Thank you Mr. Jinnah for the gift of Pakistan

[Bigboii]

Socialism is left wing ideology

Was streghnthning your case...

 

[srh]

All 3 major parties of Pakistan (PTI, PML-N and PPP) are considered centrist nowadays. PTI and PML-N were always centrist, PPP was left initially but nowadays it is also centrist.
The 2 small left parties (ANP and MQM) are really ethnicity based. Pakistan is missing a real left party.
There are 3 small right parties (JUI-F, JI, TL).

 

[PakLFC]

As much as I love and respect the Quaid after him we have not found a man of equal intelligence or integrity. Thought IK would be the man but he has greatly disappointed yet i remain hopeful that a hero will sooner or later arrive when we as a people are worthy off it. "Jaisi awaam waise hukmuran" as they say, Allah only sends leaders that the people are worthy off. Leaders are a reflection of the people.

 

[Local.Dada]

I wonder if he were still alive, how Mr.Jinnah would feel about the fact that while across the border his counterpart Nehru’s descendants including even the incompetent ones have ruled the country or are still major power players in Indian politics.

On the other hand his family on the daughter’s side is one of the wealthiest families in India that employs thousands of Indians including Hindus and Indian Muslims.

His sister who was his close confidant was marginalized and don’t want to get into conspiracy theories of how she died but I guess marginalized is a pretty obvious fact.

Without even getting into political,economic debate wonder on a personal note if he would be too stoked about this. Honest question.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I wonder if he were still alive, how Mr.Jinnah would feel about the fact that while across the border his counterpart Nehru’s descendants including even the incompetent ones have ruled the country or are still major power players in Indian politics.

I would think he wouldn’t mind and for this specifically may be glad since he never wanted his family to have some birthright over the country.

 

[Bigboii]

I wonder if he were still alive, how Mr.Jinnah would feel about the fact that while across the border his counterpart Nehru’s descendants including even the incompetent ones have ruled the country or are still major power players in Indian politics.

On the other hand his family on the daughter’s side is one of the wealthiest families in India that employs thousands of Indians including Hindus and Indian Muslims.

His sister who was his close confidant was marginalized and don’t want to get into conspiracy theories of how she died but I guess marginalized is a pretty obvious fact.

Without even getting into political,economic debate wonder on a personal note if he would be too stoked about this. Honest question.

Hell no!
Why would he, he is adored by more than 200 millions people, he built a nation.out.of nothing

I don't any achievement in life can be comparable to what he did - he is in the elite group of human beings and his name will be remembered for centries.to come

That's the gravity of what he achoved

 

[Local.Dada]

Hell no!
Why would he, he is adored by more than 200 millions people, he built a nation.out.of nothing

I don't any achievement in life can be comparable to what he did - he is in the elite group of human beings and his name will be remembered for centries.to come

That's the gravity of what he achoved

My post was not disputing Jinnah’s accomplishments. How have Pakistanis thanked him was my question?

His Family I mentioned above.

His Mother tounge of Gujarati is a non entity

He was actually a descendant from Hindus, however most Pakistanis see themselves as Arabs and Turks. So by marginalizing other ethnicities doesn’t help his legacy either. I mean by common definition if my understanding of the word is correct, isn’t he a Muhajir?

Didnt the Nobel Prize winner get driven away from Pakistan as well? I am sure you and a few others respect him too. How does that help.

My question is how are Pakistanis thanking Jinnah? In India no one thanks Nehru, in fact people criticize him or defend him that’s about it. So how are they expressing gratitude is my question.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

My post was not disputing Jinnah’s accomplishments. How have Pakistanis thanked him was my question?

His Family I mentioned above.

His Mother tounge of Gujarati is a non entity

He was actually a descendant from Hindus, however most Pakistanis see themselves as Arabs and Turks. So by marginalizing other ethnicities doesn’t help his legacy either. I mean by common definition if my understanding of the word is correct, isn’t he a Muhajir?

Didnt the Nobel Prize winner get driven away from Pakistan as well? I am sure you and a few others respect him too. How does that help.

My question is how are Pakistanis thanking Jinnah? In India no one thanks Nehru, in fact people criticize him or defend him that’s about it. So how are they expressing gratitude is my question.

Nobel prize is a geopolitical meme. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

Pakistanis are collectively ashamed whenever they compare vision of Jinnah/Iqbal to actual Pakistan (at least, in my opinion, they should be).

That said, our main issue is internal corruption, which at least is past 10 years people are starting to talk about.

Thanks to Imran Khan.

In 2021s Pakistanis are starting to openly question corrupt politicians, military, bureaucrats and Mullahs. This is a massive achievement. I believe it will have an exponential growth effect in upcoming years. Fingers crossed.

Oh, and we are infinitely better than likes of India or Israel who are murdering Kashmiris and Palestinians on a daily basis. No blood on our hands.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

His Mother tounge of Gujarati is a non entity

Jinnah advocated Urdu as the offical language of Pakistan and not Gujarti.

He was actually a descendant from Hindus, however most Pakistanis see themselves as Arabs and Turks. So by marginalizing other ethnicities doesn’t help his legacy either. I mean by common definition if my understanding of the word is correct, isn’t he a Muhajir?

He was from a family that was Muslim for generations.

My question is how are Pakistanis thanking Jinnah? In India no one thanks Nehru, in fact people criticize him or defend him that’s about it. So how are they expressing gratitude is my question.

He is considered the father of the nation. Hundreds of things are named after him, including Karachi Airport.

And no one criticizes him in Pakistan unlike Nehru in India.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

On the other hand his family on the daughter’s side is one of the wealthiest families in India that employs thousands of Indians including Hindus and Indian Muslims.

That daughter was disowned. Neither she or her descendants are part of his family.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

On 16 August 1947 Mr. Mohd. Ali Jinnah called for direct action declaring that he would accept either a divided India or destroyed India. This spaked riots in Kolkata and became precursor to partition riots.
How does Pakistani's view his role in riots. Did he ever regretted his action
Was killing of thousands necessary for partition which was in any case authorized by British??

This was not the first riot Muslim Hindu riot in India. Nor was it the last. There have been dozens after the British left where the victims were predominantly Muslim.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Looking at Pakistan, Indians should be thankful to Jinnah for taking out all religious nuts from India.

Pakistan was created by liberal Muslims. The hard line religious groups opposed the creation of the state, and called Jinnah a Kaafir.

