Sub-Continental Asians jealous by nature? Or is it envy?

[MenInG]

Some generalizations here but lets be honest pls.

Big difference between Jealousy and Envy but to many this is the reason why we are so competitive.

Whereas people of Western origin seem rather chilled out about everything.

How much of above is true in your experience?

 

[MenInG]

"Asians". Here in America we only refer to Chinese/Korean type people as Asian, so I don't want to generalize them as they're not my people.

Well Asians in UK are Pak/Ind/BD origin

 

[Syed1]

Well Asians in UK are Pak/Ind/BD origin

Interesting... what are people from Far East referred to as?

 

[Pakistanian]

Well Asians in UK are Pak/Ind/BD origin

Aight, so you're only talking about British Paks. Idk much about them but here in America , the Asians (Chinese,Japanese etc) are pretty chill.

 

[Syed1]

Desi people are by nature jealous/envious. They cannot see one of their peers succeeding and would try their best to 'one-up' them or bring them down.

I do not know where this trait originates from. Perhaps a lack of equal opportunity for everybody to succeed and an overall lack of meritocracy in society.

You are only jealous of someone when you know you cannot have what they have.

 

[StreetSmart]

Jealousy has nothing to do with race or origin. I am not racist but white Americans seem to have this issue with everyone and the recent elections are the evidence.

 

[Rayyman]

Desi people are by nature jealous/envious. They cannot see one of their peers succeeding and would try their best to 'one-up' them or bring them down.

I do not know where this trait originates from. Perhaps a lack of equal opportunity for everybody to succeed and an overall lack of meritocracy in society.

You are only jealous of someone when you know you cannot have what they have.

On the other hand, Desis tend to be more motivated which leads to them being generally more successful than other minorities in the West.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Sadly very true.

 

[troodon]

Here is my theory.

Almost all Asian countries are over populated. Subcontinent countries are severely over populated.

Due to over population, there is too much competition for resources. People try to come up through hook or crook. Everyone wants the best that is available even if they do not have much talent to begin with. If someone has talent and is coming up, everyone around that person gets jealous of that person as they want themselves and their kids to be in that position.
Many Asians carry over the same mentality when they migrate to West.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You are only jealous of someone when you know you cannot have what they have.

Examples are Kohli and Amir.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Some generalizations here but lets be honest pls.

Big difference between Jealousy and Envy but to many this is the reason why we are so competitive.

Whereas people of Western origin seem rather chilled out about everything.

People in our part of the world can even kill each other in jealousy. There have been so many cases of that in property disputes. People in west are more successful because they are chilled out. Here in india and pakistan 95% of the employers will never travel with their employees in the train or bus because of their ego. You don't see that in western countries which is what I always like about them.

 

[MenInG]

Wonder if this is acquired behaviour from the older generation or were they more giving then the newer one?

 

[sshakir411]

Desis by nature are jealous/envious....I'd say 6 out of 10 definitely are

 

[DW44]

On the other hand, Desis tend to be more motivated which leads to them being generally more successful than other minorities in the West.

Massive generalization. If you break 'desi' down to Indian, Pakistani, Lankan and Bangladeshi, and account for Europe and Canada as part of the "west", as opposed to just the US where all the aforementioned groups are indeed very successful, the results will be mixed at best. UK, the western country with the second largest diaspora from South Asia, offers a good example where the Bangladeshis and Pakistanis, who account for over half of the South Asian diaspora, rank near the bottom for educational and economic achievement.

 

[Rayyman]

Massive generalization. If you break 'desi' down to Indian, Pakistani, Lankan and Bangladeshi, and account for Europe and Canada as part of the "west", as opposed to just the US where all the aforementioned groups are indeed very successful, the results will be mixed at best. UK, the western country with the second largest diaspora from South Asia, offers a good example where the Bangladeshis and Pakistanis, who account for over half of the South Asian diaspora, rank near the bottom for educational and economic achievement.

Well in the U.S., Asians are much more better off financially than African-Americans or Hispanics.

 

[DW44]

Well in the U.S., Asians are much more better off financially than African-Americans or Hispanics.

