Thank you Mr. Jinnah for the gift of Pakistan

[MenInG]

Whilst we celebrate the birthday of Quaid-e-Azam - born on 25th December in 1876 - its perhaps time to reflect on the beautiful gift that the founder of this nation bestowed upon us.

Looking at how Modi and gang are treating Muslims in India - I can only thank Mr. Jinnah for his gift to us

 

[Third_Umpire]

A man with a vision, who foresaw the future with his two nation theory.

 

[sweep_shot]

Jinnah was the man.

Well done, Jinnah.

 

[Manunited18]

Gob bless Jinnah.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I cant imagine being from India, travelling back to a land where extremists are in power.

Jinnah changed the course of history, one day Pakistan will be a leader of Muslim nations and one of the most powerful nations in history.

 

[Hornbill]

Modi and gang should also thank him, it would have been impossible for them to implement their plans in an undivided india, muslims also lost the opportunity to spread the message of their religion among the lower caste hindus and dalits.

 

[Extra_Cover]

"Freedom" is a word that is used very loosely in today's world, the worth of this word usually never noticed by most people. Take internet and social media for example, under the cloud of anonymity internet has given everyone a "freedom" to be a judge and jury on any given topic without any chance of a backlash. Take a moment and think if there was no internet "freedom" then how it would have impacted each and everyone's life in here (it would to each their own extent).

We have realised the importance of Jinnah over the years when we are becoming more aware of the realities on other side of the border. When Pakistan was being created it was mere speculation that muslims would endure troubles in future. As long as it was a speculation the idea of Pakistan was being frowned upon as something that dismantled the notion of a definite superpower i.e. Greater India. Now and over the years when there has been numerous situations on both sides of the border we realise it was always the best idea to create Pakistan.

But what does creation of Pakistan mean for Pakistanis? Freedom is the obvious answer but on a broader level Pakistanis have an equal chance of winning/succeeding without any hindrance that would have been a convenient excuse in Greater India. Pakistanis and effectively muslims having their own country gives us same opportunity that an Indian would inherit in India. Over the years Pakistan has been slacking and was not matching with Indian counterparts and all phases however I'm optimistic for my next generation to do better than our Indian counterparts. With India's growth graph going down (religion and growth are not co-related hence an increase in religiosity would eventually bring a drop in economic growth) and Pakistan's growth graph to hopefully become more stable, I hope our next generation would be a similar if not a better match for Indian counterparts in all phases.

In future when we hopefully sort out our issues and lead to our path of success we would look back at this man (Jinnah) and be thoroughly thankful to him for creation of Pakistan. Jinnah helped muslims gain freedom, turning that freedom into success lies entirely on us the people.

 

[Slog]

What a guy!

 

[Slog]

Modi and gang should also thank him, it would have been impossible for them to implement their plans in an undivided india, muslims also lost the opportunity to spread the message of their religion among the lower caste hindus and dalits.

What was undivided india anyway. Why did you want to live in a British construct? If anything a natural Indian subcontinent would have several more countries

 

[CricketCartoons]

What was undivided india anyway. Why did you want to live in a British construct? If anything a natural Indian subcontinent would have several more countries

No country is a natural country. Any example of a natural country?

 

[Slog]

No country is a natural country. Any example of a natural country?

Korea, Japan, China. All with >90-% single ethnicity and living in lands historically occupied by them rather than a mish mash. If Bengal was United it would be a natural country.

 

[Hornbill]

What was undivided india anyway. Why did you want to live in a British construct? If anything a natural Indian subcontinent would have several more countries

Pakistan, present india are also artificial constructs. I don't have any issue if India splits into several more countries

 

[CricketCartoons]

Korea, Japan, China. All with >90-% single ethnicity and living in lands historically occupied by them rather than a mish mash. If Bengal was United it would be a natural country.

Why is religious based identity not natural, and ethnicity based is natural? This is just arbitrary definition of natural.

 

[Mamoon]

Instead of thanking him, we need to apologize to him. The Pakistan that he had in mind is nothing like the Pakistan today.

He never wanted a Muslim state dominated by military rule and no tolerance for minorities.

 

[MenInG]

Instead of thanking him, we need to apologize to him. The Pakistan that he had in mind is nothing like the Pakistan today.

He never wanted a Muslim state dominated by military rule and no tolerance for minorities.

I actually agree with you on this.

But I am also glad I have a place where we can practice our religion with freedom. Its not perfect. Nothing is.

