'Straight White Male is the new RACISM'

[Cpt. Rishwat]

'Straight White Male is the new RACISM,' claim five men who were axed from top London ad agency in female director's bid to 'obliterate' Mad Men culture


A group of straight white men who were axed from their job at one of the country's top advertising agencies felt like they had a 'target on their backs'.

JWT London is facing a sexism and racism claim after five male employees were made redundant during a diversity drive.

They were fired shortly after raising concerns about comments made by their boss at a diversity conference.

Jo Wallace, a newly appointed creative director who introduced herself as a gay woman at the conference, said that she wanted to 'obliterate' the agency's Mad Men reputation of being mostly straight, white men.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...irector-tried-obliterate-Mad-Men-culture.html

Has the backlash begun or are we experiencing a sensible correction before it is too late?

 

[Pakistanian]

They're just crybabies

 

[CricketCartoons]

The very people who gave so much progress and civilization to the world have been made to feel apologetic for their identities.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

The very people who gave so much progress and civilization to the world have been made to feel apologetic for their identities.

Wow, how old are these straight white males, we are talking biblical years of age.

You mean like Clive of India. Wasn't India the richest country in the world by far before the straight white males arrived?

Yeah progress and civilisation guns, germs and steel, I think is the name if the book I need to read.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Wow, how old are these straight white males, we are talking biblical years of age.

You mean like Clive of India. Wasn't India the richest country in the world by far before the straight white males arrived?

Yeah progress and civilisation guns, germs and steel, I think is the name if the book I need to read.

So india became a poor country just because of the arrival of the while males? india or any other country would have lost to the europeans anyway because they had industrial and scientific revolution, that was the main reason they surpassed every other nation which was rich till then. it is not like india would have remained a rich country had they not arrived.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

So india became a poor country just because of the arrival of the while males? india or any other country would have lost to the europeans anyway because they had industrial and scientific revolution, that was the main reason they surpassed every other nation which was rich till then. it is not like india would have remained a rich country had they not arrived.

Well maybe not but it didn't help. Every empire has it's rise and fall. And yes they had guns, steel (industrial and scientific revolution) and soon as the straight white males figured out how to stop armies falling foul of dysentry, cholera, diarrhoea, they were onto a winner.

Yes I accept straight, white males are at the forefront, my pet hypothesis is that those humans who made it to northern colder climes had to use brain in order to survive winter, they needed to stock food etc. Like I said, pet hypothesis.

For better or worse, straight white males are in decline as a culture attacked from all sides and within.

 

[gani999]

Wow, how old are these straight white males, we are talking biblical years of age.

You mean like Clive of India. Wasn't India the richest country in the world by far before the straight white males arrived?

Yeah progress and civilisation guns, germs and steel, I think is the name if the book I need to read.

We were rich but were also stupid enough to let the whites take over and rule us.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The very people who gave so much progress and civilization to the world have been made to feel apologetic for their identities.

Nothing apologetic about these guys. They could have backed down for fear of being called out for playing the race card or being labelled with victim mentality, but why kudos to them for fighting back. Like Donald Trump they will know there is a groundswell of silent voters who will back the in the long run.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

We were rich but were also stupid enough to let the whites take over and rule us.

That's the worse kind of rich to be, stupid rich.

 

[Markhor]

For those who have enjoyed privilege, equality feels like oppression.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

For those who have enjoyed privilege, equality feels like oppression.

I like that line, yours or you read it somewhere else and recognised its value? I'm gonna use it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

For those who have enjoyed privilege, equality feels like oppression.

what a joke. Were they fired because the replacements were better? Read the article instead of coming up with photo op statements. They were fired because someone wanted to bring in more diversity. Diversity should be looked only (if at all) if there is equal talent. UK is going down the drain. Hopefully some of them will wake up and see what is going on in the name of liberalism.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

what a joke. Were they fired because the replacements were better? Read the article instead of coming up with photo op statements. They were fired because someone wanted to bring in more diversity. Diversity should be looked only (if at all) if there is equal talent. UK is going down the drain. Hopefully some of them will wake up and see what is going on in the name of liberalism.

UK is going down the drain no matter what, it's called decline.

 

[CricketCartoons]

UK is going down the drain no matter what, it's called decline.

Take up the White Man's burden —
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.

(fills my heart with sorrow now when i read these lines)

 

[Markhor]

what a joke. Were they fired because the replacements were better? Read the article instead of coming up with photo op statements. They were fired because someone wanted to bring in more diversity. Diversity should be looked only (if at all) if there is equal talent. UK is going down the drain. Hopefully some of them will wake up and see what is going on in the name of liberalism.

