The Aurat March Thread - Reactions and Debate

[MenInG]

Veteran actor Shaan Shahid was slammed on social media for criticising some of the posters raised during the Aurat March held across major cities in Pakistan on International Women's Day.

Some of the placards have become a topic of debate with certain people criticising them for being "vulgar" whereas most have been upholding that the posters highlight the issues faced by women on a daily basis.

Shaan was among those who thought these posters were "not freedom" but "verbal nudity" and "do not represent our culture, our values and the respect we have for our women".

In another tweet, the actor posted pictures of some posters and wrote, "#respectforwomenfirst No brother can see this poster in the hands of his sister."

Several, including freelance writer Ahmer Naqvi and illustrator Shehzil Malik, slammed and schooled Shaan. Naqvi asked the actor whether he had seen his own films and made a collage of some scenes from them. "Acting is a choice taking on a role that is exploitative not a majboori," Naqvi said in response to a tweet.

As the Twitter exchange continued, Shaan said, "You can’t comment on actors you aren’t one, what choices they make are needed for the professionalism they represent .. where is our freedom of expression?" The tweet once again led to people questioning the hypocrisy in Shaan speaking about "freedom of expression".

Another Twitter user wrote, "Lol at Shaan being a champion of Pakistani culture, values and respect for women when his films blatantly sexualize them and reduce their existence to a mere prop to exert the ‘masculinity’ of his character but God forbid real women call out this misogynistic culture."

Following the criticism, in a tweet posted this morning, Shaan said, "#Ibelieveinauratpower if I didn’t believe in the March I wouldn’t support my wife and daughter going to it. They were at the venue holding play cards [placards], my father's song was sung at the March in Lahore, but they left. They also felt that some words could have been written differently."

However, Twitter users were quick to remind Veena that "the same women you are calling out for 'humiliating' Pakistani women were standing by you as mullahs imposed fatwas on you."

https://www.geo.tv/latest/230910-shaan-shahid-slammed-for-criticising-aurat-march-posters

 

[Sirris]

Some of the posters I saw from the "aurat march" were absolutely ridiculous, dumb and made my skin crawl. This isn't how the real issues of the society are going to be addressed and solved.

 

[Green Patriot]

Shan should be the last person criticizing supposed vulgarity etc.
His own movies through the decades as a tweet so aptly pointed out,certainly do not do him credit.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Some of the posters I saw from the "aurat march" were absolutely ridiculous, dumb and made my skin crawl. This isn't how the real issues of the society are going to be addressed and solved.

Some of them were edited by some creeps online to undermine the aurat march.

 

[Pakpak]

Some of the posters I saw from the "aurat march" were absolutely ridiculous, dumb and made my skin crawl. This isn't how the real issues of the society are going to be addressed and solved.

The mens' posters in reply on social media have been a joke as well. Sh1t like ''when will it be men first''. Erm...in Pakistan its always men first.

Western men can complain about OTT feminism. No way on earth men in Pakistan can say the same, everything from marriages to money to jobs is massively biased towards men.

 

[Rana]

Honestly, some terrible posters were at display. No need to be OTT liberal for some of these people!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Honestly, some terrible posters were at display. No need to be OTT liberal for some of these people!

Any examples available of terrible posters on display?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Any examples available of terrible posters on display?

The ones from your favourite country.

 

[Rana]

Any examples available of terrible posters on display?

They are not civil enough to mention here in public. They had a sexual undertone in them.

The ones I can mention but I still wouldn't are some of those that were openly criticising Islam. I don't speak for the experiences of 100% Muslim women so I cannot say if they were wrong, but I do feel that they were incorrect due to a lack of knowledge or bad personal experiences.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The ones from your favourite country.

Not sure whether you are referring to Britain or India here but touche all the same.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They are not civil enough to mention here in public. They had a sexual undertone in them.

