes. You can find people like these in other states too.

Just because the above people are Muslim does not make them ancient Pakistanis

You can find such features only among Punjabi-Khatris in New Delhi (the Kohli's, Dhawan's, Kapoor's, etc), who basically all have ancestral roots in today's Pak Punjab, the non Punjabi-Khatris of Delhi look like other UPites. It's not about skin-tone but facial features. Among Haryanvis only Jatts have this look.

"Ancient Pakistani" was a reference to them being Punjabi Muslims, like some 60% of Pakistanis.

 

[TM Riddle]

You can find such features only among Punjabi-Khatris in New Delhi (the Kohli's, Dhawan's, Kapoor's, etc), who basically all have ancestral roots in today's Pak Punjab, the non Punjabi-Khatris of Delhi look like other UPites. It's not about skin-tone but facial features. Among Haryanvis only Jatts have this look.

"Ancient Pakistani" was a reference to them being Punjabi Muslims, like some 60% of Pakistanis.

You forgot about folks from Rajasthan. Although I would say they are much closer to Sindhis in that regard.

 

[enkidu_]

You forgot about folks from Rajasthan. Although I would say they are much closer to Sindhis in that regard.

Rajasthan too it's mainly caste based (Rajputs), but yeah even when they have sharp features their skintone is still a shade or two darker, so I guess the Sindhi comparison is better indeed.

Btw of course all Punjabis aren't light either, far from it (even among Khatris), but the "light Punjabi" looks IMO is very specific among Indic populations (a "light" Sindhi or Rajasthani stills looks different).

 

[Pakistanian]

Why are you guys talking about castes and facial features and stuff, this is so cringey.