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Bangladesh have got good batsman and bowlers especially spinners. Series between India and Bangladesh in India will be much more exciting and competitive than series against NZ, Aus or SA. I think they are due to tour india. I am not sure when and for how many tests though. What's your opinion?
 
Well they are scheduled to play a test in Hyderabad sometime in January.

I fully expect them to lose, however.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] Do you think it will be easy for India to beat Bangladesh in India? Conditions are not that different between these two countries. I think it will be a competitive series.
 
Bangladesh are a damn good test side in Asia. Outside Asia they'll still struggle but on spinning wickets I'd fully back them to beat NZ/Aus/England/SA, all teams who struggle vs spin really.

In India I can see them putting up some resistance but I dont think they're quite at the level where they'll beat Asian sides yet.
 
Soumya, Sabbir and Mustafizur would have to establish themselves in the test arena to compete with India. They're not there yet.
 
Good thread. Bangladesh have everything to give tough time to India in India but they r not matured enough.
They take 3 or 4 wickets immediately then they will consider themselves they have done remarkable job and overwhelmed with that little performance. Where as India never give up till last ball. So eventually India will win easily with its attitude and discipline.
Bangladesh may improved physically but they r mentally still minnow.
Sorry for Bangladesh fans.
 
it'll be the same. Bangladesh lack some serious professionalism. Today when they had england on the ropes with 150/7 and a lead of about 80, I was pretty sure they'd botch it again, and they did as bhai was able to get England to a whopping 244 (considering their earlier position).

They can't close out games vs big sides in ODIs and tests, but def improvement that they can at least get to that stage.

Let them play 2-3 more series vs big teams and they'll learn to finish things too.

Not atm, but maybe in a few years times Bangla series vs Asian sides will be interesting.
 
Good thread. Bangladesh have everything to give tough time to India in India but they r not matured enough.
They take 3 or 4 wickets immediately then they will consider themselves they have done remarkable job and overwhelmed with that little performance. Where as India never give up till last ball. So eventually India will win easily with its attitude and discipline.
Bangladesh may improved physically but they r mentally still minnow.
Sorry for Bangladesh fans.

How will Bangladesh improve if they are not given an opportunity to tour india regularly? The worst that can happen with them is a whitewash which is happening with sides like aus and nz anyway. India also tours aus and eng regularly. We go there with a hope that we can improve by playing there and may be next time we will win some tests there.
 
Expect a bouncy track with sime seam and sw8ng at Hyderabad with India picking 3 seamers- Shami, Bhuvi, Umesh.

BTW just an year ago when the two sides played, our opening stand was nearly 300 runs and BD were following on. This when we still had Bhajji in 11. Not much of a contest till rain saved them
 
Expect a bouncy track with sime seam and sw8ng at Hyderabad with India picking 3 seamers- Shami, Bhuvi, Umesh.

BTW just an year ago when the two sides played, our opening stand was nearly 300 runs and BD were following on. This when we still had Bhajji in 11. Not much of a contest till rain saved them

This.

Unless they have dramatically improved in 12 months to go from getting crushed at home to being competitive away.
 
Have you followed the current Bangladesh-England series?

I have.

It is hard to quantify where this England team stands on turning tracks. Are they as bad as Australia?

If India whitewash England, they would be. If not, it is a clear sign of BD's progress in the test arena in home conditions.
 
India will beat Bangladesh easily. England poor ability of playing spin is making Bangladesh look better in tests than they are. In Odis Bangladesh is a strong force though.
 
No, BD Vs India will be a very one sided boring match. BD is good to compete a depleted England team on a turning wicket on their home soil, nothing beyond that.
 
India scored 500+ runs against Bangladesh in Bangladesh. In India Rohit alone will score 400 runs, Bangladesh still haven't produced pacers who can take 20 Indian wickets.
 
I think BD would have humiliated Aus or Nz at home.

Both teams have just one good player of spin - Kane and Smith but even they aren't the best spin players out there.

England might just sneak a series victory if they do well now.
 
India is number one ranked team and Bangladesh are a bottom ranked team, not sure why do you think this would be a good contest.
 