The ones I can mention but I still wouldn't are some of those that were openly criticising Islam. I don't speak for the experiences of 100% Muslim women so I cannot say if they were wrong, but I do feel that they were incorrect due to a lack of knowledge or bad personal experiences.

Fatima Bhutto has released a new novel, there was an article about it in the Sunday Times. She was featured with a photo wearing a skimpy blouse and declaring that she was not religious. If the family of a former Prime minister can write novels for a western audience, then I suppose you can legitimately ask what is suitable and what isn't? Clearly there is a wide variety of views in Pakistan so who gets to decide what is suitable and what isn't?

 

[Rana]

Fatima Bhutto has released a new novel, there was an article about it in the Sunday Times. She was featured with a photo wearing a skimpy blouse and declaring that she was not religious. If the family of a former Prime minister can write novels for a western audience, then I suppose you can legitimately ask what is suitable and what isn't? Clearly there is a wide variety of views in Pakistan so who gets to decide what is suitable and what isn't?

I do not believe in censorship of freedom of speech. Nor do I believe that what these women did or write on these posters is illegal. To me I find it a bit cringeworthy in the sense that it needs one huge women's march in which women can hold posters saying "I will warm up your food, but warm up your own bed". Not sure what is the point of such things? "Warm up your own tea". Is a march going to change things or make these women look a bit silly?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Fatima Bhutto has released a new novel, there was an article about it in the Sunday Times. She was featured with a photo wearing a skimpy blouse and declaring that she was not religious. If the family of a former Prime minister can write novels for a western audience, then I suppose you can legitimately ask what is suitable and what isn't? Clearly there is a wide variety of views in Pakistan so who gets to decide what is suitable and what isn't?

A skimpy blouse? Really?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ma-on-what-really-drives-extremists-t28rfzp6b

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A skimpy blouse? Really?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ma-on-what-really-drives-extremists-t28rfzp6b

I was obviously referring to Pakistan standards where you still have shuttlecock burkas in some regions. Bear in mind we are talking about an Islamic republic here, although the above photo perhaps demonstrates that Pakistan is certainly on the more liberal and forward looking side of Islamic states.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Since Gabbar Singh has posted the link to the article I mentioned, probably a good idea to post an extract so we can get the gist of her new book:

She cuts a petite, elegantly dressed figure when we meet in the offices of her UK publisher, and is friendly in the distinctively careful way of someone whose family name has been drawing attention since the day she was born. She tends to equivocate with “I think” and “you know” and “maybe”, but her credentials as a global author are impeccable. Educated at Columbia University in Manhattan, and London’s School of Oriental and African Studies, she has been a columnist for a Pakistani newspaper and is the author of a bestselling 2010 family memoir, Songs of Blood and Sword. The Runaways is a stunning novel, already well received at home in Pakistan. And yet her literary agents had begged her not to write it — and no publishing house in the US has yet been willing to print it.

“It’s amazing, isn’t it?” she smiles sadly. “Because I don’t think it’s that controversial a book. I think it’s just asking you to imagine the lives of people that you would otherwise only see on the news.”

The three youngsters in The Runaways join Isis for very different reasons. One is a young and secretly gay British Muslim man, Sunny, born and raised in Portsmouth by a widowed Pakistani immigrant father whose eagerness to assimilate irks and alienates his only child. Another is Anita, a half-Christian Pakistani whose brother pimps her to business associates in Dubai. She renames herself Layla and flees to become a social media propaganda warrior for Isis. The third is Monty, a naive, pampered teenager who falls in love with Layla at school, becomes disenchanted with his privileged world and resolves to follow her and win her back.

That none of the young recruits is motivated by religion is the fundamental message of the novel. “Radicalism,” Bhutto says, “as far as I can see, is not about religion. For all three, it had nothing to do with religion at all. But the conversation is always that it’s about religion. I think we have a sort of terror industry that’s been feeding us this narrative for almost 20 years, ever since 9/11. And it’s a lie. It’s not true, and it’s dangerous that it’s not true. It’s absolutely a category error. Actually it’s about power and it’s about nationalism — and it’s about isolation and pain.”

