The chargesheet against Waqar Younis

[AlphaFighter]

I think his History is more than sufficient. I am just shocked as to how the PCB could go back to this failure for the 3rd time.

Let's have a look at his colorful history

1) Led the revolt against Wasim Akram's captaincy, an episode which was to haunt our cricket team for such a long time an which wrecked havoc on a side with so many world class players

2) Fined in the Justice Qayyum report and recommended never to be involved in a coaching position or a role in the PCB

3) Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket team's to an absolute disasterous WC in 2003. When he arrived back home he wasted no time in lashing out at Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzamam e.t.c. for conspiring against him and deliberately not giving their 100% in the WC. Read the 2003 WC debacle report where it talks about how Waqar was a deeply unpopular captain and not liked by his team mates at all who found him to be very stubborn, rude and difficult to deal with

4) Resigned from the Pakistani bowling coach duties out of protest from being demoted to the PCB. Inzamam and Woolmer in their feedback to the PCB felt he was not taking his job seriously.

5) Accepted an interim bowling and fielding coach assignment to the tour of Australia in 2010. After the disasterous tour was over, he refused to appear before the PCB inquiry committee to probe into the tour and instead gave a statement that he will only appear before the National Assembly and not before the PCB. Next thing we know Waqar has been appointed coach of the Pakistani Cricket team.

6) In his coaching tenure from 2010 to 2011, he continuously lobbied against the senior players and scapegoated them i.e. Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Yousaf and demanded their ouster from the team. It is on record that he demanded Ahmed Shehzad be dropped from the team after an argument in the dressing room during the West Indies tour where the player sided with his captain Afridi in his tussle with the coach. Shehzad was not to be seen and given a proper chance in the team again until October 2013.

7) In his coaching tenure from 2014 to now. Let me remind the beloved Misbah fans that it is on record that both Waqar Younis and Moin Khan gave feedback to Shehryar Khan after the tour of Sri Lanka in 2014 that Misbah was a misfit for ODI Cricket and recommended that Afridi be appointed captain of the ODI team instead. This is on record and has been confirmed by Syk himself. This is the same Waqar who lobbied for Afridi's captaincy over Misbah, so in effect he cannot, he cannot complain and scapegoat Afridi and his captaincy now.

8) People going on and on about how Afridi is the real problem, how Waqar is just blindly agreeing with everything Afridi is doing, is Afridi also dictating to Waqar Younis as far as the ODI Side is concerned? Last time i checked Azhar Ali was the ODI captain.

9) Players have continously complained against Waqar about his high handed, arrogant, rude approach towards them, his one dimensional over training approach and we have seen for ourselves in the last 2 years he has not contributed any major strategic moves in the team.

10) I thought the press conference after the NZ game where he let his personal feelings about Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal out pretty much sums him up. The guy will do anything to get back at someone he doesn't like. He is a very vindictive fellow. As poor as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal have been, let us not forget that they are constantly under pressure for their own spots in the team, Akmal is already out from the ODI and Test team, Shehzad too is suffering the same fate. The fact of the matter is that we do not have replacements for them. They have to be worked on and given more confidence and backing as oppossed to a coach who lets his feelings known that he doesn't want them in his squad.

I hope the entire world takes note of these things and for the sake of their teams well beings do not consider Waqar ever again for a coaching role. Heck Wasim has been a much more successful coach than Waqar.

Waqar should just stick to commentary and stop fooling people with his british accent and Australian residency about how professional he is. He is not. His history always catches up with him.

 

[indian_sap]

Perfectly said - nailed it

Get either Langer or Kirsten as coach, please no local or bowling coaches again.

 

[Canistani Hero]

Perfectly said - nailed it

Get either Langer or Kirsten as coach, please no local or bowling coaches again.

Would they even want to come? Tom Moody seems like Pak's best bet at this point.

 

[pillionrider]

There are some contradictions in the OP in terms of whom he sides with. He doesn't allegedly seem to have one consistent favourite, which is actually a good thing as a coach. Means he is reacting based on behaviour irrespective of the person.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I think a change in coach is in order, particularly in LOIs. However, the best coach in the world will be unsuccessful in current Pakistani set up. You need to change a lot to enable a new coach to be successful.

 

[Asif 81]

In order to coach fools, the person should be master in foolishness (M. Fool) himself !!

~ PCB logic !!

 

[Asim2Good]

3) Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket team's to an absolute disasterous WC in 2003. When he arrived back home he wasted no time in lashing out at Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzamam e.t.c. for conspiring against him and deliberately not giving their 100% in the WC. Read the 2003 WC debacle report where it talks about how Waqar was a deeply unpopular captain and not liked by his team mates at all who found him to be very stubborn, rude and difficult to deal with

IIRC Waqar was captain in 2002 but Wasim Lobbied for himself to be captain before WC but PCB refused his request and continued with Waqar and result clearly shows team was not playing as unit. there was clear grouping within team at that time


6) In his coaching tenure from 2010 to 2011, he continuously lobbied against the senior players and scapegoated them i.e. Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Yousaf and demanded their ouster from the team. It is on record that he demanded Ahmed Shehzad be dropped from the team after an argument in the dressing room during the West Indies tour where the player sided with his captain Afridi in his tussle with the coach. Shehzad was not to be seen and given a proper chance in the team again until October 2013.

that was about time when Yousaf also opted to play in ICL and was not at good terms with PCB himself
lets not talk about attitude of Shoaib & Afridi, we all know what kind of players they have been over the years
and we will just forget Shehzad's performance during that time when he was dropped from team ? his WC2011 scores were like 1,13,12,10,8 and these matches include vc kenye,canada,zimbabwe

7) In his coaching tenure from 2014 to now. Let me remind the beloved Misbah fans that it is on record that both Waqar Younis and Moin Khan gave feedback to Shehryar Khan after the tour of Sri Lanka in 2014 that Misbah was a misfit for ODI Cricket and recommended that Afridi be appointed captain of the ODI team instead. This is on record and has been confirmed by Syk himself. This is the same Waqar who lobbied for Afridi's captaincy over Misbah, so in effect he cannot, he cannot complain and scapegoat Afridi and his captaincy now.

Waqar may b involved in this too, but Afridi (jsut like his mentor Wasim) lobbied himself against Misbah jsut before WC to made captain but PCB continue wth WC and we all know Afridi's performance in WC2015, I believe he only got 3 wickets in wole wc ( and 2 of them were against UAE)


9) Players have continously complained against Waqar about his high handed, arrogant, rude approach towards them, his one dimensional over training approach and we have seen for ourselves in the last 2 years he has not contributed any major strategic moves in the team.

Everyone is complaing here on PP how unfit our team looks, so someone was making them do workout and be fit, if our players can't do that, they should sit at home.


10) I thought the press conference after the NZ game where he let his personal feelings about Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal out pretty much sums him up. The guy will do anything to get back at someone he doesn't like. He is a very vindictive fellow. As poor as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal have been, let us not forget that they are constantly under pressure for their own spots in the team, Akmal is already out from the ODI and Test team, Shehzad too is suffering the same fate. The fact of the matter is that we do not have replacements for them. They have to be worked on and given more confidence and backing as oppossed to a coach who lets his feelings known that he doesn't want them in his squad.

Akmal have no right to complain to Imran Khan and make drama infront of every body specially when Imran Khan is outsider and not involved with Pak team. They are being dropped because they are not performing well

Heck Wasim has been a much more successful coach than Waqar.

Wasim is father of grouping within team
.

I am not in favour of Pakistani "Legends" to be part of coaching staff with National team because they are simply not good enough. I m not sure but I think none of them have any coaching certificates or something.
To have successful team, PCB need to finish this Player Power game, its been going on far too long now. tried n tested failures are playing for pak for more than 10 years, its becoming a joke now

 

[www787]

2003 world cup team was only strong on paper.

no argument against rest of the charges.

 

[Suleiman]

Chargesheet lmao )

Are you trying to get him a life sentence in jail or get him sacked as coach? Opening post makes it look list of crimes commited.