No, BD Vs India will be a very one sided boring match. BD is good to compete a depleted England team on a turning wicket on their home soil, nothing beyond that.

Bangladesh are also depleted. They are missing their 4 best pacers in Mashrafe, Taskin, Shahid and Mustafizur. Jubair the leg spinner and Nasir Hossain.
 
India scored 500+ runs against Bangladesh in Bangladesh. In India Rohit alone will score 400 runs, Bangladesh still haven't produced pacers who can take 20 Indian wickets.

Lol yes. Test matches are boring as hell anyway.

I would love to see BD play 5-match ODI series over boring test matches.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] Do you think it will be easy for India to beat Bangladesh in India? Conditions are not that different between these two countries. I think it will be a competitive series.

First, India is damn good at home.

If I recall correctly, SAF has lost 4 of the last 5 Tests there (would have been 5-0 without rain), NZ has lost last 7, 7-0 (?), West Indies were so embarrassing that I can't recall their result, probably only draw in this millennium was courtesy of an Ashwin mistake; AUS has lost 6-0 in last 6 & that too after winning all 6 tosses. SRL didn't play Test in recent times, but their last ODI trip was embarrassment of it's own. Only team that had a surprise success there was England. Based on that, some of the comments I read here actually indicates double standard for Bangladesh & a bit of shallow. All those main Aussie, English, SAF, Kiwi & West Indian players are touring India every year at least once for IPL, sometimes twice & even thrice when there was CL T20; and our boys will be touring there second time in last 10-12 years, with T20 WC been the only other occasion - that's 4 T20 matches.

Having said that, I think, our batting in similar condition is as good as any team. What happens with every emerging team is individual stats often is below per than players' actual capability, because of poor early days. Players like Mushi, Imrul, Mahmood are averaging just around 30, but I do believe they are much better player than that, particularly on Asian wickets; even an average of 40 for Tamim doesn't justify his capability, while Ashraful averaged just about 25. On contrary, our new boys (Sabbir, Momin) has better career stats, simply because they have started their career with a better unit. Batting wise, I am sure boys will do far better than any non Asian teams, in fact SRL as well after Sanga & Mahela. Besides, our boys are probably among top 3 spin playing team now & there is a decent batting depth - so, I don't think, batting wise it's a bigger challenge. On good wicket, batting first, we can post 450+.

Telling difference will be in bowling. Indian Test wickets are actually quite balanced - pacers has a role there both with new & old ball. To me, on similar wickets, Indian attack is best in world, not only because of the spin pair (or trio, Mishra will trouble many teams, as the Kiwis found today), but Indian pacers as well, who are excellent user of new ball. Recently, they have won couple of Tests in WI & at Eden on a bit of sluggish wicket, with their use of new ball & reverse swing. 5 men Indian attack is capable of taking 20 wickets against any team in India, where we are lagging big time. As of now, I think, subject to full fitness, we have 4 bowlers for Indian/similar wickets - Sakib, Miraj, Taijul & Mustafiz. We'll have to find a new ball partner for Mustafiz to make it a very good attack for such South Asian wickets (barring PAK, which are absolute rubbish - worst advertisement for Test cricket).

Playing a solo Test has it's benefits & draw backs - negative is that, you hardly get any chance to correct your mistakes, hardly get time to prepare; but the advantage is that you can catch the better side off guard on a bad day. Unless it rains, Test won't be drawn in India under Kohli, so we'll either win or lose. Our chance starts from the 1st morning - without winning the toss, I don't see any chance of winning, even draw is not possible, because Virat won't allow a Misbah job - 579/3 @ 3.75 on that Test wicket was as pathetic strategy as you can get, almost resulted drawing the match. Same condition, same opposition - India would have been all-out for 625 in 140 overs & made sure that there is enough overs for 20 wickets. I am really impressed yesterday that boys took the initiative & scored at 5/over - often on such wickets, after conceding a lead, teams bog down to make it ultra safe & get into trouble.

