The boat of starving Rohingya refugees that no country will take in

[Gabbar Singh]

They've been at sea for 3 months yet are turned away by Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia.

The emaciated faces of hundreds of refugees found adrift in Thai waters on Thursday spoke volumes about the scale of the humanitarian crisis unfolding in South Asia.

Reporters on Thursday found about 400 refugees from Myanmar's Muslim Rohingya minority crammed aboard a wooden fishing boat in the Andaman Sea, desperate for food and water.

The refugees said they had been at sea for almost three months and had fled persecution in their home country. They had hoped to reach Malaysia but were turned away by Malay authorities. Six days ago, smugglers abandoned their ship, and ten people had already perished onboard, refugees said.

Christophe Archambault, a photographer for Agence France Presse, captured the harrowing scenes onboard the ship, and the desperate scramble for supplies that were eventually dropped by the Thai military.

Aid groups say at least 6,000 refugees -- and perhaps many times that number -- have been drifting for days and months in the waters between Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia. They were abandoned with little food and water by human traffickers after a regional crackdown on smuggling networks. Most are Rohingya Muslims who are stateless in Myanmar and Bangladeshis trying to escape poverty.

Only a few boats have been able to reach safe shore. On Thursday, Thailand and Malaysia turned away boats crammed with starving refugees as officials washed their hands of the crisis. "We have to send the right message that they are not welcome here," Malaysian Deputy Home Minister Wan Junaidi Jafaar told The Associated Press, adding: "What do you expect us to do?" Thai Prime Minister Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha said it wasn't fair for his country to shoulder the burden of accepting refugees. "No one wants them," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/boat-people-photos_n_7283178.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Oh God....its feels sad seeing these pics.

The stuff some go through in life is something we can never comprehend.

 

[yeh cheez]

Why do Muslim countries never take Muslim refugees from other countries.

How many Syrian refugees have Saudi taken? Or the Somalis who want to escape from the living hell? Never see the oil rich Arab countries helping other Muslim refugees.

Malaysia and Indonesia should step up and welcome the Ummah instead of pushing them away to float in the sea.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Why do Muslim countries never take Muslim refugees from other countries.

How many Syrian refugees have Saudi taken? Or the Somalis who want to escape from the living hell? Never see the oil rich Arab countries helping other Muslim refugees.

Malaysia and Indonesia should step up and welcome the Ummah instead of pushing them away to float in the sea.

Problem is what happens if you take them in?

Other desperate folk from impoverished areas take the same gamble, pay some smugglers and end up in the exact same cycle. There are 2 ways these things can stop.

1. Refuse to let anyone in i.e. Australian approach. If desperate people see that there's no way they can get to their destination they wont pay smugglers and smugglers will go do something else. IMO, while its harsh, its the correct approach unless of course we're talking about desperate war refugees like those from Syria.

2. The host country takes responsibility and tries to fix the issue that made them leave in the first place. Has never and wont ever happen.

Its a very sad state of affairs

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Problem is what happens if you take them in?

Other desperate folk from impoverished areas take the same gamble, pay some smugglers and end up in the exact same cycle. There are 2 ways these things can stop.

1. Refuse to let anyone in i.e. Australian approach. If desperate people see that there's no way they can get to their destination they wont pay smugglers and smugglers will go do something else. IMO, while its harsh, its the correct approach unless of course we're talking about desperate war refugees like those from Syria.

2. The host country takes responsibility and tries to fix the issue that made them leave in the first place. Has never and wont ever happen.

Its a very sad state of affairs

Yes.

As much as these articles are emotional, can't blame Malaysia or Indonesia. They are doing what is right for them.

 

[yeh cheez]

I am ok with Muslim countries not taking these Muslim refugees.

But then...

Muslims shouldn't throw a tantrum when a Muslim gets killed in Non-Muslim countries like India, USA, UK, etc. like we saw when a young couple was killed over a parking dispute in North Carolina. [emoji22]

If Muslim countries do not give equal rights to their Non-Muslim citizens and cry over Muslim lives lost in Non-Muslim lands then on the same token they should take all Muslim refugees as well, since Muslim lives are the only ones that matter to them. [emoji120]

Can't have the cake and eat it too. [emoji512]

 

[archetype]

why doesn't Bangladesh let them in?

 

[yeh cheez]

Why isn't #MuslimLivesMatter trending on Twitter?

We always see such useless trends after a thug kills a Muslim in a Non-Muslim country (where everyone has equal rights and the thug would be punished as per law).