 

[Manunited18]

Instead of thanking him, we need to apologize to him. The Pakistan that he had in mind is nothing like the Pakistan today.

He never wanted a Muslim state dominated by military rule and no tolerance for minorities.

And people that live in the country who continuously bash the state no matter what.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Instead of thanking him, we need to apologize to him. The Pakistan that he had in mind is nothing like the Pakistan today.

He never wanted a Muslim state dominated by military rule and no tolerance for minorities.

True. But the alternative would be living in present day India which is fast becoming the intolerant hindutva hellhole for Muslims which he envisioned in the first place. This is a dilemma for me as, like you, I don't believe in the two nation theory, but have to admit right now I am very thankful it happened.

 

[Local.Dada]

Actually As an Indian I am thankful to Jinnah too.

Can you imagine had that decision not been made? there would still be some nuisance going on for a separate state and on top of that there would still be present day Bangladeshis who may not have had the not so fruitful islamic state experience they later did and they would add fuel to the fire and create more ruckus for the common man.

Present day Indians be it Hindus or Muslims or other religions wouldn’t be United under an identity and there might have been other cultural clashes based on linguistics and ethnicity. I don’t think India would have even remotely made the progress it has made in a lot of areas if not for Pakistan.

Also it’s not like Muslims in India are not allowed to practice their religion, in fact the hardworking ones have a bigger payoff than they would have had if they went to Pakistan, for eg, Artists, Sportsmen and entrepreneurs

Thank you Mr.Jinnah indeed.

 

[Markhor]

A great man whose loss was felt deeply in the years after independence as the country moved away from his vision.

 

[I think therfore I am]

True. But the alternative would be living in present day India which is fast becoming the intolerant hindutva hellhole for Muslims which he envisioned in the first place. This is a dilemma for me as, like you, I don't believe in the two nation theory, but have to admit right now I am very thankful it happened.

Using that analogy Ghandi is owed also owed an apology, to what India is today

 

[Local.Dada]

Using that analogy Ghandi is owed also owed an apology, to what India is today

I wonder if Gandhi and Jinnah are having a conversation in heaven who would have more bragging rights at this point. Relatively speaking of course.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yeah thank you Jinnah.

Partition was one of the better things that have happened to India in the last few centuries or so. Could have been even better if not for all the bloodshed on both sides in the process.

I just can't imagine the chaos in an undivided post independence India. We/our predecessors may have dodged a full blown bloody civil war thanks to Jinnah sahab.

 

[Hitman]

Yeah thank you Jinnah.

Partition was one of the better things that have happened to India in the last few centuries or so. Could have been even better if not for all the bloodshed on both sides in the process.

I just can't imagine the chaos in an undivided post independence India. We/our predecessors may have dodged a full blown bloody civil war thanks to Jinnah sahab.

Spoke my mind.

 

[Mesozoic]

Spoke my mind.

Tbh most Indians hold the same view on this matter apart from the very tiny little minority i.e the Akhand Bharat gang and some Muslim Moulvi type fundamentalists who feel that their political power was reduced greatly due to partition.

A Muslim majority Punjab, Bengal and Kashmir would have taken India down the drain in a few decades and we'd have been balkanised into 50 smaller basket cases.

 

[Local.Dada]

Tbh most Indians hold the same view on this matter apart from the very tiny little minority i.e the Akhand Bharat gang and some Muslim Moulvi type fundamentalists who feel that their political power was reduced greatly due to partition.

A Muslim majority Punjab, Bengal and Kashmir would have taken India down the drain in a few decades and we'd have been balkanised into 50 smaller basket cases.

Also don’t forget Bangladesh. Those guys were a lot more vocal than the Punjabi Pakistanis the most influential group in Pakistan. Obviously they learnt lessons the hard way but had they not figured it out eventually, can you imagine? West Bengal is already a mismanaged state that has not lived up to its potential given the rich culture of Bengal and has its share of violence and now add the Bangladeshi rabid types,India would have been messed up. It was probably a pretty good wake up call as since 1971 Bangladesh did make more progress than Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

Pakistan, present india are also artificial constructs. I don't have any issue if India splits into several more countries

Yep that’s how it should be. A Tamil or Marathi has nothing to do with Bengali

 

[desirous of desire]

Thank you Quaid! We are not what you envisioned us to be yet. We have failed to achieve your dream for us but we will reach there one day insha-ALLAH.