 

[muqarrab]

I am not in favour of Pakistani "Legends" to be part of coaching staff with National team because they are simply not good enough. I m not sure but I think none of them have any coaching certificates or something.
To have successful team, PCB need to finish this Player Power game, its been going on far too long now. tried n tested failures are playing for pak for more than 10 years, its becoming a joke now

Good points here, i'd like to add that

1.) Aqib javed led that revolt, it can be argues easily that waqar did not benefit from it. In the correct scheme of things waqar would have succeeded wasim, he did captain in wasim's absence, but this aqib javed led revolt compromised waqar's positions too....

2.) Factually incorrect, no such recommendation was made in qayuum report. He was fined because the commission felt that he was not cooperating, at the same time commission said that all allegations against him were baseless.

 

[indian_sap]

Would they even want to come? Tom Moody seems like Pak's best bet at this point.

Show them the Green Grass Paisa phenk tamasha dekh!

This is my priority list:
Langer
Kirsten
Deano
Moody

 

[Cricket-passion]

2003 world cup team was only strong on paper.

no argument against rest of the charges.

On paper? That team beat Aussies in their backyard in a hard fought ODI series 9 months before the cup.

 

[Suleiman]

Show them the Green Grass Paisa phenk tamasha dekh!

This is my priority list:
Langer
Kirsten
Deano
Moody

Langer is already lined up for a job with CA, think [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] mentioned this before, can't remember.

Kirsten is not interested in coaching atm wants to spend time with his fam, which is why he quit the SAF job.

Not sure why people keep bringing up Moody, I don't recall him showing much interest before, nor have PCB approached, but I think it may work.

Deano is likely.

Though not sure which foreign coach would want to work with an unprofessional set-up like PCB.

and lol this reminds me, back when Whatmore had knives out against him Pak fans were chanting how they wanted a local coach who could communicate and be on the same wave length blah blah.. and now we are yearning for a foreign coach again.

Truth is we have a talentless bunch, change of coach is not going to do much. Kutte ki dum kabhi seedhi nahi hoti

 

[Convict]

Langer is not an option.

 

[indian_sap]

Langer is already lined up for a job with CA, think [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] mentioned this before, can't remember.

Kirsten is not interested in coaching atm wants to spend time with his fam, which is why he quit the SAF job.

Not sure why people keep bringing up Moody, I don't recall him showing much interest before, nor have PCB approached, but I think it may work.

Deano is likely.

Though not sure which foreign coach would want to work with an unprofessional set-up like PCB.

and lol this reminds me, back when Whatmore had knives out against him Pak fans were chanting how they wanted a local coach who could communicate and be on the same wave length blah blah.. and now we are yearning for a foreign coach again.

Truth is we have a talentless bunch, change of coach is not going to do much. Kutte ki dum kabhi seedhi nahi hoti

Langer and Kirsten not available is seriously bad news for Pakistan cricket - I'm just left with Deano then, who else?

 

[Suleiman]

Langer and Kirsten not available is seriously bad news for Pakistan cricket - I'm just left with Deano then, who else?

Yeah deano, or Grant can hit up his bro Andy and we will have brother reunion at Pak cricket team.

Then you will have Akmal broskis and Grant broskis - band of brothers

Seriously speaking though, don't we need a coach like Andy? Methodical, analytical, strict, and good game awareness.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Charge sheet. )

 

[indian_sap]

Yeah deano, or Grant can hit up his bro Andy and we will have brother reunion at Pak cricket team.

Then you will have Akmal broskis and Grant broskis - band of brothers

Seriously speaking though, don't we need a coach like Andy? Methodical, analytical, strict, and good game awareness.

Well, remember Andy was heavily criticized by English cricket for being a hard taskmaster (similar to Waqar) and too analytical/ methodical hence not sure whether his strict disciplinary tactics would work - personally feel Deano would be good.

 

[Warrior]

I think his History is more than sufficient. I am just shocked as to how the PCB could go back to this failure for the 3rd time.

Let's have a look at his colorful history

1) Led the revolt against Wasim Akram's captaincy, an episode which was to haunt our cricket team for such a long time an which wrecked havoc on a side with so many world class players

2) Fined in the Justice Qayyum report and recommended never to be involved in a coaching position or a role in the PCB

3) Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket team's to an absolute disasterous WC in 2003. When he arrived back home he wasted no time in lashing out at Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzamam e.t.c. for conspiring against him and deliberately not giving their 100% in the WC. Read the 2003 WC debacle report where it talks about how Waqar was a deeply unpopular captain and not liked by his team mates at all who found him to be very stubborn, rude and difficult to deal with

4) Resigned from the Pakistani bowling coach duties out of protest from being demoted to the PCB. Inzamam and Woolmer in their feedback to the PCB felt he was not taking his job seriously.

5) Accepted an interim bowling and fielding coach assignment to the tour of Australia in 2010. After the disasterous tour was over, he refused to appear before the PCB inquiry committee to probe into the tour and instead gave a statement that he will only appear before the National Assembly and not before the PCB. Next thing we know Waqar has been appointed coach of the Pakistani Cricket team.

6) In his coaching tenure from 2010 to 2011, he continuously lobbied against the senior players and scapegoated them i.e. Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Yousaf and demanded their ouster from the team. It is on record that he demanded Ahmed Shehzad be dropped from the team after an argument in the dressing room during the West Indies tour where the player sided with his captain Afridi in his tussle with the coach. Shehzad was not to be seen and given a proper chance in the team again until October 2013.

7) In his coaching tenure from 2014 to now. Let me remind the beloved Misbah fans that it is on record that both Waqar Younis and Moin Khan gave feedback to Shehryar Khan after the tour of Sri Lanka in 2014 that Misbah was a misfit for ODI Cricket and recommended that Afridi be appointed captain of the ODI team instead. This is on record and has been confirmed by Syk himself. This is the same Waqar who lobbied for Afridi's captaincy over Misbah, so in effect he cannot, he cannot complain and scapegoat Afridi and his captaincy now.

8) People going on and on about how Afridi is the real problem, how Waqar is just blindly agreeing with everything Afridi is doing, is Afridi also dictating to Waqar Younis as far as the ODI Side is concerned? Last time i checked Azhar Ali was the ODI captain.

9) Players have continously complained against Waqar about his high handed, arrogant, rude approach towards them, his one dimensional over training approach and we have seen for ourselves in the last 2 years he has not contributed any major strategic moves in the team.

10) I thought the press conference after the NZ game where he let his personal feelings about Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal out pretty much sums him up. The guy will do anything to get back at someone he doesn't like. He is a very vindictive fellow. As poor as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal have been, let us not forget that they are constantly under pressure for their own spots in the team, Akmal is already out from the ODI and Test team, Shehzad too is suffering the same fate. The fact of the matter is that we do not have replacements for them. They have to be worked on and given more confidence and backing as oppossed to a coach who lets his feelings known that he doesn't want them in his squad.

I hope the entire world takes note of these things and for the sake of their teams well beings do not consider Waqar ever again for a coaching role. Heck Wasim has been a much more successful coach than Waqar.

Waqar should just stick to commentary and stop fooling people with his british accent and Australian residency about how professional he is. He is not. His history always catches up with him.

Absolutely disgusting post.

Similar "charge sheet" posts can be done against Wasim Akram, Afridi, etc and I can assure you that they will be longer and will shock the living daylights out of posters.

Unbelievably ridiculous original post.

 

[Saj]

Chargesheet lol

Waqar may no tbe the best coach in the world but he is a damn lot more committed than some of the Pakistan players, as per Grant Flower's comments today which are an eye opener.

Maybe we need a chargesheet thread for some of the players

 

[Warrior]

Chargesheet lol

Waqar may no tbe the best coach in the world but he is a damn lot more committed than some of the Pakistan players, as per Grant Flower's comments today which are an eye opener.

Maybe we need a chargesheet thread for some of the players

Exactly.

I'm actually ****** off at the original post especially as the original poster is intelligent and writes well but is grossly unfair against Waqar. Sure he isn't perfect and has made mistakes but the OP is disgusting and a lot of it is pure nonsense.