Maybe a Non-Muslim country will have to step up again to help these Muslims. A few years later their children will complain that equal rights are not good enough and they should have 'special privileges' according to Sharia Law.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I am ok with Muslim countries not taking these Muslim refugees.

But then...

Muslims shouldn't throw a tantrum when a Muslim gets killed in Non-Muslim countries like India, USA, UK, etc. like we saw when a young couple was killed over a parking dispute in North Carolina. [emoji22]

If Muslim countries do not give equal rights to their Non-Muslim citizens and cry over Muslim lives lost in Non-Muslim lands then on the same token they should take all Muslim refugees as well, since Muslim lives are the only ones that matter to them. [emoji120]

Can't have the cake and eat it too. [emoji512]

More muslims in India than in Pakistan.

Secondly, what is so muslim about your so called muslim countries anyway?

 

[yeh cheez]

More muslims in India than in Pakistan.

Secondly, what is so muslim about your so called muslim countries anyway?

Just because India has more Muslims than Pakistan, it is a Muslim country?

India will become a Muslim country when Muslims become majority. Don't worry you will know when that happens because you will promptly be banned from holding positions of power in the Government where your ancestors have lived for centuries, people will be killed or imprisoned for life over the victimless crime of blasphemy, and Muslims will ban their fellow Muslims from changing their religion. [emoji121]

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Malaysia is a reasonably advanced and rich country. They should have at least given them shelter. May be Saudis could layoff a couple of their parties and donate that money to help these people.

Very sad to see so many people in that boat. They look very thin and desparate for food.

 

[yeh cheez]

Rohingya Muslim Refugees Can No Longer Wed In Bangladesh

Bangladesh law minister Syed Anisul Haque announced on Thursday that the country would cease officiating marriages for Rohingya Muslims, an ethnic minority group that has been displaced from Myanmar due to persecution.

The marriage ban affects Rohingyas attempting to wed one another and those seeking unions with Bangladeshi nationals, the Malaysian Insider reports. Haque claimed that Rohingyas seek marriages in order to obtain Bangladeshi passports and even citizenship for those marrying country nationals, which the ban would prevent.

Marriage registrars face disciplinary action if they fail to comply, law ministry spokesman Abdullah Al Shahin said.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/10/rohingya-muslims-bangladesh_n_5574415.html

Not only does Bangladesh not take the Muslim Rohingya refugees, but the ones already in Bangladesh cannot marry.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Why do Muslim countries never take Muslim refugees from other countries.

Some do. The largest refugee communities in the world live in Pakistan, Iran, Jordan and Lebanon.

But yes the rich Muslims countries like the Gulf nations and Malyasia, Brunei etc should do more.

 

[Cricket_Fan93]

More muslims in India than in Pakistan.

Secondly, what is so muslim about your so called muslim countries anyway?

Thats false, Pakistan has more Muslims than us, you can easily check that in few seconds by googling it and or going to wikipedia. Never a good idea to spread information unless you are 100% sure.

 

[yeh cheez]

Some do. The largest refugee communities in the world live in Pakistan, Iran, Jordan and Lebanon.

But yes the rich Muslims countries like the Gulf nations and Malyasia, Brunei etc should do more.

You failed to mention that many of these refugees are treated as trash once they are dumped in refugee camps, and in many cases not allowed full citizenship rights and are forced to live in limbo for many years.
So much for being one Ummah.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Thats false, Pakistan has more Muslims than us, you can easily check that in few seconds by googling it and or going to wikipedia. Never a good idea to spread information unless you are 100% sure.

Its very close anyways.

https://www.google.co.in/search?rlz...edr...0...1c.1.64.serp..6.36.1793.WUHOi9V8c5Y

No big difference in 11% vs 10.9%.

 

[Cricket_Fan93]

Its very close anyways.

https://www.google.co.in/search?rlz...edr...0...1c.1.64.serp..6.36.1793.WUHOi9V8c5Y

No big difference in 11% vs 10.9%.

Close but still not accurate. Maybe its just me but i just find it annoying when people present their assumptions as facts like FC did in that post, so i corrected him.

 

[Saeed]

Some do. The largest refugee communities in the world live in Pakistan, Iran, Jordan and Lebanon.

But yes the rich Muslims countries like the Gulf nations and Malyasia, Brunei etc should do more.

He is just trolling, don't take him seriously. All he does is make generalized comments to seek attention.

 

[SULTAN]

Some do. The largest refugee communities in the world live in Pakistan, Iran, Jordan and Lebanon.

But yes the rich Muslims countries like the Gulf nations and Malyasia, Brunei etc should do more.

YehCheez is an idiot and posts BS to seek attention.