 

[Local.Dada]

Yep that’s how it should be. A Tamil or Marathi has nothing to do with Bengali

May be the attempt of unifying of all Muslims inadvertently unified the rest of India (to some extent obviously) because the whole concept was how Muslims couldn’t co exist with Hindus. I mean a Tamil Muslim would he be more comfortable with a fellow Tamilian or say a Muslim from KPK?

Only later we found out about 1971 that ethnic and linguistic lines trump religion.

Even today that’s what puts a dampener on the Kashmir issue. Had India been split up on ethnic lines, Kashmiris would have a irrefutable point but today they are using the Muslim card or Muslim demography which just looks very archaic in 2020 as that boat has long sailed.

 

[Bewal Express]

May Allah bless our Quaid, its because of him that we are free today. I just hope we can live up to his vision of PK for all.

 

[gani999]

Yeah thank you Jinnah.

Partition was one of the better things that have happened to India in the last few centuries or so. Could have been even better if not for all the bloodshed on both sides in the process.

I just can't imagine the chaos in an undivided post independence India. We/our predecessors may have dodged a full blown bloody civil war thanks to Jinnah sahab.

Couldn't agree more.
A unified India would have been like another Lebanon, with the country divided into green and blue zones. Muslim and Hindu/Sikh/Christian militias would have been sniping at each other from the rooftops all over the country.

Mr.Jinnah was a true visionary and India cannot thank him enough.

 

[Buffet]

Instead of thanking him, we need to apologize to him. The Pakistan that he had in mind is nothing like the Pakistan today.

He never wanted a Muslim state dominated by military rule and no tolerance for minorities.

Military rule was an accident, but no tolerance for minorities was somewhat predictable. I think 99 out of 100 times result will be the same when it comes to no tolerance for the minority. Nothing to do with Pakistan, just a natural outcome.

If you form a country for blacks because you think blacks can not live and prosper with whites then what is the probability that the new country will have tolerance for whites? I think the probability will be very low. Sure, it's not zero and I hope it's not zero.

Nation, ethnicity, language, etc all have been changing constantly and it will keep changing. Some will change slow and some will change fast.

I personally think 10-12 states coming out of British India would have helped the region develop faster and it would have been better for people in the region. Too big or too small can be a problem, but the region was big enough for 10-12 states to operate independently.

 

[syed abbas]

I actually agree with you on this.

But I am also glad I have a place where we can practice our religion with freedom. Its not perfect. Nothing is.

Are you sure that we can practise our religion with freedom?The misuse of blasphemy laws,various fatwas declaring minorities as non- Muslims and attacks on mosques have made even the lives Muslims insecure in a country supposed to be created for Muslims.

 

[Bewal Express]

Instead of thanking him, we need to apologize to him. The Pakistan that he had in mind is nothing like the Pakistan today.

He never wanted a Muslim state dominated by military rule and no tolerance for minorities.

You conveniently forgot the family dynasties that looted with both hands and you support. Even when you make a fair point your dishonest.

 

[syed abbas]

May Allah bless our Quaid, its because of him that we are free today. I just hope we can live up to his vision of PK for all.

We are not free;we are mentally chained and enslaved.

 

[Bewal Express]

We are not free;we are mentally chained and enslaved.

You can say that for any set of people. It would have been a lot worse if PK hadn't been created. My dad was born in 1926, he lived under British rule and Dogra, if you said to him it was better under those, he would have smacked you.

 

[Bigboii]

Modi definitely changed people's perspective on partition...

My grandfather moved from some random village in UP and he never liked the concept of partition and cursed Me. Jinnah for most of his life for all the suffering he believed he caused to him

To understand his POV you need to understand his personal trauma
His reasoning was that they were a rich land owning class in UP and because of partition they were pushed out because of violence

-Most of his family died while trying to reach the punjab border, he was one of the few survivors
- They were dead broke in Pakistan and received basically nothing
- His health was always unstable throughout his life because during partition he was forced to eat some really muddied water rice and other equally disgusting things to survive

So for him Mr. Jinnah was a war criminal of sort who took everything away from and millions of others

But later in Life during Modi years he realized that Mr.Jinnah was right
It may not be perfect but we have the freedom to practice our religious liberties to the fullest

But saying that I am sure some people from both sides who suffered in partition would hold him personally responsible for all the trauma they suffered

But know without the baggage of partition we are realizing his greatness

 

[The Viper]

Nation celebrates Quaid's 144th birth anniversary amid messages of 'hope and courage' from leaders

The nation is celebrating the 144th birth anniversary of the founder of Pakistan, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, on Friday with traditional zeal and fervour.

