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"That’s Indian cricket. Different rules for different people" : Sunil Gavaskar

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This is being written after a day, which, in June 1974, I thought would never come again. That day in 1974, we were bowled out for 42 by England. We had scored over 300 in the first innings in reply to England’s massive score of 652 and had been asked to follow on. The day was bleak and cold and there was a cloud cover which helped the bowlers to swing the ball both ways, crazily. Adelaide, on the other hand, was so hot that I remember wondering in the commentary how long the fast bowlers’ spell would be. Even four overs would have been too much. That said, when a bowler is getting wickets then there’s nothing that is going to stop him from bowling — be it heat or cold. So Cummins kept going, looking for his fifth wicket while Hazelwood had got his fiver at the other end. Like in 1974 there were some great deliveries that got the top order out and there it was — India’s lowest score in Test cricket, 36, which was six runs lesser than ours.

It’s been a nightmare of a tour so far for young Prithvi Shaw as he has struggled to come to terms with the bounce on the Australian pitches and sadly he has not shown the inclination to learn from his past mistakes. With his high back lift and the habit of pushing hard at the ball he is going to find it hard to score runs on surfaces where the ball moves and bounces. On pitches where the ball will come at stumps height, he will be hard to stop as that same high back lift will power the ball to the boundary. I thought selecting him despite his lack of runs in the warm-ups was a masterstroke as he could have got the team off to a rollicking start, but sadly that didn’t happen. He is only 20 so he has plenty of time to make the adjustments in his technique and give himself more of a chance overseas. If he does that then he can get the team off to a flying start.

Ravichandran Ashwin bowled beautifully as the Aussie batsmen struggled to read him. The way he got Steve Smith out was a joy to behold. Smith was at the non-striker’s end when Ashwin bowled to Marnus Labuschagne and saw that all the deliveries were bowled around the middle and leg-stump. When Smith was on strike towards the end of that first over he was anticipating similar line and length. Instead he got the floater on the off-stump where he was squared up looking to play down the onside and the edge was gleefully snaffled by Ajinkya Rahane at first slip. It was deception at its best.

It was seen again a little later when the left-handed Travis Head came in to bat. Two deliveries were bowled flatter at his leg-guards where he attempted to flick the ball, but was frustrated at being cramped to do so. The next ball was slower and tossed up in the air as if it was the bowler trying to make amends for denying him room to move his arms and score runs, too. Head lost his head as he saw the chance to swing his arms and play the drive. Only the ball dipped at the last moment and the arms which were enjoying the freedom to move realised they could only move a little bit and before they could slow their progress the damage had been done. The bat went half forward and pushed the ball back for Ashwin to take the simplest of catches. It was the kind of dismissal that wily old fox Erapalli Prasanna would have been proud of.

For far too long Ashwin has suffered not for his bowling ability of which only the churlish will have doubts, but for his forthrightness and speaking his mind at meetings where most others just nod even if they don’t agree.

Any other country would welcome a bowler who has more than 350 Test wickets and not to forget four Test match centuries, too. However, if Ashwin doesn’t take heaps of wickets in one game he is invariably sidelined for the next one. That does not happen to established batsmen though. Even if they fail in one game they get another chance and another and another but for Ashwin the rules seem to be different.

Another player who will wonder about the rules, but, of course, can’t make any noise about it as he is a newcomer. It is T. Natarajan. The left-arm yorker specialist who made an impressive debut in the T20 and had Hardik Pandya gallantly offering to share the man of the T20 series prize with him had become a father for the first time even as the IPL playoffs were going on. He was taken to Australia directly from UAE and then looking at his brilliant performances, he was asked to stay on for the Test series but not as a part of the team but as a net bowler. Imagine that. A match winner, albeit in another format, being asked to be a net bowler. He will thus return home only after the series ends in the third week of January and get to see his daughter for the first time then. And there is the captain going back after the first Test for the birth of his first child.

That’s Indian cricket. Different rules for different people. If you don’t believe me ask Ravi Ashwin and T. Natarajan.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/maga...li-natarajan-ashwin-smith/article33383696.ece
 
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'And there is the captain going back after the first Test for the birth of his first child.'

'That's Indian cricket. Different rules for different people. If you don't believe me,' Gavaskar wrote, 'ask Ravi Ashwin and T Natarajan.'