Like I said, you'll get very different results based on which part of the west you consider. The US is an anomaly in that Pakistanis tend to do even better than traditionally overachieving East Asians(levels of education and income are much higher than for Chinese, Japanese and Korean Americans) but that's not really true for the rest of the west, particularly Europe and it has a lot to do with which country in South Asia and which part of said country the diaspora hails from. Norwegian Pakistanis, for instance, who hail mostly from Jehlum do very well. British Pakistanis, mostly from rural Kashmir and northern Punjab, not so much. The only constant is that the Indians tend to be at the top of the ladder regardless of where they are. For other South Asians, there's a lot of variation from country to country and the general trends aren't great.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Like I said, you'll get very different results based on which part of the west you consider. The US is an anomaly in that Pakistanis tend to do even better than traditionally overachieving East Asians(levels of education and income are much higher than for Chinese, Japanese and Korean Americans) but that's not really true for the rest of the west, particularly Europe and it has a lot to do with which country in South Asia and which part of said country the diaspora hails from. Norwegian Pakistanis, for instance, who hail mostly from Jehlum do very well. British Pakistanis, mostly from rural Kashmir and northern Punjab, not so much. The only constant is that the Indians tend to be at the top of the ladder regardless of where they are. For other South Asians, there's a lot of variation from country to country and the general trends aren't great.

Propaganda vs British Pakistanis continues. Reality is at least we aren't so hated that our fellow citizens vote for someone who wants us registered.

Also yes some are poor and struggling but I can tell you there are many who are well off and doing brilliantly in Business, medicine and Oil and gas.

 

[DW44]

Propaganda vs British Pakistanis continues. Reality is at least we aren't so hated that our fellow citizens vote for someone who wants us registered.

Also yes some are poor and struggling but I can tell you there are many who are well off and doing brilliantly in Business, medicine and Oil and gas.

Not really propaganda since I don't have an agenda, being neither British nor American Pakistani. My opinion is based off of publicly available statistics published by the UK government that put Bangladeshis and Pakistanis at the bottom and second from bottom in terms of average incomes and educational attainment. It gives me no pleasure, as a Pakistani, to have Pakistanis represented on such lists.

 

[Syed1]

Propaganda vs British Pakistanis continues. Reality is at least we aren't so hated that our fellow citizens vote for someone who wants us registered.

Also yes some are poor and struggling but I can tell you there are many who are well off and doing brilliantly in Business, medicine and Oil and gas.

What you talking about man. Britons voted for Brexit primarily because of immigration and they did agree with the open immigration policies of EU for EU and non-EU member states.

 

[Syed1]

Not really propaganda since I don't have an agenda, being neither British nor American Pakistani. My opinion is based off of publicly available statistics published by the UK government that put Bangladeshis and Pakistanis at the bottom and second from bottom in terms of average incomes and educational attainment. It gives me no pleasure, as a Pakistani, to have Pakistanis represented on such lists.

Please for the love of God stop shooting from your hip.

 

[DW44]

Please for the love of God stop shooting from your hip.

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Please for the love of god stop trying to act smarter than you are. Economics isn't your strongest suit, that much you already demonstrated when you thought Brazil lost $700 billion in four years. When you were lifting that screen grab from Wikipedia of all places, you should have maybe read the paragraphs immediately before and after the table.

http://www.economist.com/news/brita...anis-credit-poor-job-market-when-they-arrived

 

[Syed1]

Please for the love of god stop trying to act smarter than you are. Economics isn't your strongest suit, that much you already demonstrated when you thought Brazil lost $700 billion in four years. When you were lifting that screen grab from Wikipedia of all places, you should have maybe read the paragraphs immediately before and after the table.

http://www.economist.com/news/brita...anis-credit-poor-job-market-when-they-arrived

Good attempt at trying to save face after having truth shoved infront of you. The article you mentioned is a comparative analysis of the economic conditions of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and doesn't state that these two economic groups are doing the worst economically.

This is the para preceding the one I posted earlier.




No where it states what you are trying to prove.


Stop trying buddy you are only making it more embarrassing for yourself. Also you have shown before when your lack of knowledge is exposed you resort to personal attacks. You would be better served to not lie openly if you want to avoid such embarrassment in the future.