As I said before a "charge sheet" against Wasim Akram and every Justin Bieber loving PP poster's favourite Afridi will shock the living daylights out of posters.

 

[Mamoon]

"Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket"

Yes, fool those with your revisionism whose memory doesn't go back beyond 2010.

That team was strong only one paper.

Wasim, Waqar himself, Saeed, Latif were some of the key players who were past it, while we had an opener like Elahi who was not international standard.

Inzamam, MoYo, Akhtar and Razzaq were some of the players in their prime, but Inzamam (except 92) and MoYo as usual failed to deliver in ICC tournaments.

Waqar was a poor captain. A tactical failure, but to say that had the team to topple Australia and a resurgent India, you are badly mistaken.

 

[Markhor]

The reason why I'm particularly critical of Waqar as other than the Ijaz Butt era, his tenure as captain was one of the most depressing eras of Pakistan cricket that I can remember.

He had no tactical nous, would allow games to drift, fail to go for kill when we had initiative, was defensive and unimaginative. From the Tangiers tri-series, the Nairobi tri-series where even Kenya were pushing us hard, the absolute debacle that was the home series vs Australia, being bashed like minnows away to South Africa before a horror show at the World Cup. We saw similar ineptitude during his first tenure as coach and its no different now.

Yes the players have terrible attitudes and there's really only one world class player at our disposal in Amir, but coach has made so many tactical and selection blunders that its hard to justify him staying on.

 

[Warrior]

Mate the selectors select the players and then Waqar and Afridi both decide on the final eleven together.

Just to get your facts right.

 

[asadee]

Mate the selectors select the players and then Waqar and Afridi both decide on the final eleven together.

Just to get your facts right.

Why didn't they both pressure the board and selectors to pick a specialist spinner...if they had an iota of common sense and long term planning they would have tried their best to get a spinner

 

[Markhor]

Yes coach is not on selection committee but he can still give his input and make suggestions for selectors to consider. Everybody involved in the decision making process that saw not to take a single specialist spinner to India is a sackable offence in itself.

 

[s28]

Waqar just time and time again shows himself up as being unfit to act as Coach.

What happened to his medical condition ? Has his liver cirrosis been cured ?

“I am now living in Sydney with my family and I need to spend more time there,” he said.
“I have enjoyed the challenges of working with the Pakistan team. I am disappointed I won’t be able to continue with them in this transition period.”

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2011/sports/08/21/waqar-younis-quitting-for-medical-reasons/

 

[Cricketrenew]

I think his History is more than sufficient. I am just shocked as to how the PCB could go back to this failure for the 3rd time.

Let's have a look at his colorful history

1) Led the revolt against Wasim Akram's captaincy, an episode which was to haunt our cricket team for such a long time an which wrecked havoc on a side with so many world class players

2) Fined in the Justice Qayyum report and recommended never to be involved in a coaching position or a role in the PCB

3) Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket team's to an absolute disasterous WC in 2003. When he arrived back home he wasted no time in lashing out at Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzamam e.t.c. for conspiring against him and deliberately not giving their 100% in the WC. Read the 2003 WC debacle report where it talks about how Waqar was a deeply unpopular captain and not liked by his team mates at all who found him to be very stubborn, rude and difficult to deal with

4) Resigned from the Pakistani bowling coach duties out of protest from being demoted to the PCB. Inzamam and Woolmer in their feedback to the PCB felt he was not taking his job seriously.

5) Accepted an interim bowling and fielding coach assignment to the tour of Australia in 2010. After the disasterous tour was over, he refused to appear before the PCB inquiry committee to probe into the tour and instead gave a statement that he will only appear before the National Assembly and not before the PCB. Next thing we know Waqar has been appointed coach of the Pakistani Cricket team.

6) In his coaching tenure from 2010 to 2011, he continuously lobbied against the senior players and scapegoated them i.e. Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Yousaf and demanded their ouster from the team. It is on record that he demanded Ahmed Shehzad be dropped from the team after an argument in the dressing room during the West Indies tour where the player sided with his captain Afridi in his tussle with the coach. Shehzad was not to be seen and given a proper chance in the team again until October 2013.

7) In his coaching tenure from 2014 to now. Let me remind the beloved Misbah fans that it is on record that both Waqar Younis and Moin Khan gave feedback to Shehryar Khan after the tour of Sri Lanka in 2014 that Misbah was a misfit for ODI Cricket and recommended that Afridi be appointed captain of the ODI team instead. This is on record and has been confirmed by Syk himself. This is the same Waqar who lobbied for Afridi's captaincy over Misbah, so in effect he cannot, he cannot complain and scapegoat Afridi and his captaincy now.

8) People going on and on about how Afridi is the real problem, how Waqar is just blindly agreeing with everything Afridi is doing, is Afridi also dictating to Waqar Younis as far as the ODI Side is concerned? Last time i checked Azhar Ali was the ODI captain.

9) Players have continously complained against Waqar about his high handed, arrogant, rude approach towards them, his one dimensional over training approach and we have seen for ourselves in the last 2 years he has not contributed any major strategic moves in the team.

10) I thought the press conference after the NZ game where he let his personal feelings about Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal out pretty much sums him up. The guy will do anything to get back at someone he doesn't like. He is a very vindictive fellow. As poor as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal have been, let us not forget that they are constantly under pressure for their own spots in the team, Akmal is already out from the ODI and Test team, Shehzad too is suffering the same fate. The fact of the matter is that we do not have replacements for them. They have to be worked on and given more confidence and backing as oppossed to a coach who lets his feelings known that he doesn't want them in his squad.

I hope the entire world takes note of these things and for the sake of their teams well beings do not consider Waqar ever again for a coaching role. Heck Wasim has been a much more successful coach than Waqar.

Waqar should just stick to commentary and stop fooling people with his british accent and Australian residency about how professional he is. He is not. His history always catches up with him.

Bold bits show he should never have been coach.
Don't forget the spot fixing debacle in England happened under his nose when he was coach, when he spotted nothing.

How can he have been coach so many times.
As a player he was winner most of the time, since then he has ruined his reputation.
Agree with him about Akmal though.

Please no more......

 

[Warrior]

Spot fixing happened under his nose and he spotted nothing?

Did you think Waqar was Sherlock Holmes?

 

[Bouncer]

Can anyone remind me if there was ever a post by Savak/AlphaFighter where he did not criticize those who did not bow to Shoaib Akhter?

 

[LordJames]

Waqar just time and time again shows himself up as being unfit to act as Coach.

What happened to his medical condition ? Has his liver cirrosis been cured ?

“I am now living in Sydney with my family and I need to spend more time there,” he said.
“I have enjoyed the challenges of working with the Pakistan team. I am disappointed I won’t be able to continue with them in this transition period.”

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2011/sports/08/21/waqar-younis-quitting-for-medical-reasons/

You don't understand courtesy and professionalism at all.

Waqar wears his heart on his sleeves and wants to drive his country forwards. Waqar/Flower and Julian team is fantastic and should work with players who are driven, dedicated and willing to improve.

I read the Flower Interview and these players who are hinted should be dispatched into oblivion immediately, its sickeningly despicable to read something like that. I am sure that people know this.

It isn't the Coach, the environment in the dressing room is Toxic.

 

[Warrior]

You don't understand courtesy and professionalism at all.

Waqar wears his heart on his sleeves and wants to drive his country forwards. Waqar/Flower and Julian team is fantastic and should work with players who are driven, dedicated and willing to improve.

I read the Flower Interview and these players who are hinted should be dispatched into oblivion immediately, its sickeningly despicable to read something like that. I am sure that people know this.

It isn't the Coach, the environment in the dressing room is Toxic.

I completely agree James.

Sadly Pakistani's can be a strange race of people. I'm ashamed to say that being a Pakistani myself.

You can throw wisdom and logic at some of them all day long but it will go over their heads. The current state of Pakistani cricket is a direct result of this mentality.