Why not say it openly, that Indians should be thankful to Jinnah as their are now less Muslims in India. Or do you somehow believe that Indian Muslims are more liberal than Pakistani ones?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

All of your PTI, PML would be considered right wing in India. Pakistan never had a party like Congress that is ultra left.

Do you know Indian Muslims pre 1947 considered Congress a right wing party? This is why they wanted separate electorates, as they did not trust Congress, which they viewed as a Hindu party.

Indian Muslims now have to choose between Congress and BJP, so yea Congress looks way better to them. But if they were the majority, the majority of them would never vote for Congress.

 

[Hitman]

Nobel prize is a geopolitical meme. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

Pakistanis are collectively ashamed whenever they compare vision of Jinnah/Iqbal to actual Pakistan (at least, in my opinion, they should be).

That said, our main issue is internal corruption, which at least is past 10 years people are starting to talk about.

Thanks to Imran Khan.

In 2021s Pakistanis are starting to openly question corrupt politicians, military, bureaucrats and Mullahs. This is a massive achievement. I believe it will have an exponential growth effect in upcoming years. Fingers crossed.

Oh, and we are infinitely better than likes of India or Israel who are murdering Kashmiris and Palestinians on a daily basis. No blood on our hands.

Really? Operation Searchlight rings a bell?

 

[Bigboii]

Pakistan was created by liberal Muslims. The hard line religious groups opposed the creation of the state, and called Jinnah a Kaafir.

Why not say it openly, that Indians should be thankful to Jinnah as their are now less Muslims in India. Or do you somehow believe that Indian Muslims are more liberal than Pakistani ones?

The biggest hater of the very idea of Pakistan (perhaps even more than Congress) was

Deoband a leading muslim fiqh for SC muslims...

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The biggest hater of the very idea of Pakistan (perhaps even more than Congress) was

Deoband a leading muslim fiqh for SC muslims...

Mullahs still hate the very idea of Pakistan.

And it is easy to comprehend, because if there were no separation then they wouldn't have to struggle to get any votes. They could easily use the "we the Muslims vs them Kafirs" card and get elected i.e.: live like kings. (Same thing BJP is doing in India).

But in Pakistan no one (rightly) votes for them, as people are through their lies.

Diesel's father tried the hardest to stop creation of Pakistan.

I don't think we Pakistanis will ever fully appreciate the Blessing from Allah SWT Pakistan is.

 

[Local.Dada]

That daughter was disowned. Neither she or her descendants are part of his family.

I think I knew that. Worked out well for her and India as well though, the family she married into is one of the richest business families of India generating employment. Had she moved to Pakistan not sure how it would have worked for her. It can only be speculation though.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

My post was not disputing Jinnah’s accomplishments. How have Pakistanis thanked him was my question?

His Family I mentioned above.

His Mother tounge of Gujarati is a non entity

He was actually a descendant from Hindus, however most Pakistanis see themselves as Arabs and Turks. So by marginalizing other ethnicities doesn’t help his legacy either. I mean by common definition if my understanding of the word is correct, isn’t he a Muhajir?

Didnt the Nobel Prize winner get driven away from Pakistan as well? I am sure you and a few others respect him too. How does that help.

My question is how are Pakistanis thanking Jinnah? In India no one thanks Nehru, in fact people criticize him or defend him that’s about it. So how are they expressing gratitude is my question.

We often hear this from Indian posters, but is it based on anything other than your own ingrained opinion? Can you back that up with any substance from an independent source?

 

[PakLFC]

I don't think Indian's have made their country what Gandhi wanted for it to be. The RSS hate Gandhi celebrating his assassination. The party of Gandhi's killer rules India today.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

He was actually a descendant from Hindus, however most Pakistanis see themselves as Arabs and Turks. So by marginalizing other ethnicities doesn’t help his legacy either. I mean by common definition if my understanding of the word is correct, isn’t he a Muhajir?

I’ve literally never heard this except by Indians

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/15/cabinet-office-blocks-publication-of-lord-mountbattens-diaries

When the diaries and letters of Lord and Lady Mountbatten were “saved for the nation” in 2010, it should have created an invaluable public resource. Instead, a writer has spent four years and £250,000 of his own money in an ongoing – but still frustrated – attempt to force Southampton University and the Cabinet Office to allow the public to view them.

The university bought the Broadlands archive, named after the Mountbattens’ Grade I-listed house, for £2.8m in 2010, attracting funding by stating it would “preserve the collection in its entirety for future generations to use and enjoy” and “ensure public access”.

However, Andrew Lownie, the author of a 2019 book about the Mountbattens, has been fighting unsuccessfully since 2017 for their correspondence and diaries to be released. This is despite freedom of information (FoI) requests and an order by the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) that the material be released.

The university has said it was directed by the government to keep a small number of the papers private until told otherwise. “They’ve spent hundreds of thousands of pounds and brought in two top QCs, and this fight has been going on for four years so I can only imagine there’s something [interesting] there otherwise why would they bother?” said Lownie.

Lownie began his quest when researching his book. Although it has since been published, he is determined to continue the fight, and is now trying to raise £50,000 on Crowdjustice to help fight an appeal by the university and Cabinet Office against the ICO decision.

The academic believes the documents could shed light on the royal family and the independence and partition of India. Lord Mountbatten was the uncle of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, confidant of Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor) and the last Viceroy of India, while Lady Mountbatten had a close relationship with the Indian leader Jawarhalal Nehru.

He said: “I just feel what they’re doing is wrong … And they just think they’ve got deeper pockets and they can just see me off. And this is why I’m hoping I can at least shame them and maybe we can get the release of these diaries, which I think are important sources for any 20th-century story but also we can make the point that this is not the way that governments and universities should behave … This is opening up, what potentially could be another Chips Channon diaries [which contained scandalous revelations about the powerful in interwar London] for other historians.”

The university bought the archive, which also included the papers of the Victorian prime minister Lord Palmerston, with the help of grants of almost £2m from the National Heritage Memorial Fund and £100,000 from Hampshire county council. It was also subject to the “acceptance in lieu” scheme under which art works and archives are accepted by the nation in lieu of inheritance tax, taking the total cost to about £4.5m, according to Lownie.