No need to waste your time correcting him with facts b/c trolls gonna troll.

 

[Raw deal]

Oh.. Boy..these pictures are gut wrenching...countries should see them as human beings first then worry about their religion..

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Oh.. Boy..these pictures are gut wrenching...countries should see them as human beings first then worry about their religion..

They are not refusing them due to religion.

They are refusing cos accepting refugees sets a precedent which would lead to further problems.

Where will you stop?

Refugees from other countries will start pouring in by paying the smugglers to take them to the country that accepts them.

See Donal's post.

I do hope some country does take them but its a complicated issue.

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

a thread about Rohingya Refugees and ya cheez starts his small point scoring aganist muslims and islam ..a guy who portrays himself as a savior of minority's but when its muslims who r the minority he laughs at them .. and saudis have given citizenship to some rohingya refugees and given 50 million in aid to them .. ..some islamofobs make me sick the ones who would derail any thread to islam bashing and small scoring against muslims .

 

[yeh cheez]

a thread about Rohingya Refugees and ya cheez starts his small point scoring aganist muslims and islam ..a guy who portrays himself as a savior of minority's but when its muslims who r the minority he laughs at them .. and saudis have given citizenship to some rohingya refugees and given 50 million in aid to them .. ..some islamofobs make me sick the ones who would derail any thread to islam bashing and small scoring against muslims .

I am pointing out the hypocrisy of Muslims who claim to be one Ummah, but are not helping their fellow Rohingya Muslim brothers in need.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am pointing out the hypocrisy of Muslims who claim to be one Ummah, but are not helping their fellow Rohingya Muslim brothers in need.

Inshallah with ISIS demolishing borders in the middle east the Ummah will be re-established and the blighted Rohingya will be able to settle in any country they choose which is under the protectorate of the Caliphate.

 

[yeh cheez]

Inshallah with ISIS demolishing borders in the middle east the Ummah will be re-established and the blighted Rohingya will be able to settle in any country they choose which is under the protectorate of the Caliphate.

We are told ISIS are not Muslims, and their actions are contradictory to Islam, but you are saying otherwise.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We are told ISIS are not Muslims, and their actions are contradictory to Islam, but you are saying otherwise.

You have succeeded in changing my mind my cheezy friend. Now I realise Ummah and the brotherhood of man comes above all else.

 

[yeh cheez]

You have succeeded in changing my mind my cheezy friend. Now I realise Ummah and the brotherhood of man comes above all else.

No need for name calling.

There are plenty of rich Muslim countries who can lend a hand to the needy. Saudi could easily settle all the desperate Rohingyas. No need for the genocidal entity like ISIS - that is just an excuse.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No need for name calling.

There are plenty of rich Muslim countries who can lend a hand to the needy. Saudi could easily settle all the desperate Rohingyas. No need for the genocidal entity like ISIS - that is just an excuse.

The Rohingyas are Bangladeshis according to the gentle Buddhists of Burma. Shouldn't the Bangladesh govt accept them if this is indeed true Mr Cheez if you won't accept the freedom of movement which is proposed by the Caliphate whose Ummah you were championing right in this very thread?

 

[RWAC]

The Rohingyas are Bangladeshis according to the gentle Buddhists of Burma. Shouldn't the Bangladesh govt accept them if this is indeed true Mr Cheez if you won't accept the freedom of movement which is proposed by the Caliphate whose Ummah you were championing right in this very thread?

No thanks we know where they will end up eventually.

 

[RWAC]

Extremely heart-breaking images. The more sad part is that people travelled to multiple countries but they all refused to take them.

I wish there was a solution to the the refugee problem, but I don't see any as long as the world is divided along nationalistic boundaries. I would have hoped religious camaraderie would have motivated people to help but even that doesn't seem to be there.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No thanks we know where they will end up eventually.

Where would that be? Forgive me for my ignorance.

 

[Bewal Express]

I feel pain when I hear and see the plight of these people. Muslim countries firstly need to treat minorities with respect and give them protection and then we should demand the same for Muslims in places like Burma.

 

[RWAC]

Where would that be? Forgive me for my ignorance.

Back in Burma, where else. Bangladesh has been trying to send them back to Myanmar.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Back in Burma, where else. Bangladesh has been trying to send them back to Myanmar.

But Burmese are suggesting these are Bangladeshi migrants in the first place. I wish we could accept these people as part of the human Ummah but sadly borders and fences are still seen as a massive divide.

 

[justarslan]

]More muslims in India than in Pakistan.[/B]

Secondly, what is so muslim about your so called muslim countries anyway?