 

[Pete Rose]

The OP has always been remarkably consistent in his tiny world view. Which basically begins and ends with a shoaib Akhtar poster that sits atop his bed, and the notion that (a) waqar is a better pacer than shoaib and (b) Sami was as effortlessly quick if not effective as shoaib means reams repetition of the same half truths every 6 months.
So, to feed op's demons once more:
A - waqar was in his prime a consistently faster bowler than shoaib
B - waqar is hands across all formats a better bowler than Akhtar
C - Sami while rubbish, was effortlessly as quick as shoaib and never had any chucking or doping issues to sustain that pace.

#sorrynotsorry

 

[AlphaFighter]

Can anyone remind me if there was ever a post by Savak/AlphaFighter where he did not criticize those who did not bow to Shoaib Akhter?

The OP has always been remarkably consistent in his tiny world view. Which basically begins and ends with a shoaib Akhtar poster that sits atop his bed, and the notion that (a) waqar is a better pacer than shoaib and (b) Sami was as effortlessly quick if not effective as shoaib means reams repetition of the same half truths every 6 months.
So, to feed op's demons once more:
A - waqar was in his prime a consistently faster bowler than shoaib
B - waqar is hands across all formats a better bowler than Akhtar
C - Sami while rubbish, was effortlessly as quick as shoaib and never had any chucking or doping issues to sustain that pace.

#sorrynotsorry

Very lame attempt to deflect attention away from the OP. Waqar should just go back tot he village he came from.

 

[AlphaFighter]

You don't understand courtesy and professionalism at all.

Waqar wears his heart on his sleeves and wants to drive his country forwards. Waqar/Flower and Julian team is fantastic and should work with players who are driven, dedicated and willing to improve.

I read the Flower Interview and these players who are hinted should be dispatched into oblivion immediately, its sickeningly despicable to read something like that. I am sure that people know this.

It isn't the Coach, the environment in the dressing room is Toxic.

Nah, Waqar's past history speaks for itself. I will take the word of the coaching staff with a pinch of salt, they will naturally scapegoat the players to save their behinds.

 

[Pete Rose]

Very lame attempt to deflect attention away from the OP. Waqar should just go back tot he village he came from.

Touched a nerve it seems.

 

[Justcrazy]

Show them the Green Grass Paisa phenk tamasha dekh!

This is my priority list:
Langer
Kirsten
Deano
Moody

Moody is the best among them.

 

[Pete Rose]

Moody is the best among them.

Why - what are his credentials

 

[Warrior]

Very lame attempt to deflect attention away from the OP. Waqar should just go back tot he village he came from.

Son 70% of all Pakistani players are from villages including Shoaib and a whole lot of Pakistanis including me.

And just for the record Waqar spent most of his childhood years in the UAE and then came back to Pakistan.

 

[PakWC2015]

Let waqar go. No other team will pick him up as head coach. Pakistans limited over problems are clear for all to see.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Son 70% of all Pakistani players are from villages including Shoaib and a whole lot of Pakistanis including me.

And just for the record Waqar spent most of his childhood years in the UAE and then came back to Pakistan.

I dont have anything against players who come from Villages. I just don't like fakeness and people pretending to be what they are not. Don't be fooled by Waqar's Australian Residency, Citizenship and British Accent, the guy is still the same disruptive, egoistic, vindictive individual as he was during his playing days. If he has to destroy someone's career, make a current youngster a sacrifical scapegoat to save his own job, to satisfy his ego, he will do it.

That press conference after the NZ game, the way he sold Umar Akmal, Ahmed Shehzad and threw them under the bus which really exposes what he is like to deal with in private by the players, the way he demoralized the team and said that the team did not deserve to qualify when it still had a small chance, just proves why he should never ever be appointed as a coach of any international team or a domestic team of repute let alone the Pakistani team again.

 

[Cricketrenew]

Spot fixing happened under his nose and he spotted nothing?

Did you think Waqar was Sherlock Holmes?

In that tour Afridi resigned from captaincy and it was also obvious what was going on.
Especially after the Australia tour...........Look at the match were Australia came from miles behind to win.

When Stuart Broad was scoring a 160 and the bowlers were bowling no Yorkers and bouncers.
I gave up spoke to friends and we could all see what was happening. I remember saying I hope the get caught if they are doing something..................Checked the news in the evening......it was breaking news.....
it was so obvious!!! Waqar is player with lost of experience he just needed to open his eyes..........

 

[Cricketrenew]

The OP has always been remarkably consistent in his tiny world view. Which basically begins and ends with a shoaib Akhtar poster that sits atop his bed, and the notion that (a) waqar is a better pacer than shoaib and (b) Sami was as effortlessly quick if not effective as shoaib means reams repetition of the same half truths every 6 months.
So, to feed op's demons once more:
A - waqar was in his prime a consistently faster bowler than shoaib
B - waqar is hands across all formats a better bowler than Akhtar
C - Sami while rubbish, was effortlessly as quick as shoaib and never had any chucking or doping issues to sustain that pace.

#sorrynotsorry

A. False, Shoaib was always quicker.
B. True Waqar at his best was miles better.
C. False, Sami was not in the same league as Shoaib, Chucking were overstated as he was quick him and Brett Lee were singled out for special attention. Doping no one said he was clever.......

 

[Jabo]

He's a disgrace

Just wanted the role and salary and didn't do anything else

Harsh but truth

 

[in_cutter]

Why - what are his credentials

None. Not sure what makes some think that Langer & Moody are genius coaches.

 

[AlphaFighter]

[MENTION=5942]AlphaFighter[/MENTION] has defo got something personal against Misbah & Waqar. The guy is obsessed.

Also regarding Wasim/Waqar tussle...it is well known that Wasim kept Waqar out of the side for a substantial amount of time. Wasim was also named in the Qayyum report. OP is garbage & full of contradictions.

The Waqar fan club is just as bad as the Afridi fan club with double standards.

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[prince77]

I think his History is more than sufficient. I am just shocked as to how the PCB could go back to this failure for the 3rd time.

Let's have a look at his colorful history

1) Led the revolt against Wasim Akram's captaincy, an episode which was to haunt our cricket team for such a long time an which wrecked havoc on a side with so many world class players

2) Fined in the Justice Qayyum report and recommended never to be involved in a coaching position or a role in the PCB

3) Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket team's to an absolute disasterous WC in 2003. When he arrived back home he wasted no time in lashing out at Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzamam e.t.c. for conspiring against him and deliberately not giving their 100% in the WC. Read the 2003 WC debacle report where it talks about how Waqar was a deeply unpopular captain and not liked by his team mates at all who found him to be very stubborn, rude and difficult to deal with

4) Resigned from the Pakistani bowling coach duties out of protest from being demoted to the PCB. Inzamam and Woolmer in their feedback to the PCB felt he was not taking his job seriously.

5) Accepted an interim bowling and fielding coach assignment to the tour of Australia in 2010. After the disasterous tour was over, he refused to appear before the PCB inquiry committee to probe into the tour and instead gave a statement that he will only appear before the National Assembly and not before the PCB. Next thing we know Waqar has been appointed coach of the Pakistani Cricket team.

6) In his coaching tenure from 2010 to 2011, he continuously lobbied against the senior players and scapegoated them i.e. Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Yousaf and demanded their ouster from the team. It is on record that he demanded Ahmed Shehzad be dropped from the team after an argument in the dressing room during the West Indies tour where the player sided with his captain Afridi in his tussle with the coach. Shehzad was not to be seen and given a proper chance in the team again until October 2013.

7) In his coaching tenure from 2014 to now. Let me remind the beloved Misbah fans that it is on record that both Waqar Younis and Moin Khan gave feedback to Shehryar Khan after the tour of Sri Lanka in 2014 that Misbah was a misfit for ODI Cricket and recommended that Afridi be appointed captain of the ODI team instead. This is on record and has been confirmed by Syk himself. This is the same Waqar who lobbied for Afridi's captaincy over Misbah, so in effect he cannot, he cannot complain and scapegoat Afridi and his captaincy now.

8) People going on and on about how Afridi is the real problem, how Waqar is just blindly agreeing with everything Afridi is doing, is Afridi also dictating to Waqar Younis as far as the ODI Side is concerned? Last time i checked Azhar Ali was the ODI captain.