I am not sure, who'll be fit/picked; but, as of now this will be my 12 men playing XI (one to miss-out on match morning) -

Imrul, Tamim
Momin, Mushi*+, Sakib, Mahmood, Sabbir
Miraz, Taijul, Mustafiz,
Mosaddek/Taskin

This is actually a good team for any condition - may be barring AUS on those hard & bouncy wickets. If it's a good, firm batting wicket at Upal, may be batting first, we can get out with a draw with a big 1st innings; but on rank turners, we have a chance of winning it - be slim, but I am sure any team won't like to chase 170+ on Indian Test tracks, in 4th innings against the attack I mentioned earlier!!!
 
Make no mistake. England, NZ are Rubbish in Asia. But just Because Bangladesh can beat them, it doesn't mean Bangladesh can challenge India.

.... It is just that England, NZ are that much Rubbish that they'll lose to school teams.
 
And tney have won their first test against england. Would love to see a Bangla India 3 test match series in India.
 
India have blanked NZ, will certainly blank Australia, and probably have an 80% chance of blanking England (even if you are overwhelmingly superior it's really hard to win a five match series 5-0, all you need is one day of rain across the 25 or one off day from your bowlers and the losing side could nick a draw). West Indies are a really poor side and South Africa were comfortably accounted for in the last tour.

So even if Bangladesh aren't able to beat India I think we can be quite confident they will put up a much better fight than all of the other visitors and so the game will make much better viewing. India have been pretty ruthless in crushing all comers since the last home series loss to England. All Bangladesh will need to do is take the match deep and make India sweat a little, and they will have done better than everybody else.
 
BCCI have invited Bangladesh to play only one Test match in their inaugural tour to India. No ODIs or T20s scheduled either. Such an elitist attitude. Even England or Australia are not so miser.

And then Indians wonder why Bangladeshis dislike the Indian cricket team.
 
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BCCI have invited Bangladesh to play only one Test match in their inaugural tour to India. No ODIs or T20s scheduled either. Such an elitist attitude. Even England or Australia are not so miser.

And then Indians wonder why Bangladeshis dislike the Indian cricket team.

What will Bangladesh learn by playing only 1 test?
 
Given that Sri Lanka, who have produced far more quality cricketers than Bangladesh and have been a fairly decent Test team for a long time, are yet to win a Test match in India I think Bangladesh will find the going quite tough in February
 
First, India is damn good at home.

If I recall correctly, SAF has lost 4 of the last 5 Tests there (would have been 5-0 without rain), NZ has lost last 7, 7-0 (?), West Indies were so embarrassing that I can't recall their result, probably only draw in this millennium was courtesy of an Ashwin mistake; AUS has lost 6-0 in last 6 & that too after winning all 6 tosses. SRL didn't play Test in recent times, but their last ODI trip was embarrassment of it's own. Only team that had a surprise success there was England. Based on that, some of the comments I read here actually indicates double standard for Bangladesh & a bit of shallow. All those main Aussie, English, SAF, Kiwi & West Indian players are touring India every year at least once for IPL, sometimes twice & even thrice when there was CL T20; and our boys will be touring there second time in last 10-12 years, with T20 WC been the only other occasion - that's 4 T20 matches.

Having said that, I think, our batting in similar condition is as good as any team. What happens with every emerging team is individual stats often is below per than players' actual capability, because of poor early days. Players like Mushi, Imrul, Mahmood are averaging just around 30, but I do believe they are much better player than that, particularly on Asian wickets; even an average of 40 for Tamim doesn't justify his capability, while Ashraful averaged just about 25. On contrary, our new boys (Sabbir, Momin) has better career stats, simply because they have started their career with a better unit. Batting wise, I am sure boys will do far better than any non Asian teams, in fact SRL as well after Sanga & Mahela. Besides, our boys are probably among top 3 spin playing team now & there is a decent batting depth - so, I don't think, batting wise it's a bigger challenge. On good wicket, batting first, we can post 450+.