See Gabbar's post for link.

 

[Savak]

Shaan is one of those people who feel they have the right to give their opinion on everything and argue with others rather than live and let live.

 

[PakLFC]

I think he was misunderstood. Acting that is his career can not be compared to the "aurat March". Some of the placards held by ladies on the day were the most stupid demands imaginable. Read https://galaxylollywood.com/2019/03/13/shaan-shahid-aurat-march/ before judging him.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan should treat women as Islam says. This is far superiour than the western version which is promoted by this Int womens day.

Dont fall for the western narrative of women which they are seen as sexual objects most of the time.

 

[Waseem]

Liberal extremists as usually attacking Shaan who clarified that his own wife and daughter attended the March; he obviously believes in women rights and freedom otherwise he wouldn't send them there. He said that his wife and daughter left after reading some of the placards so what is wrong wit that? It's their choice if they didn't agree with what was written on placards?? If you want your choice to be respected then you must respect other's choice as well??

One of the key organisers Nighat Dad mocked and insulted Imran Khan's wife because of her dressing but now acting as champion of women rights and pretending to to defend freedom of women

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I believe men should refrain from commenting on how and what women should wear, say or do. Men only intoxicate the whole discussion.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Pakistan should treat women as Islam says. This is far superiour than the western version which is promoted by this Int womens day.

Dont fall for the western narrative of women which they are seen as sexual objects most of the time.

Or let women decide how they should be treated.

 

[Adijazz1706]

I believe men should refrain from commenting on how and what women should wear, say or do. Men only intoxicate the whole discussion.

Have women do the same in men's issues and you get segregation of the genders, which isn't too bad tbh

 

[Adijazz1706]

I think he was misunderstood. Acting that is his career can not be compared to the "aurat March". Some of the placards held by ladies on the day were the most stupid demands imaginable. Read https://galaxylollywood.com/2019/03/13/shaan-shahid-aurat-march/ before judging him.

Can't fault him too much, these are ridiculous posters )

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Organ*isers of the Aurat March held to mark International Women’s Day say they have had death and rape threats on social media over the event, which prompted complaints from some conservative groups.

Nighat Dad said that the march organisers are looking into filing a complaint with the Federal Investigation Authority (FIA) about the online harassment.

Also read: Why the Aurat March is a revolutionary feat for Pakistan

“It has gone too far in terms of death and rape threats to the organisers and also to the marchers,” Dad said, adding that one of the threatening accounts had been suspended by Twitter.

The event, which attracted tens of thousands of women on March 8, was only the second of its kind in Pakistan, which a Thomson Reuters Foundation poll found to be the sixth most dangerous country for women in 2018.

A Human Rights Watch report last year estimated that 1,000 “honour killings” — the practice of relatives murdering girls or women because they think the victim has brought shame or dishonour on the family — take place in Pakistan each year.

Another march organiser, who asked not to be identified, said the backlash “shows that this collective organisation of women has threatened the patriarchal forces”.

Pakistan has experienced a surge in social media usage with more than 40 million Facebook users. The rapid growth has sparked an online debate about misogyny, with some women highlighting daily hate and pornographic messaging.

The days following the march have seen social media attacks on women, while some prominent men have complained about “obscene” signs carried by protesters.

A member of the country’s largest religious political party filed a complaint with police, seen by Reuters, in Karachi where approximately 7,000 women attended the march, saying the protesters “provoked religious sentiments” and spread vulgarity.

The march organisers also said the media had focused on the backlash more than the original aims of the event.

“The media played a massively negative role in this campaign ... they just looked at what trolls were saying online and picked up [on] a few placards that were provocative to try and sell their content,” Dad said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1470144/aurat-march-organisers-receive-online-death-threats

 

[MenInG]

Provincial lawmakers in northwestern Pakistan have assailed as anti-Islamic women's marches held earlier this month across the country to mark the International Women's Day.