Pakistan 178,097,000
Hindustan 177,286,000

 

[moumotta]

Desperate killings at sea

http://www.theage.com.au/world/desp...rohingya-fleeing-myanmar-20150517-gh3dpo.html

Pattani: Survivors of a boat that sank off Indonesia have described a bloody struggle for dwindling supplies of food on board, as thousands of illegal economic migrants and asylum-seekers remain perilously adrift at sea in the Malacca Strait and Andaman Sea.

People were thrown overboard as Rohingya and Bangladeshis fought for their survival, according to accounts of one of the grimmest episodes to emerge in a spiralling humanitarian disaster in south-east Asian waters.

Mahmud Rafiq, a 21-year-old Rohingya man who left Myanmar a month ago, said people on board the boat agreed to leave the little food that was left to women and children.

"They then started hitting us. They took the food," Rafiq said.

"They pushed many of us overboard. They beat us and attacked us with knives," he said. "I was hit with a wooden plank on the head and on my legs."

Another survivor, Muhammad Koyes, said before the boat sank it had been turned away by both Indonesia and Malaysia in a round of maritime "ping pong" that has been criticised by the United Nations, the United States and other countries.

Photographs and video of people stranded at sea show distressed and emaciated men, women and children, many of them reportedly in need of medical treatment.

The UN has appealed for regional nations to launch urgent rescue operations to bring the boats ashore.

"We're not seeing any such moves from any governments in the region even though we're calling on the international community to take action because people are dying," said Jeffrey Savage from the UN refugee agency.

The crisis unfolded last month when Thailand began cracking down on human trafficking networks backed by powerful political figures, local officials and police after the discovery of mass graves and smuggler camps in remote areas near the Thailand and Malaysian borders.

The crackdown prompted traffickers to abandon asylum-seekers who had made the dangerous journey across the Bay of Bengal from Myanmar and Bangladesh.

The crisis has shattered the notion of co-operation within the 10-member Association of South-East Asian Nations as Thailand and Malaysia urged Myanmar, the country also called Burma, to act to stop a mass exodus of Rohingya from its western Arakan State.

More than 25,000 people attempted the journey in the first three months of this year with an estimated 300 dying from starvation, disease or beatings by boat crew and people smugglers.

However Myanmar has rejected a call to attend a Thai hosted regional summit on May 29 to discuss the crisis.

Malaysia's prime minister Najib Razak on Saturday said he would seek help from Myanmar to help address what he called a "humanitarian catastrophe".

"I hope they will give a positive response as the refugees are due to internal problems that we cannot interfere with, but we want to do something before it gets worse," he said.

For years Malaysia turned a blind eye to the arrival on its shores through human trafficking networks of tens of thousands of Rohingya who provided cheap labour and lived quietly among Malaysians.

But since the Thai crackdown Malaysia has declared Rohingya unwelcome and pushed boats back out to sea.

The UN and refugee advocates estimate there could be as many as 8,000 people still stranded on overcrowded boats while more than 2,000 have managed to come ashore in Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia in recent weeks.

The US State Department said Secretary of State John Kerry has phoned his Thai counterpart to "discuss the possibility of Thailand providing temporary accommodation for them".

But Thailand's military leaders have said they could not host camps without help from other countries and international agencies.

They also said they are worried that establishing camps could provoke a wave of new arrivals from Myanmar, where 1.3 million Rohingya are effectively stateless, refused citizenship and basic rightsalthough Rohingya have lived in the country for generations.

They have often been the target of Buddhist mobs and tens of thousands live in squalid camps.

The Bangladeshis are believed to be mainly illegal economic migrants.

 

[Watsupdoc]

This is insane. Are these guys not human?

 

[LongHorn]

A lot of people following the Mahatir/LKY schools of thought like to boast about Asian "values" being superior than the West, but in such cases the West are more humane than Asian countries, at least in the recent past

 

[AFG_Brit]

Let's forget about them being Muslim, why isn't the international community doing anything about them to give them their basic human rights?


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[Donal Cozzie]

Let's forget about them being Muslim, why isn't the international community doing anything about them to give them their basic human rights?


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Problem is as I stated before what happens whens you take them in?

You'll have every single desperate soul from Bangladesh and elsewhere heading straight for your doorstep hoping for the same treatment and more will die trying to get there.

Reality is all they can do is try head back where they came and try change things for the better there, but now even that looks impossible, very sad state of affairs.

 

[Markhor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32772333

Migrants rescued from a sinking boat off Indonesia have told the BBC that about 100 people died after a fight broke out over the last remaining food.

Survivors told of horrific conditions. Three men separately said people were stabbed, hanged or thrown overboard.