 

[troodon]

Please for the love of God stop shooting from your hip.

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Bangladeshi only 15,000 pounds median income? That's too low. That's like minimum wage.

 

[Thivagar]

Some generalizations here but lets be honest pls.

Big difference between Jealousy and Envy but to many this is the reason why we are so competitive.

Whereas people of Western origin seem rather chilled out about everything.

How much of above is true in your experience?

We like put down others in order elevate ourselves and I wouldn't call that "competitive". People from certain part of sub continent tend to do this more than others.

 

[Thivagar]

Bangladeshi only 15,000 pounds median income? That's too low. That's like minimum wage.

New immigrants ? Refugees?

 

[Buffet]

My opinion is based off of publicly available statistics published by the UK government that put Bangladeshis and Pakistanis at the bottom and second from bottom in terms of average incomes and educational attainment.

a comparative analysis of the economic conditions of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and doesn't state that these two economic groups are doing the worst economically.

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] is probably talking about this.



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http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml

http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/medialib...ethnic-inequalities-in-education-changing.pdf





I can see the education is improving for Bangladeshi and Pakistanis and I think after 15-20 years, both groups should be with others. I think households living below poverty will also improve for Pakistanis and Banladeshis as they go higher in education.

 

[Pakistanian]

^I believe our Brit Pak bros can turn that around in the future.

 

[DW44]

Good attempt at trying to save face after having truth shoved infront of you. The article you mentioned is a comparative analysis of the economic conditions of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and doesn't state that these two economic groups are doing the worst economically.

This is the para preceding the one I posted earlier.

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No where it states what you are trying to prove.


Stop trying buddy you are only making it more embarrassing for yourself. Also you have shown before when your lack of knowledge is exposed you resort to personal attacks. You would be better served to not lie openly if you want to avoid such embarrassment in the future.

If you're going to question someone's credibility, at least do it based on properly researched information. In your haste to make a point, you lifted a table from Wikipedia and pasted it here without actually reading the report the table was lifted from. I took the trouble of skimming through it so let me correct you on the many, many fronts where you're way off the mark. First, my original post was about income, not wealth. The figures you quoted are for wealth. These are income and earnings figures from that report:





This is the disclaimer that precedes the wealth figures you quoted btw:

"The numbers in the sample are not large enough to give a very detailed breakdown of wealth
by ethnicity (of the household reference person) or of the spread within each ethnic group.
However, there are considerable differences in median total wealth between ethnic groups,
part of which will reflect differences in age structure"

All of this is from the same report your context free wikipedia copy-paste is from. This here, btw, is the report: http://sticerd.lse.ac.uk/dps/case/cr/CASEreport60.pdf

By all means continue exposing my lack of knowledge and ignorance if it amuses you. That always goes so well.

 

[Jan Sher]

May be they are still suffering from the after effects of the British rule over them many years ago

 

[Haroon786]

Aight, so you're only talking about British Paks. Idk much about them but here in America , the Asians (Chinese,Japanese etc) are pretty chill.

What continent are Pakistanis and Indians from ?

 

[Thivagar]

People in our part of the world can even kill each other in jealousy. There have been so many cases of that in property disputes. People in west are more successful because they are chilled out. Here in india and pakistan 95% of the employers will never travel with their employees in the train or bus because of their ego. You don't see that in western countries which is what I always like about them.

I thought that too but I'm a recent graduate, in high school and middle school I never really got to see class division among students or even teachers. As I get older, I'm seeing more division in worker-boss scenario. I also see major increase a division between blue collar and white collar workers that wasn't very prevailing before. Even my former high school mates who have now found decent jobs are looking down on people that are not in their "standard". Weirdly this is more come on among Desis. This is what happens when you give Desis little bit of power, they act up. It is definitely in our genetics.

 

[PakLFC]

Don't use the word Asian's as it covers many countries. Indian's suffer from a massive western especially American cultural complex, this can be seen amongst their youth and entertainment industry that can't be denied. Many Pakistanis on the other hand are just Arab wannabee's, they're now dressing in those long robes Arab's wear as well. I would say most people from South Asia suffer from some inferiority complex that is a form of envy. Jealousy amongst Pakistanis at least is when a compatriot is smarter, wealthier or better educated then they are.