Mr Jinnah was born on December 25, 1876, in Karachi. The birth anniversary is a public holiday and the national flag was hoisted on principal government buildings throughout the country.

The day dawned with special prayers for the security, progress and prosperity of the country, while a change of guards ceremony also took place at the Mazar-i-Quaid in Karachi.

Sindh Governor Imran Ismail and Chief Minister Murad Ali Shah visited the Quaid's mausoleum where they offered Fateha and laid floral wreaths together

Special events are being arranged to highlight and promote the ideas and views of the Quaid-i-Azam during the day.

'Renewed national spirit'
In their separate messages to the nation on the occasion, the top political leaders urged the people to follow in the footsteps of the Quaid in all walks of life and hold on to "courage and hope" while coping with the difficulties of the coronavirus pandemic.

In his message, Prime Minister Imran Khan paid tribute to Jinnah, saying: "In the modern history of mankind, there are a few people who garnered such a wide popularity as our Quaid did. His determination to carve a nation out of chaos and relentless deprivation was miraculous and insuperable against all odds and challenges."

He urged the nation to "pay a befitting homage to our great Quaid by following his footsteps in all walks of our lives.

"Let us live the Quaid's ideals of Unity, Faith and Discipline with a renewed national spirit so that we make this country rise above all seen and unseen challenges."

President Arif Alvi in his message said "we should reaffirm our commitment to building a state that respects the diversity of its people and provides equal opportunities to its citizens irrespective of their religion, caste, creed or colour," Radio Pakistan reported.

He asked the nation to also remember people of Indian-occupied Kashmir on this occasion, who he said "are being subjected to the worst kind of state terrorism for over seven decades".

https://www.dawn.com/news/1597767/n...mid-messages-of-hope-and-courage-from-leaders

 

[Hornbill]

Yep that’s how it should be. A Tamil or Marathi has nothing to do with Bengali

But reality is different marathis, tamils, bengalis, manipuris, kashmiris,biharis are interdependent so I think artificial ties will continue as long it's mutually beneficial for them.

 

[ElRaja]

Was a visionary and saved many lives, it took nearly 70 years for ppl to understand he was right all along. pak may have many problems, but they aren't due to him.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Was a visionary and saved many lives, it took nearly 70 years for ppl to understand he was right all along. pak may have many problems, but they aren't due to him.

People should stop looking for justification of TNT by what happens in india. As if there was no BJP, then Q-e-A would be proved wrong? Q-e-A was right about muslims and hindus being incompatible. He didn't say they are enemies. He believed this not by seeing 70 years into the future, but what happened in 1939.

 

[ElRaja]

People should stop looking for justification of TNT by what happens in india. As if there was no BJP, then Q-e-A would be proved wrong? Q-e-A was right about muslims and hindus being incompatible. He didn't say they are enemies. He believed this not by seeing 70 years into the future, but what happened in 1939.

its just a matter of fact that jinnah speculated that hindus would dominate political power in a united India. he was right, no point debating hypothetical of the bjp coming to power or not.

 

[CricketCartoons]

its just a matter of fact that jinnah speculated that hindus would dominate political power in a united India. he was right, no point debating hypothetical of the bjp coming to power or not.

But you are using bjp coming to power as a justification of his theory. Quote me anywhere where he predicted about the future, and not based on 1937 when election was dominated by congress and local muslims parties (Muslim League won only 25% of the seats which were reserved for muslims).

and let us humour you by assuming it was not 1937 but the future which he could see (you still need to prove it), it is logically flawed to use the reaction caused by reducing one ingredient by 2/3rd in the mixture to predict what would have happened if the ingredient was in original composition.

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

Interesting discussion. But if you look at the statistics it is clearer who had been more religiously tolerant.

First of all India is a secular republic not based on any single religion although 80% of the country are Hindus.

Secondly India has about 15% of Muslim population and has second largest Muslim population by count after Indonesia even more than Pakistan.

If you see the people who have achieved great highs in India, there are so many Muslims who were considered super stars and visionaries like Shah Rukh Khan, Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam. In India if you have talent you can achieve, irrespective of what religion you are from. Can you say the same in Pakistan?