9) Players have continously complained against Waqar about his high handed, arrogant, rude approach towards them, his one dimensional over training approach and we have seen for ourselves in the last 2 years he has not contributed any major strategic moves in the team.

10) I thought the press conference after the NZ game where he let his personal feelings about Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal out pretty much sums him up. The guy will do anything to get back at someone he doesn't like. He is a very vindictive fellow. As poor as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal have been, let us not forget that they are constantly under pressure for their own spots in the team, Akmal is already out from the ODI and Test team, Shehzad too is suffering the same fate. The fact of the matter is that we do not have replacements for them. They have to be worked on and given more confidence and backing as oppossed to a coach who lets his feelings known that he doesn't want them in his squad.

I hope the entire world takes note of these things and for the sake of their teams well beings do not consider Waqar ever again for a coaching role. Heck Wasim has been a much more successful coach than Waqar.

Waqar should just stick to commentary and stop fooling people with his british accent and Australian residency about how professional he is. He is not. His history always catches up with him.

This post was pathetic. You're trying to make him look like the worst thing that ever happened to pakistan cricket. Yes, he made mistakes in his career, but so did each and every player. Half of the stuff you mention isn't even factual, it's just hearsay.

Waqar was definitely not the best coach, but people forget, we don't have a Wasim, Waqar or Inzi waiting in our ranks. He tried to get the best out of this lot, but there were a lot of different factors preventing him from doing so (pcb, selection committee, afridi). To be honest, if he was given a young squad and allowed to have more power, the team would definitely be better and deliver better results. The guys in the current setup are no even willing to improve their fitness, how do you expect them to deliver on the field then.

 

[AlphaFighter]

This post was pathetic. You're trying to make him look like the worst thing that ever happened to pakistan cricket. Yes, he made mistakes in his career, but so did each and every player. Half of the stuff you mention isn't even factual, it's just hearsay.

Waqar was definitely not the best coach, but people forget, we don't have a Wasim, Waqar or Inzi waiting in our ranks. He tried to get the best out of this lot, but there were a lot of different factors preventing him from doing so (pcb, selection committee, afridi). To be honest, if he was given a young squad and allowed to have more power, the team would definitely be better and deliver better results. The guys in the current setup are no even willing to improve their fitness, how do you expect them to deliver on the field then.

Nah, waqar is just not a very inspirational person. When people don't like you and yearn for a more competent individual to take over from you, then you just need to go and let a more competent person take over.

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[prince77]

Look at the people in the current squad who have had issues with him...afridi, shehzad and akmal. All three of them are bums. You don't see any problems in the test team where Misbah is at the helm and none of these goons are present...

 

[AlphaFighter]

Look at the people in the current squad who have had issues with him...afridi, shehzad and akmal. All three of them are bums. You don't see any problems in the test team where Misbah is at the helm and none of these goons are present...

Younis has criticized the coach many times in his interviews.

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[coy0607]

All I really like about Waqar is, his hard-on for fitness standards barring that, everything else is below par.

people say this, but I dont see any results.. most players are as out of shape as ever, the fittest players are the veterans (Younis, Misbah, Afridi)

Waqar has produced no results at all, be it team fitness or actual wins

 

[AlphaFighter]

people say this, but I dont see any results.. most players are as out of shape as ever, the fittest players are the veterans (Younis, Misbah, Afridi)

Waqar has produced no results at all, be it team fitness or actual wins

That is the bottomline. The rubbish that is being sprouted about him being very committed to Pakistan Cricket is just a myth, he is getting a very handsome salary, perks, benefit, travel allowance, vacation time.

 

[Pete Rose]

A. False, Shoaib was always quicker.
B. True Waqar at his best was miles better.
C. False, Sami was not in the same league as Shoaib, Chucking were overstated as he was quick him and Brett Lee were singled out for special attention. Doping no one said he was clever.......

First part not true. A simple 'agree' would suffice on the other two points.

 

[Bilcha01]

This post was pathetic. You're trying to make him look like the worst thing that ever happened to pakistan cricket. Yes, he made mistakes in his career, but so did each and every player. Half of the stuff you mention isn't even factual, it's just hearsay.

Waqar was definitely not the best coach, but people forget, we don't have a Wasim, Waqar or Inzi waiting in our ranks. He tried to get the best out of this lot, but there were a lot of different factors preventing him from doing so (pcb, selection committee, afridi). To be honest, if he was given a young squad and allowed to have more power, the team would definitely be better and deliver better results. The guys in the current setup are no even willing to improve their fitness, how do you expect them to deliver on the field then.

Prince77, let me guess, you must be a huge Malik supporter with all his fitness and dedicated service right? Pshhh................

 

[simon619]

The thread title is the greatest on PP "chargesheet"

Am not a fan of Waqar tbh, in Tests Misbah is specifically responsible for our performances and I don't really think Waqar offers much to the Test or Limited overs teams. We need to move on from him and find a courageous coach which is not afraid to challenge the system and make the necessary changes, it would be preferable if our coach has a brain.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

So what's the final verdict, OP? A lifetime ban coming up for Waqar in the court of PP?

 

[786warrior]

There are some contradictions in the OP in terms of whom he sides with. He doesn't allegedly seem to have one consistent favourite/QUOTE]

that's because he is a master of "swinging" both ways!

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

"Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket"

Yes, fool those with your revisionism whose memory doesn't go back beyond 2010.

That team was strong only one paper.

Wasim, Waqar himself, Saeed, Latif were some of the key players who were past it, while we had an opener like Elahi who was not international standard.

Inzamam, MoYo, Akhtar and Razzaq were some of the players in their prime, but Inzamam (except 92) and MoYo as usual failed to deliver in ICC tournaments.

Waqar was a poor captain. A tactical failure, but to say that had the team to topple Australia and a resurgent India, you are badly mistaken.

If we had a good coach, I mean, even a half decent one, you and I both know that Akmal would be scoring centuries, Shehzad and singles would be second nature, Mohammad Hafeez would be the best AR in the world. It's so obvious Waqar is stopping all of our success.

Such an abundance of talent just oozing out of Pakistan, a monkey could coach it and we would win every series and tourney.

 

[Saj]

So what's the final verdict, OP? A lifetime ban coming up for Waqar in the court of PP?

And his career record completely wiped out

 

[Cricketrenew]

First part not true. A simple 'agree' would suffice on the other two points.

Nope point C was a disagree...also

 

[PennOne]

I think his History is more than sufficient. I am just shocked as to how the PCB could go back to this failure for the 3rd time.

Let's have a look at his colorful history

1) Led the revolt against Wasim Akram's captaincy, an episode which was to haunt our cricket team for such a long time an which wrecked havoc on a side with so many world class players

2) Fined in the Justice Qayyum report and recommended never to be involved in a coaching position or a role in the PCB

3) Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket team's to an absolute disasterous WC in 2003. When he arrived back home he wasted no time in lashing out at Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzamam e.t.c. for conspiring against him and deliberately not giving their 100% in the WC. Read the 2003 WC debacle report where it talks about how Waqar was a deeply unpopular captain and not liked by his team mates at all who found him to be very stubborn, rude and difficult to deal with

4) Resigned from the Pakistani bowling coach duties out of protest from being demoted to the PCB. Inzamam and Woolmer in their feedback to the PCB felt he was not taking his job seriously.

5) Accepted an interim bowling and fielding coach assignment to the tour of Australia in 2010. After the disasterous tour was over, he refused to appear before the PCB inquiry committee to probe into the tour and instead gave a statement that he will only appear before the National Assembly and not before the PCB. Next thing we know Waqar has been appointed coach of the Pakistani Cricket team.

6) In his coaching tenure from 2010 to 2011, he continuously lobbied against the senior players and scapegoated them i.e. Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Yousaf and demanded their ouster from the team. It is on record that he demanded Ahmed Shehzad be dropped from the team after an argument in the dressing room during the West Indies tour where the player sided with his captain Afridi in his tussle with the coach. Shehzad was not to be seen and given a proper chance in the team again until October 2013.