How do you know if there's equal talent if don't even interview the ethnic minority candidate ? There's been studies showing that if you have a white sounding name compared to an ethnic minority sounding name, you are twice as likely to receive a positive response.

https://fullfact.org/economy/job-ap...ng-names-are-less-likely-be-called-interview/

I'd take your crocodile tears about discrimination in my country more seriously if you actually spoke out against the FAR more common cases of discrimination such as:

- The disproportionate use of force against black men by police.
- The longer sentencing of blacks for the SAME cannabis related crimes compared to whites.
- The disproportionate and record numbers of black deaths in police custody that has become so aggregious even the UNITED NATIONS passed comment in April. EVERY prosecution over a death in custody in the past 15 years has ended in acquittal.

And don't get me started on the Windrush scandal, which I'm guessing you're not even aware of, that saw Caribbean folk who came to rebuild this country and our battered industries after the Second World War not only wrongly detained and deported but DENIED their legal rights thus lost their homes, jobs and families despite many having leave to remain.

THAT's why our country is failing our people, not because of some fevered right wing fantasy about liberal racism. Where were your comments in these topics ? Where was your outcry then ? There weren't any because you'd rather sensationalise a case like this to further your worn out liberal bashing routine on Time Pass.

 

[CricketCartoons]

How do you know if there's equal talent if don't even interview the ethnic minority candidate ? There's been studies showing that if you have a white sounding name compared to an ethnic minority sounding name, you are twice as likely to receive a positive response.

Ignoring the verbiage as it is not relevant to the topic. Read the OP first. These five men was fired because someone wanted to increase the diversity and change the reputation. This is racism, but funny all the liberals turn blind when there is racism against the whites.

 

[Markhor]

Ignoring the verbiage as it is not relevant to the topic. Read the OP first. These five men was fired because someone wanted to increase the diversity and change the reputation. This is racism, but funny all the liberals turn blind when there is racism against the whites.

If you bothered to look deeper into the topic instead of swallowing the Daily Mail narrative at face value, JWT London have been conducting multiple rounds of layoffs for the last 18 months including of senior managers and executives on large salaries who happen to predominately be white and male.

Why didn't the others raise a discrimination suit ? This wasn't the first time the company have spoken about diversifying its workplace. Instead these five overpaid snowflakes ran to HR complaining about their boss's speech at a diversity conference for merely suggesting the company needed to be more inclusive - what did they think she would say at such an event ?

I'm sorry but these rich overpaid executives aren't the 21st Century Mandelas. This isn't exactly the Soweto Massacre. Nobody else complained about the statement except these five.

Not surprised that you ran away from addressing the rest of my post because it shreds your flimsy and propesterous false equivalence of "liberal" racism against whites with the far more common cases of anti-black racism that's institutionalised within the police and the legal system that's actually KILLED people.

 

[CricketCartoons]

If you bothered to look deeper into the topic instead of swallowing the Daily Mail narrative at face value, JWT London have been conducting multiple rounds of layoffs for the last 18 months including of senior managers and executives on large salaries who happen to predominately be white and male.

Why didn't the others raise a discrimination suit ? This wasn't the first time the company have spoken about diversifying its workplace. Instead these five overpaid snowflakes ran to HR complaining about their boss's speech at a diversity conference for merely suggesting the company needed to be more inclusive - what did they think she would say at such an event ?

I'm sorry but these rich overpaid executives aren't the 21st Century Mandelas. This isn't exactly the Soweto Massacre. Nobody else complained about the statement except these five.

Not surprised that you ran away from addressing the rest of my post because it shreds your flimsy and propesterous false equivalence of "liberal" racism against whites with the far more common cases of anti-black racism that's institutionalised within the police and the legal system that's actually KILLED people.

Wow. no body else complained, so these five should not be heard. You keep exceeding yourself.

I see how conveniently you ignored this in the OP:

Jo Wallace, a newly appointed creative director who introduced herself as a gay woman at the conference, said that she wanted to 'obliterate' the agency's Mad Men reputation of being mostly straight, white men.

Textbook racism, but only those with anti white bias will try to defend it.

I can engage you with that study you posted, but that deserves another thread. You are more than welcome to create it and I will shred your points one by one. Promise.

 

[enkidu_]

The very people who gave so much progress and civilization to the world have been made to feel apologetic for their identities.

you're so right, also incidentally the very people who gave a cohesive and singular identity to Hindoos.

Tapan Raychaudhuri

We do not encounter in the pre-British past either the idea of an Indian nation or any consciousness of a Hindu community spread across the subcontinent. As the idea of nationhood and political rights seeped into the elite consciousness, the facts of being an Indian, or a Hindu, or a Bengali, acquired meanings that were entirely new.

Heinrich von Stietencron

It has been shown that the term “Hinduism” is a relatively recent one. Not only is the term modern, as I hope to show in this paper, but also the whole concept of the oneness of Hindu religion was introduced by missionaries and scholars from the West... Historically, the concept of Hindu religious unity is questionable when applied to any period prior to the nineteenth century. Both the religious practice and the theological doctrine of important Hindu religious traditions go against it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

you're so right, also incidentally the very people who gave a cohesive and singular identity to Hindoos.