To be honest religion is just a way of life and very personal thing, living together in a society respecting each other and caring for each other is the only way we humans can survive.

Peace

 

[rockyboy2018]

I think Modi is just following in the steps of Mr.Jinnah and implementing 2 nation theory into action. To be honest, both Hindus and Muslims have different ways of living dictated by their religions. Those Indian Muslims should have emigrated to Pakistan a long time ago whatever treatment they are getting from hardcore politicians they are equally accountable for it. To be honest, the hindus have the right to run their country the way they seem fit and it should not be a matter of Pakistanis at all. Similarly, Pakistani muslims want to make Pakistan the next medina and deface the graveyard of non muslims like Dr.Abdus Salam. That's how Pakistani muslims make their land the next medina so be it - it should not concern Indians at all.

 

[BreadPakoda]

People should stop looking for justification of TNT by what happens in india. As if there was no BJP, then Q-e-A would be proved wrong? Q-e-A was right about muslims and hindus being incompatible. He didn't say they are enemies. He believed this not by seeing 70 years into the future, but what happened in 1939.

Not only Hindus. Mostly incompatible with other religions as well. As a minority, I would like to thank Mr. Jinnah too.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

I am not a textbook patriotic person and may never become one but there's a lot of love I have for this land that Jinnah and our forefathers/mothers managed to carve through. I believe Jinnah's vision was never implemented because the British split provinces resulting in mass migrations and the violence that ensued ended the dream of Hindustan and Pakistan having friendly relationships akin to Canada and the USA.

I hope Pakistan soon becomes a country where the privileged elite is unable to exploit the weak and helpless. A state where everyone is equal in front of the law no matter who they are and what their background is.

May Muhammad Ali Jinnah get his due reward in his afterlife and may we all be able to play our small parts in making Pakistan the greatest and not just one of the greatest nations to exist in the world. Ameen.

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

I am not a textbook patriotic person and may never become one but there's a lot of love I have for this land that Jinnah and our forefathers/mothers managed to carve through. I believe Jinnah's vision was never implemented because the British split provinces resulting in mass migrations and the violence that ensued ended the dream of Hindustan and Pakistan having friendly relationships akin to Canada and the USA.

I hope Pakistan soon becomes a country where the privileged elite is unable to exploit the weak and helpless. A state where everyone is equal in front of the law no matter who they are and what their background is.

May Muhammad Ali Jinnah get his due reward in his afterlife and may we all be able to play our small parts in making Pakistan the greatest and not just one of the greatest nations to exist in the world. Ameen.

As an Indian I do hope India and Pakistan has the relationship like US and Canada, France and Germany or Australia and New Zealand, helping each other to grow economically and making the life of people better. But instead we are just busy in blaming each other for political mileage!

It’s sometime funny to think how Pakistan and China are allies and India and US? When naturally it would be the Indian sub continent which has lot more in common than different

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not only Hindus. Mostly incompatible with other religions as well. As a minority, I would like to thank Mr. Jinnah too.

Only if you are a minority who migrated from West or East Pakistan, then you have reasons to be thankful. Otherwise you should resent the dilution of the muslim population from UP, which is the key state to send bjp to power.

 

[Tubs]

"You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan ... You may belong to any religion or caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the State ... I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State."

Oh, what's that? Separation of church and state? Quaid-i-Azam wanted that himself, but apparently secularism is such a bad, 'Western' thing according to some people on this forum.

A great man. What a shame that Pakistan turned out nothing like he wanted.

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

"You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan ... You may belong to any religion or caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the State ... I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State."

Oh, what's that? Separation of church and state? Quaid-i-Azam wanted that himself, but apparently secularism is such a bad, 'Western' thing according to some people on this forum.

A great man. What a shame that Pakistan turned out nothing like he wanted.

A beautiful quote! Is it really said by him? If yes, my respect for this man has multiplied.

 

[Tubs]

A beautiful quote! Is it really said by him? If yes, my respect for this man has multiplied.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_jinnah_assembly_1947.html

Here's the full speech, this part starts from [7] and finishes in [8], and the whole quote is even better. He truly was a great man, and if Pakistan followed his thought process it'd be a much better place than it is today.