:salute
 
It is what it is you can make borders between India and Pakistan but mentality can never change Desi's will always be desis. It's star power and Kohli owns Indian cricket and anushka owns Kohli.
 
Brilliant by Sunny G. He is right.

Some are deemed greater than others. Even greats like Dravid or VVS or Viru have not got the respect, treatment of the farewell they deserved.

However these folks would always be remembered and respected for their contribution to the team by grateful fans. Especially Dravid who still chose to come back and help the game at the grass roots level by helping our youngsters when he had the choice to remain aloof.
 
Williamson took a leave from the first test. No one batted an eye
Then, What is all this ruckus about.
Thangarasu N had all the freedom to leave the tour , he didn’t because he is a debutant who wants to secure a place in this team.
This is the first time i am hearing so much about a non issue.
 
What a clown.

Gavaskar himself requested the same as a player.

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) rejected former Indian cricketer Sunil Gavaskar's request to attend the birth of his son Rohan in 1976.

As a result, Gavaskar had to travel with the rest of the Indian squad to the West Indies for an all-important four-match Test series.

The man is still sour. :))
 
There rules are not the same for everyone anywhere in the world.
 
Williamson took a leave from the first test. No one batted an eye
Then, What is all this ruckus about.
Thangarasu N had all the freedom to leave the tour , he didn’t because he is a debutant who wants to secure a place in this team.
This is the first time i am hearing so much about a non issue.

Players can withdraw, no one will stop them if they want to leave.
Obviously debut players won't go because they don't want to miss the opportunity.
Siraj given a option to go back but he didn't.

Last time Rohit sharma left Aus tour on paternity leave.
Dont know what is Gavaskar problem, he can mention his opinion without dragging Kohli's Paternity leave
 
What a clown.

Gavaskar himself requested the same as a player.



The man is still sour. :))

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...r-india-sunil-gavaskar-clarifies-3130172.html

That's a false rumour. Gavaskar never asked for paternity leave.

"I did not ask for permission to be with my wife for the birth of out child. When I went with the Indian team for a double tour of New Zealand and West Indies, I knew that the child would be born during my stay away. I was committed to playing for India and my wide supported me for this," Gavaskar wrote.

"Since both our families were present for any need and were being looked after by specialist doctors, I was able to leave and play without any worries. After all, what was I going to do there?" He added.

https://english.jagran.com/cricket/...my-son-after-3-months-sunil-gavaskar-10020491

Gavaskar saw his son after three months.

No fuss.
 
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Taking paternity leave is Kohli's personal matter so I won't talk about it but Gavaskar is right there are different rules for different players. Players like Shaw, Samson will get limited opportunities but others like Pant and Pandya will get endless opportunities and some hypocrite fans will have no problem with it. And this has been happening in Indian cricket for so many years. I mean there is something wrong with the system when a player like Amol Mazumdar retired without playing a single match for India. Same thing has been happening in Pakistan for so many years. Asim Kamal, Fawad Alam should have got more opportunities than someone like Farhat. :inti
 
Taking paternity leave is Kohli's personal matter so I won't talk about it but Gavaskar is right there are different rules for different players. Players like Shaw, Samson will get limited opportunities but others like Pant and Pandya will get endless opportunities and some hypocrite fans will have no problem with it. And this has been happening in Indian cricket for so many years. I mean there is something wrong with the system when a player like Amol Mazumdar retired without playing a single match for India. Same thing has been happening in Pakistan for so many years. Asim Kamal, Fawad Alam should have got more opportunities than someone like Farhat. :inti

Samson has not performed enough in domestic cricket or shown the temperament to deliver in 50- overs cricket and test format.

Rishabh Pant was given a nod because he averages very well in FC and other domestic league. In test cricket, he has also done well till now averaging 35 in SENA as wicket keeper batsman which is inferior only to Kohli, Pujara, Rahane and same as Mayank. In contrast, Saha averages only 13 in SENA but was still preferred over Pant.

Shaw has technical flaws and although he is very talented, he needs to work on his technical flaws because of which his test average in SENA has already gone down to 17 and he was all under sea in a lesser league to international cricket,i.e., IPL, due to his technical deficiencies. So, it's a common logic that if weaker bowlers are exposing you in shorter format then we all know what was about to happen in a test series in Australia.