Lawmakers in the Khyber Pukhtunkhwa provincial parliament unanimously adopted a resolution on Wednesday denouncing the marches as a "shameless and un-Islamic act."

The lawmakers included those from Pakistan's ruling party of former cricket star turned Prime Minister Imran Khan and those from opposition parties, including the left-leaning Pakistan People's Party now led by the son of ex-Premier Benazir Bhutto.

On the holiday, observed every March 8, Pakistani women carried posters demanding women's rights, attacking Pakistan's patriarchal society and celebrating being single or divorced.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nation-world/article228215784.html

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While a liberal progressive non Muslim Woman leading New Zealand is using her secular Govt to promote better understanding of Islam, this Cleric in Pakistan is using the mosque to defame Islam promoting sexual violence against liberal progressive women in Pakistan seeking rights <a href="https://t.co/aLmKnoDt7B">pic.twitter.com/aLmKnoDt7B</a></p>— M. Jibran Nasir (@MJibranNasir) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJibranNasir/status/1108729217645268992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[minamino]

Pakistani men's fragile egos being hurt by Aurat March

Why the egos of Pakistani men are so fragile that it would get hurt by women protesting against harassment and discrimination?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why the egos of Pakistani men are so fragile that it would get hurt by women protesting against harassment and discrimination?

I think we need to ask you since you are a self confessed Pakistani man. So why is your ego so fragile and hurt? I am asking as a born and bred Brit so I have no axe to grind here, just want to know from a neutral perspective.

 

[minamino]

I think we need to ask you since you are a self confessed Pakistani man. So why is your ego so fragile and hurt? I am asking as a born and bred Brit so I have no axe to grind here, just want to know from a neutral perspective.

I am different from other Pakistanis. I am talking about the majority. I probably belong to the 10% or even less.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am different from other Pakistanis. I am talking about the majority. I probably belong to the 10% or even less.

Yes, but I have asked quite a lot of Pakistanis the same thing, and they say they have it is the 10% who claim to be different who have fragile egos and are hurt by women protesting about harrassment.

Their reasoning is that the type of trolls you see on social media are the ones who adopt false personas online and might hate women because they are confused about their own sexuality.

 

[Bigboii]

I think we need to ask you since you are a self confessed Pakistani man. So why is your ego so fragile and hurt? I am asking as a born and bred Brit so I have no axe to grind here, just want to know from a neutral perspective.

Hey born and bred Brit weren't you the one crying about Fatima Bhutto wearing a skimpy blouse when she was wearing a suit made for business environment?
(The hypocrisy at it's worst)

 

[troodon]

Pakistan should treat women as Islam says. This is far superiour than the western version which is promoted by this Int womens day.

Dont fall for the western narrative of women which they are seen as sexual objects most of the time.

Keep them in Burqas. Not mingle with unrelated men and their worth is only half of men and their brains are deficient?

No women would accept the above in 2020.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hey born and bred Brit weren't you the one crying about Fatima Bhutto wearing a skimpy blouse when she was wearing a suit made for business environment?
(The hypocrisy at it's worst)

It was a skimpy blouse, but where did you see me complaining about it? Do you have a problem with women wearing skimpy blouses if you don't mind me asking? Have you actually read the posts you are complaining about?

 

[Poutine]

Keep them in Burqas. Not mingle with unrelated men and their worth is only half of men and their brains are deficient?

No women would accept the above in 2020.

It might shock you but just because you read a few pages on a Islamophobic website doesn't make you an expert on Islam. If you really want to learn why don't you read some proper sources instead of just copy pasting stuff you once saw on some website.

 

[Bigboii]

It was a skimpy blouse, but where did you see me complaining about it? Do you have a problem with women wearing skimpy blouses if you don't mind me asking? Have you actually read the posts you are complaining about?