7) In his coaching tenure from 2014 to now. Let me remind the beloved Misbah fans that it is on record that both Waqar Younis and Moin Khan gave feedback to Shehryar Khan after the tour of Sri Lanka in 2014 that Misbah was a misfit for ODI Cricket and recommended that Afridi be appointed captain of the ODI team instead. This is on record and has been confirmed by Syk himself. This is the same Waqar who lobbied for Afridi's captaincy over Misbah, so in effect he cannot, he cannot complain and scapegoat Afridi and his captaincy now.

8) People going on and on about how Afridi is the real problem, how Waqar is just blindly agreeing with everything Afridi is doing, is Afridi also dictating to Waqar Younis as far as the ODI Side is concerned? Last time i checked Azhar Ali was the ODI captain.

9) Players have continously complained against Waqar about his high handed, arrogant, rude approach towards them, his one dimensional over training approach and we have seen for ourselves in the last 2 years he has not contributed any major strategic moves in the team.

10) I thought the press conference after the NZ game where he let his personal feelings about Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal out pretty much sums him up. The guy will do anything to get back at someone he doesn't like. He is a very vindictive fellow. As poor as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal have been, let us not forget that they are constantly under pressure for their own spots in the team, Akmal is already out from the ODI and Test team, Shehzad too is suffering the same fate. The fact of the matter is that we do not have replacements for them. They have to be worked on and given more confidence and backing as oppossed to a coach who lets his feelings known that he doesn't want them in his squad.

I hope the entire world takes note of these things and for the sake of their teams well beings do not consider Waqar ever again for a coaching role. Heck Wasim has been a much more successful coach than Waqar.

Waqar should just stick to commentary and stop fooling people with his british accent and Australian residency about how professional he is. He is not. His history always catches up with him.

Which damned player are you to give this charge sheet. You can question his coaching method but even people who dislike him don't question his commitment to pakistan cricket and the team

Umar akmal and Ahmad Shehzad are the scourge of modern Pakistani cricket, if Waqar said something they deserved it then and they deserve it now

 

[ads101]

Tbh always felt bringing back Waqar was a bad idea especially when Afridi was captain in T20 (and player in general) as the dispute between Waqar and Afridi could well have been one of the reasons why Waqar left in the first place. The pair of them just don't get along well, and I feel couldn't work well together.

 

[mannimans]

Alphafigher, are you sydney based? I'd love to debate this with you in person, that is when you get your lips off shobby's pee pee......

 

[mannimans]

That is the bottomline. The rubbish that is being sprouted about him being very committed to Pakistan Cricket is just a myth, he is getting a very handsome salary, perks, benefit, travel allowance, vacation time.

lol buddy you have absolutely no idea! he was actually getting paid more whilst commentating, he has 3 kids living in sydney of which 2 are in high school and one in junior, his wife is a doctor that works rostered hours at a hospital... trust me, its not the money so dont spread BS rumours and get your head out of the gutter.

I know him personally, before he took the role, i and some other people close to him advised him against it for the simple reason that we didnt want his name tarnished like it's being now. He's response, "i care too much about pakistan cricket, and I can't watch our country go downhill, if i dont help, nobody else really seems to care"

Watch what you say, don't hide behind the screen, have some respect for a legend, someone who will have more cricket talent, sense, and knowledge than what you ever will.. Just remember your place, its behind the screen, probably never talented enough and too fat to play even lower grade cricket! Don't compare your knowledge with a legend

 

[AlphaFighter]

Alphafigher, are you sydney based? I'd love to debate this with you in person, that is when you get your lips off shobby's pee pee...... -

Touched a nerve i see. My OP has nothing to do with Shoaib.

lol buddy you have absolutely no idea! he was actually getting paid more whilst commentating, he has 3 kids living in sydney of which 2 are in high school and one in junior, his wife is a doctor that works rostered hours at a hospital... trust me, its not the money so dont spread BS rumours and get your head out of the gutter.

The facts and figures are available online. Waqar is getting paid between $15,000-20,000 a month in addition to other perks like daily allowances, travel allowances, entertainment allowances e.t.c. He is among the highest earners in a cash strapped board. He has not provided any return on investment to the PCB. He should just return to commentary for a more suitable role.

I know him personally, before he took the role, i and some other people close to him advised him against it for the simple reason that we didnt want his name tarnished like it's being now. He's response, "i care too much about pakistan cricket, and I can't watch our country go downhill, if i dont help, nobody else really seems to care" -

I wish he had listened to you. The position was beyond his capabilities. A person who cares about Pakistan Cricket will

-Not revolt against his captain and spread politics in the team

- Will not hold a grudge over events which happened 12-13-20 years ago and be vindictive against those individuals

- Will not look to scapegoat youngsters just to protect his behind. Will not demoralize his own team and give up even when the team still has a chance to qualify for the semi finals.

- Will not tortourously over train players on the eve of matches leading to niggles, injuries, loss of pace, injuries, lack of energy, motivation and a complete lack of security, enjoyment of the game

- Will not play musical chairs with the squad of 15

Watch what you say, don't hide behind the screen, have some respect for a legend, someone who will have more cricket talent, sense, and knowledge than what you ever will.. Just remember your place, its behind the screen, probably never talented enough and too fat to play even lower grade cricket! Don't compare your knowledge with a legend -

My job is not to play cricket so that is ok. No one doubts Waqar's legendary status as a bowler but the fact that you are bringing his legendary status as a player to defend his coaching record shows your desperation and the fact you are clutching at straws.

 

[mannimans]

That is the bottomline. The rubbish that is being sprouted about him being very committed to Pakistan Cricket is just a myth, he is getting a very handsome salary, perks, benefit, travel allowance, vacation time.

Questioning his authenticity or his dedication towards his country?? Not clutching at straws, proving that you have no idea what you're talking about. Not sure who you're sources are, however you may want to check the authenticity of those also...

- you're reference to what he is paid may be correct, my comment was in reference to what he was being paid in commentary as a comparison and therefore not doing it for the money. what he is being paid by the PCB is in fact the same as what whatmore was being paid.

- The revolt was led by Aqib, Waqar was thrown under the bus and made to be the face of it.

- scapegoating youngsters? how long did you want him to hold shehzad an akmals hand?? lol, you don't know the psychy of these illiterates, they need the danda, they need to be brought back down to earth because its all to easy for them...

i could go on and on about each of your points, i have first hand knowledge, but i just can't be bothered....i just find it offensive that people like you have the audacity to open your mouths with such utter disrespect.

I do admire the fact that you wouldn't want to debate this in person?? i suppose the alpha fighter nickname is just a front?

 

[daytrader]

Ah dude that's some serious hate for the man. He's doing a very decent job! So what if the results aren't immediate... it's not the end of the world that we lost in t20s we all knew it was coming, we were 2 years too late in experimenting. He's giving his best but player power is too strong right now, all the seniors get their way one way or another. We have to crack down on this culture and he is the perfect person to do it.

I commend him for being able to deal with so many difficult personalities in one dressing room and staying neutral. I think if he gets more authority that would be in the best interest of Pakistan Cricket. I have to agree with you though he does seem tactically weak but that could be due to t20 being a format he hasn't played or again, player calling the shots. His intentions and commitment are in the right place and he wants to see Pakistan cricket improve. I'm really impressed by his holistic view on what to do to improve. Maybe if he gets sacked then I hope he doesn't lose heart and considers contending for board chairmanship in the future.

 

[Im Suds]

I think his History is more than sufficient. I am just shocked as to how the PCB could go back to this failure for the 3rd time.

Let's have a look at his colorful history

1) Led the revolt against Wasim Akram's captaincy, an episode which was to haunt our cricket team for such a long time an which wrecked havoc on a side with so many world class players

2) Fined in the Justice Qayyum report and recommended never to be involved in a coaching position or a role in the PCB

3) Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket team's to an absolute disasterous WC in 2003. When he arrived back home he wasted no time in lashing out at Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzamam e.t.c. for conspiring against him and deliberately not giving their 100% in the WC. Read the 2003 WC debacle report where it talks about how Waqar was a deeply unpopular captain and not liked by his team mates at all who found him to be very stubborn, rude and difficult to deal with

4) Resigned from the Pakistani bowling coach duties out of protest from being demoted to the PCB. Inzamam and Woolmer in their feedback to the PCB felt he was not taking his job seriously.