When he found omissions relating to the Mountbattens from the university’s inventory, he made an FoI request but the university refused to release the materials, citing a Cabinet Office power of veto under a ministerial direction. After he complained to the ICO, it contacted the university, which failed to respond for 12 months, prompting the commissioner, in the interim, to issue what it described as “unprecedented” contempt of court proceedings against the university because it “continues to flout its statutory duty”.

After the university responded, in December 2019, the ICO ordered it to publish the Mountbattens’ diaries and letters. An appeal against that decision is due to be heard at the first tier tribunal in November.

At a case management hearing in March, lawyers for the university said it intended to release Mountbattens’ diaries up to 1934 in early April. But this was only done on Thursday – and some of the online links appeared to be broken – the day after the Guardian approached the Cabinet Office and university about the matter.

A University of Southampton spokesperson said: “As part of the allocation of the archives in August 2011, the university was directed to keep a small number of the papers closed until we were otherwise advised. The university has always aimed to make public as much of the collection as is possible whilst balancing all its legal obligations.’’

The Cabinet Office said it would not comment while proceedings were ongoing.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Was just going through the twitter about Palestine-Israel situation and was both annoyed and baffled to see majority of Indians calling Netanyahu as some sort of savior of humanity and that India needs a PM like him and making tag team of Modi and Netanyahu and whatnot.

It was pukeworthy to read. It wasn't that those Indians hated Palestine or Pakistan, they just consider all Muslims to be terrorists. So yes, I definitely thank Jinnah for the country even though we(every pakitsani) have been giving our best to destroy it.

 

[Mamoon]

Was just going through the twitter about Palestine-Israel situation and was both annoyed and baffled to see majority of Indians calling Netanyahu as some sort of savior of humanity and that India needs a PM like him and making tag team of Modi and Netanyahu and whatnot.

It was pukeworthy to read. It wasn't that those Indians hated Palestine or Pakistan, they just consider all Muslims to be terrorists. So yes, I definitely thank Jinnah for the country even though we(every pakitsani) have been giving our best to destroy it.

M. A. Jinnah was an intelligent and pragmatic man. He was not handicapped by religious beliefs. He fought for the Muslims of subcontinent but his fight was political rather than religious.

Remember - he viewed namaz as a “good exercise” and had bacon for breakfast and wine at dinner. When he left his Bombay home, he requested Nehru not to lend it to any Muslim tenant because they would not appreciate the western architecture.

He died 4 months after the establishment of Israel. I am certain that in his personal capacity, in his own personal space, he would have been of the view that Pakistan should developed ties with Israel because it would benefit Pakistan.

Unfortunately, the masses in Pakistani do not have the intelligence and the perception to think beyond the spectrum of religion. They are handicapped by their beliefs and they do not know what is good for them and what is not.

 

[Markhor]

Thank god Pakistan had a leader like Jinnah at the time of its foundation instead of the corrupt, short sighted, backstabbing and incompetent despots that've led the Arab World. Otherwise Pakistan too would be scrambling around for a state and for basic human rights like the Palestinians.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

M. A. Jinnah was an intelligent and pragmatic man. He was not handicapped by religious beliefs. He fought for the Muslims of subcontinent but his fight was political rather than religious.

Remember - he viewed namaz as a “good exercise” and had bacon for breakfast and wine at dinner. When he left his Bombay home, he requested Nehru not to lend it to any Muslim tenant because they would not appreciate the western architecture.

He died 4 months after the establishment of Israel. I am certain that in his personal capacity, in his own personal space, he would have been of the view that Pakistan should developed ties with Israel because it would benefit Pakistan.

Unfortunately, the masses in Pakistani do not have the intelligence and the perception to think beyond the spectrum of religion. They are handicapped by their beliefs and they do not know what is good for them and what is not.

Whether Jinnah did it for religious or political reasons, I don't care. Neither do I care how religious Jinnah was or what sect did he belong to. I am just thankful for his struggle to give us an independent country.
I am not a political guy and no expert but I am pretty sure Jinnah intentionally left the telegram from Israel's PM unanswered. Unless you knew Jinnah personally or are at level with his political acumen, you can't say what he would have or would not have done. Let's just leave it to that.

I am not against Jews, i am against what Israel stands for and what it has been doing.

 

[wajid]

M. A. Jinnah was an intelligent and pragmatic man. He was not handicapped by religious beliefs. He fought for the Muslims of subcontinent but his fight was political rather than religious.

Remember - he viewed namaz as a “good exercise” and had bacon for breakfast and wine at dinner. When he left his Bombay home, he requested Nehru not to lend it to any Muslim tenant because they would not appreciate the western architecture.

He died 4 months after the establishment of Israel. I am certain that in his personal capacity, in his own personal space, he would have been of the view that Pakistan should developed ties with Israel because it would benefit Pakistan.

Unfortunately, the masses in Pakistani do not have the intelligence and the perception to think beyond the spectrum of religion. They are handicapped by their beliefs and they do not know what is good for them and what is not.

Some truth with lots of misconceptions!!

First of all, regarding Israel, he launched ZafarUllah Khan in UN!!! He and his legendary Palestine advocacy in UN is no secret.

Furthermore, his record shows that even though he might not have been a practicing Muslim, he had great sensitivity to and respect for Muslim culture, norms, concerns etc. like

1. Converting his wife to Islam before marrying,
2. breaking ties with his daughter for marrying a non-muslim,
3. representing ghazi ilm din shaheed RA,
4. Making an effort to wear sherwani and jinnah cap,
5. embracing Pakistan ka matlab kya chant,
6. stating Quran is our constitution,
7.declaring Pakistan to be a Lab of Islamic laws,
8. appointing first and only official Grand Mufti of the state,
9.his iconic figure of praying eid prayer as per hanafi way while we know he was ismaili
10. His other numerous statements and quotes etc etc...

Even if you consider the word Pakistan and its context then then is no uncertainty that it was a country founded on and for religion.

Also, I believe that harping about Quaid’s vision is completely useless as the thing that really matters is what was pitched to Indian Muslims to convince and mobilise them for the cause of Pakistan. We all know it was captured through slogans like Pakistan ka matlab kya chant. Even if one can definitively prove that ML leadership was privately secular, then at best it proves them hypocrites!

Though I believe the guy was as confused as most Muslims today. His statements and comments might seem totally contradictory today to some but I believe his VOA interview and 11th August speech in conjunction and context with his other statements can only be interpreted as

1. Hypocrisy and cheating Muslim population. ( I really don’t believe this. The guy’s character by all accounts is very strong and honest).