You were saying she was wearing a skimpy blouse when she was clearly not wearing a skimpy blouse
and it definitely sounded like you were throwing some shade at her direction (wearing a skimpy blouse is a character assassination my Mr born and bred Brit friend in our society) and if you were not complaining about her wearing a skimpy blouse why would you lie? It was intended to degrade her as a woman.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You were saying she was wearing a skimpy blouse when she was clearly not wearing a skimpy blouse
and it definitely sounded like you were throwing some shade at her direction (wearing a skimpy blouse is a character assassination my Mr born and bred Brit friend in our society) and if you were not complaining about her wearing a skimpy blouse why would you lie? It was intended to degrade her as a woman.

Skimpy blouse is a British term not a Pakistani one, Skimpy just means tight fitting over here, I have no idea what it is supposed to represent in 'your' society. At no point did I say there was anything wrong with the skimpy blouse, if anything it seems to have rattled your cage for some reason. That is why I am asking do you have a problem with women wearing skimpy blouses?

 

[Ronaldo7]

Keep them in Burqas. Not mingle with unrelated men and their worth is only half of men and their brains are deficient?

No women would accept the above in 2020.

Firstly, Burqa is not even mentioned in the Quran so don't know where you got that from?
oh yeah. from that p-g Tarek Fatah.

A woman is only told to wear a scarf or cover her head iirc. Men are also advised to wear a topi which most men in Pakistan wear.

Also, the "not mingle with unrelated men" applies to men too but in the opposite way. You are not allowed to talk recklessly to a woman. If you need to talk about something important then that's allowed.

I don't even know where you got the other two from.

So stop visiting islamophobic sites. I could visit anti-Hindu and Anti-Indian sites to get my knowledge but i don't.

 

[Poutine]

[MENTION=149383]Ronaldo7[/MENTION] Good post, it seems like some people read a few Tarek Fateh tweets and think they have become experts on Islam.

 

[Bigboii]

Skimpy blouse is a British term not a Pakistani one, Skimpy just means tight fitting over here, I have no idea what it is supposed to represent in 'your' society. At no point did I say there was anything wrong with the skimpy blouse, if anything it seems to have rattled your cage for some reason. That is why I am asking do you have a problem with women wearing skimpy blouses?

I don't know why you have to that "your" but ok
It's Britain not Mars we can't have definitions of a skimpy blouse that are miles apart what she was wearing was a proper business attire it was not by any means a "skimpy blouse" and you shouldn't be calling it a skimpy blouse because it shows a woman of character in a bad light
and I don't know why you are so interested in knowing my opinion on women wearing skimpy blouse cause either way your opinion on this particular issue will stay wrong and disgusting (notice I said on this particular issue cause I quiet like most of your posts but on this particular issue you are dead wrong)

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Do not know much about the march so I wont give an opinion on it . I do know Shaan and from personal experience , he is a grade A a-hole.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Firstly, Burqa is not even mentioned in the Quran so don't know where you got that from?
oh yeah. from that p-g Tarek Fatah.

A woman is only told to wear a scarf or cover her head iirc. Men are also advised to wear a topi which most men in Pakistan wear.

Also, the "not mingle with unrelated men" applies to men too but in the opposite way. You are not allowed to talk recklessly to a woman. If you need to talk about something important then that's allowed.

I don't even know where you got the other two from.

So stop visiting islamophobic sites. I could visit anti-Hindu and Anti-Indian sites to get my knowledge but i don't.

POTW amazing post
Some people are just jaahil and ignorant they dont know anything about islam so make up things

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Why the egos of Pakistani men are so fragile that it would get hurt by women protesting against harassment and discrimination?