 

[ElRaja]

But you are using bjp coming to power as a justification of his theory. Quote me anywhere where he predicted about the future, and not based on 1937 when election was dominated by congress and local muslims parties (Muslim League won only 25% of the seats which were reserved for muslims).

and let us humour you by assuming it was not 1937 but the future which he could see (you still need to prove it), it is logically flawed to use the reaction caused by reducing one ingredient by 2/3rd in the mixture to predict what would have happened if the ingredient was in original composition.

i said he was speculating, not saying that he predicted the future, leave the straw man aside

Muslim India cannot accept any constitution which must necessarily result in a Hindu majority government. Hindus and Muslims brought together under a democratic system forced upon the minorities can only mean Hindu Raj.

the actual mix of the populations is irrelevant, if anything a greater majority, and virtually no threat of muslim's wielding political influence should have meant less motivation for hindus to vote on religious lines, but quite ostensibly, that's not the case.

 

[saeedhk]

A great man whose brainchild has become exactly what he never wanted it to become - a corrupt and poor place where extremists are running amok and where minorities are treated like garbage.

 

[Mamoon]

A beautiful quote! Is it really said by him? If yes, my respect for this man has multiplied.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_jinnah_assembly_1947.html

Here's the full speech, this part starts from [7] and finishes in [8], and the whole quote is even better. He truly was a great man, and if Pakistan followed his thought process it'd be a much better place than it is today.

He also had the following message for the military of Pakistan:

“Do not forget that the armed forces are the servants of the people. You do not make national policy; it is we, the civilians, who decide these issues and it is your duty to carry out these tasks with which you are entrusted.”

Today, ironically, every military office proudly display his portrait while ignoring what he said. Not to mention the way they treated his sister.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He also had the following message for the military of Pakistan:

“Do not forget that the armed forces are the servants of the people. You do not make national policy; it is we, the civilians, who decide these issues and it is your duty to carry out these tasks with which you are entrusted.”

Today, ironically, every military office proudly display his portrait while ignoring what he said. Not to mention the way they treated his sister.

I think Jinnah would still have a better opinion of the armed forces compared to the views of some Pakistanis. The armed forces arent perfect but have saved Pakistan from a potential destructive proxy war inside the borders. Many gave their lives, Jinnah would be proud along with the way the air force retaliated against India after their incursion and attack on our trees. He would be disgusted with those living in Pakistan still believing it shouldnt have been created, supporting India extremists in power, going against Kashmiris who are suffering. Irony is an interesting word you use.

 

[Bigboii]

I think Modi is just following in the steps of Mr.Jinnah and implementing 2 nation theory into action. To be honest, both Hindus and Muslims have different ways of living dictated by their religions. Those Indian Muslims should have emigrated to Pakistan a long time ago whatever treatment they are getting from hardcore politicians they are equally accountable for it. To be honest, the hindus have the right to run their country the way they seem fit and it should not be a matter of Pakistanis at all. Similarly, Pakistani muslims want to make Pakistan the next medina and deface the graveyard of non muslims like Dr.Abdus Salam. That's how Pakistani muslims make their land the next medina so be it - it should not concern Indians at all.

Thier reasoning for not leaving and why some left

 

[Bigboii]

As an Indian I do hope India and Pakistan has the relationship like US and Canada, France and Germany or Australia and New Zealand, helping each other to grow economically and making the life of people better. But instead we are just busy in blaming each other for political mileage!

It’s sometime funny to think how Pakistan and China are allies and India and US? When naturally it would be the Indian sub continent which has lot more in common than different ��

People to people relationship is like that of NZ or Australia there's no hate for "indians" the people atleast when meeting in person

So there's hope but that feeling was also there for 70 years but it didn't achieve peace between the two countries so there's also not hope

Only Kashmir can solve this issue nothing else

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

People to people relationship is like that of NZ or Australia there's no hate for "indians" the people atleast when meeting in person

So there's hope but that feeling was also there for 70 years but it didn't achieve peace between the two countries so there's also not hope

Only Kashmir can solve this issue nothing else

I totally agree with you in Europe I have many Pakistani friends, actually have even went for dinner, played cricket together and prepared for exams together. It’s funny to understand on human level how similar we are. But geo political level it’s totally a different scenario.

If you think about it rationally both India and Pakistan do not gain much solving Kashmir issue, but both has lots of political and economic mileage to gain prolonging and blaming each other and speaking about Kashmir as melting point of the issue, truly speaking it is not. It is just a “pawn” in between much bigger things which are at stake.