2. Confusion because honestly whole Muslim world is confused about its identity for last 2 centuries. Infact if you consider all of his statements including 11th August and Pakistan not being a theocracy, it is exactly the vision of today’s Jamat e Islami, Ikhwan ul Muslimoon, Turkey’s Erdogan etc...

And despite all this, liberals today also conveniently forget about the role of Allama Iqbal RA. He was claimed to be Mussawer e Pakistan. Anyone who has read kulyat e Iqbal will tell you that had Iqbal RA been alive today, he would have been most probably handed over to US for Gitmo. Iqbal RA is the most effective proponent of pan Islamic revival thought that led to all these Islamic movements that we see everywhere today.

 

[ManFan]

M. A. Jinnah was an intelligent and pragmatic man. He was not handicapped by religious beliefs. He fought for the Muslims of subcontinent but his fight was political rather than religious.

Remember - he viewed namaz as a “good exercise” and had bacon for breakfast and wine at dinner. When he left his Bombay home, he requested Nehru not to lend it to any Muslim tenant because they would not appreciate the western architecture.

He died 4 months after the establishment of Israel. I am certain that in his personal capacity, in his own personal space, he would have been of the view that Pakistan should developed ties with Israel because it would benefit Pakistan.

Unfortunately, the masses in Pakistani do not have the intelligence and the perception to think beyond the spectrum of religion. They are handicapped by their beliefs and they do not know what is good for them and what is not.

You really don’t know Jinnah, do you?

When a man in public is a legend, he begins to play the part even in private, despite the fact that it may be conflicting with his traits.

Whether it succeeds or fails, Pakistan was the First Nation-state in history to be founded on the basis of religion. There have been only two in history and coincidentally, they came EXACTLY nine months apart. (The other great coincidence of Jinnah’s life? His daughter was born on the night of August 14th and the morning of August 15th, 28 years to the day of the founding of both Pakistan and India.)

What is the identity that binds Pakistan? What is its full name? What is its flag emblem? What is its basis of founding, intellectually and practically? You know the answer.

Mr. Jinnah was a smarter man than you or I. I’m sure he knew what it stood for and what it promised (Equality for all, YES. But, the ideology of one particular religion.)

 

[Mamoon]

Some truth with lots of misconceptions!!

First of all, regarding Israel, he launched ZafarUllah Khan in UN!!! He and his legendary Palestine advocacy in UN is no secret.

Furthermore, his record shows that even though he might not have been a practicing Muslim, he had great sensitivity to and respect for Muslim culture, norms, concerns etc. like

1. Converting his wife to Islam before marrying,
2. breaking ties with his daughter for marrying a non-muslim,
3. representing ghazi ilm din shaheed RA,
4. Making an effort to wear sherwani and jinnah cap,
5. embracing Pakistan ka matlab kya chant,
6. stating Quran is our constitution,
7.declaring Pakistan to be a Lab of Islamic laws,
8. appointing first and only official Grand Mufti of the state,
9.his iconic figure of praying eid prayer as per hanafi way while we know he was ismaili
10. His other numerous statements and quotes etc etc...

Even if you consider the word Pakistan and its context then then is no uncertainty that it was a country founded on and for religion.

Also, I believe that harping about Quaid’s vision is completely useless as the thing that really matters is what was pitched to Indian Muslims to convince and mobilise them for the cause of Pakistan. We all know it was captured through slogans like Pakistan ka matlab kya chant. Even if one can definitively prove that ML leadership was privately secular, then at best it proves them hypocrites!

Though I believe the guy was as confused as most Muslims today. His statements and comments might seem totally contradictory today to some but I believe his VOA interview and 11th August speech in conjunction and context with his other statements can only be interpreted as

1. Hypocrisy and cheating Muslim population. ( I really don’t believe this. The guy’s character by all accounts is very strong and honest).

2. Confusion because honestly whole Muslim world is confused about its identity for last 2 centuries. Infact if you consider all of his statements including 11th August and Pakistan not being a theocracy, it is exactly the vision of today’s Jamat e Islami, Ikhwan ul Muslimoon, Turkey’s Erdogan etc...

And despite all this, liberals today also conveniently forget about the role of Allama Iqbal RA. He was claimed to be Mussawer e Pakistan. Anyone who has read kulyat e Iqbal will tell you that had Iqbal RA been alive today, he would have been most probably handed over to US for Gitmo. Iqbal RA is the most effective proponent of pan Islamic revival thought that led to all these Islamic movements that we see everywhere today.

You have provided a very important and intelligent summary. A lot of what you used is the uncomfortable truth but you will receive a lot of backlash from “patriotic” Pakistanis who are uncomfortable with the conflict between Jinnah’s secular personality and his political image of the savior of the Muslims of the subcontinent.

It is important to understand that a lot of Jinnah’s action such as severing ties with Dina Wadia, wearing eastern attire in political rallies, promoting the teaching of Quran and sunnah etc. were largely due to the fact that he had to maintain and sustain a public image as the leader of the Pakistan movement.

Otherwise, an Anglophile like him who had no problem drinking alcohol and eating pork would have no qualms about letting his daughter marry a non-Muslim.

That is why I believe that in his personal capacity, Jinnah would have admired the success of Israel in terms of the rapid development that they have achieved and would have agreed that recognizing Israel and establishing diplomatic relations would benefit Pakistan on the economic front.

However, of course, the lack of intelligence among the masses and the fact that they are held ransom by their religious beliefs would have prevented him from officially recognized Israel. That is why I said that in his personal capacity, in his safety space, he would have respected Israel.

 

[Mamoon]

You really don’t know Jinnah, do you?

When a man in public is a legend, he begins to play the part even in private, despite the fact that it may be conflicting with his traits.

Whether it succeeds or fails, Pakistan was the First Nation-state in history to be founded on the basis of religion. There have been only two in history and coincidentally, they came EXACTLY nine months apart. (The other great coincidence of Jinnah’s life? His daughter was born on the night of August 14th and the morning of August 15th, 28 years to the day of the founding of both Pakistan and India.)

What is the identity that binds Pakistan? What is its full name? What is its flag emblem? What is its basis of founding, intellectually and practically? You know the answer.

Mr. Jinnah was a smarter man than you or I. I’m sure he knew what it stood for and what it promised (Equality for all, YES. But, the ideology of one particular religion.)