The answer is in your question. These are Pakistani men we are talking about. Pakistani men are the reason Pakistan is like it is. They are the embodiment of hypocrisy and misogyny

 

[Nadeemp]

Based mostly on a 2011 UNICEF report, partial list of countries where a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man:

Bahrain (in Sharia courts)[24]
Egypt (in family courts)[25]
Iran (in most cases)[26]
Iraq (in some cases)[27]
Jordan (in Sharia courts)[28]
Kuwait (in family courts)[29]
Libya (in some cases)[30]
Morocco (in family cases)[31]
Palestine (in cases related to marriage, divorce and child custody)[32]
Qatar (family law matters: in some cases, half, and in some, unacceptable)[33]
Saudi Arabia[34]
Syria (in Sharia courts)[35]
United Arab Emirates (in criminal matters and in some civil matters)[36]
Yemen (in some cases, half, and in cases of adultery and retribution, unacceptable)[37]
OIC countries where women's testimony is known to be equal to a man's in all cases:

Algeria[38]
Tunisia[39]
Oman[40]

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't know why you have to that "your" but ok
It's Britain not Mars we can't have definitions of a skimpy blouse that are miles apart what she was wearing was a proper business attire it was not by any means a "skimpy blouse" and you shouldn't be calling it a skimpy blouse because it shows a woman of character in a bad light
and I don't know why you are so interested in knowing my opinion on women wearing skimpy blouse cause either way your opinion on this particular issue will stay wrong and disgusting (notice I said on this particular issue cause I quiet like most of your posts but on this particular issue you are dead wrong)

You only find it disgusting because you think someone saying she is wearing a skimpy blouse is wrong. We don't believe that it is in England, so have no problem saying it. For us it is not something which is something to be ashamed of, and at no point did I say it was. Try looking back to the context of the post it was said, in fact quote the whole post and let's go through it and get some clarity if you have any doubt.

 

[Syed1]

Based mostly on a 2011 UNICEF report, partial list of countries where a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man:

Bahrain (in Sharia courts)[24]
Egypt (in family courts)[25]
Iran (in most cases)[26]
Iraq (in some cases)[27]
Jordan (in Sharia courts)[28]
Kuwait (in family courts)[29]
Libya (in some cases)[30]
Morocco (in family cases)[31]
Palestine (in cases related to marriage, divorce and child custody)[32]
Qatar (family law matters: in some cases, half, and in some, unacceptable)[33]
Saudi Arabia[34]
Syria (in Sharia courts)[35]
United Arab Emirates (in criminal matters and in some civil matters)[36]
Yemen (in some cases, half, and in cases of adultery and retribution, unacceptable)[37]
OIC countries where women's testimony is known to be equal to a man's in all cases:

Algeria[38]
Tunisia[39]
Oman[40]

I don't know our judicial system well, but I was glad to find Pak not on that list. I hope it's true and not an oversight. It would suck if even in the 21st century Pakistani courts are not seeing man and woman as equal.

 

[shah_1]

Women can do anything they want unless they are not breaking laws of Pakistan. If Pakistani women find some laws discriminatory or no strong laws for some cases, then they can file a peition in the court, or start a movement but they should be allowed to do what they find. If Aurat march is not breaking any law, it should go on and you can criticise the march but can't stop it


Our society is very intolerant, judgemental and full of social media warriors

 

[troodon]

Look at the clown talking in Pak Parliament. Oldies seem to be trembling with female empowerment.


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[Thomaskutty]

Skimpy blouse is a British term not a Pakistani one, Skimpy just means tight fitting over here, I have no idea what it is supposed to represent in 'your' society.

Skimpy in England has the same meaning as it does everywhere, and it is definitely not what Fatima is wearing in that pic..which looks like part of a business suit. You have accidentally revealed the puritannical side of yourself.

Nothing to be ashamed about it though, I would say just be honest about it.

 

[MenInG]

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Miandad joins in the debate

 

[Ryw]

Fully agree with what Miandad is explaining, he has travelled all over the world and knows the reality of Mera jism mere marzi Birgade

 

[fasihulhaq94]

Fully agree with what Miandad is explaining, he has travelled all over the world and knows the reality of Mera jism mere marzi Birgade

really?

astonished that an admin would hold such views

 

[Pakpak]

really?

astonished that an admin would hold such views

When you see the stickers and memes posted by Ryw in the other thread you won't be shocked at all.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Skimpy in England has the same meaning as it does everywhere, and it is definitely not what Fatima is wearing in that pic..which looks like part of a business suit. You have accidentally revealed the puritannical side of yourself.