5) Accepted an interim bowling and fielding coach assignment to the tour of Australia in 2010. After the disasterous tour was over, he refused to appear before the PCB inquiry committee to probe into the tour and instead gave a statement that he will only appear before the National Assembly and not before the PCB. Next thing we know Waqar has been appointed coach of the Pakistani Cricket team.

6) In his coaching tenure from 2010 to 2011, he continuously lobbied against the senior players and scapegoated them i.e. Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Yousaf and demanded their ouster from the team. It is on record that he demanded Ahmed Shehzad be dropped from the team after an argument in the dressing room during the West Indies tour where the player sided with his captain Afridi in his tussle with the coach. Shehzad was not to be seen and given a proper chance in the team again until October 2013.

7) In his coaching tenure from 2014 to now. Let me remind the beloved Misbah fans that it is on record that both Waqar Younis and Moin Khan gave feedback to Shehryar Khan after the tour of Sri Lanka in 2014 that Misbah was a misfit for ODI Cricket and recommended that Afridi be appointed captain of the ODI team instead. This is on record and has been confirmed by Syk himself. This is the same Waqar who lobbied for Afridi's captaincy over Misbah, so in effect he cannot, he cannot complain and scapegoat Afridi and his captaincy now.

8) People going on and on about how Afridi is the real problem, how Waqar is just blindly agreeing with everything Afridi is doing, is Afridi also dictating to Waqar Younis as far as the ODI Side is concerned? Last time i checked Azhar Ali was the ODI captain.

9) Players have continously complained against Waqar about his high handed, arrogant, rude approach towards them, his one dimensional over training approach and we have seen for ourselves in the last 2 years he has not contributed any major strategic moves in the team.

10) I thought the press conference after the NZ game where he let his personal feelings about Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal out pretty much sums him up. The guy will do anything to get back at someone he doesn't like. He is a very vindictive fellow. As poor as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal have been, let us not forget that they are constantly under pressure for their own spots in the team, Akmal is already out from the ODI and Test team, Shehzad too is suffering the same fate. The fact of the matter is that we do not have replacements for them. They have to be worked on and given more confidence and backing as oppossed to a coach who lets his feelings known that he doesn't want them in his squad.

I hope the entire world takes note of these things and for the sake of their teams well beings do not consider Waqar ever again for a coaching role. Heck Wasim has been a much more successful coach than Waqar.

Waqar should just stick to commentary and stop fooling people with his british accent and Australian residency about how professional he is. He is not. His history always catches up with him.

Waqar should certainly be replaced as a coach ( although he has a case to stay as test coach) but not for the reasons you have said .
Your posts sums up all that's wrong in our thinking - it's based on all the intrigues but they don't matter squat as long as your winning.
The core reason Waqar needs to be replaced is because our limited over performances have been absolutely awful. And he like others is accountable for this . That's the reason - forgot about the other melodrama - this a Pakistan team it will always have intrigues. Key thing is winning/ performing well

 

[New Yorker]

I think his History is more than sufficient. I am just shocked as to how the PCB could go back to this failure for the 3rd time.

Let's have a look at his colorful history

1) Led the revolt against Wasim Akram's captaincy, an episode which was to haunt our cricket team for such a long time an which wrecked havoc on a side with so many world class players

2) Fined in the Justice Qayyum report and recommended never to be involved in a coaching position or a role in the PCB

3) Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket team's to an absolute disasterous WC in 2003. When he arrived back home he wasted no time in lashing out at Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzamam e.t.c. for conspiring against him and deliberately not giving their 100% in the WC. Read the 2003 WC debacle report where it talks about how Waqar was a deeply unpopular captain and not liked by his team mates at all who found him to be very stubborn, rude and difficult to deal with

4) Resigned from the Pakistani bowling coach duties out of protest from being demoted to the PCB. Inzamam and Woolmer in their feedback to the PCB felt he was not taking his job seriously.

5) Accepted an interim bowling and fielding coach assignment to the tour of Australia in 2010. After the disasterous tour was over, he refused to appear before the PCB inquiry committee to probe into the tour and instead gave a statement that he will only appear before the National Assembly and not before the PCB. Next thing we know Waqar has been appointed coach of the Pakistani Cricket team.

6) In his coaching tenure from 2010 to 2011, he continuously lobbied against the senior players and scapegoated them i.e. Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Yousaf and demanded their ouster from the team. It is on record that he demanded Ahmed Shehzad be dropped from the team after an argument in the dressing room during the West Indies tour where the player sided with his captain Afridi in his tussle with the coach. Shehzad was not to be seen and given a proper chance in the team again until October 2013.

7) In his coaching tenure from 2014 to now. Let me remind the beloved Misbah fans that it is on record that both Waqar Younis and Moin Khan gave feedback to Shehryar Khan after the tour of Sri Lanka in 2014 that Misbah was a misfit for ODI Cricket and recommended that Afridi be appointed captain of the ODI team instead. This is on record and has been confirmed by Syk himself. This is the same Waqar who lobbied for Afridi's captaincy over Misbah, so in effect he cannot, he cannot complain and scapegoat Afridi and his captaincy now.

8) People going on and on about how Afridi is the real problem, how Waqar is just blindly agreeing with everything Afridi is doing, is Afridi also dictating to Waqar Younis as far as the ODI Side is concerned? Last time i checked Azhar Ali was the ODI captain.

9) Players have continously complained against Waqar about his high handed, arrogant, rude approach towards them, his one dimensional over training approach and we have seen for ourselves in the last 2 years he has not contributed any major strategic moves in the team.

10) I thought the press conference after the NZ game where he let his personal feelings about Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal out pretty much sums him up. The guy will do anything to get back at someone he doesn't like. He is a very vindictive fellow. As poor as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal have been, let us not forget that they are constantly under pressure for their own spots in the team, Akmal is already out from the ODI and Test team, Shehzad too is suffering the same fate. The fact of the matter is that we do not have replacements for them. They have to be worked on and given more confidence and backing as oppossed to a coach who lets his feelings known that he doesn't want them in his squad.

I hope the entire world takes note of these things and for the sake of their teams well beings do not consider Waqar ever again for a coaching role. Heck Wasim has been a much more successful coach than Waqar.

Waqar should just stick to commentary and stop fooling people with his british accent and Australian residency about how professional he is. He is not. His history always catches up with him.

This. POTW.

 

[LordJames]

I think his History is more than sufficient. I am just shocked as to how the PCB could go back to this failure for the 3rd time.

Let's have a look at his colorful history

1) Led the revolt against Wasim Akram's captaincy, an episode which was to haunt our cricket team for such a long time an which wrecked havoc on a side with so many world class players

2) Fined in the Justice Qayyum report and recommended never to be involved in a coaching position or a role in the PCB

3) Captained one of the strongest Pakistani Cricket team's to an absolute disasterous WC in 2003. When he arrived back home he wasted no time in lashing out at Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzamam e.t.c. for conspiring against him and deliberately not giving their 100% in the WC. Read the 2003 WC debacle report where it talks about how Waqar was a deeply unpopular captain and not liked by his team mates at all who found him to be very stubborn, rude and difficult to deal with

4) Resigned from the Pakistani bowling coach duties out of protest from being demoted to the PCB. Inzamam and Woolmer in their feedback to the PCB felt he was not taking his job seriously.

5) Accepted an interim bowling and fielding coach assignment to the tour of Australia in 2010. After the disasterous tour was over, he refused to appear before the PCB inquiry committee to probe into the tour and instead gave a statement that he will only appear before the National Assembly and not before the PCB. Next thing we know Waqar has been appointed coach of the Pakistani Cricket team.

6) In his coaching tenure from 2010 to 2011, he continuously lobbied against the senior players and scapegoated them i.e. Akhtar, Afridi, Razzaq, Yousaf and demanded their ouster from the team. It is on record that he demanded Ahmed Shehzad be dropped from the team after an argument in the dressing room during the West Indies tour where the player sided with his captain Afridi in his tussle with the coach. Shehzad was not to be seen and given a proper chance in the team again until October 2013.