The 700 rescued migrants from Myanmar and Bangladesh are being processed by the Indonesian authorities.

Thousands of migrants are estimated to be adrift in South East Asian waters, denied permission to land.

 

[yeh cheez]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32772333

Migrants rescued from a sinking boat off Indonesia have told the BBC that about 100 people died after a fight broke out over the last remaining food.

Survivors told of horrific conditions. Three men separately said people were stabbed, hanged or thrown overboard.

The 700 rescued migrants from Myanmar and Bangladesh are being processed by the Indonesian authorities.

Thousands of migrants are estimated to be adrift in South East Asian waters, denied permission to land.

Indonesia stepping up to help the Rohingyas was the best solution for the Rohingyas and the host country. As Rohingyas can live under Sharia Law if they want to, since Indonesia is a Muslim country.

Almost all Non-Muslim countries from India to UK, have some friction with their local Muslim community, either due to their demand of more Sharia Law or an independence from the Infidel state they are living in.

This is one of the reasons why Thailand which is already under attack by its local Muslim groups, would be hesitant to take in the Muslim Rohingyas refugees.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...re-15-people-thailands-restive-south-31059472

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Close but still not accurate. Maybe its just me but i just find it annoying when people present their assumptions as facts like FC did in that post, so i corrected him.

Well....in the past, I too remember reading that India having more Muslim population than Pak.

Estimated 2010 population.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-to...ries-with-largest-muslim-populations-map.html

Things may have changed but opinions tend to stick.

 

[Major]

All i see in this thread is muslim. muslim. muslim.... ntohing else.

Does there religion really matter?


I'm more interested in why Myanmar made them refugees.

 

[KingKhanWC]

All i see in this thread is muslim. muslim. muslim.... ntohing else.

Does there religion really matter?


I'm more interested in why Myanmar made them refugees.

State sponsored Buddhist nationalism, terrorism against a minority. Their religion is the matter.

This is an ongoing genocide of Muslims. People have been burnt to death, elderly women have been butchered, villages wiped out. The aim of the Buddhist terrorists is to cleanse the land of all Muslims.

It's a crying shame the Muslims nations especially the likes of Pakistan have done little to stop this. The US who claims to be the upholder of human rights and the policeman of the world is instead helping Burma to become democratic, ignoring the massacres which are taking place.

 

[QazzarFan]

State sponsored Buddhist nationalism, terrorism against a minority. Their religion is the matter.

This is an ongoing genocide of Muslims. People have been burnt to death, elderly women have been butchered, villages wiped out. The aim of the Buddhist terrorists is to cleanse the land of all Muslims.

It's a crying shame the Muslims nations especially the likes of Pakistan have done little to stop this. The US who claims to be the upholder of human rights and the policeman of the world is instead helping Burma to become democratic, ignoring the massacres which are taking place.

Uhoh here comes the online warrior. Bro, Pakistan cannot even protect its own Muslims. Where's your outrage brah? Speaking of killings, ever heard of what Muslims have been doing in Phillipines and Thailand in a bid to carve out their own territory? How comez u no show outrage then? O, right...victims are kafir.

 

[Varun]

It's a crying shame the Muslims nations especially the likes of Pakistan have done little to stop this.

Do any of these people in the boat have a Pakistani passport? No? End of. Pakistan needn't do anything.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indonesia stepping up to help the Rohingyas was the best solution for the Rohingyas and the host country. As Rohingyas can live under Sharia Law if they want to, since Indonesia is a Muslim country.

Almost all Non-Muslim countries from India to UK, have some friction with their local Muslim community, either due to their demand of more Sharia Law or an independence from the Infidel state they are living in.

This is one of the reasons why Thailand which is already under attack by its local Muslim groups, would be hesitant to take in the Muslim Rohingyas refugees.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...re-15-people-thailands-restive-south-31059472

I agree cheez bro, the only hope for these people is the Muslim Ummah, therefore let us pray for the victory of ISIS where borders will be smashed and the Rohingyas can dwell under Shariah law.

 

[yeh cheez]

I agree cheez bro, the only hope for these people is the Muslim Ummah, therefore let us pray for the victory of ISIS where borders will be smashed and the Rohingyas can dwell under Shariah law.

Muslim countries are already an Ummah, ISIS is taking it to the next level and forming a Caliphate. When are you leaving the secular Britain and to join ISIS if you are so excited about it?

Secular laws are needed in all Muslim countries, so that lives of all humans are valued, irrespective of religion.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Muslim countries are already an Ummah, ISIS is taking it to the next level and forming a Caliphate. When are you leaving the secular Britain and to join ISIS if you are so excited about it?