Telling difference will be in bowling. Indian Test wickets are actually quite balanced - pacers has a role there both with new & old ball. To me, on similar wickets, Indian attack is best in world, not only because of the spin pair (or trio, Mishra will trouble many teams, as the Kiwis found today), but Indian pacers as well, who are excellent user of new ball. Recently, they have won couple of Tests in WI & at Eden on a bit of sluggish wicket, with their use of new ball & reverse swing. 5 men Indian attack is capable of taking 20 wickets against any team in India, where we are lagging big time. As of now, I think, subject to full fitness, we have 4 bowlers for Indian/similar wickets - Sakib, Miraj, Taijul & Mustafiz. We'll have to find a new ball partner for Mustafiz to make it a very good attack for such South Asian wickets (barring PAK, which are absolute rubbish - worst advertisement for Test cricket).

Playing a solo Test has it's benefits & draw backs - negative is that, you hardly get any chance to correct your mistakes, hardly get time to prepare; but the advantage is that you can catch the better side off guard on a bad day. Unless it rains, Test won't be drawn in India under Kohli, so we'll either win or lose. Our chance starts from the 1st morning - without winning the toss, I don't see any chance of winning, even draw is not possible, because Virat won't allow a Misbah job - 579/3 @ 3.75 on that Test wicket was as pathetic strategy as you can get, almost resulted drawing the match. Same condition, same opposition - India would have been all-out for 625 in 140 overs & made sure that there is enough overs for 20 wickets. I am really impressed yesterday that boys took the initiative & scored at 5/over - often on such wickets, after conceding a lead, teams bog down to make it ultra safe & get into trouble.

I am not sure, who'll be fit/picked; but, as of now this will be my 12 men playing XI (one to miss-out on match morning) -

Imrul, Tamim
Momin, Mushi*+, Sakib, Mahmood, Sabbir
Miraz, Taijul, Mustafiz,
Mosaddek/Taskin

This is actually a good team for any condition - may be barring AUS on those hard & bouncy wickets. If it's a good, firm batting wicket at Upal, may be batting first, we can get out with a draw with a big 1st innings; but on rank turners, we have a chance of winning it - be slim, but I am sure any team won't like to chase 170+ on Indian Test tracks, in 4th innings against the attack I mentioned earlier!!!

usully very good poster but i think your nationalism is evident from your analysis
 
Indian batting > Ban batting
Indian spin bowling> Ban bowling

Results are out there only.

The conditions are similar but Indian test team on Indian pitches are very strong in all department of the game.

Pak is the only team that can compete with India in India.
 
That was my concern, OK BD has won the test, good for them but it will be hard to control BD fans now, they will be carried away trying to make us believe BD is the best team in the world. It might be for them , but for rest of the world they are still a minnow, have to win outside to prove they are not.
 
usully very good poster but i think your nationalism is evident from your analysis

Which part you didn't agree?

I think, I have down played the team as much as possible - CTG wicket was tougher than Dhaka one because of the pace & bounce of the track, where on 4th innings team scored 263 - I'll bet my house, no current team will better that, even Pakistan, if YK doesn't play a blinder. How it's like batting on 4th innings on such wickets ask the Poms.

Batting is absolutely no issue & I said that last year, when opening pair put 300+ against Yasir facing a deficit of 350 to save a Test. There was weakness in bowling, as it was totally dependent on Sakib - now there are 3 bowlers to support him - this kid, a fit Mustafiz & Taijul. Tamim is the most under rated Test batsman in world, not in South Asia only. There is only a telling gap - Mustafiz's new ball partner, which a fit Taskin can serve in a 5 bowler strategy, because he'll be needed for 13-14 overs/day.

I don't post to make anyone, including my self happy - please bother to explain which part of the post you don't agree.
 
Which part you didn't agree?

I think, I have down played the team as much as possible - CTG wicket was tougher than Dhaka one because of the pace & bounce of the track, where on 4th innings team scored 263 - I'll bet my house, no current team will better that, even Pakistan, if YK doesn't play a blinder. How it's like batting on 4th innings on such wickets ask the Poms.

Batting is absolutely no issue & I said that last year, when opening pair put 300+ against Yasir facing a deficit of 350 to save a Test. There was weakness in bowling, as it was totally dependent on Sakib - now there are 3 bowlers to support him - this kid, a fit Mustafiz & Taijul. Tamim is the most under rated Test batsman in world, not in South Asia only. There is only a telling gap - Mustafiz's new ball partner, which a fit Taskin can serve in a 5 bowler strategy, because he'll be needed for 13-14 overs/day.