Unless all three of us (Jinnah, you, me) are made to take an IQ Test in a controlled, contrived environment, our relative intelligence cannot be debated on. Maybe Jinnah was smarter than me, maybe you are smarter than me. We will never know.

What you do with your intelligence and how you utilize it is hugely influenced by where and when you are born and in what environment.

Instead of being born in Karachi in 1876, if Jinnah was born in Tel Aviv in 1976 and had joined the IDF, he would have participated in the oppression of Palestinian Muslims instead of fighting for the rights of subcontinent Muslims.

Albert Einstein, arguably the greatest physicist of all time, would not have been able to spell physics if he was born in some remote African tribe.

Jinnah was probably an intelligent man, but a lot of his intelligence was hampered by the religiosity of the Muslim leaders around him and later on, the desperation of the British to leave India in haste after WWII.

We do not want to accept this, but the reality is that his vision of Pakistan and his ideology failed. It failed with the liberation of East Pakistan. This fragmented, broken Pakistan is not what Jinnah had in mind on August 14, 1947.

Jinnah’s environment forced him to succumb to idealism. He failed to realize that even Muslims cannot live together in peace and harmony as long as there are sociocultural differences.

He failed to realize that religion is not a strong enough binding force to overcome sociocultural differences, that is why East Pakistan was liberated.

West Pakistan looked down on the East, saw them as lesser people who were dark and weak, and disrespected their language because it is similar to Sanskrit.

In fact, Jinnah himself sowed the seeds of this discrimination when he went to Dhaka in 1948 and declared Urdu as the state language of East Pakistan. It was a grave political, diplomatic error that an intelligent and astute politician would not have committed.

The only saving grace for Jinnah is that he did not live long enough to witness the demise of his vision and ideology and the failure of his Two Nation Theory.

I also suspect that he would not be to pleased to see what the leaders of Pakistan, the defenders of the Pakistan ideology, did to his sister.

 

[KB]

To return to the larger question, there are two contrasting points that I think can made.

We might first emphasise lines of continuity. The anxiety of an Indian nationalism inflected by a Hindu majoritarianism and symbolism was one that many Muslims grappled with in colonial India. Muhammad Ali Jauhar, who would become a prime mover and shaker in the Khilafat movement, wrote in 1911, that Muslims had: “every ambition to live and act as patriotic Indians and work for a nationality of which they would be a component yet conscious part. But they dread the position of the second fiddle which the new-fangled " Nationalism" of some Indian public men and newspapers assigns to them: a Nationalism" which is avowedly Hindu in sympathies and aspirations, has developed Hindu symbolism and battlecries and formula of faith, and draws its energising forces from Hindu religion and mythology.”

Such concerns only increased in the inter-war period. Despite the secular rhetoric from all-India figures belonging to the Congress, at the level of local politics, Indian nationalism was infused with Hindu iconography. The clearest case of this has been presented by historian William Gould. Focussing on the UP, amongst much else, he demonstrates that Hindu holy men intermeshed the language of nationalism with that of religion; that festivals and temples, laced with religious meaning, became important arenas where nationalist ideas were espoused; that the use of religious symbols, and indeed religious figures, in mobilising popular support became increasingly common; that ideas of sin and pollution were used in ways, which marginalised Muslims; that the sense of cultural identity the Congress frequently depicted showed a kinship with the ideas being propounded by Hindu nationalists; and that there were institutional overlaps between the Congress in the UP and those institutions associated with a more ‘hardline’ form of Hindu nationalism - the Mahasabha and most particularly the Arya Samaj in the 1930s

The current BJP government might retail a more hard-line Hindu nationalist message, but there are are lines of continuity. "The continued significance of a religious idiom in politics from the 1920s to the millennium across institutions, from the BJP to the Congress" states Gould, "provides us with a fundamental, if subtle, clue to the persistence of Hindu nationalism in the politics of India."

On the other hand we also need to acknowledge that historical lines never run straight. The very fact of partition has made it easier for Hindus nationalism to thrive in India. Partition obviously reduced the number of Muslims in India and therefore made it easier for a party like the BJP to come to power in India. It enabled a stronger centre to emerge, and one without special consideration for the Muslims, without the need to consider religious weightages and reservations. In the aftermath of partition, the stigma attached to communalism, which could be easily used to de-legitimise opposition, and the suspicion of disloyalty made it difficult for Muslims to organise on an explicitly religious basis. As Ayesha Jalal wrote, “To be secular and nationalist for a Muslim entails publicly disclaiming too close an association with the specific traits of the minority community, religious and cultural. Otherwise there is no escaping the pejorative label of ‘communalism’." At the same time partition removed restraints on Hindu majoritarianism. As Taylor Sherman on her study of Muslim in Hyderabad showed, the state government after partition drew “on the language of democracy, which was defined in majoritarian terms” and which insisted “that government ought to act in the interests of an imagined Hindu majority.”

 

[wajid]

You have provided a very important and intelligent summary. A lot of what you used is the uncomfortable truth but you will receive a lot of backlash from “patriotic” Pakistanis who are uncomfortable with the conflict between Jinnah’s secular personality and his political image of the savior of the Muslims of the subcontinent.

It is important to understand that a lot of Jinnah’s action such as severing ties with Dina Wadia, wearing eastern attire in political rallies, promoting the teaching of Quran and sunnah etc. were largely due to the fact that he had to maintain and sustain a public image as the leader of the Pakistan movement.

Otherwise, an Anglophile like him who had no problem drinking alcohol and eating pork would have no qualms about letting his daughter marry a non-Muslim.

That is why I believe that in his personal capacity, Jinnah would have admired the success of Israel in terms of the rapid development that they have achieved and would have agreed that recognizing Israel and establishing diplomatic relations would benefit Pakistan on the economic front.

However, of course, the lack of intelligence among the masses and the fact that they are held ransom by their religious beliefs would have prevented him from officially recognized Israel. That is why I said that in his personal capacity, in his safety space, he would have respected Israel.

I think Quaid’s greatest achievement was the creation of a model which we can term Islamic Republic or Islamic Constitutional Democracy. Clearly this is the most desired model of state in Muslim world today.

But the problem is that leadership of that generation failed to realise that Islamic Republic is a misnomer and a contradiction in terms. Constitutional democracy is not value neutral and neither is Islam. Especially withhindsight of last 70 years, people are now realising that Islamic republic is probably an impossible Republic.