Secular laws are needed in all Muslim countries, so that lives of all humans are valued, irrespective of religion.

I'm booking my ticket to New York first cheezy. Where do you live, I might pop by for a visit. Ignore the ticking sound coming from my suitcase, that's just a particularly loud clock.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Uhoh here comes the online warrior. Bro, Pakistan cannot even protect its own Muslims. Where's your outrage brah? Speaking of killings, ever heard of what Muslims have been doing in Phillipines and Thailand in a bid to carve out their own territory? How comez u no show outrage then? O, right...victims are kafir.

lol. If you prefer a face to face discussion, let's skype as I doubt you will be willing to have a coffee

It's not surprising a supporter of American terrorism would not comment on the thread topic but instead rant about Muslims killing Muslims. Please show a bit of self respect and comment on the topic. Do you feel the Bhuddist extremists are not committing massacres and genocides supported by the state?

Pakistan is nothing like Bangladesh, it has a strong army, nuclear power and geo-political world power, it's not Bangladesh bro.

Pakistan should use it's influence to strongly condemn the regime who is behind the genocides and use China to help with this influence. America does it all the time for the terrorist state of Israel.

 

[Slog]

It's a crying shame the Muslims nations especially the likes of Pakistan have done little to stop this.

Maybe Pakistan should take care of its own people first for a change?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Maybe Pakistan should take care of its own people first for a change?

If bothered to look, you'll find Pakistan is trying it's best. It's easy for you sit behind your keyboard but fyi thousands of brave soldiers have been killed defending Pakistan. Pakistan has been the biggest victim of terrorism in the world, a proxy war because of it's importance in the world. There is a lot more work to do but why don't volunteer to help out?

Pakistan as a geopolitical force should put pressure on the regime Myanmar to stop this genocide, Muslims have a duty to do so, if you are a Muslim and understand the basics of the religion.

 

[Slog]

If bothered to look, you'll find Pakistan is trying it's best. It's easy for you sit behind your keyboard but fyi thousands of brave soldiers have been killed defending Pakistan. Pakistan has been the biggest victim of terrorism in the world, a proxy war because of it's importance in the world. There is a lot more work to do but why don't volunteer to help out?

Pakistan as a geopolitical force should put pressure on the regime Myanmar to stop this genocide, Muslims have a duty to do so, if you are a Muslim and understand the basics of the religion.

By that token our priority should be bring back the 200,000+ stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh who have been stuck in a limbo and terrible conditions for 40 years now because they supported Pakistan in the 1971 War

Or try to make sure that the shias and hazaras are not massacred on a weekly basis

as it is there is so much ethnic strife and you want to potentially bring in more outsiders.

sometimes its good to live in the real world

also don't tell me whats my duties as a Muslim.

 

[Varun]

Pakistan as a geopolitical force should put pressure on the regime Myanmar to stop this genocide, Muslims have a duty to do so, if you are a Muslim and understand the basics of the religion.

Is that so? Campaign for a 'Passport of Islam' to be created, get one for yourself and everybody else like minded and off you go and do whatever in Myanmar, Chad and Angola. Saner folks with a passport from Pakistan will rightly recognize their duties to their country and country alone and wouldn't give a second thought about a despot nation 2000 miles away.

 

[Thivagar]

Why do Muslim countries never take Muslim refugees from other countries.

How many Syrian refugees have Saudi taken? Or the Somalis who want to escape from the living hell? Never see the oil rich Arab countries helping other Muslim refugees.

Malaysia and Indonesia should step up and welcome the Ummah instead of pushing them away to float in the sea.

Different cultures, different race and so on. Western Europeans look at Eastern Europeans the same way. Subcontinent people in general are not the most welcomed kind apart from the silicon valley. People place less value on 3rd world countries and their lives. If they were Ukrainian asylum seekers fleeing war in Ukraine they wouldn't have been sent back.

 

[Thivagar]

Problem is what happens if you take them in?

Other desperate folk from impoverished areas take the same gamble, pay some smugglers and end up in the exact same cycle. There are 2 ways these things can stop.

1. Refuse to let anyone in i.e. Australian approach. If desperate people see that there's no way they can get to their destination they wont pay smugglers and smugglers will go do something else. IMO, while its harsh, its the correct approach unless of course we're talking about desperate war refugees like those from Syria.

2. The host country takes responsibility and tries to fix the issue that made them leave in the first place. Has never and wont ever happen.