I don't post to make anyone, including my self happy - please bother to explain which part of the post you don't agree.

What happened to Bijoy and Litton Das? The former looked very talented when i last saw him and can help stiffen the batting. Also the tail need some more time in the nets as nowadays teams can't afford a tail that can't contribute 40 runs among themselves, it cost them the previous test.
 
What happened to Bijoy and Litton Das? The former looked very talented when i last saw him and can help stiffen the batting. Also the tail need some more time in the nets as nowadays teams can't afford a tail that can't contribute 40 runs among themselves, it cost them the previous test.

Batting resources are good actually - once you miss your chance, it's difficult to make a come back. Which player can be dropped? Sabbir got his chance & made a 60+* on debut; Kayes was shaky - cemented his spot in last Test, Momin still averages 50+ & he is piling runs in domestics. Liton & Soumya got their chances at the expense of Bijoy & Nasir, now they have lost that to Mosaddek & Sabbir. Competition is good, as long as the selection process is fair.

Tail batting is not only about skills, it's more with application & mindset - our tail comes to bat only for survival, but these are actually better players than this 50/6 performance. Also, match fitness is a big issue - these players are playing serious International almost after a year; T20 actually doesn't develop bottom half batting. I think, Miraj will improve the tail considerably, he is far, far better batsman than 1.25 average.
 
Miraz is a 35 average batsman on virtue of skill. He can improve his batting

If you ask me, he can become a better player than Shakib
 
LOL, why is SA grouped with Aus and NZ as if they played in normal conditions?
We'd be way more competitive than Bangladesh, especially when everyone is fit.
 
After watching Bishoo's performance against us in the current series. It will be interesting to see how we do against Bangladesh in Bangladesh. Specially as Misbah won't be around and maybe even Younis Khan. As the other players don't have it in them to dominate spinners and forcing them out of the attack like these 2..
 
After watching Bishoo's performance against us in the current series. It will be interesting to see how we do against Bangladesh in Bangladesh. Specially as Misbah won't be around and maybe even Younis Khan. As the other players don't have it in them to dominate spinners and forcing them out of the attack like these 2..

I don't think any team has skill to play well on rank turners to be honest. As far as test in BD is concerned, first time in entire history I saw them trying to win otherwise they have always played to draw the game. Hopefully, they play to win and put turning tracks in future as well.
 
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LOL, why is SA grouped with Aus and NZ as if they played in normal conditions?
We'd be way more competitive than Bangladesh, especially when everyone is fit.

Aus is hilarious. Aus has been whitewashed in every venue in Asia.
 
That was my concern, OK BD has won the test, good for them but it will be hard to control BD fans now, they will be carried away trying to make us believe BD is the best team in the world. It might be for them , but for rest of the world they are still a minnow, have to win outside to prove they are not.

First they need to be invited overseas :yk

I would say Bangladesh need to win at least 10 more test against non Asian countries then think about away wins. We don't have fast bowlers for overseas conditions, don't want to ruin Musta & Taskin, they'll get injured playing Test cricket.
 
<b>How will Bangladesh improve if they are not given an opportunity to tour india regularly? </b>The worst that can happen with them is a whitewash which is happening with sides like aus and nz anyway. India also tours aus and eng regularly. We go there with a hope that we can improve by playing there and may be next time we will win some tests there.

Bangladesh's improvement is not really India's responsibility. There are only a certain number of Tests the Indian players can play in a year, especially with a busy LOIs schedule and IPL.

Having said that, I would say that Bangladesh is improving and that will earn it respect and more games in the future.
 
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's a battle between no.1 (Bangladesh) and no. 2 (India).
 
Going by last India Vs Bangla Test, I don't think it is a good idea. The gulf was too vast and India looked all set to wrap it up inside 3 days.
 
Whoever thinks that Bangladesh will give a fight to India is a total joke. Indian pacers are much more accomplished than BD's no there's no way BD will prepare seaming track. The only reason BD won a test match is due to Mehndi Hasan, their new spinner so BD will bank on their strength and prepare a rank turner. On the rank turner, forget Ashwin, Jaddu will come in play and destroy BD batting line up. Jaddu and Ashwin are far more threat than Adil and Moeen.