Tapan Raychaudhuri



Heinrich von Stietencron

This is true. It is the british who taught hindus about themselves. One of the reasons I will always be grateful towards them. They dug up ManuSmriti and translated its wisdom for us, otherwise we would have been a lost people.

 

[Markhor]

Wow. no body else complained, so these five should not be heard. You keep exceeding yourself

Let me explain it for you carefully - this agency have laid off staff for the last 18 months. It didn't start with these five execs. 80% of the creative department are white males and only 8% of the senior executive team are from a black or ethnic minority background so obviously in any rounds of redundancies the white male workers are going to be proportionately affected. There was no talk of racial discrimination then. Here, these five men complained after the boss went to a conference called "Creative Equals" where the subject was about diversifying the creative industry and improving the gender paygap - as the industry is notorious for its abysmally low representation of BMEs and its gender paygap. What were the five men expecting their boss to say at a diversity conference - there should be FEWER women and BMEs in senior leadership ?

Now was that a firing offence ? No, I'd have to assess their performance in their jobs - maybe they were to lose their jobs anyway because the company's been firing staff for 18 months. Neither of us know. But are they entitled to an executive position for life ? Hell no, and the fact they complained to HR after that speech shows their entitlement complex.

I see how conveniently you ignored this in the OP:

No that's not the proper quote which is typical for a tabloid like Daily Mail which you so readily quote. She said at the event she wanted to obliterate the agency's reputation of being a "Knightsbridge boys’ club". Again, if you'd knew anything about the UK advertising industry it has a reputation for being dominated by affluent white males in the South of England. It makes sense for an advertising agency to have a diverse workforce since its in their interests to attract a wide range of clients.

BTW this agency has the worst gender paygap in the advertising industry. The median gender paygap is 44.7% whereas in the industry it's 16% - I didn't hear these five execs or you whine about discrimination then. The agency's former CEO, Gustovao Martinez, left the agency THIS year after allegations of harassment and racist comments. Geez, I wonder why the new boss would want to improve the company's image and appeal more to women and BMEs !

I can engage you with that study you posted, but that deserves another thread. You are more than welcome to create it and I will shred your points one by one. Promise.

Address it here as it's relevant. And address why you falsely equivocate "liberal anti-white racism" with centuries old anti-black prejudice which you strangely don't condemn with the same ferocity despite it being far more prevalent and has killed many more lives.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Address it here as it's relevant. And address why you falsely equivocate "liberal anti-white racism" with centuries old anti-black prejudice which you strangely don't condemn with the same ferocity despite it being far more prevalent and has killed many more lives.

POTW. Suddenly some work came up, so will let you have the last word.

 

[saadibaba]

This is forced diversity and inclusivity and is not going to do anything for women or minority rights. These are just optics which have nothing to do with reality. Companies and corporations, at least the successful ones, run on talent and skill. If you start forcing diversity on people, its just going to negatively effect the business and the final product and before you know it, the whole company is out of business.

The same type of forced inclusivity is being seen in Hollywood, after the whole "Oscar So White" outcry, which was by the way caused by Will Smith's wife because he did not get nominated for a role no one saw as being Oscar worthy. Will Smith, who is one of the most successful and celebrated black leading man of our times, how ironic. Now if a minority gets nominated for any category, there is a good 90% chance they will win the award even if he/she do not deserve it, just to dispel the impression of being so called racist or misogynist. I am not sure if this has anything to do with the #MeToo movement or with Trump being elected but there has to be some limit to these draconian measures taken in the name of diversity and women liberation.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is forced diversity and inclusivity and is not going to do anything for women or minority rights. These are just optics which have nothing to do with reality. Companies and corporations, at least the successful ones, run on talent and skill. If you start forcing diversity on people, its just going to negatively effect the business and the final product and before you know it, the whole company is out of business.

The same type of forced inclusivity is being seen in Hollywood, after the whole "Oscar So White" outcry, which was by the way caused by Will Smith's wife because he did not get nominated for a role no one saw as being Oscar worthy. Will Smith, who is one of the most successful and celebrated black leading man of our times, how ironic. Now if a minority gets nominated for any category, there is a good 90% chance they will win the award even if he/she do not deserve it, just to dispel the impression of being so called racist or misogynist. I am not sure if this has anything to do with the #MeToo movement or with Trump being elected but there has to be some limit to these draconian measures taken in the name of diversity and women liberation.

I'm not so sure. There has been a lot of talk about the lack of black football coaches and managers in the English game, and if you ask black footballers, they say there is an unspoken belief that they just aren't seen as management material. By making the issue a talking point, at least it gets people to consider that they are discounting candidates based on irrational prejudice rather than solid reason. It's more about removing barriers to certain groups than discriminating against white males.