Its a very sad state of affairs

3. Extend your border, keep your coast guard and a "detention centre" on the most busiest route where these asylum seekers come through. This allows them to be caught 1000s of KM away from their own waters, allowing them to limit lawyer and other NGO services to limit their rights. Australia is known for doing this.

4. Fund countries that these migrants come through so they are equipped to stop these boats before reaching the Australian and European Union waters. Australia funds the likes of Indonesia and Thailand. EU countries have started this practice to limit African migrants from entering the EU. EU uses Italy and Morocco to extend their borders. These countries also indirectly bribe officials of these nations to make sure that they actually do the work.

 

[Thivagar]

I took a full year course on Migration and Refugees this year. My professors was chosen as the 20th professor to endorse a treaty set between US and Canada. She did the exact same thing other 19 professors did, turn down the offer, got together and bashed them. Governments hate Sociology, Social science and every professors that teach make you a better human being.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The horror continues.

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[Dios]

Bangladesh should invade Myanmar and annex the Rakhine state. Enough of this nonsense. What a farce that Aung San Suu Kyi is a Nobel Peace Prize winner and seen as a champion of humanity and democracy.

 

[JaDed]

Myanmar behaving like how Middle east rulers behaved in medieval period,ruthless and inhumane,Suu kyi is a joke .

Even followers of Buddhism have turned to non-violence in the name of religion, Jainism now remains the only religion whose followers haven't taken up violence yet against others.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is evil from the Burmese govt, it shows the terrible weakness of muslim countries both morally and militarily. Morally they cant condemned because of their appalling treatment of minorities in muslim lands and militarily all their efforts are spent fighting each other.

 

[Thivagar]

Bangladesh should invade Myanmar and annex the Rakhine state. Enough of this nonsense. What a farce that Aung San Suu Kyi is a Nobel Peace Prize winner and seen as a champion of humanity and democracy.

This is evil from the Burmese govt, it shows the terrible weakness of muslim countries both morally and militarily. Morally they cant condemned because of their appalling treatment of minorities in muslim lands and militarily all their efforts are spent fighting each other.

Bangladesh isn't going to do that, no country can afford to go to war like that.

It is not "weakness" it is simply that they don't care enough to take useful actions.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Myanmar behaving like how Middle east rulers behaved in medieval period,ruthless and inhumane,Suu kyi is a joke .

Even followers of Buddhism have turned to non-violence in the name of religion, Jainism now remains the only religion whose followers haven't taken up violence yet against others.

Why compare Myanamar with specifically middle east rulers from the medieval period? Weren't all rulers in the medieval period pretty brutal?

 

[speed]

This is evil from the Burmese govt, it shows the terrible weakness of muslim countries both morally and militarily. Morally they cant condemned because of their appalling treatment of minorities in muslim lands and militarily all their efforts are spent fighting each other.

Pak army wants to sell fighter jets to Burma, simply pathetic.

 

[Pakistanian]

Aung San Suu Kyi is a disgusting woman, I've lost all respect for her.

 

[Bewal Express]

Pak army wants to sell fighter jets to Burma, simply pathetic.

Muslim brotherhood can't compete with $.

 

[PakLFC]

Bangladesh is morally obliged to help these people like we are the Kashmiris.

 

[Bewal Express]

Bangladesh isn't going to do that, no country can afford to go to war like that.

It is not "weakness" it is simply that they don't care enough to take useful actions.

It's weakness which itself comes from a total lack of moral standing.

 

[Justcrazy]

What if in retaliation Bhuddist people are attacked ?

This is insane , and Other countries should take action.

 

[JaDed]

Why compare Myanamar with specifically middle east rulers from the medieval period? Weren't all rulers in the medieval period pretty brutal?

In terms of religion not exactly,Buddhism ,Hinduism,Sikhism,Jainism never really battled much against each other.
It was more of a regional than religious.

My dig is more at all religions than say "medieval" rulers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In terms of religion not exactly,Buddhism ,Hinduism,Sikhism,Jainism never really battled much against each other.
It was more of a regional than religious.

My dig is more at all religions than say "medieval" rulers.

I was thinking more in terms of medieval Europe and Christianity which was also pretty brutal during the medieval period ( you did specify medieval so that is why I am using your own yardstick).

I take your point of comparing Indian region religions favourably as compared to medieval middle eastern religion, but I was of the impression that the caste system also meant there was much cruelty in that region as well, not only to lower castes but even women who were expected to burn on the funeral pyres of their husbands?

 

[PakLFC]

It is for Muslim countries to take these people in. When the west does what Muslim's want they are rightly painted as being good, we should stop begging NATO to always come to the help of Muslim people. It is high time Muslim people and governments started taking responsibility for their so called Ummat.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Yes.