 

[Bewal Express]

Jealousy exists in all communities but within the PK community it might be slightly more prevalent because of the way our families and communities operate. When I worked on the fruit farms as a kid, the white bosses were amazed how much we knew about each other, whereas they kept themselves in very small nuclear family units. I asked one of the guys once about why they knew so little , he said unlike you guys we don't live in each other's pockets and in a nutshell this was the strength of our families and communities and its greatest weakness.

 

[Buffet]

^I believe our Brit Pak bros can turn that around in the future.

Once second and third generation start dominating, education/income will change. History is filled with such examples so British Pakistanis and British Bangladeshis are likely to follow the same trend. You can already see the sharp decline in uneducated.

 

[HussainRx8]

I'm sure every Pakistani family has a few relatives who suffer from inferiority complex. One of my relatives has a $1.5mil house and still can't let go of his jealousy.

 

[Itachi]

Desi people are by nature jealous/envious. They cannot see one of their peers succeeding and would try their best to 'one-up' them or bring them down.

I do not know where this trait originates from. Perhaps a lack of equal opportunity for everybody to succeed and an overall lack of meritocracy in society.

You are only jealous of someone when you know you cannot have what they have.

Last statement has a condition. People tend to be jealous if the other person is also more or less on the same level (by which measuring is being done) with more assets in the other person's name.

E. G. I won't be jealous of Bill gates of having so much money.

I won't be jealous of Donald trump getting elected to President.

But I'll be jealous if my colleague gets a promotion and I don't.

I'll be jealous if my neighbors kid gets more marks than my kid.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I have become jealous and bitter after becoming a loser in life. Have stopped contacts with my friends who are successful in life and don't post anything on facebook because there is nothing to write about. It is only PP where I get some respect.

 

[confused_amoeba]

I have become jealous and bitter after becoming a loser in life. Have stopped contacts with my friends who are successful in life and don't post anything on facebook because there is nothing to write about. It is only PP where I get some respect.

What's your definition of a "loser"? Also, I am not sure if Facebook is a good place to learn about the lives of friends and other people. Most people who use Facebook want to project a certain image of themselves. Their is always some deep insecurities behind people who constantly post their pictures while on vacation or supposed "happy moments" to show everyone how good everything turned out to be for them. They "like" other people's similar nonsensical pictures and posts so they can in turn "like" them and the circle of mutual fake admiration goes on and on. The brilliant sci-fi TV series "Black Mirror" has a very apt episode on the hollowness and fakeness of this entire social media culture.

 

[Pakistanian]

I thought that too but I'm a recent graduate, in high school and middle school I never really got to see class division among students or even teachers. As I get older, I'm seeing more division in worker-boss scenario. I also see major increase a division between blue collar and white collar workers that wasn't very prevailing before. Even my former high school mates who have now found decent jobs are looking down on people that are not in their "standard". Weirdly this is more come on among Desis. This is what happens when you give Desis little bit of power, they act up. It is definitely in our genetics.

Dude, you start off your comment by stating you're a college graduate yet you end it by claiming we're all "jealous by nature" cause of "our genetics" lol, that's pseudoscientific junk. You can't blame character flaws on genetics, that's just a cop out. Also speaking about genetics, I had no idea there was some special desi gene all brown people shared.

 

[Pakistanian]

What continent are Pakistanis and Indians from ?

Doesn't matter bruh, we ain't Asian in America except in official papers. The general American society only considers orientals as Asian.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Yes, they act jealous, but the real reason behind this is insecurity. We are always comparing ourselves to others, and keep looking for reasons to feel superior. When that does not happen, jealousy creeps in quite naturally.

 

[Haroon786]

Doesn't matter bruh, we ain't Asian in America except in official papers. The general American society only considers orientals as Asian.

PP is unfortunately not an American forum, it is an international forum and by that Asians are all the people living in Asia.

 

[Pakistanian]

PP is unfortunately not an American forum, it is an international forum and by that Asians are all the people living in Asia.

Well the thread is so vague, it groups all Asian people together.

 

[Haroon786]

Well the thread is so vague, it groups all Asian people together.

Will edit.