Nothing to be ashamed about it though, I would say just be honest about it.

No I think it reveals more about you. At no point did I say there was anything wrong with what she was wearing, like all others who have taken issue with the word skimpy, I invite you to quote me in full to prove what you are saying about me being puritanical.

 

[InziRules]

Aurat marched stoned by Pakistani Men

 

[saeedhk]

^Those were the beasts of Mullah Burka. Everything seems to be fine now.

 

[boomboomcheema]

One of the Gems from Aurat March.

 

[InziRules]

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One of the Gems from Aurat March.

Not an Aurat, probably a planted man by the establishment!

 

[boomboomcheema]

Not an Aurat, probably a planted man by the establishment!

Conspiracy theories.

Okay another gem from the March.

 

[Pakpak]

Conspiracy theories.

Okay another gem from the March.

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Not sure if you know what sarcasm is. The placard is sarcastic. Its like me on a anti-racism march with family and kids to show people we are normal people like everyone else in London carrying a placard with a picture of Tommy saying 'Muslim terror march'. It wouldn't mean we are terrorists. It would mean that hey look at how ordinary we are compared to what Tommy R said.

I can't believe I had to explain this to you.

 

[boomboomcheema]

More Gems

 

[Pakpak]

More Gems

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Such laws about same sex will never be passed in Pakistan so not sure why you're so worried. As you're worried enough to post about it so I hope you're not living in the West where such principles are common. Otherwise we find a lot of spineless people who can't back up their words.

 

[saeedhk]

Conspiracy theories.

Okay another gem from the March.

View attachment 99837

You just exposed your ignorance!!! There is a story behind the poster. Read read up Ahmed Ali Butt on Instagram.

 

[troodon]

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Miandad joins in the debate

A well traveled man like Miandad holding such regressive views is pathetic.

Anyway Miandad has pointed out the issue. It is Islam and it has clear boundaries for women which Aurat March wants to go away.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Pakistani women have more rights than in majority of Muslim countries, and as education and prosperity increase in Pakistan, those rights will increase even further. They should go for incremental reforms, instead of hoping that everything will change at once.

So maybe focus on things like equal inheritance, that are possible.

 

[InziRules]

Pakistani women have more rights than in majority of Muslim countries, and as education and prosperity increase in Pakistan, those rights will increase even further. They should go for incremental reforms, instead of hoping that everything will change at once.

So maybe focus on things like equal inheritance, that are possible.

Equal inheritance is already possible, and the Islamic way is right on this. A woman gets property twice, once from her husband, once from her father, so it's okay for it to be half as it's twice. If anyone doesn't want to do this, they can get a will

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Equal inheritance is already possible, and the Islamic way is right on this. A woman gets property twice, once from her husband, once from her father, so it's okay for it to be half as it's twice. If anyone doesn't want to do this, they can get a will

The Islamic way was the most progressive in the World in the 7th century. We are now in the 21st century. A liberal view of Islam would definitely recommend making the inheritance law equal by default, as how you view religious scriptures should depend on the era which you live in.

 

[Pakpak]

Pakistani women have more rights than in majority of Muslim countries, and as education and prosperity increase in Pakistan, those rights will increase even further. They should go for incremental reforms, instead of hoping that everything will change at once.

So maybe focus on things like equal inheritance, that are possible.

Good post too. Inheritance I know personally as I have seen women in my family suffer for it.

 

[Musakhel]

The Islamic way was the most progressive in the World in the 7th century. We are now in the 21st century. A liberal view of Islam would definitely recommend making the inheritance law equal by default, as how you view religious scriptures should depend on the era which you live in.