Constitutional democracy and republic never evolved as a functioning system in Muslim world. Most in Muslim World will not accept that religious convictions are restricting their development because they never signed up for a system that declares maximising material wealth and freedom is the ONLY goal and yardstick of a nation’s success.

 

[ManFan]

Unless all three of us (Jinnah, you, me) are made to take an IQ Test in a controlled, contrived environment, our relative intelligence cannot be debated on. Maybe Jinnah was smarter than me, maybe you are smarter than me. We will never know.

What you do with your intelligence and how you utilize it is hugely influenced by where and when you are born and in what environment.

Instead of being born in Karachi in 1876, if Jinnah was born in Tel Aviv in 1976 and had joined the IDF, he would have participated in the oppression of Palestinian Muslims instead of fighting for the rights of subcontinent Muslims.

Albert Einstein, arguably the greatest physicist of all time, would not have been able to spell physics if he was born in some remote African tribe.

Jinnah was probably an intelligent man, but a lot of his intelligence was hampered by the religiosity of the Muslim leaders around him and later on, the desperation of the British to leave India in haste after WWII.

We do not want to accept this, but the reality is that his vision of Pakistan and his ideology failed. It failed with the liberation of East Pakistan. This fragmented, broken Pakistan is not what Jinnah had in mind on August 14, 1947.

Jinnah’s environment forced him to succumb to idealism. He failed to realize that even Muslims cannot live together in peace and harmony as long as there are sociocultural differences.

He failed to realize that religion is not a strong enough binding force to overcome sociocultural differences, that is why East Pakistan was liberated.

West Pakistan looked down on the East, saw them as lesser people who were dark and weak, and disrespected their language because it is similar to Sanskrit.

In fact, Jinnah himself sowed the seeds of this discrimination when he went to Dhaka in 1948 and declared Urdu as the state language of East Pakistan. It was a grave political, diplomatic error that an intelligent and astute politician would not have committed.

The only saving grace for Jinnah is that he did not live long enough to witness the demise of his vision and ideology and the failure of his Two Nation Theory.

I also suspect that he would not be to pleased to see what the leaders of Pakistan, the defenders of the Pakistan ideology, did to his sister.

Jinnah’s job was to create Pakistan. It is a certainty now but it was only a far-away idea at the time.

And it is not Jinnah’s fault that the government of West Pakistan could not treat the East Pakistanis with greater respect. Language can be overcome in a few generations, it was a mistake but not a fatal one.

He fulfilled his role, like Gandhi. The difference between India and Pakistan is due to the fact that after their founder’s death, one got Pandit Nehru and the other got General Ayub Khan.

And therein lies the difference we see today with our eyes between the two nation-states today.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Furthermore, his record shows that even though he might not have been a practicing Muslim, he had great sensitivity to and respect for Muslim culture, norms, concerns etc.

Absolutely.

Even if you consider the word Pakistan and its context then then is no uncertainty that it was a country founded on and for religion.

No it was formed for Muslims of the subcontinent not for Islam. Jinnah made it clear he did not want a theocracy. If you ask 100 Muslims their opinion on Islam you might get a 100 different answers.

Thats why he wanted Pakistan to be a secular state. Same way how Israel is a Jewish state, and the symbols of the state reflect Jewish history, but the country is still secular. A secular state for subcontinent Muslims would give us our own cultural symbols which are based on Muslim history, but at the same time avoid the state to be governed by religious laws. Which was the state of the country for the most part for the first 35 to 40 years.

Also, I believe that harping about Quaid’s vision is completely useless as the thing that really matters is what was pitched to Indian Muslims to convince and mobilise them for the cause of Pakistan. We all know it was captured through slogans like Pakistan ka matlab kya chant. Even if one can definitively prove that ML leadership was privately secular, then at best it proves them hypocrites!

Jinnah was a secular Muslim, as were most of the founders of the Pakistan Movement. However they were not hypocrites as in the subcontinent religion is not just a set of beliefs.

Unlike Iranians or Europeans who were Pagan and then became 100% Muslims and 100% Christian respectively, in the subcontinent Muslims and Hindus have had more than 1,000 years to develop cultural differences.

Even if everyone became Atheist, Muslims and Hindus would still have a different culture even in the same ethnic group. With the reason being they draw inspiration from different parts of history.

Take uttar pradesh for example.

Muslims look at the Sultanate, and Mughals period favorably. Right wing Hindus view that same period as the dark age.

When Muslims think of beautiful mosques and tombs, Hindus think of all the broken mandirs.

What Muslims see as fusion of Indian and Persian culture, from architecture, cuisine, clothing, etc Hindus think of the replacement of their own culture.

What Muslims see as intermarriage between Muslim men and Hindu women, Hindus think of rape.

If Muslim prefer Allahabad RW Hindus prefer Prayagraj. If Muslims favor Nastaliq they favor Devanagari.

If both the Muslim League and Congress saw each other as Right wing, even though they were both relatively liberal and their leaders were secular, then that shows how religion in subcontinent is more of an identity than a set of beliefs. Muslims and Hindus would never be able share power equally.

Sir Syed said it best:

In whose hands shall the administration and the Empire of India rest? Now, suppose that all English, and the whole English army, were to leave India, taking with them all their cannon and their splendid weapons and everything, then who would be rulers of India? Is it possible that under these circumstances two nations—the Mahomedans and the Hindus—could sit on the same throne and remain equal in power? Most certainly not. It is necessary that one of them should conquer the other and thrust it down. To hope that both could remain equal is to desire the impossible and the inconceivable.

 

[MenInG]

The 73rd death anniversary of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the Father of the Nation, is being observed today (Saturday) across the country with solemnity and reverence.

Father of the Nation Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah passed away on 11th September 1948 shortly after achieving freedom for the nation.

To mark the day, a special ceremony of Quran Khawani and Fateha will be held at the mausoleum of Quaid-e-Azam in Karachi today.

Various programmes have also been chalked out by educational institutions and political, social and cultural organizations to shed light on the personality and leadership of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

Top political leadership and people from different walks of life will visit the mausoleum to offer Fateha and to lay the floral wreath on his grave.

Born on Dec 25, 1876, Muhammad Ali Jinnah served as leader of the All India Muslim League from 1913 until the inception of Pakistan on 14 August 1947.