As much as these articles are emotional, can't blame Malaysia or Indonesia. They are doing what is right for them.

Trust me dude....Malaysian Government is probably the most corrupt government, at the moment in all of South Asia and this is coming from someone who has lived both in Pakistan and Malaysia. They are extremely racist and have class based citizenship for their own locals; based on ethnicity . Basically a living policy of how Donald Trump is planning on shaping America.

The country does look all roses and sunshine from afar but in reality it is far from it and these are the kind of people who basically treat you based on how you look / what skin color tone you have !! Pretty pathetic to say the least

Just ask any Chinese or Indian Malaysian and they will tell you how they are treated here, this is the same reason I prefer to only do business with Singaporeans even though I live / work in Malaysia [most of the time]. Because in contrast Singaporeans (who are not Muslims) treat other ethnic groups, whether you be Muslim, Hindu, etc etc, much more kindly and are highly fair in their business dealings as well.

I am not surprised that these inhumane bigots refused to let this ship dock and take these few hundred refugees onto their shores (who actually are in genuine need of this help) when at the same time their prime minister does not see the blatant corruption in the Immigration Department, Just ask any Bangladeshi who has ever gone through a Malaysian immigration - It's pretty sad

This ship should just try to reach either India or Pakistan and I am sure people in either of these countries would at least let them dock and make do to the necessary arrangements. We took in 2 million Afghan refugees in the 80s, a couple of more hundreds here would be no problem at all !!

 

[Thivagar]

In terms of religion not exactly,Buddhism ,Hinduism,Sikhism,Jainism never really battled much against each other.
It was more of a regional than religious.

My dig is more at all religions than say "medieval" rulers.

Medivel Europeans were the worst of the worst. They never showered, used their living room as a toilet and so many disgusting habits became a norm during the "dark age" and 25% of Europe's population was wiped out during this time. Women's favourite pass time was watching people get their head chopped off and if someone suspected you of being a witch, you had to be tied and tossed in to a river. If your body float after you die, then you are innocent and vice versa. Remember, 30 years ago Blacks in South Africa still didn't have the same rights as the Whites and Women couldn't vote 60 years ago. Now imagine how the world would have been a 1000 years ago ? I'm glad I wasn't born then.

 

[JaDed]

I was thinking more in terms of medieval Europe and Christianity which was also pretty brutal during the medieval period ( you did specify medieval so that is why I am using your own yardstick).

I take your point of comparing Indian region religions favourably as compared to medieval middle eastern religion, but I was of the impression that the caste system also meant there was much cruelty in that region as well, not only to lower castes but even women who were expected to burn on the funeral pyres of their husbands?

You might be right,I would say Caste was similar although one was not persecuted based on caste but discriminated on its base.But yes it should fall in the same bracket of cruelty.

Sati though was mind boggling and stupid considering Women supported it,its more horrific than persecution of Rohingya Muslims, imo as imagine "Rohingya" Muslims supporting killing of their own.

 

[Saeed]

Hopefully Aung San will get jailed again. She is no better than dictators around the world.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This ship should just try to reach either India or Pakistan and I am sure people in either of these countries would at least let them dock and make do to the necessary arrangements. We took in 2 million Afghan refugees in the 80s, a couple of more hundreds here would be no problem at all !!

I wonder what the official Bangladesh position is on this crisis? After all, the Burmese govt stance is that the Rohingyas are actually illegal Bangladeshi immigrants as far as I know. I don't think they have given any official comment on the crisis.

 

[Slog]

I wonder what the official Bangladesh position is on this crisis? After all, the Burmese govt stance is that the Rohingyas are actually illegal Bangladeshi immigrants as far as I know. I don't think they have given any official comment on the crisis.

The Ronhingya elders consider themselves Pakistanis and Quaid-e-Azam said that he will make them part oef East Pakistan

 

[Slog]

Medivel Europeans were the worst of the worst. They never showered, used their living room as a toilet and so many disgusting habits became a norm during the "dark age" and 25% of Europe's population was wiped out during this time. Women's favourite pass time was watching people get their head chopped off and if someone suspected you of being a witch, you had to be tied and tossed in to a river. If your body float after you die, then you are innocent and vice versa. Remember, 30 years ago Blacks in South Africa still didn't have the same rights as the Whites and Women couldn't vote 60 years ago. Now imagine how the world would have been a 1000 years ago ? I'm glad I wasn't born then.

India wasnt any better

a woman's life was tied to her husband and she was thrown into a fire to die during her husband's funeral

and many others equaly bad practises which im sure you know about