BD will compete and win against Non-Asian teams on the rank turner, as simple as that.
 
Whoever thinks that Bangladesh will give a fight to India is a total joke. Indian pacers are much more accomplished than BD's no there's no way BD will prepare seaming track. The only reason BD won a test match is due to Mehndi Hasan, their new spinner so BD will bank on their strength and prepare a rank turner. On the rank turner, forget Ashwin, Jaddu will come in play and destroy BD batting line up. Jaddu and Ashwin are far more threat than Adil and Moeen.

BD will compete and win against Non-Asian teams on the rank turner, as simple as that.

Lol if you think BD batting is total dud against spin. They have few fine batsmen
 
Going by last India Vs Bangla Test, I don't think it is a good idea. The gulf was too vast and India looked all set to wrap it up inside 3 days.

Mustafizur, Mehedi coming inwould make a huge difference.

Their bats are actually good.

They almost chased down 270 on a rank turner Chittagong pitch.

But overall I do think India would win easily mainly because their spinners don't bowl consistent lines (I mean they don't spray arund but they could do much better). If they get that right, it will be super close on rank turners.
 
By february, we probably will see Taskin and Fizz fit for tests. So our test side is definitely looking good. Will be something like

Tamim
Imrul
Mominul
Mushy
Shakib
Riad
Litton
Mehedi
Taijul/Shahid(depending on conditions)
Fizz
Taskin

Looks really good on paper. Mehedi can bat I tell you.
 
You can't call it a series! Just one test! BCB shouldn't have accepted this begging.Really it would have been a good series if 3 tests were played.BCCI has been guilty of neglecting Bangladesh and not inviting us over the years.And after 16 long years we are going to India to play one test!
 
You can't call it a series! Just one test! BCB shouldn't have accepted this begging.Really it would have been a good series if 3 tests were played.BCCI has been guilty of neglecting Bangladesh and not inviting us over the years.And after 16 long years we are going to India to play one test!

I agree. There should be atleast 2 tests in a series.
 
You can't call it a series! Just one test! BCB shouldn't have accepted this begging.Really it would have been a good series if 3 tests were played.BCCI has been guilty of neglecting Bangladesh and not inviting us over the years.And after 16 long years we are going to India to play one test!

Specifically, when they found all the time in world to play BD in BD many times.

I am not sure if fans follow why BD-Ind games are mostly played in BD. Only one party benefits from this and that's BD. It's about host making money.
 
Going by last India Vs Bangla Test, I don't think it is a good idea. The gulf was too vast and India looked all set to wrap it up inside 3 days.

Bangladesh didn't take that lone test match seriously because they knew weather will take affect. India on the other hand did: body language of both teams showed that. I'm not saying Bangladesh would've won had they taken that match seriously: I still think they would've lost, but the margin would've been a lot smaller.
 
That lone test match coming early next year will be close, but I still think India will win. India's batting is far superior to Bangladesh's. Ashwin is a better better spinner than Shakib and Mehedi (too new) in tests, and will trouble our batsman far more than the likes of Moeen and Rashid. India is still the best Asia side across all forms.
 
Lol if you think BD batting is total dud against spin. They have few fine batsmen

Few fine batsmen don't mean they will be competitive. Cook and Root are super fine batsmen, What happened in BD?

Sanga and Jaya were super good player of spin but they couldn't win a single test in India.

They just have won one test and people are making them a competitive team? They have a long way to go.
 
Bangladesh is more adept at playing spin that most international sides, which is perhaps why India didn't really feel that a square turner would helped them much.

SA is probably the only non-Asian team which is more than decent against spin.
 
We could have been watching a thriller on a turning pitch between two sides that have decent spinners and batsman that can play spin well but the BCCI/Indian team management had other ideas.

This match too could get interesting if Bangladesh show the same fight tomorrow that they did in the last session.
 
They're fighting hard.

Still in the game after the end of Day 3. But it was like this in New Zealand as well, before they capitulated in the 2nd innings.

A draw will be a terrific result for them from here, and a supreme disappointment for us.
 
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