He served as the country’s first governor general until his demise.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

May Allah SWT bless Jinnah's soul.

The whole nation of Pakistan are in the debt of Mr. Jinnah. And that debt is to look after Pakistan and move forward in a positive manner.

 

[Waleed93]

It's a shame that the nation he founded never became the nation he wanted to see.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

A nation from Wish, which sadly while always facing an uphill task given the behemoth it seceded from, has definitely not attained its goal.

 

[Kroll]

Modi definitely changed people's perspective on partition...

My grandfather moved from some random village in UP and he never liked the concept of partition and cursed Me. Jinnah for most of his life for all the suffering he believed he caused to him

To understand his POV you need to understand his personal trauma
His reasoning was that they were a rich land owning class in UP and because of partition they were pushed out because of violence

-Most of his family died while trying to reach the punjab border, he was one of the few survivors
- They were dead broke in Pakistan and received basically nothing
- His health was always unstable throughout his life because during partition he was forced to eat some really muddied water rice and other equally disgusting things to survive

So for him Mr. Jinnah was a war criminal of sort who took everything away from and millions of others

But later in Life during Modi years he realized that Mr.Jinnah was right
It may not be perfect but we have the freedom to practice our religious liberties to the fullest

But saying that I am sure some people from both sides who suffered in partition would hold him personally responsible for all the trauma they suffered

But know without the baggage of partition we are realizing his greatness

I know this is an old post and I have sympathy for your grandfather's plight and many others who had to suffer the horrors of the partition. They are true Shaheed's and heroes of that time that they should be exalted for their immense sacrifices to create this land during that time.

I just want to add that I don't think Jinnah should be held fully responsible for the partition in the sense that the British drew the line and then hastily ran away before any sort of order could be arranged. Jinnah and all parties concerned did not receive the time or resources to carry out the creation of Pakistan in an orderly fashion.

The result was that Pakistan got much less of Punjab than it should have, ie Gurdaspur and Ferozepur districts which had Muslim majorities. Other Punjab districts also had sizeable populations and of course the whole of Kashmir should have went to Pakistan also.

The British smarting from the fact they were about to lose their jewel of the Empire just got up and left abruptly leaving the whole thing in a big mess which ultimately led to a lot of turmoil, bloodshed and suffering. They were probably happy and still are that there is now a lot of bitterness and fighting between the newly created states.

So although Jinnah wanted a separate homeland for Muslims, it wasn't to be in the manner in which it sadly happened. Obviously he would have wanted a more civilised transfer of power and at least time to manage the new borders as when it did actually happen, there were not enough Police or troops leading to a complete breakdown of law and order.

Anyways, we can't turn back time and what's happened has happened. Salute to Jinnah and the forefathers who made this land possible. Salute to all the Shaheed's (may Allah swt grant them Jannah) and people that had to suffer the trauma of the partition. Your sacrifices will never be forgotten.

 

[MenInG]

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[daytrader]

Quaid’s death anniversary: Alvi, Shehbaz urge nation to emulate Jinnah’s principles of ‘faith, unity, discipline’

President Arif Alvi and Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Sunday paid tribute to the founder of Pakistan Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah on his 74th death Anniversary, saying his untiring struggle, sagacity and leadership qualities led the Muslims to secure their rights in the sub-continent.

In separate statements, they said the dream of a sovereign state for the Muslims of India would not have come true without the dynamic leadership of Jinnah.

“On this day, we also remember Quaid for his struggle, for giving us a country, and pledge to focus on his advice for infusing unity, faith and discipline in our ranks and files,” the president said.

He said Allama Iqbal, the poet and philosopher of the East, dreamt a separate homeland for Muslims of India and Quaid-e-Azam turned the dream into reality.

President Alvi said that brotherhood, equality and fraternity of man were “all the basic points of our religion, culture and civilisation. And we fought for Pakistan because there was a danger of denial of these human rights in this sub-continent.”

“We are now all Pakistanis, not, Pathans, Sindhis, Bengalis, Punjabis and so on and as Pakistanis we must feel, behave and act, and we should be proud to be known as Pakistanis and nothing else.”

He also urged people to pledge to follow the “golden principles of unity, faith and discipline” as advised by Jinnah “to make Pakistan an ideal Islamic welfare state where Islamic principles of equality, freedom, justice and democracy are to be upheld”.

Meanwhile, the prime minister said there was a need for the nation to emulate Jinnah’s everlasting principles of faith, unity and discipline to face the current challenges.

“The country gripped with financial difficulties was also braving the natural calamity in form of floods,” he added.

The prime minister expressed confidence that the country would achieve discipline that would not only lead them to overcome financial and post-flood challenges, but also help it achieve the destination of Quaid’s great Pakistan.

The path might be filled with difficulties, but the road to the destination is not impossible, he added.

DAWN

 

[MenInG]

India is trying to prevent the declassification of papers from 1947 related to Kashmir, fearing that the "sensitive" letters could affect foreign relations, a Guardian report says.

The UK media outlet said that according to the internal government documents seen by it, the letters, known as the Bucher papers, are believed to include political and military arguments for why India’s first Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, called for a ceasefire with Pakistan and provided special status to the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

The Bucher papers refer to communications between Gen Sir Francis Robert Roy Bucher, who served as second commander-in-chief of the Indian army between 1948 and 1949, and government officials, including Nehru.

A recent foreign ministry document seen by the Guardian said the contents of the papers should not be declassified yet. The papers contain "military operational matters in Kashmir and correspondences amongst senior government leaders on sensitive political matters in Kashmir", the document said.

For decades, the region in the foothills of the Himalayas was given a separate constitution, a flag, and autonomy over all matters except for foreign affairs and defence. Those measures were seen by Kashmiris as crucial to protecting their rights in the Muslim-majority state.

But in 2019, under the Hindu nationalist Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, the government in Delhi formally revoked the disputed state’s constitutional autonomy, in an attempt to integrate it fully into India.

The decision tightened the government’s grip over the region and stoked anger and resentment as a three-decade-old armed revolt continued to rage.

Over the years, several attempts have been made by activists to declassify the papers to shed light on the reasoning for Article 370, which gave Jammu and Kashmir its special status.

The papers have been kept at the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library, an autonomous body under India’s culture ministry. According to a source with knowledge of the matter, they reveal that Nehru was aware and informed of the military developments in Kashmir.