Pandya has not been preferred over anyone but he has already shown the ability that he walks into Indian LOI team as a pure batsman only. In tests, he doesn't as of now and that's why he was dropped from test cricket.

There is no bias in terms of giving chances to any player in Indian team. The problem is with players if they don't grab the chance or rather expose their weaknesses to the opposition.
 
On topic, I guess others have already explained it. If Kohli can afford to take leave due to personal reasons, then this is after he has become a player of the stature he is.

If Kohli had taken the leave in 2011 before hitting that test hundred and when Manjrekar was commenting that Kohli should be given one more chance just to confirm that he is not yet there for test cricket, he might had to wait a little longer for a chance in test cricket.

So, the different rule logic can't be implemented everywhere.
 
Ravichandran Ashwin was one of the very few Indian cricketers who was able to take positives out of the day-night Adelaide Test. The India off-spinner not only got Australia’s best batsman Steve Smith out with a slider that got the experts talking but also ended up as the visitors’ most successful bowler with 4 wickets beside his name, that too on the first innings of a pink-ball Test. Ashwin picked up another wicket in the second innngs and returned with match figures of 5 for 71.

However, as astonishing as it may sound, Ashwin’s position as the sole spinner might have been in doubt had Ravindra Jadeja been fit for the first Test. Despite Ashwin being the most successful spinner for India, somehow there has always been a question mark over his place in the side whenever the team goes abroad. Stressing on the same fact, legendary India cricketer Sunil Gavaskar said Ashwin suffers not for his bowling skills but for his ‘forthrightness’ and ‘speaking his mind at meetings’.

“For far too long Ashwin has suffered not for his bowling ability of which only the churlish will have doubts, but for his forthrightness and speaking his mind at meetings where most others just nod even if they don’t agree,” Gavaskar wrote in his column for Sportstar.

Gavaskar went on stating that a player of Ashwin calibre should be an asset to any Test side.

“Any other country would welcome a bowler who has more than 350 Test wickets and not to forget four Test match centuries, too.

“However, if Ashwin doesn’t take heaps of wickets in one game he is invariably sidelined for the next one. That does not happen to established batsmen though. Even if they fail in one game they get another chance and another and another but for Ashwin the rules seem to be different,” Gavaskar wrote.

The former India opener also heaped praise on Ashwin for his delivery to Steve Smith, that dismissed him for his lowest Test score – 1 – against India in Tests in the first innings in Adelaide.

How are Ashwin’s recent numbers overseas?

Notably, since 2018, Ashwin has improved significantly in SENA (South Africa, England, New Zealand, and Australia) countries in Tests. Also, Ashwin has taken wickets in each of his last 8 innings in Tests in SENA countries. His last wicketless innings came at Nottingham in 2018.

Moreover, in 2020, Ashwin has played 2 Tests in 2020 and both outside Asia — New Zealand and Australia. Despite that, he has an impressive bowling average of 21.25 from 53 overs and the strike rate of 39.7 — best for him in a calendar year.

Now that Ravindra Jadeja is fit and almost certain to make India’s playing Xi for the second Test in Melbourne it will be interesting to see whether India plays two spinners and five bowling options despite their batting being under fire.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...il-gavaskar/story-FOscmVMzIfox2hQDeMGKWJ.html
 
There is alot of difference. Natarajan was not forced to make the tour by the BCCI if I m not mistaken and he did so to break into the Indian team. Kohli is the best batsman in the world and will walk into any side. And it's a personal decision. If he feels he wants to be with his family then be it. Tbh not much would have been said had India won the Adelaide Test
 
. I mean there is something wrong with the system when a player like Amol Mazumdar retired without playing a single match for India.

Something is much bigger wrong when K. N. Ananthapadmanabhan never played for India, despite being a great domestic bowler and a decent batsmen. How about the 5fer he took against the visiting Pakistani side and still does not get a look in.

I forgot back in those days players were Kerala were treated like untouchables. Poor Amol Mazumdar :inti
 
Samson has not performed enough in domestic cricket or shown the temperament to deliver in 50- overs cricket and test format.