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

This is also the reason why Kashmir issue is not resolved in 60 years yet, and no hope for it to be resolved in near future until both countries have political mileage to gain from it

 

[guna]

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A great man whose loss was felt deeply in the years after independence as the country moved away from his vision.

Jinnah’s vision was shortsighted. His intentions may have been for a Majority Muslim democracy. Being a smart man, he should have known that it would not work. Sooner or later, the clerics would take over the country.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Jinnah’s vision was shortsighted. His intentions may have been for a Majority Muslim democracy. Being a smart man, he should have known that it would not work. Sooner or later, the clerics would take over the country.

When did this happen? Are you suggesting Imran and PTI is a party of clerics? lol

 

[guna]

When did this happen? Are you suggesting Imran and PTI is a party of clerics? lol

What I wanted to say is that religion is playing too much role in Pakistan. Mr. Jinnah only wanted a homeland for Indian Muslims.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What I wanted to say is that religion is playing too much role in Pakistan. Mr. Jinnah only wanted a homeland for Indian Muslims.

Pakistan has never elected a hardline religious party, the biggest one present atm will never come to power. Nothing wrong with religion playing a role, Pakistan constituation is based on Islamic faith. The issue would be if religous extremists came into power but so far it's only happened in India, so Jinnah was actually a genius knowing this would happen later on.

 

[gani999]

I think Modi is just following in the steps of Mr.Jinnah and implementing 2 nation theory into action. To be honest, both Hindus and Muslims have different ways of living dictated by their religions. Those Indian Muslims should have emigrated to Pakistan a long time ago whatever treatment they are getting from hardcore politicians they are equally accountable for it. To be honest, the hindus have the right to run their country the way they seem fit and it should not be a matter of Pakistanis at all. Similarly, Pakistani muslims want to make Pakistan the next medina and deface the graveyard of non muslims like Dr.Abdus Salam. That's how Pakistani muslims make their land the next medina so be it - it should not concern Indians at all.

The so-called 'Leftist intellectual' Congressis and their soundrel Communist brethren were implementing the two nation theory in independent India way before Modi even entered politics. Under the garb of so-called 'secularism', they have created rifts between Hindus and Muslims in India while basically ignoring the welfare of both communities. Now Hindus, Muslims and everyone else in India has seen through their game.

 

[ahmedzee]

Jinnah’s vision was shortsighted. His intentions may have been for a Majority Muslim democracy. Being a smart man, he should have known that it would not work. Sooner or later, the clerics would take over the country.

The things you think are not actual facts. In the history of Pakistan no cleric has ruled. Please try reading the actual history instead of relying on republic tv as your sources.

 

[Madplayer]

Jinnah’s vision was shortsighted. His intentions may have been for a Majority Muslim democracy. Being a smart man, he should have known that it would not work. Sooner or later, the clerics would take over the country.

Your post makes no sense when Pakistan hasnt elected a religious party yet. While Indians have elected a hindutva party in the centre and also in some states like Maharashtra. Indians even elected terrorists like Sadhvi pragya to power.
Just goes to show how wrong the perception of Indians towards themselves is lol

 

[ftbno1]

Direct action day!!

On 16 August 1947 Mr. Mohd. Ali Jinnah called for direct action declaring that he would accept either a divided India or destroyed India. This spaked riots in Kolkata and became precursor to partition riots.
How does Pakistani's view his role in riots. Did he ever regretted his action
Was killing of thousands necessary for partition which was in any case authorized by British??

 

[CricketCartoons]

On 16 August 1947 Mr. Mohd. Ali Jinnah called for direct action declaring that he would accept either a divided India or destroyed India. This spaked riots in Kolkata and became precursor to partition riots.
How does Pakistani's view his role in riots. Did he ever regretted his action
Was killing of thousands necessary for partition which was in any case authorized by British??

DAD was planned as a protest against british. It went out of control and became a riot.

 

[guna]

Looking at Pakistan, Indians should be thankful to Jinnah for taking out all religious nuts from India.

 

[guna]

Your post makes no sense when Pakistan hasnt elected a religious party yet. While Indians have elected a hindutva party in the centre and also in some states like Maharashtra. Indians even elected terrorists like Sadhvi pragya to power.
Just goes to show how wrong the perception of Indians towards themselves is lol

Every party that ruled Pakistan is a rightwing religious party. It's just a matter of how far the right goes.

So don't give me that nonsense that Pakistan never elected a religious party.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Looking at Pakistan, Indians should be thankful to Jinnah for taking out all religious nuts from India.