"Roy Bucher suggested a political approach to solve the escalating situation given the military fatigue faced by Indian troops due to 13 months of military deployment, including taking the matter before the United Nations," the source said.

That advice may have influenced Nehru’s decision to grant Kashmir special status. In 1952, the prime minister argued that the aspirations of the people of Kashmir should be respected. "I want to stress that it is only the people of Kashmir who can decide the future of Kashmir," he told India’s parliament. "We are not going to impose ourselves on them at the point of the bayonet."

The Bucher papers were handed over by India’s external affairs ministry to the Nehru museum and library in New Delhi in 1970, with a note saying they should be kept "classified." The documents have remained in the library’s closed collection since then, the foreign ministry said.

An Indian activist, Venkatesh Nayak, has filed multiple appeals to declassify the papers, a move that was initially rejected. However, in 2021, the Indian information commissioner ruled it was in the "national interest" but fell short of ordering the disclosure of the crucial documents. The order advised that the library may seek the foreign ministry’s permission to declassify the papers for academic research.

In a letter dated October 12, 2022, that has been reviewed by the Guardian, the chair of the museum and library, Nripendra Misra, wrote to India’s foreign secretary, arguing the papers "are very important for scholarly research" and requesting declassification.

"We have read the contents of the Bucher papers. Our view is that the papers need not remain "classified" beyond the reach of academicians. "We are opening papers for other important public figures also," Misra argued.

India typically allows the declassification of archival documents after 25 years. The foreign ministry argued in the document that the disclosure of the papers should be put "in abeyance" for the time being and advised that the "sensitivity of the Roy Bucher papers and the likely implications of their disclosure" should be examined further.

Sources say the government has yet to take a final decision on the matter. The Guardian says it has contacted the Indian foreign ministry and the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library for a response.

Express Tribune

 

[Cricket Warrior]

People of Pakistan have got double the reasons to celebrate this holiday on 25th of December.

Because it also commemorates the birthday of the Founding Father of Pakistan.

Happy Birthday Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah!

 

[BouncerGuy]

On Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah's birthday, we remember the visionary leader who played a pivotal role in Pakistan's independence and remains an inspiration for the nation.

Happy Birthday to one of the greatest leaders.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PM, president echo Jinnah’s message of inclusivity, religious minorities’ rights on his 148th birthday

As the country celebrates the 148th birthday of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah today, President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif vowed to build a Pakistan that reflects Jinnah’s vision of inclusivity and rights for religious minorities, according to Radio Pakistan.

The day dawned with gun salutes in the federal and provincial capitals followed by a change of the guard’s ceremony at Quaid-i-Azam’s mausoleum in Karachi, where a contingent of Pakistan Military Academy Kakul assumed guard duties, Radio Pakistan reported.

Special programmes have been arranged during the day to pay tribute to the father of the nation.

On the occasion, Sindh Chief Minister Murad Ali Shah and Governor Kamran Tessori⁩ visited Mazar-e-Quaid, where they laid floral wreaths, offered fateha, and recorded their impressions in the visitor’s book.

In a statement, President Zardari reiterated his commitment to religious harmony, mutual respect, and protection of minority rights in the country.

He said, “[The] constitution guarantees the fundamental rights of all citizens, irrespective of their faith and our founding father Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah also envisioned a Pakistan where people of all religions could thrive as equal citizens.”

He added that upholding the rights of all citizens is essential for fostering national unity and progress.

The president also highlighted the occasion of Christmas being celebrated today and called for “ensuring that intolerance and discrimination are discouraged and everyone feels respected and safe in the country”.

Zardari appreciated the role of the Christian community in Pakistan’s development stating “they have excelled in education, healthcare, community service, social welfare, and public service and their contributions are a testament to our national diversity.”

He said, “Let us carry the spirit of Christmas throughout the year, working together to build a society rooted in peace, justice, and compassion.”

In his statement, PM Shehbaz vowed to continue ensuring that “people of all faiths can practice their beliefs freely and contribute to the collective progress of our nation”, Radio Pakistan stated.

Expressing his heartfelt felicitations to the Christian brethren in Pakistan and around the world on Christmas, the premier reaffirmed his commitment to safeguard the rights of all religious communities and foster an environment of mutual respect and understanding.

He called for reflecting on the profound message of peace, brotherhood, and love for all humanity as taught by Prophet Isa who preached values of compassion, kindness, mercy, and wisdom.

The Prime Minister paid tribute to the invaluable contributions made by the Christian community for the progress and stability of Pakistan, particularly in the fields of education, healthcare, and nation-building.

DAWN NEWS

 

[Bhaijaan]

Easy to say such things sitting in Lahore, Dubai, Toronto, California etc.

Dare you to spend a week in some of the Muslim infested cities in Bengal or UP and then talk to me. I will see how much patience and love you have for your so called fellow Muslims who have destroyed our country with their jahalat, nafrat and beghairatpana.

Perspective is everything.

Bangladeshi, Rohingya and Jamali Muslims of UP are a curse to any city or nation.

If you love Jinnah so much please take a hundred million more of them Muslims from our country and do whatever you wanna do with them.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Easy to say such things sitting in Lahore, Dubai, Toronto, California etc.

Dare you to spend a week in some of the Muslim infested cities in Bengal or UP and then talk to me. I will see how much patience and love you have for your so called fellow Muslims who have destroyed our country with their jahalat, nafrat and beghairatpana.

Perspective is everything.

Bangladeshi, Rohingya and Jamali Muslims of UP are a curse to any city or nation.

If you love Jinnah so much please take a hundred million more of them Muslims from our country and do whatever romance you wanna do with them.

Not so fast.

We have our share of uncouth bihari infestations in karachi. These bhayas already ruined a once great culture.

Surely we can't be expected to accept more of the same thugs.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Not so fast.

We have our share of uncouth bihari infestations in karachi. These bhayas already ruined a once great culture.

Surely we can't be expected to accept more of the same thugs.

You get the drift.
This is 2024 and we cannot be threatened by failed woke leftist propaganda politics to not speak the truth anymore.

It doesn’t matter who these people are, which religions they belong to , all these bad elements in society must be named and shamed until they improve and if they don’t improve they must be eliminated within the legal framework.

 

[Bewal Express]

May Allah bless our Quaid with jannat.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

May Allah bless our Quaid with jannat.

Ameen