Rishabh Pant was given a nod because he averages very well in FC and other domestic league. In test cricket, he has also done well till now averaging 35 in SENA as wicket keeper batsman which is inferior only to Kohli, Pujara, Rahane and same as Mayank. In contrast, Saha averages only 13 in SENA but was still preferred over Pant.

Shaw has technical flaws and although he is very talented, he needs to work on his technical flaws because of which his test average in SENA has already gone down to 17 and he was all under sea in a lesser league to international cricket,i.e., IPL, due to his technical deficiencies. So, it's a common logic that if weaker bowlers are exposing you in shorter format then we all know what was about to happen in a test series in Australia.

Pandya has not been preferred over anyone but he has already shown the ability that he walks into Indian LOI team as a pure batsman only. In tests, he doesn't as of now and that's why he was dropped from test cricket.

There is no bias in terms of giving chances to any player in Indian team. The problem is with players if they don't grab the chance or rather expose their weaknesses to the opposition.

Absolutely nothing in your post that proves me wrong. I said some players get limited opportunities to prove themselves while others keep getting chances after chances. Once players like Samson and Shaw gets selected to play for India they should get equal opportunities like others but hypocrite fans will rather hype some players to the moon and would want to discard others after 2-3 matches. Not everyone will score a hundred and get a 5fer in their first international match. :inti
 
Something is much bigger wrong when K. N. Ananthapadmanabhan never played for India, despite being a great domestic bowler and a decent batsmen. How about the 5fer he took against the visiting Pakistani side and still does not get a look in.

I forgot back in those days players were Kerala were treated like untouchables. Poor Amol Mazumdar :inti

Karumanaseri Narayanaiyer Ananthapadmanabhan deserved to play at least 2 matches for India before being sidelined by pappu selectors and hypocrite fans. :inti
 
Something is much bigger wrong when K. N. Ananthapadmanabhan never played for India, despite being a great domestic bowler and a decent batsmen. How about the 5fer he took against the visiting Pakistani side and still does not get a look in.

I forgot back in those days players were Kerala were treated like untouchables. Poor Amol Mazumdar :inti

Classic case of Mumbai Lobbying.
Clown Manjrekar represented team India.:kp
Few scraps like Salil Ankola, Paras Mambre, Ramesh Powar, Sai Raj Bahutule ,Nilesh Kulkarni and Sameer Dighe also selected.

Many deserving players from other states didn't get a chance to represent national side as much as Mumbai lobby did.

Over the years the situation has been changed....Thanks to Dada.
Still few clowns are barking.
 
There is some truth to what Gavaskar says.

This is the first time when I'm hearing him butting heads with Shastri, in a way. Those two were good chums in the commentary box same time ten years ago.
 
Ashwin is always the first pick in SC Tests

Overseas his batting has regressed so its tight competition with Jadeja for one spot

As for Natarajan he might not even have applied for leave

Paternity leave is common,not sure why the hue and cry
 
I'm bitterly disappointed at Kohli's decision to return home. Mind you, I have no right to poke my nose in his private life. I'm not criticising him, I'm merely expressing my disappointment.
 
It’s a personal decision. Gavaskar shouldn’t have commented on that even though there is an element of truth to what he is saying in the overall context.
 
Taking paternity leave is Kohli's personal matter so I won't talk about it but Gavaskar is right there are different rules for different players. Players like Shaw, Samson will get limited opportunities but others like Pant and Pandya will get endless opportunities and some hypocrite fans will have no problem with it. And this has been happening in Indian cricket for so many years. I mean there is something wrong with the system when a player like Amol Mazumdar retired without playing a single match for India. Same thing has been happening in Pakistan for so many years. Asim Kamal, Fawad Alam should have got more opportunities than someone like Farhat. :inti



Pandya is a gifted allrounder and a match winner. His ceiling is also tremendously high. Pant again the same and he is a wicket keeper. While Pant is not has been consistent in international cricket Samson hasn't been consistent regardless of FC, LOI, T20, T20 and so on. Prithivi is not a wk, there are plenty of batsmen to replace him, I dont think he has been neglected. He is getting his approppriate chances.
 