Lol as if india doesn’t have a problem anymore. You guys literally have a riot every year and are a total basket case these days.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Every party that ruled Pakistan is a rightwing religious party. It's just a matter of how far the right goes.

So don't give me that nonsense that Pakistan never elected a religious party.

You clearly don’t know much about Pakistani politics if that’s your claim

 

[guna]

You clearly don’t know much about Pakistani politics if that’s your claim

All of your PTI, PML would be considered right wing in India. Pakistan never had a party like Congress that is ultra left.

 

[guna]

Lol as if india doesn’t have a problem anymore. You guys literally have a riot every year and are a total basket case these days.

Riots happen in India. But never will a religious outfit run riot on the streets and force their foreign policy on the Government and bring the Government to its knees. We also do not have Blasphemy laws and do not stamp Ahmedis as non-muslims.

India needs to get 10 times worse as it is right now to even compare with Pakistan.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Riots happen in India. But never will a religious outfit run riot on the streets and force their foreign policy on the Government and bring the Government to its knees. We also do not have Blasphemy laws and do not stamp Ahmedis as non-muslims.

India needs to get 10 times worse as it is right now to even compare with Pakistan.

Yet you have had issues with every religious minority whether it be Sikhs or Muslims. And Hindus also think they are in danger. And obv
riots are a yearly occurrence. Religious parties take law in own hands and demolish 500 year old religious sites...Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

All of your PTI, PML would be considered right wing in India. Pakistan never had a party like Congress that is ultra left.

PTI and PML-N are considered right wing lol.

PPP, ANP etc are more left wing.

And in any case doesn’t even matter what is considered right or left in India which is confused on this to begin with.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Instead of thanking him, we need to apologize to him. The Pakistan that he had in mind is nothing like the Pakistan today.

He never wanted a Muslim state dominated by military rule and no tolerance for minorities.

Over the past few decades, no doubt that the religion's name has been used for political reasons. And this brings us to my point, which I think is a bigger problem than how minorities are dealt with in the recent times.

I attended a Christian Missionary School in Peshawar. We had a huge population of Christian Students. The teaching staff was about 80% Christians, and our principal was always from England.
There was a great harmony among the faiths. I think there still is except of some pockets of ugly news that we hear once in while.
In our Islamic Study class, the Christians students were exempted. They had their own class. There was a Church attached to our school, and as kids, we used to go in the Church with our Christian class mates every day. We used to run around and play in the Church. There was no concept of any difference of any type. I still have Christian friends in Pakistan from that era.

And then, our home was located next to an Imam Bargah.
The owners/resident family of Imam Bargah, and the females of their family used to come to our home without any announcement. And we used to play in street with their male kids. We were just like siblings. Never felt any difference.

I am sure there are still such examples that are quite common in Pakistan.

Yes, some political mullahs who are a wolf in a sheep's skin, have instigated Shia/Sunni hate, and some other Jahil Mullahs have brain washed some facets into thinking that every non-Muslim should be converted into Islam, because the shortest and easiest route to attain Jannah is to convert someone into Islam. This kinda ignorance does exist, but I think there are still quite a few sensible people left.

My reason to apologize from Quaid is the ASTRONOMICAL amount of corruption that we are swimming in now. The amount of this corruption has reached to a point where instead of being looked as an ill factor of the society, it's now a necessity.

I remember reading a "Zaroorat-e-rishta" add in a newspaper, where it was stated that boy works in customs. His salary is Rs 25,000 and then "Auper ki kamayee" is Rs 50,000.

I mean, you are OPENLY ADVERTISING bribery and thumping your chest in a sense of achievement and a privilege.

Corruption and dishonesty, is now looked upon as an honor instead of a shame.

This is how deeply we are buried in this laanut.

In the supposedly "ISLAMIC" republic of Pakistan, it's almost impossible to earn halal money and survive on it.

Had Quaid been alive today, he would be ashamed of us.

 

[Bigboii]

PTI and PML-N are considered right wing lol.

PPP, ANP etc are more left wing.

And in any case doesn’t even matter what is considered right or left in India which is confused on this to begin with.

Bhutto preached sociolism...

 

[Bigboii]

Looking at Pakistan, Indians should be thankful to Jinnah for taking out all religious nuts from India.

Thanks we're all happy too especially when we know how people who stayed back in india are treated...

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Bhutto preached sociolism...

Socialism is left wing ideology