You can't change what Allah has ordered in the Quran dosen't matter which century you live in.

 

[IMMY69]

A well traveled man like Miandad holding such regressive views is pathetic.

Anyway Miandad has pointed out the issue. It is Islam and it has clear boundaries for women which Aurat March wants to go away.

Don’t you mean a pathetic man like Miandad is regressive.....

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

You can't change what Allah has ordered in the Quran dosen't matter which century you live in.

You can have 100 different interpretations of religion. For example one liberal interpretation of polygamy is that men used to die in war, so it was necessary as there was a man shortage, but now it is no longer needed.

So basically you view can view religion like science which can change.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Good post too. Inheritance I know personally as I have seen women in my family suffer for it.

I have seen some shameless men who are not even religious, wanting the Islamic share when there parents die. Pure greed.

 

[IMMY69]

You can have 100 different interpretations of religion. For example one liberal interpretation of polygamy is that men used to die in war, so it was necessary as there was a man shortage, but now it is no longer needed.

So basically you view can view religion like science which can change.

Spot on

Only those with closed minds are destined for regression and he’ll fire awaits them.
Immy69
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she looks like one of the libturd girl in your high school who is a vegan and says gun violence is the biggest tragedy facing US and she is been with every guy,girl and tran imaginable
This poster suits her tbh if she was saying something I would be surprised

 

[Musakhel]

You can have 100 different interpretations of religion. For example one liberal interpretation of polygamy is that men used to die in war, so it was necessary as there was a man shortage, but now it is no longer needed.

So basically you view can view religion like science which can change.

Lol seriously 'liberal interpretation ' what interpretation is there of this verse, please go ahead is there something everyone else has missed over 1400 years, that some liberal has finally Deciphered?

Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate. And if there is only one, for her is half. And for one's parents, to each one of them is a sixth of his estate if he left children. But if he had no children and the parents [alone] inherit from him, then for his mother is one third. And if he had brothers [or sisters], for his mother is a sixth, after any bequest he [may have] made or debt. Your parents or your children - you know not which of them are nearest to you in benefit. [These shares are] an obligation [imposed] by Allah . Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise. [4:11]

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't know what's the point of Aurat March. What is it hoping to accomplish?

 

[Stewie]

I don't know what's the point of Aurat March. What is it hoping to accomplish?

Our nation is too gullible.

Aurat March is nothing but just a recognition of the international women’s day. Some females got carried away with it and had some catchy, borderline provocative posters last year.. now this year even before the March, there was a concerted effort to spread disinformation about the March.. there were photoshopped photos and fake slogans and this and that. It was all done to get a reaction from our public.. so when they do start criticizing the March, the western media can report how backwards we are.

Tell me if this whole thing didn’t make sense? The March didn’t even happen till today and we all saw the garbage stuff online.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Question to Pakpassion posters,
Did anyone member's mother, sister or wife participate in this march?

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Our nation is too gullible.

Aurat March is nothing but just a recognition of the international women’s day. Some females got carried away with it and had some catchy, borderline provocative posters last year.. now this year even before the March, there was a concerted effort to spread disinformation about the March.. there were photoshopped photos and fake slogans and this and that. It was all done to get a reaction from our public.. so when they do start criticizing the March, the western media can report how backwards we are.

Tell me if this whole thing didn’t make sense? The March didn’t even happen till today and we all saw the garbage stuff online.

is this is the only day to recognize women? What about rest of 364 days?

 

[InziRules]

is this is the only day to recognize women? What about rest of 364 days?

Is Eid the only day to be happy? What about the rest of the 363 days?

Is Ramadan the only time to fast for ALLAH? What about the rest of the 335 days?

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Is Eid the only day to be happy? What about the rest of the 363 days?

Is Ramadan the only time to fast for ALLAH? What about the rest of the 335 days?

Friday is also known as EID. There are other days also for fast such as 6 days of shawal, etc.
Is there any other day for aurat march?

Did female in your family participate in this march?