Ashwin is always the first pick in SC Tests

Overseas his batting has regressed so its tight competition with Jadeja for one spot

As for Natarajan he might not even have applied for leave

Paternity leave is common,not sure why the hue and cry

Being there during the birth of a child isn't a big deal in India like rest of the world, especially in Tamil Nadu. Plenty of Gulf labourers leave while their wife is pregnant. In fact, during the actual birth they dont even let the husband at the delivery. At the age of 29, he would want to get all the opprtunity. His scenario is different from Kohlis.
 
Every player wants to take leave from international cricket these days. Will be interesting to see the list of players who take paternity leaves during IPL though. :inti
 
Pandya is a gifted allrounder and a match winner. His ceiling is also tremendously high. Pant again the same and he is a wicket keeper. While Pant is not has been consistent in international cricket Samson hasn't been consistent regardless of FC, LOI, T20, T20 and so on. Prithivi is not a wk, there are plenty of batsmen to replace him, I dont think he has been neglected. He is getting his approppriate chances.

So how many matches players like Shaw and Samson deserve to play after getting selected to play for India and before getting dropped?

Samson was dropped after 1 or 2 T20 games when he first made his debut. He is not a great player and could be another cr@p player but once a player earns a spot in the team he should be given enough chances. And that is why I am saying there are different rules for different players.

Ganguly wasn't the same player when he made his comeback into Indian cricket after getting dropped in 1992. Someone like Marvan Attapattu started his career with 5 ducks and a score of 1 in his first 6 innings still he played enough cricket for Sri Lanka. Not everyone will shine in their first 2-3 innings and fade away later. :inti
 
Gavaskar was always a jealous person, he was jealous of Sachin back in the days and now showing his hatred towards Kohli. Kohli is a bigger player than both combined. Cope
 
Being there during the birth of a child isn't a big deal in India like rest of the world, especially in Tamil Nadu. Plenty of Gulf labourers leave while their wife is pregnant. In fact, during the actual birth they dont even let the husband at the delivery. At the age of 29, he would want to get all the opprtunity. His scenario is different from Kohlis.

Exactly.Foolish to compare the scenarios
 
Exactly.Foolish to compare the scenarios

His overall context is right though. Indian cricket has been concentrated in the hands of 1-2 individuals in recent times and there is a cultural shift happening for the wrong reasons.

I don’t see a problem with Kohli’s decision nor
I want to over glorify Natarajan’s decision which wasn’t in his hands probably anyways but Sunny is right about the overall superstar culture that has seeped in recent times.
 
Gavaskar was always a jealous person, he was jealous of Sachin back in the days and now showing his hatred towards Kohli. Kohli is a bigger player than both combined. Cope

LOL, Sunny has always been the biggest fan of Sachin.
 
His overall context is right though. Indian cricket has been concentrated in the hands of 1-2 individuals in recent times and there is a cultural shift happening for the wrong reasons.

I don’t see a problem with Kohli’s decision nor
I want to over glorify Natarajan’s decision which wasn’t in his hands probably anyways but Sunny is right about the overall superstar culture that has seeped in recent times.

Its not recent.There since Sachin days
 
Every player wants to take leave from international cricket these days. Will be interesting to see the list of players who take paternity leaves during IPL though. :inti

I am sure when the baby grows up he/she won’t look back fondly at his/her dad’s decision to forgo millions of $ for a few weeks worth of work as some kind of magnanimous gesture .
 
I hardly like anything about Indian cricket esp. over the top statements, disconnected from reality, by our captain and coach. However on this point, Gavaskar is completely wrong. He's making it sound as Natarajan has been kidnapped and not allowed to leave. It's Natarajan choice to be with the team as net bowler and he's accepted that proposal because he's not a regular member of the team and wants to utilise every opportunity to impress the team members. It's a way of life that when you start a job in a new company, you have to make more sacrifices than your established colleagues. I have my analysts working over Xmas weekend while I am not and that's a privelege you earn with seniority and longevity.

In any profession, you make far more sacrifices in early years than you would do in later years - you work long hours, you travel for work during holidays, you compromise on your personal life - it's all part of establishing yourself. Kohli may decide on missing ranji games even when there's no international cricket, a Natarajan or a Saini can't afford to do that. That doesn't mean Natarajan is treated differently, that's how he will become a better player by spending long hours on cricket field.
 