7) In his coaching tenure from 2014 to now. Let me remind the beloved Misbah fans that it is on record that both Waqar Younis and Moin Khan gave feedback to Shehryar Khan after the tour of Sri Lanka in 2014 that Misbah was a misfit for ODI Cricket and recommended that Afridi be appointed captain of the ODI team instead. This is on record and has been confirmed by Syk himself. This is the same Waqar who lobbied for Afridi's captaincy over Misbah, so in effect he cannot, he cannot complain and scapegoat Afridi and his captaincy now.

8) People going on and on about how Afridi is the real problem, how Waqar is just blindly agreeing with everything Afridi is doing, is Afridi also dictating to Waqar Younis as far as the ODI Side is concerned? Last time i checked Azhar Ali was the ODI captain.

9) Players have continously complained against Waqar about his high handed, arrogant, rude approach towards them, his one dimensional over training approach and we have seen for ourselves in the last 2 years he has not contributed any major strategic moves in the team.

10) I thought the press conference after the NZ game where he let his personal feelings about Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal out pretty much sums him up. The guy will do anything to get back at someone he doesn't like. He is a very vindictive fellow. As poor as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal have been, let us not forget that they are constantly under pressure for their own spots in the team, Akmal is already out from the ODI and Test team, Shehzad too is suffering the same fate. The fact of the matter is that we do not have replacements for them. They have to be worked on and given more confidence and backing as oppossed to a coach who lets his feelings known that he doesn't want them in his squad.

I hope the entire world takes note of these things and for the sake of their teams well beings do not consider Waqar ever again for a coaching role. Heck Wasim has been a much more successful coach than Waqar.

Waqar should just stick to commentary and stop fooling people with his british accent and Australian residency about how professional he is. He is not. His history always catches up with him.

Full text of Justice Qayyum Report

The Counsel was asked by the Commission as to against which of the players was there any direct evidence of match fixing. The Counsel named Saleem Malik, Wasim Akram and Mushtaq Ahmad. He also stated that in the case of Basit Ali and Waqar Younis, there is some evidence against them, but it is not sufficient to arrive at any final conclusion.

As regards allegation one alone, the receipt of a car, Waqar has denied it. No other evidence has been forthcoming to support Aaqib’s allegation, not from Aaqib nor from Saleem Pervez. Even if one car was received, it was returned. If Waqar had fixed match for the car, he was likely to have retained it.Perhaps the car was just a lure and Waqar returned it. With no evidence forthcoming, one cannot say. Since the allegedly received car was returned, the matter therefore needs not be further investigated.


As regards allegation two alone, fixing the Christchurch match, in light of denials by two of the three players allegedly present, this Commission cannot say that Waqar was involved in fixing the match. Furthermore, it is too great a jump for a person to say conclusively that just by the fact that an offer was made before a player to fix a match, the person who listened in was involved too.

As regards the general allegations, they are generally baseless. No evidence has been proffered to support them. The evidence against Waqar Younis is primarily hearsay (even then mostly from anonymous sources) and unsubstantiated. Possession of a cellular phone has no probative value unless it is alleged to have been used during a match to fix that match. As such they alone are insufficient to hold Waqar Younis guilty to the requisite standard.

However, all the allegations taken together warrant some action against Waqar Younis. Two of Waqar’s own managers and someone reputed to be his friend, Aaqib Javed have alleged wrongdoing against him. These appear sufficient grounds for recommending a censure. Moreover, that Waqar Younus should be kept under observation and investigated.

Further, during proceedings it was felt that Waqar Younus has been reluctant to help this commission and even when prompted was not fully forthcoming. It is therefore recommended that he be fined Rs. 1 lac.

 

[s28]

BOTH Ramiz and Yousuf blame Waqar

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/t20-wo...ar-younis-for-pakistans-decline/1/630735.html

Stinging comments particularly from Ramiz Raja

After Pakistan's failure to make it big in major tournaments in last few years, former captains Ramiz Raja and Mohammad Yousuf have targeted coach Waqar Younis for team's downfall. Pakistan are currently ranked No. 7 in the T20I format, No. 8 in ODIs and No.4 in Tests.

They have suffered series defeats to England and New Zealand before they bowed out of Asia Cup and the World T20 early. Their last T20I series win came against Zimbabwe in September in 2015. In last year's 50-overs World Cup too, they failed to reach the semi-finals.

"The thing is no one is willing to face criticism or resign voluntarily. If the team had been producing good results the situation would have been different. The sad part is that neither have we seen a change in performance nor the mindset. So the time has now come for changes," Ramiz said.

Ramiz said he had played with Waqar and didn't want to hurt him by saying anything more.

"A lot of space and liberty has already been given to stakeholders. Now the time has come for hard decisions," Ramiz said.

The former captain said it was obvious the team's graph had gone down in the last three years and Waqar had failed to bring about improvements.

"If our talent on the bench is not good enough whose fault is it? The skill level of some players is just not improving. I think it is time to rest some players and try out new faces," he added.

"When I was criticised, I resigned and left myself. I think two years are enough for anyone to prove himself and if that does not happen he should leave himself," he said.

'Waqar should work with A team'

Yousuf said it made no sense for Waqar to apologise after two years.

"He is one of our greats and it would be better if he is assigned with the junior team like Rahul Dravid is working with the Indian juniors. I am sure he will produce better results and players," Yousuf opined.

"Radical and hard decisions need to be taken now. Bring honest people who are willing to give time and commitment to their jobs."

'Painful to see Waqar apologising'

"Waqar is one of our greats and it was painful to see him apologising. I don't think anything will change by individuals apologising. A lot of things need to be set right in Pakistan cricket," Akhtar said on Geo News.

Akhtar said although Waqar had apologised but each and every person in the team and the PCB was responsible for the decline.

"The target and ambition of our players are very small now and they don't have the talent or achievements to even think about forming groupings in the team," he said.

 

[Sami92]

people say this, but I dont see any results.. most players are as out of shape as ever, the fittest players are the veterans (Younis, Misbah, Afridi)

Waqar has produced no results at all, be it team fitness or actual wins

The fittest players are veterans, this can only happen in Pakistan cricket.

 

[imranyounus]

more of a hate post against Waqar.

All those things can be said about any other pakistani of his era including the great inzamam and saeed.

As far as coaching assignments we all know what was going on there Afridi and many other senior never liked him from the start so he could not have been a success at all.
his biggest fault is he accepted this assignment again after what had happened to him in first tenor, he should not have accepted this assignment till afridis retirement.

 

[s28]

"However, all the allegations taken together warrant some action against Waqar Younis. Two of Waqar’s own managers and someone reputed to be his friend, Aaqib Javed have alleged wrongdoing against him. These appear sufficient grounds for recommending a censure. Moreover, that Waqar Younus should be kept under observation and investigated."

 

[LordJames]

"However, all the allegations taken together warrant some action against Waqar Younis. Two of Waqar’s own managers and someone reputed to be his friend, Aaqib Javed have alleged wrongdoing against him. These appear sufficient grounds for recommending a censure. Moreover, that Waqar Younus should be kept under observation and investigated."

And where does it conclude that he shouldn't be involved with the PCB?

 

[sshakir411]

lmao..didn't read past the part that said "lead revolt against Wasim" clearly this guy has no clue...there's enough on the record interviews from players on the issue. Clear bias from Alpha for some reason.

 

[Savak]

So Afridi has now commented many times he told Waqar about Salman Butt, Asif, Amir, Mazhar Majeed and had even show him transcripts of their messages and chats but Waqar chose to shrug his shoulders and brush it under the carpet.

Just imagine if these three were preempted before hand by the PCB, how different things would be.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So Afridi has now commented many times he told Waqar about Salman Butt, Asif, Amir, Mazhar Majeed and had even show him transcripts of their messages and chats but Waqar chose to shrug his shoulders and brush it under the carpet.

Just imagine if these three were preempted before hand by the PCB, how different things would be.

they were winning games, not to mention the best players in the team, so no one wanted to rock the boat.