Sachin was always accountable to the BCCI. So was Saurav and even Dhoni under Srinivasan. Who do you think Kohli reports to?

Ganguly used to override selectors and get team he wanted

Dhoni was accountable? Amarnath would tell you otherwise

Social media also made them too popular
 
Gavaskar was always a jealous person, he was jealous of Sachin back in the days and now showing his hatred towards Kohli. Kohli is a bigger player than both combined. Cope

He don't have any issues with Sachin, Shastri or Rohit, he has issues with Kapil and Kohli.
 
Of course there are different rules for different people - it’s the same with any employee/employer relationship. If someone is the top performing employee they’ll get away with more than someone who is new to a company or someone who isn’t as valuable as the next person - that’s life and the world we live in.
 
Of course there are different rules for different people - it’s the same with any employee/employer relationship. If someone is the top performing employee they’ll get away with more than someone who is new to a company or someone who isn’t as valuable as the next person - that’s life and the world we live in.

You are right. I don’t understand why some don’t get these obvious things which they have experienced in life too. Probably lack of thinking and just argue for sake of it.
From an Indian fan point of view kohli absence is very disappointing but Indian mentality should change .. it’s just a game after all.
 
So how many matches players like Shaw and Samson deserve to play after getting selected to play for India and before getting dropped?

Samson was dropped after 1 or 2 T20 games when he first made his debut. He is not a great player and could be another cr@p player but once a player earns a spot in the team he should be given enough chances. And that is why I am saying there are different rules for different players.

Ganguly wasn't the same player when he made his comeback into Indian cricket after getting dropped in 1992. Someone like Marvan Attapattu started his career with 5 ducks and a score of 1 in his first 6 innings still he played enough cricket for Sri Lanka. Not everyone will shine in their first 2-3 innings and fade away later. :inti

Go and watch some domestic tournament highlights. Shaw gets out in the same way to domestic bowlers cheaply .. leave alone class of Australian bowlers. This tells me that he is not working on his flaws and just being pushed into international cricket and not getting time to work on those flaws. Moreover he does not have a great body language on field as was evident in first game. Shubman Gill deserves a chance more than him.
Shaw is too raw and his time is in 2 or 3 years not now in test cricket.

Samson does not even perform well for his state and why do you think he needs more chances? And why not Surya kumar Yadav, gowtham all rounder from Karnataka. Lists are endless
 
So how many matches players like Shaw and Samson deserve to play after getting selected to play for India and before getting dropped?

Samson was dropped after 1 or 2 T20 games when he first made his debut. He is not a great player and could be another cr@p player but once a player earns a spot in the team he should be given enough chances. And that is why I am saying there are different rules for different players.

Ganguly wasn't the same player when he made his comeback into Indian cricket after getting dropped in 1992. Someone like Marvan Attapattu started his career with 5 ducks and a score of 1 in his first 6 innings still he played enough cricket for Sri Lanka. Not everyone will shine in their first 2-3 innings and fade away later. :inti

I do agree with you regarding Samson not getting consistent chances. But Samson chances generally come vs teams like Sri Lanka where he still manages to get out cheaply. Like I said, Samson is inconsistent even in LOI and FC cricket. He must learn to use the chance he get. It was players like Gurkreet Singh and Abhinav Mukund who got treated unfairly. Mukudn was chosen for the wrong format for example.
 
"Work for 15 hours a day. If you don't like it, you can leave the job. We give you options."

"Ok master"

"See my servant is choosing to work for 15 hours a day. He has options at his disposal. If he becomes a master, he will have more privileges. That's life. Suck it up."

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So many people missing the CONTEXT of Gavaskar's comment.

Nattu coming from a humble background isn't going to be outspoken about these things. It's natural. He hasn't seen his kid who was born during IPL.

Playing for India in LOI is a huge opportunity so he would have been absolutely ok with that.

But to keep him as a NET bowler in Aussie test series while Kohli goes and gives "gyaan" about how being there for the birth and your child is a NO BRAINER is stupid beyond measure.

"But Nattu would have agreed to it?"

Yeah sure. As if he has a choice. He would TOTALLY wanna be a net bowler in Aussie test series while Kohli gets to skip 3 tests. :))

Unless Shastri and Kohli FORCED him to go and he declined it....Gavaskar is bang on.
 
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